|
Author
|
Topic: mexico and guns
|
6mm284
Knows what it's all about
Member # 1129
|
posted January 17, 2008 03:20 AM
What does it take to get a rifle into mexico to do some coyote calling? Planning a trip to do so and just need a little info.
Posts: 198 | From: N46 06 E91 11 | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged
|
|
Tim Behle
Administrator MacNeal Sector
Member # 209
|
posted January 17, 2008 03:44 AM
Your best bet would be to hire a licensed Guide who specializes in hunting Mexico. Get a real guide, not just someone who talks a good story on the internet.
It's not a difficult thing, but you want to be sure that you've done everything perfect. Penalties for a mistake can be quite high.
The biggest downside, is that you can only legally take five coyotes. You can do better than that, while sitting on this side of the fence, and calling the coyotes across.
--------------------
Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take
an ass kickin'.
Posts: 3160 | From: Five Miles East of Vic, AZ | Registered: Jun 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
Locohead
World Famous Smoke Dancer
Member # 15
|
posted January 17, 2008 09:28 AM
I hope you guys are refering to the 4-legged variety of Mexican coyotes.
--------------------
I love my critters and chick!!!! :)
Posts: 2219 | From: CO | Registered: Jan 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
Leonard
HMFIC
Member # 2
|
posted January 17, 2008 10:34 AM
Okay, first you should go to a Mexican travel agent, and buy a license and schedule a separate trip so the Federales can inspect your firearm and issue a permit. You cannot have a military caliber of any sort, which is why 270Winchester and 38Super are fairly popular with the locals. Even if you had a 25'06, they might reject it, from ignorance? The permit is only good for 3 or 4 months, hunting lic. good for a year, and you can stop in and have permit extended on your way out of the country. You can only have two firearms, and 50 rounds for each, and you need a guide. Now, I don't know if my information is current, as what Tim says about the five coyote conflicts with what it used to be? Before, it was two(2)? and you can't bring them back. Now, if you are on a ranch with political favor, maybe those conditions/requirements are merely suggestions? Whatever, but once we were down there with a guide, and an unnoticed (and undeclared) empty brass rolled around in the back and our guide shit his pants! In other words, you need to be cautious in everything you do....and I will not take the risk any more. I even used to hop the fence to retrieve Mexican coyotes, like Tim says. But, that's not a good idea any more.
Get good premium advice, the more the better, and pay attention to all of it because shit changes down there. I know a guy that had to give up a Citori just to get out of there. It doesn't matter if you do something wrong, or they just say you did something wrong. Put some of your money in each pocket and some more in your socks; because whatever you pull out will be what it is going to cost you.....they are all looking for bribes. So, example. If they tell you it will cost $250 to get out of a jam, and you take $115 out of your wallet, they will leave you the fifteen for gas money. It's a pathetic situation. Since the drug problems, I am scared to death of Mexico. You need to understand that the minute you step across the line, forget all about the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Some of them like Americans and some of them hate Americans. There are lots of documented cases of people mistreated, even dying in prison; and it's "no sey?"
Be careful, LB
--------------------
EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All.
Don't piss me off!
Posts: 32372 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
JoeF
resides "back east"
Member # 228
|
posted January 17, 2008 11:22 AM
I have a friend who spent a couple of years in a Mexican prison for not declaring some sort of freaking wool sweater he picked up while in Mexico. I think he failed to grease the appropriate palm(s) at the appropriate time(s). That was 1978 and I think things have gotten worse since.
For some reason the guy seems nervous and very untrusting these days.
I've been across that border and can't really think of a good reason to go back.
I don't think the hunting is that good down there.
Posts: 658 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
NASA
Knows what it's all about
Member # 177
|
posted January 17, 2008 11:35 AM
It's less a matter of "how good" the hunting might be, and more a matter of "is it worth all the hassle"?
Posts: 1168 | From: Typical White Person | Registered: Apr 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
6mm284
Knows what it's all about
Member # 1129
|
posted January 18, 2008 04:05 AM
thank you, will consider all your suggestions, You sure know how to take the fun out of things.
Posts: 198 | From: N46 06 E91 11 | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged
|
|
Leonard
HMFIC
Member # 2
|
posted January 18, 2008 07:59 AM
Holy cow! I'm taking the fun out of things? Amigo; you do the wrong thing in Mexico and it will ruin your fun, big time! LB
--------------------
EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All.
Don't piss me off!
Posts: 32372 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
NASA
Knows what it's all about
Member # 177
|
posted January 18, 2008 09:04 AM
Hey pal, WE didn't take the fun out of going to Mexico. The Mexicans did!! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posts: 1168 | From: Typical White Person | Registered: Apr 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
JoeF
resides "back east"
Member # 228
|
posted January 18, 2008 01:29 PM
This reminds me of trips I used to take to Las Cruses so that my girlfriend could visit her sister who had married a good buddy of mine.
The gals always took a day trip to Mexico. Every year.
The few years that I spent time in NM instead of heading on over to AZ. to visit relatives I always got to hear my buddy say "hopefully, they won't make it back."
They always did, two attractive dark haired Anglos. Always made it back. Bugged the hell out of my buddy. Didn't bother me much, I always dropped her off and kept on moving.
I think I understand what he was saying and I certainly hope that he is fairing better today........
