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Posted by BigO (Member # 1062) on December 21, 2007, 11:20 PM:

I have a friend who is moving to Colorado and has excepted a job as a Tribal Police Officer. He says he has been hired sight unseen and told that he will have to attend a Cultural Awareness class.

I pondered what exactly a Cultural Awareness class is. I have come to the determination that it is way for some people to tell me why I should not care that they do things that I consider illegal or un-American. Simply because they are who they are.

These are the same people that complain about the American Government, but then take it's money for a free education and money for them to provide for their families. These are the same people who want to were a turbin and bow to the east in the afternoon to pray, in the middle of parent teacher confrences, then turn around and complain because their kids teacher has a Christmas tree in the class room.

Maybe, there should be a Cultural Awareness class at this contry's ports, and you should be told that if you are moving here or going to live here, that you are an American. You are no longer Chinese, Japanese, Jewish, Iraqi, ****** French, English or where ever else you come from.

There is agroup out there called The Ulster Project. This group takes kids from Northern Ireland and brings them to America to live for a year or so to show them that we can live beside someone with different religious backgrounds and not kill each other, And that they can too. That is some REAL Cultural Awareness!! Teach people how to live in peace and harmony or to better themselves not how to turn a blind eye to a groups short commings or illegal activity.

Once again, only in America!!!

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 21, 2007, 11:34 PM:

Yeah, okay. I just heard that the Lakota want to renounce their citizenship and just be tribal members of their Sovereign Nation. That's great, no more free roads and schools, electricity, beer or anything else. And stay the hell out of the United States, too. Run your own friggin' Postal Service, and banking system, print your own money.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on December 22, 2007, 03:28 PM:

Yeah, you tell 'em, Custer. What the hell are they doing in "our" country in the first place? [Roll Eyes]

[ December 22, 2007, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: NASA ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 22, 2007, 05:50 PM:

Let's be clear on one thing; The 'evil white man' didn't do ANYTHING to the native tribes that they weren't already doing to each other. The tribes stole from each other, killed each other, and drove each other from their lands. The white man just did it better. Did the ****** get a raw deal?? You bet!! And it's long past time for them to get over it and get on with their lives. This on-going 'you took our land' pity party is getting old, so take some casino profits and start buying it back.

Posted by JD (Member # 768) on December 22, 2007, 06:02 PM:

Amen!!!

Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on December 22, 2007, 06:28 PM:

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I have a friend who is moving to Colorado and has excepted a job as a Tribal Police Officer. He says he has been hired sight unseen and told that he will have to attend a Cultural Awareness class.

I pondered what exactly a Cultural Awareness class is. I have come to the determination that it is way for some people to tell me why I should not care that they do things that I consider illegal or un-American. Simply because they are who they are.

Sounds like you are making a pretty darn big assumption there.

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These are the same people that complain about the American Government, but then take it's money for a free education and money for them to provide for their families. These are the same people who want to were a turbin and bow to the east in the afternoon to pray, in the middle of parent teacher confrences, then turn around and complain because their kids teacher has a Christmas tree in the class room.

Assumption maybe?

I admit, I probably am misunderstanding your post...(although I read thru it a couple of times) but are you saying tribal people are Muslim? Sounds like you're saying the class will force your buddy to overlook peote usage and public scalpings or something!?!?

Maybe you should find out what a "Cultural Awareness class" really is. I don't entirely disagree with your opinions but I just don't see how all this (Cultural learning, people abusing systems, muslims etc.) ties together with your buddy taking a class to learn about the culture of the people living within his jurisdiction.

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on December 22, 2007, 06:41 PM:

We promised the ******* that we would give them a large piece of ground, and they could live there as long as the grass grows and the rivers flow. Then we placed them on barren ground where grass won't grow and there ain't no river that flows. [Big Grin]

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on December 22, 2007, 06:59 PM:

posted December 22, 2007 05:50 PM
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Let's be clear on one thing; The 'evil white man' didn't do ANYTHING to the native tribes that they weren't already doing to each other. The tribes stole from each other, killed each other, and drove each other from their lands. The white man just did it better. Did the ****** get a raw deal?? You bet!! And it's long past time for them to get over it and get on with their lives. This on-going 'you took our land' pity party is getting old, so take some casino profits and start buying it back.

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on December 22, 2007, 07:50 PM:

Mr Cronk - you arn't speaking of Oklahoma per chance??

Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on December 22, 2007, 09:47 PM:

I'm with you Loco, I think that a Cultural Awareness class would have been down right handy when I Moved from the Midwest, to a Border Town.

Cultural Awareness classes aren't to tell you to over look people who break the laws, they are to help you avoid pissing off everyone around you by making off hand comments or gestures, that may not be Offensive in your culture, but are extremely offensive to another culture.

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on December 22, 2007, 10:52 PM:

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The 'evil white man' didn't do ANYTHING to the native tribes that they weren't already doing to each other.

