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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on August 01, 2007, 05:52 PM:

Why is that, atleast to me, it seems that predator hunting attracts the most down to earth approachable people? Out of all of the shooting sports, hunting etc. it is the predator guys that you find online, in forums and they even answer their own e-mails. You can contact them with questions and they are the ones most forthcoming with advice without a price.
[Big Grin]

Predator hunters are a breed apart. [Big Grin]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 01, 2007, 06:04 PM:

I have long felt they (predator hunters) are the most knowledgeable segment of the hunting fraternity, seem to be familiar with all other forms of hunting, best shooters, best woodsmen, highly successful, and approachable, and shares information for the asking.

In short, PAKMANS! PAMPASS KNOW IT ALLS RULE!

Good hunting. LB

Posted by canine (Member # 687) on August 01, 2007, 06:50 PM:

F... You Smithers [Eek!]

I agree, I love the challenge and dedication involved with predator hunting. It takes the most skilled and tuned woodmanship to kill predators consistantly. Unless your from Texas.... [Big Grin]

Take it easy on me Ronnie [Wink]

I get a kick outta the hardcore deer hunters around here, lyin and secrets about where the big bucks are hiding, then beggin to be shown how to call in coyotes [Roll Eyes]

That's why I am a predator caller,I love the challenge [Smile]

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 01, 2007, 07:40 PM:

Whose giving away secrets for free?!?! [Mad]

Most deer hunters are happy to get one animal within three hundred yards a year. Damned underchievers. Had one ask me once why I hunt coyotes and not deer anymore, I told him, "Because my prey hunts your prey down and kills it. Any questions?"

Posted by RoyalOaksTaxidermy (Member # 1532) on August 01, 2007, 09:24 PM:

I have to agree... Most predator hunters are quite nice to chat with.. Some will even drag you along to their hot spot or tell you how to get there. And its a dang good thing we are nice people.. cuz there are ALOT of people out there who are soooo negative LOL...

And CDOG- I cant imagine giving up deer for coyotes.. We hunt deer in several states and I wouldnt trade deer/elk hunting for nothing in the world LOL.. Way I see it I can enjoy both sides of your coin.. I hunt the prey and the predator.

Posted by RMiller (Member # 1530) on August 02, 2007, 08:29 AM:

Good on ya!!!!!

Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on August 02, 2007, 08:37 AM:

Canine, there are exceptions to every rule. [Razz]

I am not too far away from you and KeeKee. I could sneak down in the dead of night and 'Scorched Earth' your hunting areas for years to come. [Smile]

Call them in, give them some treats, maybe have them roll over and scratch their bellies. [Big Grin]

[ August 02, 2007, 08:38 AM: Message edited by: smithers ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 02, 2007, 08:45 AM:

quote:
I have long felt they (predator hunters) are the most knowledgeable segment of the hunting fraternity/LB

Of course, there will always be exceptions. Smithers.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on August 02, 2007, 10:19 AM:

I disagree with you guys about the approachability, and the shared knowledge, at least at my "local" level, but I discussed this another thread, recently (and it doesn't need a rehash).

Reading too much conflicting information from the internet (and print), without the ability to sort out what will apply to the area you are in, can make things worse.

Good hunters are good at hunting, almost no matter what they are hunting for, and those who are not are not.

I am proof of that. And so is our new friend Otto. [Wink]

JD,

If it was about "a challenge" you guys would come out here and hunt.

Lance,

I gave up coyotes for deer, and it sucks.

Six and a half minutes of deer hunting, got me buckzilla... vs six and a half years without killing a single predator.
Now, I have to sit around for a year, before I can hunt again? [Roll Eyes]

Phooey!

Deer are stupid. Or at least stupider than me.

Predators are smarter.

LB,

Isn't it successful predator hunters that are the more knowledgeable, among hunters?

It's rare that I sit by a campfire and feel like one of the "more knowledgeable hunters" in the group... unless I am alone. [Razz]

Krusty

P.S. Smithers,

I do understand your enthusiasm, that's the same way I feel about trappers.

[ August 02, 2007, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ]

Posted by canine (Member # 687) on August 02, 2007, 11:38 AM:

Smithers, If you could come down and get them to do all that. Damn sure don't do it at night, let us know and we'll film it. [Big Grin]

That sounds like a good idea anyhow, plan a weekend trip this year and come on down and go hunting with us, I am only 2 hours south of the Michigan border. Just leave your blue and yellow clothes at home [Razz]

Welcome anytime.

Krusty,
If I had the money to fly out there and kill a coyote I would. Them pictures you posted a while back looked to me like some good callin country. Were rather big on shotgunnin coyotes ever since that deadcoyote load came out.
You kinda posted how I feel about deer hunting also. Too easy! Turkey hunting is fun though, but they aren't smart. Wether they are henned up or not will make or break a season. The closest thing I could compare to coyote callin would be cow callin in a big bull elk.

