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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2007, 10:04 AM:
We've heard all the dire predictions for years. Chicken Little (Al Gore) and his band of merrymen "scientists" breathlessly informing us and ordering us to do something, even if it's wrong....but wait; thirty years ago, those usual suspects were predicting a coming ICE AGE?
Posted by Barndog (Member # 255) on April 06, 2007, 12:20 PM:
The earth is getting warmer. Al Gore's data is correct in what he presents in his mockumentry. However just like a politician he has it backwards. The Earth warms and then the CO2 level rises. Not the way Gore presents it. Gore says CO2 rises then the temerature rises.
This is what really happens.
The Earths warming is directly related to sun spots. So to keep it simple for those of you who are not scientific minded. Sun gets hotter than normal, earth gets hotter than normal, CO2 level rises. Can we do something about it.
Sure PRAY and ask God to turn the heat down.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2007, 12:35 PM:
What about if we stop using hair spray?
BTW, this poll, approved by Brad Norman, is Fair and Ballanced!
[ April 06, 2007, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 06, 2007, 12:42 PM:
I would say, just from what I see, the earth must be warming some. Save this winter, we have been warmer, for the most part. (Although its hard to say this today, April and 20 degrees out.) Some global warming is welcome, as far as Im concerned. If we could have some global humidity drop to go with it, I wouldnt be wanting to move to AZ so bad.
I think man has very little, if any, impact on the change. I think its a cycle and I doubt there is a damned thing we can do about it. I wont worry myself too much about it. I do however, worry about dickheads like Gore spouting his BS and worry that he may be in a position of power and cost a bunch of undue cash to all of us. One volcano blows up releases more CO2 than all of us put together in a lifetime. The earth plates are shifting alot, hence alot of earthquakes and volcanos, most under the ocean. This is going to cause the water to warm and affect weather a great deal.
I could go on and on. Im actually sick of this BS. I guess maybe Im the ignorant one, thats always a chance, but from all I can see, its going to take a lot to convince me this is anything more than a earth cycle.
Sunspots. I hadnt heard or thought about that. That could very well be.
As for the poll, LB, I voted the way I did because there wasnt an option for what I just said, or at least I didnt interpret it that way making it a trick pop quiz. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2007, 12:50 PM:
Updated:2007-04-06 14:15:11
Scientists Issue Grim Global Warming Report
Climate Change Raises Risk of Species Extinction
By ARTHUR MAX
AP
BRUSSELS, Belgium (April 6) -- The world faces increased hunger and water shortages in the poorest countries, massive floods and avalanches in Asia, and species extinction unless nations adapt to climate change and halt its progress, according to a report approved Friday by an international conference on global warming .
Hey Andy, while you and I have a few doubts, our Plucky Scientists are positive. Surprisingly, they also (for the first time) claim that NO additional studies are needed? Nobody saw that coming!
Posted by Brad Norman (Member # 234) on April 06, 2007, 01:09 PM:
Leonard, I like the term "fair and balanced" better.
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on April 06, 2007, 01:35 PM:
I'm going with the inventer of the internet on this one. He and I discussed it, back when we were inventing the internet, and I promised I would swear to it when he said it. How about that.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2007, 02:08 PM:
Excellent, I'll add it right now. LB
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 06, 2007, 02:46 PM:
Personally, I like warm globes.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2007, 03:10 PM:
As does every red blooded American! Will they float, will they float!
Good hunting. LB
(we are probably the only two that get it)
Posted by Dusty Hunter (Member # 1031) on April 06, 2007, 04:12 PM:
My wife and I went to a seminar on astronomy where the speaker who has worked over his entire 30 year career on temperature changes on earth from centuries ago until now said there did not appear to be a big fluctuation, as is now being touted. He also said that the Clean Air Act has actually made a slight increase on the temperature of earth because there are less particles in the air to filter the sunlight. Anyway, I think the Creator intended a little global warming or we would still be in the Ice Age.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on April 06, 2007, 04:15 PM:
I get it Leonard, and I'm all in favor of warm Globes myself. Although I've never seen anything wrong with cold globes in a tight t-shirt.
