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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on January 31, 2008, 07:38 PM:
 
The Xtreme Predator Callers is proud to host the First Annual Barry Fifer Memorial Hunt which will be held on Thursday 27th, 28th and 29th of March, 2008. The contest will run 1 ¾ days during daylight hours only, with no night hunting. Teams will consist of two person’s per team with an entry fee of $100.00 per team. Entry Fees are non refundable. After registration has been received, check-in locations will be sent by mail, to all entrants. Hand calls and electronic calls may be utilized only. NO DOGS OR LIVE DECOYS WILL BE ALLOWED AND WILL RESULT IN DISQUALIFICATION.

The contest will be a jack-pot hunt with 50% of the fees going to prize money after operation costs. The first through fifth Places will be paid. Due to the extreme amount of interest, this hunt will be limited to the first one hundred (100) teams to register. Pre-registration and Entry Fees are due by check or money order only and must be received or postmarked no later than 15 March, 2008. Entry fees by cash or credit card will not be accepted. Hunting areas will be confined to as far as you can drive in Arizona and get back on time. It will be the responsibility of the participants, both resident and non-resident to acquire proper Arizona Hunting Licenses. If you have questions regarding, contact the Arizona Game and Fish Department regarding. Licenses may be purchased at AZGFD or a local sporting goods store, i.e. Wal-Mart. AZGFD may be contacted personally, or by the internet at http://www.azgfd.gov/eservices/licenses.shtml. Licenses are no longer available over the telephone.


FOR MORE INFORMATION OR CONCERNS CALL KELLY LEWIS


AT 623-694-8752
 

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on January 31, 2008, 09:42 PM:
 
Why didn't they have a hunt like this 30 years ago?
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 01, 2008, 05:01 AM:
 
Rich,

Any chance that they may have the check in point somewhere other than Phoenix? ( Preferably South )
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on February 01, 2008, 06:38 AM:
 
Tim, the check in is going to be near Holbrook, on private property for security reasons.
Barry Fifer, who was one of the sweetest, nicest, most decent men I have known, died on an Extreme Predator Callers monthly hunt in October. Kelly Lewis and the club wish to celebrate Barry's memory with an annual contest hunt. Proceeds remaining after expenses and payout will be donated to a childrens charity.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 01, 2008, 03:23 PM:
 
I'd be intersted in knowing how many people that land in the money turn around and donate all or part of it to the same chairty in his name as well. Sounds like quite an event.
 

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Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on February 02, 2008, 04:34 AM:
 
Rich H, is this contest the end of March conflict with calling and killing during the denning season? I was not aware any of the contests were normally held in this time frame as coyotes here would just be having pups.Seems a little contrary to your stated beliefs.

[ February 02, 2008, 04:35 AM: Message edited by: 6mm284 ]
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 02, 2008, 05:05 AM:
 
6mm284,

Rich didn't say that he was going to hunt, or even be there. He was just announcing a charity hunt.

Some fellows limit their hunting to State imposed seasons, others to their own imposed seasons, and yet others hunt year round.

Personal ethics and morality should be just that, Personal. No Man, State or Church should ever tell you how you must live your life, as long as what you do doesn't have a negative impact on another person.

While there is nothing wrong with anyone stating their own personal ethics, I have never known Rich to demand that another person bow to his.

It's a charity hunt. If you feel like participating, show up and hunt. If it goes against your grain, then stay home. Either way, I bet that they would still take a charitable donation from you, and the kids that benifited from your donation, would be thankful just the same.
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on February 02, 2008, 08:41 AM:
 
Tim, thank you for that my friend. I wish I were as diplomatic as you.
The board of directors of XPC just approved the contest at their last meeting. To allow the most time possible between the announcement and the contest they decided on the end of March, which is the close of fur season in Az. That is the close of bobcat and fox season and the date that the trappers on the Navajo Rez and the trappers in northern Az. pull their traps. The fur turned in at the check will be utilized.
Coyotes normally whelp around April 15 in Az. Younger females whelp as late as May 15.
In Oct. Gary Clevenger, Tyler and I took a coyote on a contest hunt that still had milk teeth. Tyler thought it was a kit fox. It was obviously whelped in Aug. Controversy can be found regardless of the month.
On one level my personal hope is that the contest will be held a month or two earlier next year.
On an another level I hope that the contest this year is a huge success.
 

