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Steve C
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posted February 23, 2008 10:06 AM
Steven Childs
P.O. Box 4102, El Monte CA 91734
www.sdchilds.com
email: steve@sdchilds.com
Since I am no longer allowed to shoot at Triple B's shooting park, I would like to express my frustrations from my last shooting experience anyway.
I was really surprised at the attitude I received for carrying my over under shotgun with the action broken over my shoulder as I held onto the butt stock parallel to the ground. First of all, I was approached by someone I did not know stating she was the owner. Call me crazy, but how many people who occasionally shoot there know who the owner is? This person asked me to turn my firearm around because the barrel was pointing in her face. The only way it would point in her face is if she was three foot tall and stood inches behind me. I told her I would be happy to comply if she would have someone from the staff speak to me. I guess that was out of line. If you just keep yelling at someone telling them you are the owner that should suffice. She then told me the rules on the test I took stated what I was doing was wrong. When we went into the pro shop, she showed me the test, I saw exactly what I expected. All firearms should be pointed in a safe direction with the barrel pointed toward the ground. What a surprise! When I kept trying to reason with this person, she said the reason why I would not listen to her was because she was a woman. She could not be further from the truth. Maybe jumping to that conclusion demonstrates her prejudices.
I will share my negative experience with all my friends, family or anyone who just has a few minutes to spare. It may not really matter anyway. When you are told twice "our game, our rules." What else should I expect? I guess since San Gabriel Vally Gun Club is no longer around, it gives Triple B's the right to treat people like this.
I will now happily go out of my way to shoot anywhere but at Triple B's.
Triple B Clays
831 N. Rosemead Blvd, South El Monte Ca 91733
(626) 579-5201
Owners: Bruce Barsotti (bdbarsotti@aol.com),
Billie Barsotti (billieb500@aol.com)and
Blake Barsotti
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Leonard
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posted February 23, 2008 10:19 AM
I didn't know Fish Canyon (San Gabriel Gun Club)had closed? That is a total bitch. Makes me angry.
I also didn't know that El Monte International is now called Triple B's?
Since joining West End Gun Club, I hardly ever venture in any other direction. No wonder they want to cap the membership, and raised the dues?
Good hunting. LB
edit: however, if the rule states that all guns should be pointed down range, there is no room for misunderstanding, aside from the fact that some hysterical females need guidance in tactfully handling situations.
[ February 23, 2008, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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Steve C
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posted February 23, 2008 10:53 AM
Triple B's went from El Monte International to Pachmayer then to Triple B's.
There were a bunch of back and forths regarding why San Gabriel Canyon Gun Club (Fish Canyon)closed. In the end it really boiled down to the city of Azusa re zoning the park to fit it's agenda.
I don't know what's worse. Liberals who blatantly attack our shooting sports or the gun owning liberals who support shooting sports but not hunting and land use.
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Cdog911
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posted February 23, 2008 05:17 PM
Geez, I belong to two different shooting clubs here and we don't have any of those problems.
One is called "Joe's pasture northeast of town", and the other is called "Jones' river bend shooting toward the levee for backing". and we only have two rules... don't shoot any of Joe's horses, and don't hit any houses. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) Other than that, bring your own targets, ammo and something to use for a bench, and it's all good.
My neighbor, the Army guy, came over one day and asked me if I knew of any "gun clubs" in the area. I just started laughing. Told him of the above two places, along with about four hundred more I can use at my leisure by just pulling off the road and parking in the driveway. The landowners don't care. I told him to bring the silhouettes and I'll provide the plywood to staple them to. Beyond that, the rest isn't worth the hassle.
Must be a California thing. ![[Wink]](wink.gif) (God bless Kansas!)
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Steve C
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posted February 23, 2008 05:45 PM
I recently received an email from the owner blasting me. He posted his phone number at the bottom. I then decided to call him to hash things out. It was a misunderstanding on both parts. His wife had recently dealt with a long time patron who had an accidental discharge. I apologized for getting hot under the collar. We have since kissed and made up.
I will still continue to carry my shotgun over my shoulder broken w/ bbl at the rear. Except at Triple B's
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posted February 23, 2008 05:59 PM
My neighbor, the Army guy
That struck me as hilarious, for some reason.
Yeah, what's a gun Club? Do you get together and talk about guns? Anything like the Chess Club or more like Players Club? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Leonard
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posted February 23, 2008 06:38 PM
Gentlemen, I excuse your ignorance. There are over 35 million in California and probably twenty million in southern California. Real Estate is at a premium, plus we have all of your liberals and queers that love the weather here.
To legally plink tin cans, I have to drive 75 miles past Barstow, or join a gun club.
The growth that enveloped the dairy industry here, and then happily voted the dairies out of town did the same thing to perhaps the oldest (public welcome) gun club in southern California. That would be the San Gabriel Gun Club in fish canyon. they built a few houses in the canyon and right away, some a$$holes started fretting about a stray bullet, and the noise. This noise was always there, but now they bought a house so it doesn't matter if they complain about the stink of cowshit or stray bullets, there are enough anti's on the city council to rezone you or I with eminent domain, or any other means at their disposal.