But this Global warming is all caused by farting cows.
We need to eat more cows and help to save the world. I vow to do my part, one Prime Rib at a time!
Posted by Buffalobob (Member # 825) on April 06, 2007, 06:11 PM:
A couple of things to think about.
1. DDT has been banned for decades. Why do the fish in all of the states in the Mississippi drainage and eastward have high levels of DDT?
2. What causes polar bear mothers to have low birth weight cubs?
3. What happens if you are right about there being no global warming?
4. What happens if you are wrong and it could have been prevented?
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 06, 2007, 06:27 PM:
Buffalogore, what? you don`t like warm globes?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2007, 06:57 PM:
Bob, have you heard the facts that because the enviros and their governments browbeat tropical countries to quit using DDT, millions of people have needlessly died from malaria? What a success story that has been. Wow, the birds are responding.
That's what disgusts me about the animal rights wackos, always at the expense of humans, it's always black or white, no middle ground, never negotiate.
We really need to think about exactly what we can do to grind the Industrial Revolution to a halt, and what actual benefit will be derived from living in log cabins and chopping firewood, except the NAZI's will decide that can't be allowed, either. Gotta save the friggin' trees.
Then too, knowledgeable, less hysterical scientific people suggest that if we are on a natural cycle, and a warming trend; that Gore has overstated the projected effects by a factor of a thousand percent, for the next one hundred years.
Polor bears are doing quite nicely, by the way. (look it up) What is supposed to be the implication of "low birthweight"?
I just have to shake my head at the realization that liberals believe mankind can control the global environment.
Good hunting. LB
edit: oops! I might have given away how I voted?
[ April 06, 2007, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on April 06, 2007, 08:08 PM:
TimB - I'm with you cold and perky.......
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 06, 2007, 11:15 PM:
Cold & perky will do also.
Leonard, I agree totally.
Buffalo-AL, where are the facts? not liberal media hysteria, facts. Can you explain why Co2 levels don`t correlate with the warming trends?
Burden of proof will be the death of all you liberals in the end.
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 07, 2007, 04:44 AM:
Anyone watch the Inconvenient Truth? I did on HBO out of curiosity. I thought I was gonna cry. NOT!! What a joke.
I get a kick out of Gore and the far left, including Hollywood, telling us what to do. While its fine for them to cruise in private planes, SUV convoys, ect.... Oh, but Gore sold his Zinc mine before making the movie. Made a half a billion off of it and now the CO2 can be blamed on someone else. Aint that kewl.
Oh, and according to Gore, you can use all the carbon fuel you want, as long as you buy carbon credits. What they are, I have no fuckin idea. But you buy them and they offset the bad crap you shoot in the air. And guess who owns the company that $ells the carbon credits? Al Gore. Aint that kewl? He uses private planes, has three big assed houses, big cars and SUVs, makes movies about how we should live like it was the 1800s again and hes justifying it by buying "carbon credits" from himself. What a country!!
Buffalo, I have an inclination to give you a pass on alot of things, despite your fukced views on politics, and thats what this is, politics, due to your military service. My mothers family are long lines of military service and I have always held the highest respect. My grandfather was a true patriot. He caught the last of WWII, all of Korea and two tours in Vietnam. Although your one of the very few true blue ones that turned out so far off on politics. But your way off on this. Its another money scheme and chicken little scheme dreamed up to try and steal the thunder away from the fear of terrorism. The liberals are too weak on defense, pussies actually, so they gotta have their own sky is falling crisis. They dont have a real one.
[ April 07, 2007, 04:45 AM: Message edited by: Andy L ]
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on April 07, 2007, 07:07 AM:
All through the late 60's and 70's it was:
"we are headed for a global ICE AGE" for crying out loud! Sure didnt see that one happen.