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Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on February 02, 2008, 11:16 AM:
 
Thanks Rich, I am sorry Tim felt a need to defend you , it was not necessary. Your post perfectly confirmed what I believed was your position on the hunt timing.Nothing to be read between the lines of my original post to you. Very flat straight forward question directed to you and answered by you to my total satisfaction. I did not need a lecture on my personal ethics or my charitable inclinations and did not appreciate such. I don't consider this as sensitive a topic as obviously some do. Merely confirming my position is the same as yours. thanks

[ February 02, 2008, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: 6mm284 ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 02, 2008, 11:50 AM:
 
I have given up on these ethical considerations. If we were ever to agree on the month to cease hunting coyotes, eventually the particular week, of that month would be questioned. Conformity and consensus work better on some subjects than others.

Should we start hunting in July, August, September, October or November? I'm sure every one of those months would get a few votes?

Also, I don't care when Higgins starts hunting, or when he stops, to be honest. I don't generally hunt the denning season either, but if I did, on those rare occasions, I would not feel the need to justify my actions.

But, if a person seeks comfort in spin, look for a label like "Antelope Eaters Hunt".

Good hunting. LB

(you're still my hero, Rich)
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 02, 2008, 12:17 PM:
 
If I misunderstood the intentions of your original post, I apologize. I've always done much better understanding voice inflections and body language than the written word.
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on February 02, 2008, 01:22 PM:
 
6mm284, I didn't feel attacked by you. Your question was polite and honest and I hope you believe my answer was as well.
Tim, I know you are always polite and honest-- well, honest anyway. I absolutely appreciate and value you for that.
Leonard, Leonard, what a sorry state of affairs we have descended to when I read this

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from you. tsk, tsk.
FWIW, the people who promote the "Save a Fawn" hunts and the ones that promote the "Antelope Eaters" hunts are sincere in their belief that the reduced antelope and deer populations are due primarily to coyote predation. They are not putting a PC spin on the name. Interestingly, AZG&F agree with them and the possibility of seasonal protection for the coyote in AZ. is remote.
 

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Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on February 02, 2008, 02:52 PM:
 
It is as hard to post one's true intent in words without inflection and body language to put them in context as it is for the receiver to understand that intent. I have become so aware of this on bbs. It is no wonder wars have started over words.I often do not even offer any reponses because of this very tendency of misinterpretation. Therefore I try to hold myself to the rule of never posting anything that could possibly be construed as having an agenda or responding to any subject where I have .
I did try to word my original question of Rich carefully enough as to get only what I was intrested in knowing. Unfortunately I am not always successful,but that's ok . This stuff is just entertainment( I think) . Thanks Rich, Tim
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 02, 2008, 02:54 PM:
 
well, I'm not trashing the name of the hunt, Rich. I'm just saying there are various justifications for doing something.

I have no problem in people doing what they want to do and not having to feel guilty about it. This "wet bitch" complaint that we hear so often is always a possibility during denning, but it also might be overstated. There are young, unbred coyotes, plenty males, barren females, etc.

So, it is not a foregone conclusion that if you call coyotes during the denning season, you are apt to kill a nursing female. Even then, a dead mother coyote; does it mean, as sure that night follows day, that pups will starve? There could be a few volunteers that could help....I don't know? But if a guy wants to hunt coyotes during denning, I'm sure not going to call him names. I just don't hunt the off season; normally. But, it has happened. So what?

