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Cdog911
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posted August 22, 2007 04:15 AM
From Brent Rueb:
World Predator & Hunting Expo
Overland Park Convention Center
Overland Park, Ks.
Late August 2008
Dates to be announced
Plans for the first ever Predator & Hunting Expo are under way. The World Predator & Hunting Expo will highlight predator hunting, calling, and the Predator industry as a whole. Predator hunting is ready for its own expo to celebrate its rapid growth. This being said, it is important to highlight the management part of predator calling, hunting, trapping and predation as great wildlife management tools.
Ranchers, farmers, suburban home owners, hunting preserves, outfitters, waterfowl organizations, upland game bird organizations, wild turkey organizations, big game organizations and hunters & sportsman of all walks of life have a vested interest in predator management.
We need to work together to preserve our wildlife. Predators kill thousands of young and adult game every year, not to mention millions of dollars of livestock lost to predator related deaths. The World Predator & Hunting Expo is a gathering place to bring sportsmen together for a better hunting tomorrow!
The purpose of this Expo is to bring the Predator Hunting industry together, showcasing its huge presence in the hunting industry. For companies to offer the latest hunting products, outdoor gear, outfitting services, hunting & outdoor media, and information. Provide a fun, Informational and energetic atmosphere for hunters, outdoorsmen and their families!
There will be informative seminars from notable hunting industry speakers, special attractions, crowd drawing entertainment, and the first ever World Predator Calling Competition. (Hand or mouth calls only).Competing callers from around the country will be judged by a panel of their peers to see who will be named the first World Predator Calling Champion!
This will be a consumer expo, companies offering hunting products, outdoor gear, services, and information, will want to be in attendance. This will be a great venue to generate sales, launch new products, obtain new leads and prospects, showcase products or services and use high Impact advertising. Companies wanting to display their products for promotional purposes are welcome as well.
This is a short highlight of this new and exciting event. More information will be available in the very near future. We will be launching a new website for this event, so all information, including times; dates, ticket purchase info, booth space contracts, expo floor plans, hotel accommodations, and Expo brochures will be listed.
Don’t miss out on this new and exciting event!
Companies, organizations, vendors and attendees can contact Brent Rueb for further information. Corporate sponsorships are now being taken.
World Predator & Hunting Expo
WWW.worldpredator&huntingexpo.com
Event promoter - Brent Rueb
PO Box 743
St. Francis, Ks. 67756
785-332-2731 office
785-332-7242 cell
785-332-8943 fax
Brent@predatorsniperstyx.com
Feel free to pass this along to any board or individual you know. I'll update as new information beomes available.
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JoeF
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posted August 22, 2007 07:20 AM
That's practically in my back yard in Internet terms, I'd probably go.
The flip side is - I almost hate to see this sort of thing happen. The sport seems to be going the way of deer hunting.
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onecoyote
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posted August 22, 2007 09:03 AM
Lance, it won't be the first time they've had a Worlds predator calling championship, but still a great idea. If it was not so far away I'd sure like to go.
The first Worlds Champion Predator Caller was Jim Dougherty, 1957 held in Chandler Arizona. I'm not sure, but they stopped having that competition back in the late 60s or early 70s.
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Rich Higgins
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posted August 22, 2007 04:36 PM
I would attend this just to support Brent because he deserves it. Another plus is that Brent promotes a quality event and this is going to be a monster.
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Crow Woman
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posted August 24, 2007 07:37 AM
Danny or anyone that might know... In 1957 when Jim Dougherty won that title, did he win it on Predator Calling or Coyote Calling and vocalization? Very curious to know the history. Was there any other contests held since then?
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Cdog911
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posted August 24, 2007 09:20 AM
Back in the early 80's, the Kansas Fur Harvesters held a "National Coyote Calling Championship" for a couple years in a row. It was at one of those events that I met Willis Kent, Gerry Blair, Bill Austin and a whole host of others. They did use howls back then. But, it'd be interesting to know how far back howling was used.
At some point, about three years in, someone somewhere else threatened KFHA with legal action for stealing their contest name, even though they weren't having contests anymore, and the contest ceased to exist after that.
Rich is right about Brent. When he does something, he goes whole hog. I've spoken with him on the phone about this and he has big plans to make it a top notch event. His focus is on hunting predators, but also, on bringing calling and hunting predators to the forefront as a tool for use in all other aspects of wildlife management. This show will be a draw to all genres - predator callers, upland bird people, deer hunting, guiding and outfitting, wildlife managers, predator controllers. If yours is an industry or business that has some affiliation with or can benefit from knowing more about predator management, this will be the place to be.