I guess there must be alot of DDT floating down the Potomac too, as it has screwed up alot of peoples brains back there.
You want to worry about something, you better worry about this!
[Dwindling Honeybee Population in US Puzzles Scientists
By David McAlary
Washington
29 March 2007
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Scientists looking into the dramatic decline of the honeybee population in the United States say they are baffled by the developments. But they told the U.S. Congress Thursday the drop is threatening the production of a significant portion of the U.S. food supply that relies on honeybee pollination. VOA's David McAlary reports.
The drop in the U.S. honeybee population began last October. U.S. Agriculture Department official Caird Rexroad says beekeepers across the continent began reporting unexplained losses of 30 to 90 percent of their colonies.
"If you notice when you walk through the clover in the yard barefoot, you'll no longer be stung by a honeybee," he said. "It's very unfortunate."
Getting stung is no pleasure, but to hear Rexroad tell it, it is a far lesser evil than the loss of the honeybees. He told the House of Representatives Agriculture Committee the collapse threatens a $15 billion segment of the U.S. farm economy that relies on pollination. Especially hard hit are growers of almonds and other nuts, berries, fruits, and vegetables.
"These outbreaks of unexplained colony collapse pose a threat to the pollination industry, the production of commercial honey, and the production of at least 30 percent of our nation's crops," he added. "Furthermore, with pests and diseases of bees increasing over the last few decades, we have reached critical point for the bee industries."
Rexroad and other scientists cannot explain the precipitous bee decline. Their main suspect is the verroa mite, a bug that invaded the United States in the 1980s. U.S. Agriculture Department research has found the mites kill bees by feeding on them, transmit viruses, and have become resistant to many insecticides.
But other possibilities include pesticides or other environmental toxins, migratory or hive stress that weakens bees' immune systems, and various viruses and bacteria.
Pennsylvania State University bee expert Diana Cox-Foster is part of a study group uniting several national and state scientists who are analyzing bees, wax, honey and pollen from more than 100 colonies across the country to seek clues to the insects' demise. She says that whatever the cause, the country needs a new breed of honeybees to overcome the present challenges.
"The working group recognizes the importance of trying to breed honeybees that are more resistant to diseases and the impacts of parasites," she said. "Developing new genetic strains of bees may be essential to the future of beekeeping."
The United States is not alone in honeybee loss. Cox-Foster and others told Congress that Canada and parts of Europe are also experiencing unexplained honeybee death, but they do not know if it is part of the same phenomenon.
"I know it is a growing problem," she added. "This is a global issue and being recognized as a problem."
Beekeeper David Ellington from the north central U.S. state of Minnesota says the crisis shows how little is known about honeybee biology and his industry. He complained to the lawmakers that the business gets much less research support from government and academia than regular agriculture, and many of his colleagues are about to give up.
"If there is a glimmer of hope that we could, in some manner, improve the lot of beekeepers, the atmosphere of this industry would be greatly improved and we would see new, younger beekeepers moving in," he said.]
This is going to cause far more long reaching problems for mankind than any so called global warming.
Geez!
Steve
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 07, 2007, 07:36 AM:
I just saw a list of the top ten "greenhouse gas" producers on the planet. Man, ranked around eighth....right behind inscets in the production of that nasty, global warming gas stuff. The ocean,volcanoes,cattle and termites all ranked way above what man spits into the air.