I have all kinds of respect for the coyote, and a certain amount of sympathy, but we won't put a dent in the population by shooting an occasional female during denning season; if a man wants to do it, for his own reasons.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on February 02, 2008, 03:02 PM:
 
I also do not think there are any character,ethics or nobility issues attached to when others hunt coyotes.I can have those issues attached to when I myself hunt coyotes.
It is kind of like why some guys date ugly women. I don't understand it ,but I sure as heck am glad I don't choose to do it.
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on February 02, 2008, 06:42 PM:
 

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a dead mother coyote; does it mean, as sure that night follows day, that pups will starve? There could be a few volunteers that could help

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Whoa Tom!!!!!! Now you are my hero!!!
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on February 02, 2008, 09:15 PM:
 
I'm not a degreed biologist, but ..... I really doubt that a denning alpha female (with 6 pups of her own) is going to receive telepathic communication, venture across the road into neighboring turf, and nurse another alpha pairs pups because "it's the humane thing to do". Animals don't have "compassion". That characteristic is reserved for humans.

In real life, Leonard, the widowed male will abandon the litter, the den, and eventually his domain. He will no longer have a reason to defend his "territory", and will become just another transient. Neighboring alpha pairs will expand their territory and incorporate his old turf.

There's always an outside chance he'll hook up with a female transient and try to start all over again. But the odds are not guaranteed to be in his favor. The majority of the time, he's screwed for the season and will get run off, since he's a loner now.

That's the real story without the Disneyesque emotion. Life's a bitch, when you're a coyote.
 

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on February 02, 2008, 09:45 PM:
 
NASA, as you and I and the rest of us know, life can be a bitch when your a human too.
Rich, when I first posted I had no idea what this hunt is all about, sorry. Great idea and I wish the hunt the best.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 02, 2008, 10:03 PM:
 
Telepathic, eh?

Well, no surprise, I don't agree with you.

I think at a certain age, the male and any siblings from the previous year can and will continue to regurgitate food for the pups. Okay, if they can't survive without milk, if they are too young for solid food, maybe they are a gonner?

But, seems to me I have read of documented, (or perhaps a few undocumented) cases of 10-11 pups in dens and the conventional wisdom is that it's a combined litter and that one bitch probably did not welp that many pups? So, for the sake of argument, where did she get them? Is it also possible that a female that lost her pups might hear whines from over yonder? Yeah, that's a stretch; but I can't say it never happened. And, neither can you.

Also, there are many cases of dogs nursing kittens and cats nursing puppies and dogs nursing tiger kittens in a zoo, and on and on. The mother instinct is a factor, as far as I'm concerned....so what this says to me is that it is not a slam dunk that the pups will die if momma gets hit by a train.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on February 02, 2008, 11:22 PM:
 
I agree that it's a stretch of the imagination to compare passive, domestic dogs nursing kittens, with coyotes. In that respect, we DO agree.

BTW, don't presume that all denning pairs retain "siblings" from the previous litter. They can, but it's a non-standard occurrence.

I think it would be safe to say that if you killed 5 "wet bitches" from the middle of march to the middle of April, you have effectively killed 5 litters totalling approximately 30 coyote pups. There's no way in hell 5 volunteers are going to come running down the hill offering wet tits. Besides, those pups are dead in less than 60 hours if they aren't nursed and prompted to defecate every 2 hours. (Ask me how I know that.)

That's considered being efficient for an ADC hunter working a problem area. But when it's done by a recreational hunter, in a non-problem area, it's called "killing the goose that lays the golden egg".

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 03, 2008, 12:06 AM:
 
Why would I presume every denning pair retains "siblings"?

So, if you narrow the argument to the middle of March to the middle of April? I have already alluded to that possibility, here:

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Okay, if they can't survive without milk, if they are too young for solid food, maybe they are a gonner?

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This "wet bitch" complaint that we hear so often is always a possibility during denning, but it also might be overstated. There are young, unbred coyotes, plenty males, barren females, etc.