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NASA
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posted August 24, 2007 01:42 PM
For someone to win the title of World Champion Predator Caller, wouldn't the competition need to be comprised of predator callers from around the world? To be fair, there should be contestants from RSA, Sweeden, Australia, England, and a few other countries that have posted on predator calling boards, right?
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Leonard
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posted August 24, 2007 01:57 PM
yeah, I suppose we could get technical about the so called "World Series" too?
Call me crazy, but I think the world's best callers are located in the U.S.A.
Matbe we should have the U.N. judge the contest, just to be PC?
Good hunting. LB
Umm, you been hanging out with lefty's? Just asking?
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keekee
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posted August 24, 2007 02:31 PM
In Turkey calling they have a Grand National contest, along with a World calling championship, World All around and many State calling contests along with a ton of others.
For the Grand National contest you haft to qualify, by winning a sanctioned calling even. And also belong to the National Turkey Federation. By qualifying anyone in the world can compete if they wish, from anywhere in the world. This contest turns out big numbers of competitors every year. Its a huge title. Winning this title can do wonders for a person in the industry.
Just the preliminary rounds for this event take one whole day. And then the finals are several Hrs long, along with an awards banquet, and interviews.
By having the title of world Champion up for grabs, gives anyone in the world a chance to win it if they are willing to travel to the contest and compete.
Brent
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Andy L
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posted August 24, 2007 02:32 PM
I would assume with all the info out there, including predator boards, the fellas over the pond also have access to this info and can enter if they want to? Unlike the world series.
Just an observation.
BTW, are they having an electronic division? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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keekee
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posted August 24, 2007 02:37 PM
The contest will get good advertizing, Brent has a good budget set aside to promote the show and contest.
I have already seen it on several boards already.
This will be a first class contest!
Brent
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Cdog911
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posted August 24, 2007 03:10 PM
Brent,
The interesting thing about a calling contest like this, that differentiates it from those sanctioned by groups like NWTF, is that predator calling, as we have all seen pointed out, involves using sounds other than those your prey makes. With exception of howling, the distress category would be wide open. To me, that makes this even more interesting.
I know that a lot of platform contests are held in the SW, but very few up here. What sounds good to a contestant and what sounds good to a judge may very well be a deep and wide gap. I would think the most interesting part of things would be hearing what works best for other guys. I've heard a lot of jack rabbits die, and Crittr-Calls don't even come close to being accurate, but they sure as heck do call coyotes. I'm looking forward to this event.
NASA,
What about the Miss Universe Pageant? Maybe all those UFO sightings are just contestants trying to get here and not the invasion the Area 51 crowd is trying to make us believe.
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posted August 24, 2007 03:31 PM
Lance,
Good question! Brent has asked me to run the contest and set things up, we will be working together to make this a top notch event and be the best Predator calling contest there is. Me and Brent have talked about this very thing. And that was one of my concerns and we will try hard to make sure we get "TOP" notch judges. And run the contest as professional and fair as we can. I want judges that know what they are looking for.
After calling in contest myself for a long time I have seen allot of this myself. Good judges are hard to come by. Every contest or different town seemed to have different styles, judges looked for different things, you may blow them away in KY and come in last in WV or MO. Judges will be very important part of this.
we want to run this contest as professional as possible, and make it the best there is in the industry, and set the bar for other contests in the future.
I am going to be doing some poles on different things on the enet to get some feed back from people, along with a ton of phone calls getting input from anyone who would like to.
Anyone who wants to put some input into this is welcome to call or mail me, or I will call them on my dime. Brent Saxton (740) 894-5619 or
keescalls@keescalls.com
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Kokopelli
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posted August 24, 2007 03:54 PM
Ok....... Andy made a comment about having an 'Electronic Division'.
In thinking about it though, why not?? It would give the manufacturers a chance to strut their stuff and with blind judging the winner would have bragging rights.
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keekee
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posted August 24, 2007 04:06 PM
Kokopelli,
This will be more of a prestige contest being that the winner or winners will have the title of a world champion plus all the bonuses that will go with it.
It would be hard to judge something like that. Contests are judged on cadence, authenticity of sound, mistakes, sequence, how the sound is presented, etc. With an Electronic caller this would be tough. And take allot of that away.
Also we are looking at a time frame as well. Depending on the amount of callers we get we maybe looking at preliminary rounds, and finals. A couple different divisions, and a youth contest as well. I only have a three day time frame to work with as well.
But I will keep the idea in mind and run it by some others.
Brent
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posted August 24, 2007 04:38 PM
This sounds like a great idea. It would be something I would like to attend.
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posted August 24, 2007 04:47 PM
Crow Woman it was hand calling only, no howling. To my knowledge howling didn't come on the seen tell the 1980s.
Yes, they had yearly contest and callers from around the country attended.
Again, I'm not sure when they stopped having those contest. Probably around the late 60s or early 70s.