I think you could benefit from a remedial class in "North American 1ndian History".

[ December 22, 2007, 10:53 PM: Message edited by: NASA ]

Posted by Steve B (Member # 1751) on December 23, 2007, 12:38 AM:

Cultural Awareness classes aren't to tell you to over look people who break the laws, they are to help you avoid pissing off everyone around you by making off hand comments or gestures, that may not be Offensive in your culture, but are extremely offensive to another culture.

I gotta say, many of those folks are the same ones that want me to take Christ out of Christmas because it offends them and their prophet. It ain't gonna happen!

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 23, 2007, 01:26 AM:

"I think that you could benefit from a remedial class in "North American 1ndian History".

OK.......So the tribes didn't steal from each other?? They didn't kill each other?? They didn't drive each other from their lands?? Odd that the Sioux ended up out on the prairie when their Pre-Columbian ancestral home was the Great Lakes region. Maybe the class will cover that.

I'm not saying that what happened to the 1ndians was right. They got screwed over big time. Most all of the land that we live on was at one time promised to the tribes "Forevermore" but I don't hear anybody saying, "My property was stolen from the 1ndians.....I'll give it back & move someplace else".

The fact is that any culture can use it's past either as a rudder to guide it into the future or as an anchor to hold it back.

End of rant.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 23, 2007, 02:47 AM:

Considering the way indigenous aboriginals (worldwide) have been treated, curently and historically, the Federal Government is good and honorable toward our native American tribes.

Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on December 23, 2007, 06:04 AM:

From what I've seen the more we help the more we hurt. It's over, all my ancestors homelands were conquered by someone at sometime. Good deal bad deal it's over!

A sound business foundation on our local reservations and it would be shocking how much money could be made. Whether it be ranching farming, or gaming!

Posted by JD (Member # 768) on December 23, 2007, 08:28 AM:

Exactly right Randy, more free stuff won`t fix it.

Posted by Bofire (Member # 221) on December 23, 2007, 08:29 AM:

Cultural awareness is a great tool for any Cop. Does not matter if you go from Mexico to Canada or Seattle to St. Louis.
The last thing any cop wants is to excerbate a bad situation out of simple ignorance.
Some folks dont want to shake hands, some avoid eye contact, some are not technichly aware. Some want to be really close to you when they talk, some feel they cant talk until allowed by an Elder or after an Elder speaks, never before. and Beleive it or not we ALL have these little quirks. Being aware of them is good for all of us.
Carl

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on December 23, 2007, 10:26 AM:

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OK.......So the tribes didn't steal from each other??

You're trying to paint "all" 1ndians with the same brush. Not all tribes were aggressive or defensive. Most of those tribes were the first ones killed off by the invading whites. You don't hear much about them though. You only read about the ones that tried to fight back.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 23, 2007, 11:42 AM:

Some credible evidence exists that they even "ate" each other, Tom.

Peaceful tribes? Yeah, I suppose, but they were all subject to getting thumped by their neighbors. So, some of that noble redman "spin" is pure BALONEY. Ditto, victims. Yeah again, some injustices....duly noted. But, think about it for a minute. Should America have become a pristine wilderness forever, only violated by film crews from the Discovey Channel? Like the Amazon, maybe? These people were primitive, with no defense against civilization. They have "lived long and prospered" in comparison to the hard realities of the precontact period. The "hand wringers" all like to heap guilt on us any way they can, but that's a friggin' RELIGION for some folks. I choose not to buy into the program.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on December 23, 2007, 12:12 PM:

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they were all subject to getting thumped by their neighbors

Yeah, kind of like the society we live in today, huh. Everyone with bars on their windows, raise your hand. Everyone with a home self-defense weapon, raise your hand. Everyone with a CCW, raise your hand. According to your version of history, we are ripe for an invasion and extermination. [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 23, 2007, 12:42 PM:

My version, your version? Whatever. Like they say, history is written by the victors...and our faithful revisionists attempt to rewrite it.

Sometimes they just don't make sense? Like right now; I can't figure out what the hell you are trying to say? You seem to have a direct and mystic connection that validates YOUR version of truth, whatever it is? I'm real happy for you. LB

Posted by BigO (Member # 1062) on December 24, 2007, 12:20 AM:

I am not mistaking tribal people with muslims. I am simply mentioning different cultures than my own. I just thought it was funny that a Caucasion officer who is hired "sight unseen" was told that he has to attend a cultural awareness class. How do they know he needs it?? To me, it seems the assumption is that he is different and needs to learn how to deal with the locals.

I have been to cultural awareness classes. I can not ever recall any of them mentioning how someone can avoid offending me. It seems the class is based on how I can avoid offending someone else. It just seems one sided to me.

Just like when I went to college. I filled out my papers for student aid. Right on the packet it said, "If you are African American, Latino, Native American or Asian talk to the Finance Clerk because you may qualify for free education." I didn't have a dime!! Why wasn't I offered a free education instead of an education on credit?? Fair is fair, what gives??