JD

Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on August 02, 2007, 01:59 PM:

Good grief Krusty,
6 1/2 years without being able to call in and kill a coyote. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but if it were me, I think I would treck down to AZ, get a really big cooler full of beer or something and look up one of those AZ posters. If that didn't work, I'd sell the coyote equipment take up fishing, or something different.

I'm just a novice, but I really enjoyed my hunts in AZ. Much better coyoting than where I normally hunt.

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 02, 2007, 01:59 PM:

Deer hunting is indeed too easy IF we are talking about shooting them with rifles. Take up the bow and arrow and we are in a whole different ball park. It takes a good hunter to be successful every year with the old stick and string. I gave it up a long time ago because calling coyotes is even MORE of a challenge. [Cool]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 02, 2007, 02:13 PM:

Now, sure as shit, I make this statement and some nimrod is going to wade in with a contrary opinion. BUT.

I think it's rediculous to consider hunting mule deer in the Sierra Nevada's with archery equipment. For the vast majority.

Great sport for Pennsylvania, sitting in a tree stand, bored to death.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by furhvstr (Member # 1389) on August 02, 2007, 03:18 PM:

From the desk of Nimrod Pakman-
Not rediculous to chase deer in the Sierras. At least on the east side which is the side I am familiar with. Plenty of guys intimate with the herds spot and stalk bucks every year. Killed a nice 3 point that way several years ago. Rediculous is bowhunting d-17, 100 degree temps and no deer.
What I think is absolutly rediculous is these guys hunting coyotes around here in 105 plus temps in the summertime. Makes no sense to me at all. Just dont see how that could be fun at all.
Skinning or not varmint hunting is a cold wintertime activity to me.
Calling scrawnny hairless pup of it's mama in August sure don't seem like it would be too rewarding to me.
My opinion of course, respectfully submitted.

[ August 02, 2007, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: furhvstr ]

Posted by furhvstr (Member # 1389) on August 02, 2007, 03:36 PM:

On the subject of predator hunters in general I think they become more obsessed with their craft than a lot of other hunters. I think it has to do with their most common prey (the coyote) being such a challenging and complex species. Similar to guys that focus on big deer and trophy elk. They tend to distance themselves from the crowd. We love to talk about our craft but I have never met any successful hunters very loose lipped about their hunting grounds.
Personaly big game hunting has become such a rich mans sport, at least for a Ca. boy, if I am gonna take time off work I sure aint gonna spend a couple grand on tags, gas, lodging and such to pull the trigger once or twice. I can spend the same time away and MAKE MONEY hunting and trapping and get to harvest dozens of animals each year.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 02, 2007, 03:56 PM:

I was refering to the eastern Sierra, Mercer. Places I know, you cannot spot and stalk mule deer very successfully al all, (Bill Murray voice: you crazy nimrod you!)

Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on August 02, 2007, 05:10 PM:

Take up the bow and arrow and we are in a whole different ball park. It takes a good hunter to be successful every year with the old stick and string.

This is very true, Mr. Cronk. Getting a mature buck with a bow is darn near an impossible feat in many states.
I still go out for deer 3-4 times a year for the hell of it and try calling them in during the rut. Getting a nice buck to run your way coming in to a call is one of the biggest thrills you'll ever get. They do some damn crazy things when it's time to shake the sheets.
Edited to add:
Canine, I may just take you up on that offer. But I will be wearing a full U of M football uniform the entire time. [Smile]

[ August 02, 2007, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 02, 2007, 07:03 PM:

I bow hunted for several years after rifle hunting became too easy. Took six deer in six years, one of which was a mature doe at less than eight yards as she walked by with her two nearly full grown fawns. She was on big time guard and I consider her to be one of the wariest trophy deer I ever took. As far as bucks, every one I killed was average for that period of time in KS, but by today's standards, not so much.

Now, as far as being able to stalk hunt mulies in western terrain, I have a story (yes, I'm gonna tell another story) that can be told now because the statute of limitations has come and gone. LOL

In '92, I went to my uncle's in Cortez, CO, to hunt mule deer during their third season. My uncle and his brothers own a canyon right above Yellow Jacket Canyon and six miles due north of the back side of Mesa Verde. It had been an unseasonably warm fall thus far (this was Halloween weekend) and he told me to take any buck I saw because I might not get another chance. They just weren't moving down yet with no snow up high.

Anyway, they have a meadow right above their canyon that is 385 yards, corner to corner, surveyed. I was sitting in one corner with a .270. A buck appeared walking up the far side to my left. I could see him thru the binos, but not through the scope. When I finally did get him in the crosshairs, he was about ten yards from that far corner. Crap! I shot, he reared up, turned, and disappeared. Three smaller forkies came out of the pinions at the far end and ran towards me, stopping at about 150 yards. As tempting as it was to tag out on one of them, I knew I had to check my hit on the first one.

Now, I'd been bowhunting whitetails for about five years by now, and calling coyotes since I was about 8, so I'd asked my uncle what the chances were that I could stalk/ still hunt my mulie, and he said he didn't know anyone that could pull it off consistently.