So, you guys sit back and laugh at us. It will be a good twenty years until you feel the same pressure, and by then there won't be any shooters in any metropolitan area and they won't give a shit about your problems because you didn't give a shit about ours.
See how that works?
Good hunting. LB
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posted February 23, 2008 07:28 PM
It's definitely not a California thing, it's very much the same up here in North New California.
My brother and I were clear up near the Pacific Crest, and had a Sheriff make us stop shooting... he was on his way to let someone out of a gate they'd trespassed behind and gotten locked in, so he had bigger fish to fry, but he clearly informed us we could have been cited "if he had more time".
Leonard, (or other So Cal'ians),
What's (is/was) the gun range that's right next to the highway, on the way out to Owens Valley?
I sure miss wintering down that-a-way, sometimes.
Someone ought to send me a care package, I need some turkey jerky and a Shepard's pie, to cure my home away from home sickness.
P.S. A good place to shoot, in the woods, around here, is one with no cell phone coverage.
Krusty 
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Leonard
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posted February 23, 2008 11:48 PM
Beats me? Unless you mean just past Adelanto, on 395? I don't know the name, never used it, never even stopped? The Apple Valley Gun Club is up against the rocks, right off I-15, although you need to know it's there. Nobody is going to drive past and say; "look, a gun range!"
Good hunting. LB
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posted February 24, 2008 04:14 AM
We've grown to look at this country as one big toilet bowl where everything starts swirling around the outside, moving its way toward the center. We may be last to have to deal with some of the good stuff that starts out as "trendy" on one coast or the other, but at least when some of the not-good stuff happens there, we have some time to develop contingencies against it.
We've already had some of that happen here when a small contingent of city folk turned quasi-hayseed went to the County Commission and tried to get a resolution banning shooting within 300 feet of a traveled roadway. The Commission agreed, but only after adding "without the property owner's permission" to the language, which didn't really affect anyone that acted lawfully to begin with.
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posted February 24, 2008 08:31 AM
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plus we have all of your liberals and queers that love the weather here.
Thank God!!!!!
Although it`s not just the weather, sometimes we tie them to a fence post & whip them, that seems to keep a few of them scared of the heartland.
I am co-owner of a gun club, I designed it & built it, we have targets at 100, 200 & 300yds, this summer we`re going to add a moving coyote target at the 150 yd mark, ya`ll are welcome to use it if you get tired of your uppity clubs on the left coast.
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posted February 24, 2008 09:11 AM
Hell, I got ya all beat. My permanent steel table bench is about 20 yards from my back door. I have targets to 500 yards now. The only complaints I get is from the wife and kids if I decide to shoot at daylight to beat the wind. I also have an archery range and a couple clay throwers. Well, an archery target anyway. Don't know if that classifies as a "range". The only other problem is if there are antelope standing in the way, and occasionally there are. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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posted February 24, 2008 09:19 AM
FWIW, an O/U carried over the shoulder with the barrel pointing to the rear can be a bit of an eye opener at a casual glance. I've even seen guys standing around BS'ing whack somebody with their barrel when they turn around. Even better is theh metallic "clinck" you hear when two or more bump barrels.
I'll side with the lady on this one. Carry it draped over an arm or with the butt stock to the rear.
LB, you are quite welcome to keep our lib's and fags, never underestimate how grateful we are....
I really never thought I'd ever belong to a "range" but have to admit being a member of three now.
One is a skeet and trap range, no rifles. Located right on the highway, a complete skeet range and 5 trap houses.
The second is actually a boat club located on the city riverfront. I shoot in a nighttime trap league while standing on a balcony over the Mississippi. Toughest trap shooting known to man. Most of the really good registered shooters stay away because it can be so humiliating.
The third (I've let my membership lapse) is the PASA range where the Master's is held, sometimes the some of the other big league pistol competitions, etc.... Up to 600 yard ranges, plenty of action pistol, etc...
You guys would cry if I told you how little an annual membership cost. I have never been there on a week day and had to share the place. The same is true most weekends.
The best one, however, is free(kinda). That would be Smokin' Joe's Backyard Range and Grill. If it ain't too muddy you can shoot up to 700 yards. 170 under any conditions.
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posted February 24, 2008 11:20 AM
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I'll have to remember that one Lance. Those are the same guys with 6 cows and a $40,000 pickup equiped with cube feeder and haystinger arent they?
Cal, I'm with you. I open the backdoor to the shop, and shoot from the table. If I rest my Qbeam on a sand bag next to me, I can shoot at night. This is good for trying new loads, because the wind has usually died down. No problems with antelope though. But have seen the occasional armadillo.......need a new wallet LOL.
Maintain,Geordie
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Leonard
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posted February 24, 2008 11:49 AM
Yeah, I'll have to remember that one, too. I just can't decide if I want to be a quasiOkie hayseed, or a quasi southwest wannabe. Sure, I could shoot out the back door, too. But, it ain't worth it.
mAINTAIN THEM cAPLOCKS, LB
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posted February 24, 2008 02:03 PM
Hey! Hey, Hey! You can blame all you want for bootin' the twinks out to you but don't you dare blame us for those pinko liberals!