Posts: 658 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
6mm284
Knows what it's all about
Member # 1129
|
posted January 19, 2008 04:19 AM
Leonard," Taking fun out of things" is simply a phrase used in humor in the context in which i used it.I fully understand the Bill of Rights and what it affords me and how unique it is in the world. I have often lectured others as to this when speaking about traveling to other countries.It would be nice if all had the appreciation of the gift our Bill of Rights is and treasured those rights as they should. They would quite supporting liberal candidates and agendas.
I appreciate all of your input on the subject . I knew I would get some good advice from all of you who have been or live near Mexico, that is why I put the post here. I was always planning on a trip down to investigate all the considerations before ever acutally doing it.
[ January 19, 2008, 04:22 AM: Message edited by: 6mm284 ]
Posts: 198 | From: N46 06 E91 11 | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged
|
|
NASA
Knows what it's all about
Member # 177
|
posted January 19, 2008 08:21 AM
6 mil, we're not telling you not to go, we're just giving you a friendly heads up so you don't get blind-sided down there. Lot's of additional precautions to consider, and then there's still no guarantee you won't run into trouble with the Federalies, drug runners, border gangsters, Policia, Cartel soldiers, etc. Hunting coyotes on the Mexican side of the border isn't fun any more, like it was in the 50's and 60's. Even doing it on this side of the fence, like Tim suggested, has high risk. These are not the good old days any more.
Posts: 1168 | From: Typical White Person | Registered: Apr 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
Leonard
HMFIC
Member # 2
|
posted January 19, 2008 08:40 AM
The coyote hunting down there is hard to imagine. And, that's the good and the bad part. It can cause you to go blind, metaphorically speaking. It's a once in a lifetime experience, like a pilgrimage to Mecca. But, it ain't worth what could easily happen to the innocent; which would be any American tourista. Go to the border cities, hang around people. Stay out of the bush where dead men tell no tales. And, they really do feed you to the hogs.
Good hunting. LB
--------------------
EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All.
Don't piss me off!
Posts: 32372 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
Kokopelli
SENIOR DISCOUNT & Dispenser of Sage Advice
Member # 633
|
posted January 19, 2008 01:32 PM
Quote; "Hey pal, WE didn't take the fun out of going to Mexico. The MEXICANS did."
What is truely sad is that if you were going to sit down and design a country......you would want to have good climate, a couple of sea-shores, beaches, deserts, jungles & mountains. Hunting & big game fishing......yeah, add that. Natural resources, not the least of which is OIL. Beautiful women, culture, & a rich history. In other words........Mexico!!!
Now top it all off with corupt government at all levels and NASA's right; We didn't take the fun out of going to Mexico. The Mexicans did.
--------------------
And lo, the Light of the Trump shown upon the Darkness and the Darkness could not comprehend it.
Posts: 8237 | From: Under a wandering star | Registered: Apr 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
NASA
Knows what it's all about
Member # 177
|
posted January 19, 2008 03:20 PM
Up until the early 80's Baja was my perpetual vacation destination. From a simple 3-day weekend to a full on 3 week campout, Mexico was my playground of choice. I'd even make the trip for a one day trip just to go to the bullfights.
Then about 1982 the anti-American attitude down there started to affect my trips. From harassment by the Ensenada and TJ cops (including so-called "undercover" detectives), to detainment and searches (at gunpoint) by uniformed soldiers. Reports of Americans being killed and buried, and their vehicles seen being driven around by the local police, made a drastic increase. Incidents of attacks on Americans by "roadside bandits" escalated in frequency.
After my truck was broken into (in a "security enclosure") while yellowtail fishing out of Ensenada, I called it quits (in 1989). And the situation down there has only gotten worse since the drug lords and MS-13 gangsters have taken over.
That's a real damn shame, 'cuz I remember how good it used to be.
[ January 19, 2008, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: NASA ]
Posts: 1168 | From: Typical White Person | Registered: Apr 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
onecoyote
Knows what it's all about
Member # 129
|
posted January 19, 2008 03:45 PM
I fished the beaches down in Baja all through the 80s.
I hunted predators during the 80s in Mexico, never had a problem.
Nowadays You couldn't pay my way down there.
The only way Mexico well ever become a welcoming country to the U.S. again is if we go down there and take over......Make them the 51st state. Take there women, gold, silver and OIL. Opps, and all there coyotes, bobcats, gray fox and lions. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
--------------------
Great minds discuss ideas.....Average minds discuss events.....Small minds discuss people.....Eleanor Roosevelt.
Posts: 893 | From: Walker Lake Nevada. | Registered: Feb 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
Yotecallr
PAKMAN
Member # 1020
|
posted January 19, 2008 04:48 PM
Let me see if I got this right, so if a Federale comes up to you and asks to see your badge, can you tell him "I don't have to show no stinking badges". I couldn't resist.
[ January 20, 2008, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: Yotecallr ]
--------------------
They always stop, they always do.
Posts: 9 | From: Directly above the center of the Earth | Registered: Dec 2006
| IP: Logged
|
|
Jack Roberts
unknown comic
|
posted January 19, 2008 09:40 PM
Actually Baja is pretty friendly now. They have discovered tourist dollars and are hot to collect them. I was there less than a year ago and only had to pay 3p to use a public bathroom.
For the rest of Mexico the old advise still works: Bribe somebody and if that doesn't work, bribe somebody else.
Jack
IP: Logged
|
|
|
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
Printer-friendly view of this topic