The CSVCA had National calling contest as well in the 1980s and even into the 1990s.
I was a contestant and even got to judge a couple of those contest, so I know they happened. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Cdog1911, I really hope this contest grows, it's great for the sport ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Rich Higgins
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posted August 24, 2007 05:49 PM
It isn't unreasonable to expect 50 or more contestants in this contest. You're looking at a minimum of five hours, which will make for a very long, exhausting event for the contestants and the judges. Spectators will come and go throughout the event.
I know that you will pull it off, Brent, but you can sure use a lot of help and you're not going to get to enjoy very much of the rest of the expo.
I'll take pics and show you what you missed.
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posted August 24, 2007 05:49 PM
I was just jokin about the electronic division.
However, I know alot of people that hunt with nothing but. Or pretty much nothing but electronics.
I guess you could have a JS 512 and 612 divisions. See how quickly and quietly you can lug it out to a stand. Have a non remote division to see who can turn on the tape and get back to sit down quicker and with the most style and grace.
Guys with remotes and the long list of MP3 and Wave players can woo the judges with the selection of sounds they choose.
Ok, Im still just screwin around. I know this was supposed to be serious. Sounds like a good time and I plan on making it.
Edit, not to call, just to listen to the pros do their thing and take it all in.
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Crow Woman
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posted August 24, 2007 06:06 PM
Danny... would it be safe to say that even though they called it the Worlds back then, it was actually a National? I'm not trying to be blonde here... I just find this really interesting. Heck if they had this kind of subject in History class years ago in school, I would have been an A student I think
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posted August 24, 2007 06:24 PM
I was just asking, in a round about way, if we could expect to see some international contestants. Not sure if Brent, or any of his crew, has sent out invitations to some of the guys I indicated. It would be very interesting to hear sounds and techniques that are used on other continents, and see if or how they may differ from our standard squeals and squawks.
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Cdog911
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posted August 24, 2007 07:09 PM
NASA,
I think that would be interesting, but also cloud the issue as far as how accurate a contestant reproduces a distress sound. For instance, some guy comes in from South Africa and can do a damned fine spring hare, but doesn't know dink about how a black-tailed jackrabbit sounds. As if that isn't enough of a hurdle, think about the variety of bird distress sounds that could be offered.
I'm very interested in what Higgins can offer on this. He's been in a bunch of platform contests and I need to know what I need to do to beat him. Er, I mean, what do the judges look for?
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Leonard
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posted August 24, 2007 07:22 PM
As far as that goes, Lance. A Spring Hare makes a damned good sound. Good enough to call a coyote, in my opinion.
Gentlemen, you sound like a bunch of Lefty ACLU policy makers. We can call this a World Contest, and still sleep at night. It's up to Brent, what he calls the event. If he has it open to anybody that signs up, and the South African and Swedish guys don't show, that's not his fault. The winner is the best in the WORLD, far as I'm concerned.
Good hunting. LB
edit: furthermore, I think it would be nice to include the entire solar system; anybody, any planet.
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posted August 24, 2007 07:55 PM
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I know that you will pull it off, Brent, but you can sure use a lot of help and you're not going to get to enjoy very much of the rest of the expo.
I'll take pics and show you what you missed.
I hear ya Rich! I will have lots of help we have already talked about that and Brent R is lining up some people to help keep things smooth and rolling well.
And remember I have not asked you to judge yet!...lol
Lance,
Judges should look for cadence of the call, sound authenticity, pitch, presentation, mistakes in the calling, realism etc. Judging can suck sometimes. We will go over all this stuff with the judges before the contest, and hope to pick some good first class judges as well.
I would also like to hear your alls thoughts on good Judges as well?
We wouldn’t break the distress sounds down that much, in other words, like Bird distress would just be what ever bird you picked. We would not be species specific there, but Cottontail, or Jack Rabbit would be.
Brent
Edit.....All these Brent's are getting me confused! And that’s not hard to do....lol
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posted August 25, 2007 05:51 PM
CDog9111 . . . Yep, I remember judging the contest you refer to. As I recall, the winner was Johnny Stewart one year and Willis Kent another year. Willis was damfine at howling. . . using his natural voice. I used howls during hunts . . . mainly as a locator . . . during the late seventies and early eighties. Danny is right about the calling events in Arizona during the late seventies and early eighties. Many of the winners blew the old Circe Professionaly Model ( offered by Jack Cain, who hung out in a pissant town near Phoenix)made of wood.All such were platform events. As a side note, the Phoenix Varmint Callers held yearly contests where member teams turned in ears or tails to earn points that took the prizes. My friend George Oakey of Flagstaff (mid-eighties now and in poor health) teamed with Del Western and won at least one year.
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