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I think you are overstating, and since by your own admission, you aren't a degreed biologist, I'm willing to allow you your opinion on the subject and I am entitled to mine, which makes it a Mexican standoff.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on February 03, 2008, 07:30 AM:
 
The summertime fun begins in February....

I wish you had the little popcorn eatin icon LB.

 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on February 03, 2008, 08:09 AM:
 
Thats the beauty of this board; we don't need no stinkin' popcorn icons. We always have some differing opinions, but thankfully lack the sideline guys who love jumping in with a particular dogma and calling him a dickhead for hunting in the spring or shooting the big boomers on predators.
We KNOW they are dickheads.....we just don't tell them so:)
The glaring question in my mind, when it comes to hunting during the dennning season, is why?, christ, we have a good five months to predator hunt, longer than even dare I say, quail season.....how much more time does a guy need to hunt coyotes, without bordering on being a glutton?
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on February 03, 2008, 08:11 AM:
 
You're right Andy. I'm spittin' the bait out. I quit.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 03, 2008, 09:17 AM:
 
You're right, Vic. How much is too much? I've put in enough time calling this season already that I really just wanna stay home with a hot cup of coffee and watch TV and surf the web as the sun rises these day. (I've never been one to "sleep in".) I have three or four nuisance complaints to work over and almost don't want to deal with them. Almost.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 03, 2008, 10:41 AM:
 
...a wise decision, Tom.

Good hunting. LB Floodlight
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on February 03, 2008, 12:57 PM:
 
I agree Vic, but once in a while callin a dickhead a dickhead is kinda fun.... But its more fun to yank someones chain that you know will come out swingin at air.

Lance, I wish I had your problem with being tired of hunting. Ive gotten myself in kind of a pickle with work. Business is good, but it kinda backfired on me. Instead of more time to hunt, I basically have to just leave here and go somewhere to get to hunt. Otherwise if everyone knows Im around, they wont leave me alone. Ask Jason, he came down to deer hunt and not only did my phone ring alot, I got one of my agents mad as hell at me because I shut my phone off for a day.

I get jealous seeing everyone posting coyote pics. I think Ill start posting pics of fugitives chained up in the backseat of my truck.
 

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Posted by Lungbuster (Member # 630) on February 03, 2008, 02:38 PM:
 
Nasa,
I have a question about the "prompt to defecate every 2 hours" comment. Does that mean pups cant be left alone for longer than 2 hours? Untill they are how old? And how are they prompted?
Thanks.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 03, 2008, 03:30 PM:
 
Momma licks their butt.
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 03, 2008, 03:47 PM:
 
Lungbuster,

Now aren't you glad that you aren't a surrogate Mother?
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on February 03, 2008, 07:42 PM:
 
It's true, they can't pee or poop on their own until they're about 2 weeks old. Mom has to lick them after feeding to stimulate them, or they develop colic. After 10 hours of not being attended they can develop peritonitis, systemic hypotension, then kidney failure and death. They must be nursed every 2 hours until they can eat solid food, which is at about 4-5 weeks of age. If a litter loses mom before the pups are at least a month old, they're dead. Even then, their chances of survival are only about 40% without her.
 

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Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on February 04, 2008, 05:13 AM:
 
If you expand this even further, then shooting pregnant females causes the loss of the whole litter.So therefore for those concerned about litter survival for later hunting would they not quit hunting even sooner.If one is concerned about numbers then he would have to consider the pregnant female also if he was considering the wet bitch .Here that may be as early as late January at times. Makes for a pretty short season for us in midwest.
Eventually this argument could come around to shooting males only.I know old timers here that would try to identify and not shoot female fox at any time.Hunting here is pretty much determined by crop season and the workload associated with it.Only an opinion, I have no problem with when anyone hunts.

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on February 04, 2008, 05:37 AM:
 

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Deer season makes it a short season for me. People are so fanatical about deer anymore, you cant get in most private ground until deer season closes. Archery is open from Sept to mid Jan. All the rifle and blackpowder seasons run from late Oct to Mid Dec.