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on April 07, 2007, 08:12 AM:
So whats all this mean? The Earth is going to turn into a Gaint Fart ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 07, 2007, 08:55 AM:
What does it all mean? If you think about it for a moment, what it means is that Liberal Democrats are so focused on the blame game that they have no problem with universal and global dishonesty. Anything to advance their political and philosophical agendas. Ethics? What's that? Religion? That's a joke; unless you mean some weird space cadet Scientology Cult? Animal rights reign supreme, but the rights of the unborn are not recognized. Huh?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by blakyote (Member # 1064) on April 07, 2007, 09:24 AM:
quote:
Perhaps we suspect changes in climate due to greenhouse gases, but mankind is powerless to do anything about it
I think this is it.We don't live long enough to see the earths life cycle,and I believe thats all it is and man won't beable to do a damn thing about it.The Earth or universe doesn't go by policies,or laws,it just goes on doing what it's been doing since the beginning of time.But I guess thats to much of a logical explaination for the Libs. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
[ April 07, 2007, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: blakyote ]
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 07, 2007, 09:49 AM:
One other thing I get a kick out of on this joke. The impact on weather. One hurricane in our lifetime hits New Orleans. It was a bad one. But be real. These people are living BELOW SEA LEVEL. Have you ever been there? Not only are you below sea level to the south, your below a HUGE lake to the east and the Mississippi to the west. Damn. Thats insane in itself.
Anyhow, the global warming crew got the hurricane forcasters fired up and last year was supposed to see the highest number and the most violent hurricanes in history. With something like 7 hitting the US and 1-2 the gulf coast. They were geared up. I think we had one tropical storm go up the west bank of Florida? Now this year, they are hedging their bet and calling for basically the same as last year. I got news for em, they better hope the damned currents from Africa to Greenland change or they will have egg on their faces again.
I was near Jackson MS 4 days after the hurricane hit New Orleans. That was a sad site. They got hit that far inland, hard. We were after a guy but had hell with no hotels, lines with gas rations, ect... It was a hell of a trip. Then last summer, I had to go to New Orleans 4 times. ( Its been a hotspot for skips to run. Lots of repair jobs paying cash off the grid. ) Its still a shithole down there. What puzzles me is why would anyone want to live below sea level? And if that tragedy happened, why would you go back?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 07, 2007, 10:00 AM:
Well, I can't explain it, Andy, but it has been done before. Venice, has the canals. The Netherlands...hmmm? canals, too? I have been to Amsterdam a couple of times; they flush the sea water out every week and refill the canals.
Now, whether this is all worth the effort, or not? I can't say. The cost to bullet-proof New Orleans is okay with the left and doubtful, on the right.
Good hunting. LB
edit: meanwhile, your tax dollars are being spent to protect the Malibu Beach Colony's Billionaires from rising surf....
[ April 07, 2007, 10:02 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 07, 2007, 10:00 AM:
Andy, they go back because they`re lawless.
As far as globes being warm & all that, it is painfully obvious to me that if there was no money to be made everyone of these lying pukes would disappear, especially Gore.
As far as folks like Buffalobob, you`ve just been decieved Bob, you`re an easy target for them since you`ve already bought most of their other lies, this one isn`t really much of a stretch, in other words......you`ve been Buffaloed...Bob!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 07, 2007, 10:04 AM:
JD, that is the sickest signature line on Huntmasters!
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on April 07, 2007, 10:08 AM:
I've been watching the weather here, in the last couple of months it has warmed up and I believe its going to get warmer. So there is something to this warming thingy. How about that. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 07, 2007, 10:36 AM:
Yes, that pretty much sums up the argument. Every event tends to prove your theory, if you spin correctly.
Good hunting. LB
how about that?
By the way, if we ever have a shooting event consisting of Huntmasters members, you will need to be lucky AND GOOD to beat this crowd; no pushovers. Dave, I'm betting on Dave!
[ April 07, 2007, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on April 07, 2007, 10:39 AM:
"We really don't know, but Al Gore (well known for inventing the Internet, and true winner of the 2000 Presidential election)does, and intends to save us from drowning, due to melting icecaps"
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27 percent of us have voted THAT way so far?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 07, 2007, 10:45 AM:
Rich, all the bottom response says is that Crusader Gore is convinced, and is raising a ruckus about it despite ample evidence to the contrary.
Key phrase: "We don't really know."
[ April 07, 2007, 10:46 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on April 07, 2007, 11:04 AM:
Thanks for clearing that up for me Leonard.
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on April 07, 2007, 11:16 AM:
Cool.