As I moved to work my way around the meadow just inside the cover of the surrounding pinions, I doffed the orange gear and donned my hood, camo gloves and made the last hundred yards on my belly in full camo, contrary to CO law at the time. When I got clear to the north end, I looked at where the back had been standing and there was nothing. I heard something move on the other side of a pinion bush and I slowly pushed a couple branches away and there stood my buck on the other side, bloody side and all. I slipped the rifle through the bush, shot him in the shoulder, he went about fifty yards and piled up.

My uncle came up from the bottom of the canyon to see what was going on and, by then, I already had him tagged and gutted. he asked me about those two shots. I told him where the buck was standing at first and he said he'd estimate that as a good 375 yards. I then took him to where the scuff marks in the baked ground showed he'd been standing when I took the second shot. Then, I walked him around that bush to where one of my gloves lay from when I laid there to take the shot. He paced it off with his mouth hanging open. 11 yards. He admitted that he'd never seen anyone crawl that close to a mulie before. I had to tell him that mulies got nothing on whitetails when it comes to wariness, IMO, but my experience is limited. he still tells me that was a helluva long shot, and an even better stalk shot that day. I have to credit my predator hunting experience for being able to make that crawl and stay hidden.

Okay, that's all. I'm done rambling for tonight. Just my .02.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 02, 2007, 07:19 PM:

Lance! Byron found your password!

Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 02, 2007, 07:30 PM:

quote:
made the last hundred yards on my belly in full camo

Knowing your physical dimensions, that deer probably thought you were just a big turtle.

Lucky you didn't get tipped over on your back!

Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on August 02, 2007, 07:34 PM:

hahahhahahah = Tim that was good.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 02, 2007, 08:24 PM:

hahahhahahah = Tim that was good.

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 03, 2007, 06:56 AM:

Sorry Lance,.... but that was good.
[Big Grin]

Posted by tlbradford (Member # 1232) on August 03, 2007, 08:43 AM:

I think a little coffee came out my nose.

Seriously though, you can get pretty close to mule deer in wide open space by crouching down and "doing the Higgin's shuffle". The only difference is you need to walk directly at the deer, no horizontal movement, and move when they are looking away or have their head down. Muleys are pretty curious animals. Of course you may get close to them this way, but would not have any chance to draw a bow. To do that you need to get close totally undetected.

[ August 03, 2007, 08:44 AM: Message edited by: tlbradford ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 03, 2007, 09:06 AM:

I think we need Mercer (furharvester) in here to tell us how to do it?

Of course, bow season, the bucks aren't spooked by rifle shots and there are far fewer nimrods in the woods. It's probably way easier than I imagined?

Good hunting. LB

PS I can't tell if Tim means that Lance has one of those rump roast, corn fed Kansas butts, or he means after being tiped over on his back, he is referencing Lance's "coyote hunter" belly? It seems to be a common affliction among predator hunters, with no provable link to beer drinking?

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 03, 2007, 09:31 AM:

quote:
Of course, bow season, the bucks aren't spooked by rifle shots and there are far fewer nimrods in the woods.

Actually there are far more nimrods in the woods at that time. You should look up nimrod in your Funk and Wagnell. [Smile]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 03, 2007, 10:45 AM:

Oh please, Higgins! I do not use words that I don't understand.

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 05, 2007, 07:02 AM:

Hell, Tim, even I thought that one was funny! [Wink]

Maybe since you're feeling better, you oughtta get out and find something to do with your time besides digging on me. Maybe?

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 05, 2007, 07:06 AM:

quote:
Nimrod was in fact a Biblical figure -- the great-grandson of Noah. He was a haughty king who declared himself a "mighty one in the earth," founded the great city of Babylon, and presided over the construction of the mythical Tower of Babel. Nimrod was also a renowned hunter, though at least one source we found claimed his game of choice was not animals but men, whom he would enslave upon capture. Whatever his prey, his name became synonymous with a skilled hunter.

- American Heritage dictionary

Where do you find the time to learn this crap, Rich? You must just kill at Trivial Pursuit.

hey Leonard,

Can you change my ranking to Nimrod Senior Administrator?

[ August 05, 2007, 07:07 AM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 05, 2007, 08:22 AM:

I suppose I could;IF.....

I thought you were worthy? I'll think about it.

PS I am familiar with the meaning of Nimrod, and who he was and where he is mentioned-old news.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on August 05, 2007, 05:50 PM:

Leonard, didn't you and Nimrod pal around when you were young? [Big Grin]

It is rumored that you were so close as friends that you let him call you LenBo. Anyone else that called you that got a round house to the lips. It is rumored, that's alls I'm sayin'. [Smile]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 05, 2007, 06:41 PM:

John Henry's the only man big enough to call me LenBo. He beat me two out of three falls leg rassling, and that's what he wished for. But, I was drunk.

Good hunting. LB

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