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Leonard
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posted May 26, 2007 12:35 AM
Dwarf 'Hogzilla'?
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posted May 26, 2007 05:22 AM
Leonard. I guess out on a limb, has become home for me. If this Hog is truly as big as the picture shows, then he is a Bar and not a Boar. If you notice they never refer to the hog in this picture a Bore.
As a scorer for Wild Bore Usa. I would not score him. If I am right he is not even one generation away from the feed pen.
The longer hogs are wild the longer there heads and snout become. Notice how short both are on this animal.
We are trying to set up a World wide scoring system for both Boars and Bars. We have a formula that has been worked out where we take the weight and tusk length. It sounds complicated, but it gives weight to the tusk length, and tusk length to the weight.
True wild Boars are constantly fighting. About as brutal a fight as you will see out off a animal on this continent. It is vary rare to find a Bore with unbroken tusk.
It is my opinion that this was a Bar was raised in a pen for the express purpose that he is fulfilling now.
We defiantly score wild bars, but this animals head and snout indicates he has never rooted for a meal in his life.
This is a wild Bar. See the difference in the snout and head?. He was probaly cut at a very young age.
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posted May 26, 2007 08:06 AM
"We are trying to set up a World wide scoring system for both Boars and Bars"
VH, so now we are gonna have 'shooter' hogs and 'nonshooter' hogs?
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posted May 26, 2007 08:26 AM
CrossJ. I am not qualified to answer you're question. I have never seen a non shooter hog. As my rancher put it" If it is a hog and it's breathing on my place. Your job is to stop it from breathing". Sorry I could not help with you're question.
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Tim Behle
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posted May 26, 2007 09:03 AM
Ronnie,
One of the largest farmers that I used to trap for always told me that "If it eats on my property and I can't sell it, your job is to kill it"
I killed a lot of critters for Old Charlie.
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posted May 26, 2007 09:50 AM
Tim. You summed up what I do perfectly. Since 98% of Texas is private, you have to do what the land owner wont's done.
I got a call last month to come shoot a 1800 pound Bull. He had razed it from a calf pup and wonted someone else to be the trigger man.
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posted May 26, 2007 10:37 AM
It sure appears that kid is posing typically, and is probably sitting five feet behind that damned thing, at least to my eye?
I don't know why some hunters do that, if that hog is really 1,000 pounds, he could perch right on top of it, and it would still look huge.
I agree with Ronnie, that looks like a pen raised animal to me, a Berkshire to be exact.
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George Ackley
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posted May 26, 2007 12:24 PM
V.H
I always give harvest hogs a good look over before they make there way to be skinned and quartered,
You are right when you say big nasty boars have bad tusk,and if they are that big they sometimes stink bad and you will find large wounds from fighting that are festering.
I hunt a couple ranches were they( do not) manage the hog for trophies or table fair . So they are not trapped and castrated then realest like they do on some clubs I hunt in Florida
Every time we harvest a big hog with a big old set of teeth more times then not you will find he is incapable
of breeding or rutting. we found many hogs with big tusk to be missing 1 testicle or both.
Do you find a lot of this???
it's not always the norm though,, this year i had a hunter shoot a really large sow and after we walked up on it to are surprise was a monster boar standing off to the right about 30 yards , and in no hurry to leave.
all I could think was she was in heat and he has been following her... but he had a really good set of teeth.
he just wouldn't leave her.
I am not really knowledgeable on hogs and would like to know your thought on it..
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posted May 26, 2007 12:41 PM
That's an interesting point, Vic. I went back and looked at it, and you might be right, the kid might not be leaning against the animal? Another thing, having helped pose trophys for a photo, that must have required quite an effort (how many men) to roll him and prop him up so pretty?
Good hunting. LB
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posted May 26, 2007 02:53 PM
George. I have never run into what you are talking about. All the old time hog hunters clam that bores try to castrate each other. They always said this is why a bore's testacies are located up high on the back end, so he can back up against a tree and protect them. I hunted some with dogs when I was young, never cared much for it. When the Dogs bayed you would usually find the bore backed up to a tree.
I am amassed that yawl shot a sow in heat and had a big bore just stand there. I would have been slinging a lot of large lead at him or profusely apologizing for intruding on his party. The situation you are describing, is were things get bad in a hurry.
I have seen both Horses and Dogs killed in a matter of seconds. My really stupid Uncle had to have nine operations to get both his arms working. He crawled in on a wounded hog while everyone was telling him to wait for it to bleed out. The bore met him head on. He trough his arms up in a defensive position. It looked like he had been worked over by a crowd of head hunters with machetes.
Leonard and AZ. I haven't figured out the selling point on this Hog yet. The 500 S & W is well proven. They must have come up with a Hog chirp they wont to con everyone into buying. Yelp that's what it sounds like to me.
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posted May 26, 2007 03:17 PM
If you would measure across the top of the hogs ear,it is wider than the kids body and arms.The ear of the hog would almost cover 3/4 of the 'upper half' of the boys body.I have a grandson,the same age as the boy in the picture and looks to be the same size. He measurea 16" across the upper part of his body counting the arms.I don't think there is a hog alive with ears that size.I think its another bunch of crap,like'hogzilla.'JMHO
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George Ackley
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posted May 26, 2007 04:25 PM
Varmint hunter
Wow, I never had any trouble seeing them on a dead hog.