What do you have in mind?
[ April 08, 2007, 09:06 PM: Message edited by: Dan Carey ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 07, 2007, 11:44 AM:
Shit, I have half a mind to show up for a grudge match at 3 corners. You ain't that good, Dan. Or, you wouldn't be crowing about it? And, besides; anybody can be beat.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 07, 2007, 11:44 AM:
Global warming: I don't see it happening here to much. We seem to run a little short on snow fall dureing the winter, most of the snow went south of me or farther north. Last summer we got rain at least once a week and the 100 degree temps only for a few days. Right now its 27 degree's, it should be in the 60's and 70's.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 07, 2007, 11:55 AM:
I take it that Dan and Tim B. shoot for best groups in there matches. I like to shoot for best score at 100 or 200 yds. It also seems that the winners of most shooting events changes from year to year. You feeling lucky Leonard? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on April 07, 2007, 12:18 PM:
We can shoot at clay birds at a 1000 as that's a challenge that will separate, the rifle shooters from the shit shooters.
[ April 08, 2007, 09:07 PM: Message edited by: Dan Carey ]
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 07, 2007, 12:20 PM:
Leonard, what`s wrong with my sig line? Think about it, we could feed a hundreds of the worlds hungry & rid the airwaves of her constant oinking.
A huntmasters shooting event would be cool, maybe you should arrange a little shoot at the campout, only with moving targets at 100-200yds, shooting freehand.
If you do, I`m putting my money on Vic, rumor has it that a finer rifleman does not exist.
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on April 07, 2007, 12:23 PM:
TA, we shoot for best group and best score. You can shoot the best group and worst score and not win. So hitting the bulls eye is very important. Besides, I'm a varmint hunter at heart so pin point accuracy is very important to me.
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 07, 2007, 12:28 PM:
I wanna see Dan put Vic in his place with pistols.
Im with you LB. Usually the really good ones dont crow. Not usually, always. Notice Dave and Vic havent said shit.
I wasnt there due to ice, but I heard there was alot of crowing going on at JHs in January as well.
How about that.
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on April 07, 2007, 12:32 PM:
That's right you weren't there.
[ April 08, 2007, 09:08 PM: Message edited by: Dan Carey ]
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 07, 2007, 12:55 PM:
Well, Im not wanting to insult you. But I would like to see something. How about posting some links to these world records? Surely they are online? Most everything is online now. How about that.
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 07, 2007, 12:57 PM:
Oh, and if you didnt tell anyone about your past, how the hell did I know of your record brags even not being there? How about that.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 07, 2007, 12:57 PM:
Dan; Yes i'm familar with the type of shooting you do. I started shooting I.B.S. last year in the custom class. Five targets, one shot each.
I don't have the money or time for building my own rifles so i have SGR custom rifles do my building.Hopefully next year i can have him build me a VFS rifle chambered in the Warewolf cartridge. Good shooting
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on April 07, 2007, 01:03 PM:
Well Andy, maybe they have been on my website. It has some information about the rifles I build as well as the world records. Second hand information usually has a personal tilt to it. You can't please everyone, and maybe I stepped on someones toe's at the rondy. All I can say is I'm crushed someone don't like me. How about that.
www.careycustomrifleco.com
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 07, 2007, 01:04 PM:
I'm sorry, JD. I need to keep my mind out of the gutter.
Good hunting. LB
Dan, I even heard about it. Nobody lik...oh, never mind! We love ya, over here!
[ April 07, 2007, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 07, 2007, 01:20 PM:
Oh, I dont think you stepped on any toes. Just annoying, you know, kinda like shootin your mouth off on here, thats all. I dont think any feelings were hurt, that I know of. Just a strong smell of bullshit in the air.
Thats a nice website with some nice pics of framed documents.
Edit: How about that.
[ April 07, 2007, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: Andy L ]
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 07, 2007, 04:18 PM:
Holy crap Leonard!!!! That IS sick, I guess I`ll have to word it differently. Yuk!! I feel like I need a shower just from thinking about it.