I know I may sound like one, but please don't think I am a bigot. I like all people!!! I just think things should be fair. I don't think someone should get special treatment because their great-great-great grandfather was a slave, or was shot in a !ndian war by one of my ancestors. And I really don't think America should be giving free education and money to foriegners, when it wont give those things to it's own citizens.

Posted by BigO (Member # 1062) on December 24, 2007, 12:30 AM:

Locohead,

I do believe the purpose of my friend having to attend "another" cultural awareness class is to make sure that he knows peote and marijuana are both used in the Native American religious ceremonies, and that he should overlook these things.

Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on December 24, 2007, 11:12 AM:

Getting all the facts helps when formulating an opinion BigO. Let's just hope scalpings aren't to be over looked. I really hate short hair-cuts!!! [Wink]

Thanks for clarifying. A cultural awareness class seems to me (an outsider) like a realistic thing to do. I just didn't know what it entailed.

I'm really confused still. I thought that tribal folks had their own laws (such as the legal peyote and mary&juanie). And I thought they had their own law ewnforcement to enforce tribal laws.

I'm still lacking in the "getting all the facts" department. [Confused]

Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on December 24, 2007, 03:24 PM:

Kelly, Do you have a roll number?

Posted by heiditrap (Member # 1459) on January 10, 2008, 09:34 AM:

well I'm a perm *** of the USA and I am English and can say that and still come and live as an American.. trapping and I even go to any church where friends may be going to.. no prob whatever.
I think we in the Uk have this stuff going on too.. we have more Muslims than any other religion I'd say.. we see their places of worship everywhere.. A recent undercover tv prog showed their mosques were teaching hatred of any one other than Muslims...and we are paying out our taxes to a lot of them..in benefits. I have no problem with any nationality or religion, I have some good Muslim friends but It made me sit up and pay attention hearing this tv documentary.
I believe we should live in harmony and anyone wanting to hate their neighbour should go back to their own country where they can love their neighbour....because they object to the difference...

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on January 10, 2008, 10:34 AM:

OK "Heidi", what's your agenda? Shall we all hold hands and sing "Someone’s laughing, Lord, kumbaya. O Lord, kumbaya"?

Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 10, 2008, 02:52 PM:

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Odd that the Sioux ended up out on the prairie when their Pre-Columbian ancestral home was the Great Lakes region. Maybe the class will cover that.

Actually the sioux always lived on the praries, the last of the great horseman. The greatlakes ******* was the chipawa.
Do a search on the Sioux and other tribes for war-time services for the great U.S.A.. They have given just as many sons if not more for our country..
Some of the sioux do have jobs such as ranching and so on, but if liveing on the *** . they are only allowed to make so much money. Some have gone on to become great cowboys in the pro rodeo circute and so on.
The *** . i hunt on does have its own tribal cops and wardens, and some of there own laws which differ from the state. They are overseen by the fed. Govt. Have any of you been to a *** . or the areas they are located, the land they where given is pretty much useless. There maybe enough grass for cattle when and if they get any rain. Been pretty dry there last couple of years..
There is also a *** . near where i live they have there own Consino and are doing well, too well actually. Last year the Gov.'t tried to step in and say hey we want some of that money they are makeing. As far as i know its still tied up in court. T.A.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 10, 2008, 03:43 PM:

Yeah, I think most of the Lakota (Sioux) were around that area below the great lakes, southern Minnesota and south and west. They were definitely great plains ******* , not woodland like Ojibwa a little further north.

Yes, an argument can be made for relocating a lot of tribes, but not too much for the Sioux. In fact, the last 1ndian uprising occured in southern Minnesota involving the Mineconju(?) Sioux, tried at Ft Snelling(?) and hanged 39 of the ringleaders in St Cloud, a hundred+ years ago, or so? Not positive of the exact details, but it went something like that?

I still think they got a fairly decent shake, but what can you do when somebody ***** the island of Manhatten for $23? Shit, Russia got a screwing on Alaska, in retrospect, but that's the breaks.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on January 10, 2008, 04:27 PM:

There was supposedly more to the deal for Manhattan, than just the $23. There were promises, concessions, and allowances that were part of the deal, too. Unfortunately, twenty-three bucks was the only part of the bargain that was upheld. The 1ndians obviously were not motivated by greed, and had no idea of how they were being manipulated. Their child-like trust was taken advantage of. When the betrayal finally hit home, it was too late. No recourse but war paint.

Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 10, 2008, 08:01 PM:

You got it pretty close Leonard. The last ..... to be shot was killed about 30 miles from where i live now by a farmer. Turned out he was one of the cheifs to local tribe.. T..A.

[ January 10, 2008, 08:02 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 11, 2008, 10:49 AM:

To borrow a neat phrase that Romney used in last night's debate:

Tom has been reading too many of Sacheen Littlefeather's press releases. [Smile]

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