I dont like to start until Oct, normally. I have hunted earier on occaision and probably will again. I wont hunt after March due to the argument above. Kinda kills it around here the last few years.
 

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Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on February 04, 2008, 06:30 AM:
 
You've got that right, Andy. Anymore, you just about have to abandon coyote hunting from mid-October to mid-December. I used to be able to ping-pong back and forth across the river between Mo. and IL. to play the seasons but even that doesn't work any more.
Loose a weekend for youth gun season (a good thing), loose two weeks for regular gun season, loose another one or two for black powder, then another for antlerless only....

You get the idea.

I'm so sick of deer season and how completely f'ing stupid people get over it that I can't see straight!

Count me in to the winter coyote hunting crowd, though I really do not care what anybody else does. I'm not one of those "we're all entitled to our own opinion" sorts - you're entitled to be wrong, stupid, cute, rich, honest, or poor, too. I just honestly don't care.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 04, 2008, 04:28 PM:
 
I wondered when this aspect of the off season coyote hunter would come up, and glad to see that it did. I was once a degree-holding biologist, unlike Tom, but now I just have the degree (FWIW).

Anyway, there was a time when I all but slowed things down once breeding season got into full swing. I'd come to terms with the concept of compensatory natality where studies had demonstrated that whether or not a female coyote would be bred depended upon a whole slew of density-dependent factors. Long story less long, populations like coyotes typically only see the number of female offspring from female individuals being counted in the breeding population. Polygamous species are even moreso. In a low density population, the goal of the species is to fill the void, therefore, first year (younger) females come into estrus and are bred. They typically have larger litters and a disproportionately higher number of offspring are female.

In high density populations, first breeding occurs at a later age, litter size is smaller, and more of the litter are male.

How these parameters play out is determined shortly after conception, not at whelping. How this season's leftovers survivors serve to replace those taken is established already, not 63 days from now. Therefore, if you are seriously and sincerely concerned about the impact you're having on coyote numbers, you should have ceased all killing activity several weeks ago.

But, like Andy and Joe point out, the damned deer hunting has all but ruined it for just about every other group of hunters around. Because of the perceived need to lease up what everyone thinks is their best chance at good ground, gates get locked and no one - pheasant hunters, trappers, squirrel hunters, coyote callers, NO ONE - gets past that gate. Of the 110,000 acres Matt and I have access to, only about 45,000 acres of it is available to us before the close of deer season on or around January 6. By mid-November we're forced to share the country with legions of desperate bow hunters that get absolutely fanatical about protecting their own little piece of paradise. And don't get me started about the damned pheasant hunters. They're like rats!

Nope, if you only hunted the time when things were good and you weren't going against the laws of nature and killing poor defenseless babies, you'd probably get one day at best. A Thursday in early November. Good luck.

My personal preference is to let them be while denning and pup rearing, unless I get a call from someone who needs them handled. But, it's not for noble reasons like my affections for the cute puppies. I just figure it's protecting my resource so I have big coyotes to kill come Fall.
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on February 04, 2008, 04:53 PM:
 
Lots of variables here. First off, I have raised several coyote pups. Some from a couple weeks old and 2 from a matter of a couple days old. And I never licked their butts, not once. And the little ones got fed about 3 times a day, thats all I had time for. The two tiny ones did get fed by the cat, and a bottle, but they weren't just left on the cat all day. Still just three times a day. Most others were a couple weeks old and the got a bowl of canned dog food mixed with warm milk replacer, and when they get hungry they will figure out how to eat it. Or at least part of them will. They are a damn sight tougher than most people give them credit for. As for another female raising them, ask about any ADC guy in sheep country and most have seen it in one way or another. If they are past two or three weeks, the dog will regurgitate food for them and at least part of them will survive. He will stay right there and feed them too. There is no 100% to any of this stuff. Sometimes an old dog will say to hell with them and leave them to starve. The only other factor I see is that more and more there are more than two coyotes on a den. I would say in this country, it's a 75% deal that there is a babysitter. Usually another yearling female. This information isn't from a book, it's just observations from a few years of this stuff. There is a time period that a bigger percentage are going to die without one or the other parent, and no matter what probably some of them aren't going to make it, so it really doesn't make alot of sense for a recreational guy to kill them that time of year. But the more I'm around these arguments from year to year, the less I care what anybody else does.