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on April 07, 2007, 04:57 PM:
Where in the world did the concept that gore invented the internet ever come from? that is as big a lie as his campaign promises...
loosing rosie would definitely eliminate alot of hot air, potentially causing a cooling effect... but i am sure someone would quickly take her place.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 07, 2007, 05:11 PM:
Norm, it came from him, he said he did!
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on April 07, 2007, 07:23 PM:
The only thing that came from him was the fact he talked everyone into giving tax dollars to help put a military communication strategy into a public domain... more hot air that everyone bought into.
It will be the same with his energy concepts... our tax dollars putting a windmill on every dang hill top around... guess they may great turkey roosts, but will be as sightly as hemorhoids.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on April 07, 2007, 10:21 PM:
If you guys would like to get together for an 800 yard clay pigeon shoot, then just pick a date and come on over.
I've a dirt tank 805 yards south of my deck, and hitting a clay at that distance, ain't easy. Especially when you do your own spotting.
We can shoot at the clays until we run out of ammo, the put up the rifles, open the coolers and I'll fire up the grill.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 08, 2007, 10:43 AM:
For those too timid to vote but still curious as to how it is going, click here: http://www.huntmastersbbs.com/cgi/cgi-ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll;d=view;pollid=vHrvOtAQqxiD
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on April 08, 2007, 12:50 PM:
"Just a strong smell of bullshit in the air."
Andy L,
I'm just shattered you would say that about anybody.
If you even think I bullshitted you, just put your meager funds where your big mouth is and fill your pockets with my money. That's also known as put up or shut up. That's so plane anyone would understand it. It's very easy to spin the facts to find fault with someone you have never met and will likely never meet. Nonetheless, I heard your name at the rondy and would never repeat anything I heard, much less in an open forum. But then, I'm not trying to put you down for some unknown reason. I had a very good time at the rondy, meet some nice people, shot some coyotes, drank some whiskey. Life is good, then you come along and make me wonder who was nice to my face and ran their mouth behind my back. JH invited me back after the rondy for some hunting, so I think it wasn't him. Could be, it just some BS invented by you? If you should think you have found something I've said, is not 100% true and want to collect on the big bet you're dying to make, I'm easy to find as I don't hide behind a fictional name.
I know, not everyone is shit eating ankle bitter, that's why I love the silent majority. Good Day.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 08, 2007, 01:02 PM:
Thanks for the invitation, Tim. However, I don't think it would be enjoyable. LB
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 08, 2007, 01:15 PM:
Dan, I don`t think that anyone doubts the fact that you can build rifles or shoot like a house-a-fire, you may very well be the best there ever was, the best there is & the best there ever will be, that`s not the problem the issue MAY be that you toot your own horn, loudly & consistently......it really is annoying.....trust me.
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on April 08, 2007, 01:32 PM:
Up to the point I made the comment about whom is worth knowing, I had never mentioned anything about my personal life. I made that comment in jest and Leonard picked up on it and here we are.
[ April 08, 2007, 09:10 PM: Message edited by: Dan Carey ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 08, 2007, 02:55 PM:
No, you got yourself in it by being such a braggart. I was attempting to get the attention of the clueless. Well, I got your attention, but you are still clueless. I will restore your permissions, when I get home, and you can edit your signature as you see fit. It's too bad that you don't understand the problem? This is not a group where you will get away with your attitude. When you act like you know it all, there will inevitably be someone willing to hand you your lunch, so that you may appreciate and understand the concept of humility. Right now, fact is, not many would agree that you are worth knowing.....prove them wrong.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on April 08, 2007, 05:35 PM:
Tim, what kind of pigeon thrower do you have?? I have never seen one of those birds fly 800 yds... my shotgun definitly won't reach them if I have to wait for them to get out that far...
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 08, 2007, 06:16 PM:
That`s too much Norm! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 08, 2007, 08:52 PM:
Permissions restored, Dan Carey
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on April 08, 2007, 09:11 PM:
Thank you!!