But like I said I don't know much about them just what i see in the field,
We have taken some really large hogs on ranches I hunt out side Laredo TX but seldom do we get any upper teeth that are more then 5''
When we take the big guys out they are usually cut and scared up bad from fighting and the teeth are just busted up or worn down.
I don't hunt dogs for hog ether But my family down Florida that's all they do. they ketch castrate and release at there hunt clubs, just to kill them at a later date..
As for the big boar that wouldn't leave,
We took him also ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted May 26, 2007 04:56 PM
George, We catch, mark, castrate and release here also. The hogs will remain in a tighter range when this takes place. They will then be easier to find to work young dogs on, or to fill a BBQ pit.
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George Ackley
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posted May 26, 2007 05:17 PM
Cross
Do you think they don't move far off because of the castration?
meaning they don't go into rut and will not wonder off for sow's
If they don't rut then there is no need for the heavy growth of tissue on the sholder then.
Will castration stop this also?
If they don't rut they would be non aggressive, witch always lead me to believe that's why some have really good tusk. I thought if they don't fight they can't brake then up.
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posted May 26, 2007 10:17 PM
George, I think lack of sex drive is what cures the wandering. Also, the age of the boar castrated will determine weather the heavy 'shoulder plate' developes.
If you want really good cutters, at time of castration; cut out or break off the top ivories. It is the grinding together of the tops and bottoms that keep them shorter and very sharp.
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posted May 27, 2007 06:45 AM
thanks for the info cross,
Good huning
George
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posted May 27, 2007 07:40 AM
Snopes.com says the photo is real but size of the hog is off quite a lot.
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Leonard
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posted May 27, 2007 09:00 AM
I have no idea how this is done? What? You trap the critter, confine him, and remove his junk? Or, is he darted? Mmm! Who gets the goodies? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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posted May 27, 2007 10:13 AM
For farm raised pigs we take a electrical side-cutters and clip the teeth when they are a week old. When the pig reaches between 20-40 pounds we then cut out the nuts.. We call them rockie mountain oysters, tastes like shrimp. As for a boar backing up to a wall or tree to protect his package that has been seen here as well. The boar has two week spots, one is the nose and the other is his package. When working with the big boys we usually carry a scoop-shovel. If one decides to make a go at ya we just wack them in the nose or package, it changes their mind real quick.. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Here is a pic of one of my souvenirs from a close encounter.. http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f208/TA17Rem/IMG_0815.jpg[/IMG]] 
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posted May 27, 2007 10:17 AM
Leonard, as far as how we did it, we use dogs. We have track and bay dogs to find the hogs. I prefered Blackmouth curs and Catahoulas, or a cross of the two. Some people like a little trail hound in their dogs as well; I personally don't. The dogs would trail a hog and put enough 'pressure' on it to make it 'bay up' and fight. This is were the track/bay dog will keep the hog 'bayed'. Usually, the hogs pick a piece of realestate to make its stand that it feels it has an advantage, thick brush, under a creek bank etc. At this point, we turn loose a catch dog. This dog is commonly a pitbull or pitbull cross. This dog will run in and grab and hold the hog in the jaw area. The hog is now immobil(hopefully). Your hog is now caught, and ready for castration etc. Easy enough.
As far as who gets the pieces parts, well usually the dogs. But if you want, I'll look into saving you some; personally I prefere calf fries. LOL
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posted May 27, 2007 10:40 AM
LB,,
I know it's been said I show a lot of photos and have 100s of them and some don't like me showing them..
so if this is to much you can remove
You get the gravy and I supply you with all the testes you like pal
this guy would need a wall to back up against to protect that sack
once you get a hold of a hogs back legs i find they are controllable
It's always been more fun getting live javelina out of coyote snares
boy they can snap there teeth
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posted May 27, 2007 11:20 AM
Thanks for the info, Gentlemen. I was just asking, I wouldn't eat those things on a bet. So, they are cornered, your dog grabs the snout, and somebody walks up and cuts their nuts? They just stand around behaving, while somebody saws the tusks?
So, are they decent eating, after "removal" or would you rather kill a girl pig?
Good hunting. LB
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posted May 27, 2007 11:36 AM
It requires more than just a little sweet talkin' to convince them to hold still, but as George said, if pick them up by their back feet you can handle them fairly easy. The larger hogs get 'hogtied' in order to make them immobil. The younger hogs are better eating than an old rank boar. The best is a younger hog taken alive and fed corn in a pen for about ten days.
'Wouldn't try it even on a dare', aw come on lol.
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posted May 27, 2007 12:19 PM
I love eating wild hog!!
but like cross said there is hogs for the table and hogs for the wall,,
I like them from 25 lb to about 85 lb for the table. they really truly are good groceries
HOGS THAT IS , NOT THE TESTIES
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posted May 27, 2007 03:17 PM
Not eating the mountain oysters????
Next you guys will be claiming that crawdads aren't any good.
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