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on February 04, 2008, 05:33 PM:
 
I really like the debate part about it.
I really don't care who shoots what in what season and for what reason. To be completely honest, 99.9% of people reading this don't care whether or not I do or don't care.

I will pose the question here as it may have gone unnoticed in one of Leonard's Un-Super Super Bowl posts. I thought the stimulation of young, in all animals, had more to do with cleaning than avoiding some sort of horrendous intestinal infection. A survival and predatory avoidance instinct?

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 04, 2008, 05:35 PM:
 
Hell, Cal, I don't see anything you wrote that I can't agree with, including not giving a shit who does what, and when he does it. Thanks, appreciate it.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on February 04, 2008, 06:33 PM:
 

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The only other factor I see is that more and more there are more than two coyotes on a den. I would say in this country, it's a 75% deal that there is a babysitter. Usually another yearling female.

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Hey Cal, last May I was hunting for a moved den. The dogs and I stopped overlooking a likely series of washes. I barked a few times and quickly five adult coyotes and a furry football size puppy stepped out of the nearest wash about 60 yards away.
Care to muse about that social dynamic?
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on February 04, 2008, 06:35 PM:
 
Just means you need to hunt more Rich!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 04, 2008, 07:06 PM:
 
We usualy stop hunting them here around the end of Feb. or the first two weeks of March. Alot also depends on the fur condition and the number of coyotes in the area. We try to leave some seed in each area we hunt or we avoid certain areas we know hold coyotes. In the last 4-5 years are winters have been crazy, we may have snow for two weeks and then none for a month, it comes mostly in cycles from year to year. We have a rough idea on how many canbe taken from our area and we try not to exceed that.If we get a mild winter the next year the population seems to bounce back up..
If someone wants to hunt year round i don't care at all. The only thing that chaps my ass is some of the late season week-end hunters that shoot fox off the den holes and then have the balls to say : "There sure are'nt many fox around like there used to be" Hmmm .... T.A.
 

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Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on February 04, 2008, 07:09 PM:
 
Cal, this and a quarter will probably buy you less than a quarter's worth but thanks for the input from the practical and experienced side.

Sure is nice to hear the clinical and Walt Disney sides of things but I have to admit getting more than just a bit irritated hearing some guy who spent 4 years in a classroom and maybe 2 months on a "study" somewhere dictating absolutes.
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on February 04, 2008, 07:26 PM:
 
Cal, I agree (to a degree) with most of what you said. You've probably spent quite a bit more time around active dens than all the rest of us combined. Rather than nit-pick non-salient points, I'll consider any differences tailored to your geographic area. But I 100% support your bottom-line conclusion:

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Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 04, 2008, 08:00 PM:
 
Okay, fine smithers. My thoughts on your question. Butt-licking has a purpose. (I never knew they did that!) Thanks for the info. guys.

What I think you are talking about is when a deer, elk, antelope etc. licks all of the wet amniotic fluid and afterbirth smelling stuff off the newborn critters. I'm not so sure this is the same as the butt-licking purpose! Creepy to be talking about such things!
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on February 04, 2008, 08:16 PM:
 

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Just means you need to hunt more Rich!

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Good advice.
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on February 04, 2008, 08:23 PM:
 

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have to admit getting more than just a bit irritated hearing some guy who spent 4 years in a classroom and maybe 2 months on a "study" somewhere dictating absolutes.

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