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 09, 2007, 05:02 AM:
I was gone a couple days. Dan, I dont doubt you. All that needs said has been said. I was just referring to the chest thumping and crowing. As for me putting up or shutting up? Im lucky to hit MOC, minute of coyote, at 100yrds let alone clays at 1000. But then again, I dont brag?
I dont think Im alone in not caring for folks that toot their horn that loud. Its bullshit and usually means your full of shit. Like was said before, normally the real deal, you never hear from.
Your not a trapshooter are ya?
Posted by Barndog (Member # 255) on April 09, 2007, 07:04 AM:
I don't know about the rest of ya but if I had some world titles I might brag just a little. OK I'd pound my chest so loud that Tarzan would be jealous. In fact to prove my point, I just found my niche with the indoor practical shooting and nocked 20 seconds of my time. AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Who's your DADDY!!!!
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on April 09, 2007, 07:31 AM:
Dan Carey, I used to shoot handgun silhouette and smallbore silhouette. I was never good enough to shoot with the "big boys". My hat is off to anyone that can perform that precisely under sustained pressure. Kudos, Sir. I would not have known of your accomplishments if you had not informed us.
I have known several champions who were seemingly modest as long as others touted them. But they expected their due respect and would readily toot their own horn if no one else did. So what? They deserve it.
Congratulations for your records.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 09, 2007, 11:09 AM:
Yeah?
Well, you guys never knew about my drawer full of swimming medals because I'm very modest. I have another drawer full of trophy belt buckles from when I used to compete in contests.
How about that? LB
edit: Vic? You out there?
[ April 09, 2007, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 09, 2007, 12:06 PM:
I'll be damned, you were a swimmer Leonard?
I would never have guessed in a million years. Figured you for football or shot putting or discus....but treading water, never.
Yeah, I have a few special trophies Ive kept to remind me of what I used to be able to do. Guess we are just a bunch of old "has beens" over here:)
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on April 09, 2007, 12:49 PM:
Vic, brag a little. What are your special mementos for? I'd really like to know.
Leonard, what events did you tophy in?
I swam freestyle and butterfly on the city swim team when I was kid.
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on April 09, 2007, 01:16 PM:
well, you know what they say about the boys on the swim team that are always bending over and grabbing their ankles...
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 09, 2007, 02:02 PM:
Oh haha, Norm. That was always restricted to the showers.
Well, there I was upstairs polishing stuff and nobody asked, all Rich wants to see is Vic's trophys; <sniff, sniff>
After all is said and done, all we old farts have is memories. How about that?
Good hunting. LB
[ April 09, 2007, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Barndog (Member # 255) on April 09, 2007, 02:56 PM:
Leonard
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
As I scrolled down with the pictures, I for sure thought you were going to pose with one of those buckles in a speedo.
Thank you for being modest.
Posted by Dusty Hunter (Member # 1031) on April 09, 2007, 04:26 PM:
Leonard, That's an awesome collection. (Damn, aren't you standing a little close to that edge of the Grand Canyon?) Dusty
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 09, 2007, 04:35 PM:
Yeah, Fred, you kept telling us to back up a little more...haha. You took a nice photo, though. Thanks. LB
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 09, 2007, 04:46 PM:
If the earth is warming we didnt cause it and we cant stop it. I remember back in 1974 the big thing was the coming Ice Age what happend I was a bit out of it but I couldnt of missed it completely. as for globes warm or cold and perky I say YES!
PM
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 09, 2007, 05:02 PM:
Looking good Leonard...
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 09, 2007, 05:22 PM:
Nice collection of trophy's Leonard. My trophy room is 5"x5". Filled to the gills with my one trophy.