That's dirty pool...
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Steve C
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posted February 24, 2008 02:29 PM
When I'm shooting trap or skeet, I keep my O/U broken cradled over forearm unloaded. When I walk from the shooting area to my vehicle, it's over my shoulder broken, bbl at rear. When I go to the pro shop or concession stand, my firearm is closed and placed in the racks provided.
Is carrying your shotgun over your shoulder broken wrong or unsafe? Or is this a matter of preference?
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posted February 24, 2008 02:35 PM
Yeah, right! Ninty percent of the Hollyweird crowd is originally from Michigan and you know it! We need that fence, checkpoint, something? A visa? I'm selling to the first illegal with five hundred bucks and moving back to Kansas. I love a challenge.
Good hunting. LB
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Leonard
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posted February 24, 2008 02:47 PM
Steve, the point is, everybody does the same, and quite frankly, most ranges around here, with which I am acquainted, they just say point the barrel downrange. or in the air, and don't care if you have a break open or what? I can imagine a situation where a broke open shotgun slung over somebody's shoulder, at a glance you cannot tell if it is broke, from behind, at certain angles or not?
I understand the safety, but then the next guy is going to also want an exception for having his bolt open, or who knows what? Maybe he sticks a shell sideways in the action of an auto. Same problem, you can't always see the safety employed.
I don't see what's so hard about it? It's their rules. If I don't allow shoes in my house, do you think you should argue that YOUR SHOES are clean, and you just bought them? I think they are entitled to have THEIR rules, which are not open for debate.
Good hunting. LB
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posted February 24, 2008 03:19 PM
I'm totally cool with their rule. It's the way it went down that pissed me off. I've since spoken with the owner and we both talked about hanging out and chatting next time I come down to the range.
I really don't have any shotgun buddies to ask the question. I've shot all over the place and never had this kind of reaction.
As far as the at first glance, you can't tell. I don't really buy that. This is a break action. Not an auto or bolt action. I would be happier if I was told it was a preference. When I'm told it's a safety thing, it comes off as a bunch of BS. When it's done that way I feel like it's another thing that's being taken away from me.
I'm sure most of the guys on this bulletin board have been hunting longer than I've been wearing pants. Ask them if they thought things would change the way they have.
Maybe I'm just being immature and don't like being told what to do. Just don't tell me I'm being unsafe.
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posted February 24, 2008 03:21 PM
Cripes Cal, Twenty yards? That must suck!
My bench is less than 20' from the reloading press, on the back deck!
And my range goes to 1,000 yards. I don't have to worry about the antelope, but I did find a migrant asleep against the 500 yard target backer when I went to hang the target one morning.
My one son really whines when I shoot early, just because I start at dawn, and shoot about 30' from his bed!
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Steve C
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posted February 24, 2008 03:26 PM
BTW Leonard. It had nothing to do with not agreeing with their rules. Again, I was going by their rules. Their rules were action open with barrel pointed in a safe direction toward ground. This was on the test and posted in their pro shop.
I had a strange person who I did not know that was not wearing a uniform and was not standing behind a counter give me a bunch of crap. I asked several times to speak with someone from the staff and was refused. Yes, it ended up being silly. How would anyone else react?
What I posted earlier about it being a preference or not was an honest question. I would really like to know if what I was doing was unsafe or not. If most people carry by the bbl, I would like to know. Even if everyone agrees with me (not likely), I do plan on following their rules.
I thought it would be a good idea to get others opinions. That is why we have this bulletin board, isn't it?
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Leonard
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posted February 24, 2008 03:28 PM
Well, I am not saying that you are unsafe. It sounds like you are safe, to me? And, you have a point about the way she approaches you, it is confrontational and embarassing. Bottom line, you are going to lose, Amigo.
Also, I don't agree with you on the visual aspect. I can see where a gun slung over a shoulder, dep-ending on how it's held and maybe if the guy is slightly turned or bending forward, you can't tell right away. If you can't see that, you are way more talented than I. They have a rule, you lose. You got nothing, except hurt feelings.
Good hunting. LB
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posted February 24, 2008 03:30 PM
"I'm selling to the first illegal with five hundred bucks and moving back to Kansas."
If you're talking about yourself, you're always welcome. If you're talking about the illegal, you're too late. We have a liberal Governor who was one of the first to offer illegals' kids in-state tuition and driver's licenses. Recently, she forced the state Health people to deny building permits for two coal-powered power plants, even though we have several in the same area already. In fact, we hunted within a mile of the biggest one out there this fall and you couldn't even tell the switch was on in the place, but I was told it was running full tilt.
Some have said it's a matter of the state's safety and clean air. Personally, I think it's a power play by the Queen of Kansas to show how green she is because rumor has it that she's on the short list for Barack's running mate.
If we have to give her up to share her with the rest of you folks, we'll take one for the team. Her name is Sebelius. Hold on to your boxers if she's picked! She's put Kansas in the bottom five states where anyone would want to start a business.
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posted February 24, 2008 04:12 PM
Dammit Tim, I'll have to move mine now!
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