As far as the global warming issue goes, I believe it is getting warmer. Is it happening because of me or you? Nah. It happened before and we weren't here to cause it so how did it happen then? The sun is relentless. It is just a big cause celeb and a way to get your otherwise shadowed career a boost.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 09, 2007, 06:44 PM:
I bought all that stuff at a garage sale. You guys think I would waste forty years with nothing to show for it but some hardware? That would be pretty stupid.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 09, 2007, 10:21 PM:
Monday, April 09, 2007
By Brit Hume
Now some fresh pickings from the Political Grapevine:
Global Warming Beneficial?
A meteorology professor at the Massachusetts institute of Technology says there is no compelling evidence that global warming will lead to a catastrophe — and in fact might be beneficial.
Richard Lindzen writes in Newsweek: "Much of the alarm over climate change is based on ignorance of what is normal weather and climate. There is no evidence that extreme weather events are increasing…Indeed, meteorological theory holds that, outside the tropics, weather in a warming world should be less variable, which might be a good thing."
Lindzen says most of the current alarm over climate change is based on what he calls "inherently untrustworthy climate models, similar to those that cannot accurately forecast the weather a week from now."
Meanwhile, top hurricane forecaster William Gray of Colorado State University called Al Gore "a gross alarmist" during the closing speech of the National Hurricane Conference in New Orleans.
Gray says the recent increase in strong hurricanes is part of a natural cycle that has nothing to do with global warming. He says Gore is, "doing a great disservice and he doesn't know what he's talking about."
National Security Implications
A bill in the U.S. Senate would require the CIA and the Pentagon to assess the national security implications of global warming.
The Boston Globe reports the bill from Republican Chuck Hagel and Democrat Dick Durbin calls for a National Intelligence Estimate that would pinpoint regions at highest risk of humanitarian suffering and assess the likelihood of wars erupting over diminishing water and other resources.
The Pentagon would be required to undertake a series of war games to determine how global climate change could affect U.S. security.
Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on April 09, 2007, 10:49 PM:
Looks like you nailed it pretty well Leonard.
Jack
Posted by Barndog (Member # 255) on April 10, 2007, 09:39 AM:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/04/us/04drought.html?_r=1&oref=login&oref=slogin
No comment other than water now runs uphill hunderds of miles at the sight of money.
But Why?
http://www.lakelasvegas.com/
The rich need their swimming pools!
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 10, 2007, 10:21 AM:
water has always run up hill. Take the red river for example.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 10, 2007, 11:23 AM:
This subject has been a sore point with me for a long time.
I think unrestricted development is irresponsible. The city of Las Vegas, for instance, has been exceeding their water allocations from Lake Mead for quite a while. They cannot sustain the growth with the resources they are entitled to, presently. Seems logical to me that when there is not enough water, you must scale back all of blowing up casinos just to build a fancier and larger and more luxurious one.....mainly to attract foreigners.
If the solution is to steal water from northern parts of the state, the article is exactly right, that is how present day Los Angeles became the largest metropolitan area west of the Mississippi. Essentially, it is desert, just like Las Vegas. Historically, cities have grown around lakes and rivers.....seems sort of basic?
I still think that computer models should not be the last word in deciding government policies. These Climate NAZI's are full of shit, even if they are right, because they don't really know the causes or the solutions; if they exist?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Barndog (Member # 255) on April 10, 2007, 12:13 PM:
I hear you Leonard. When I lived in Ely I used to drive my kids 90 miles to swim at the public pool in Eureka. We didn't even have a pool (we had a pond in the summer) but they need our water for a fountain or a lake around a golf hole.
A lot of my friends own ranches where this pipeline and ground wells are going. And they are all selling out. Why? 660 acres sold for 5.6 million. Lake Valley ranch 36 million, Roberston ranch 44 million, LDS ranch is offered 55 million, Eldridge place is in the works for over 40 million. Another small ranch in Cave Valley 18 million. Not only do they come out with millions in their pockets they keep farming the place for the city of Las Vegas. Why? Because the city is a good steward of the Land. BS its all the for water.
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on April 10, 2007, 04:50 PM:
quote:
Lindzen says most of the current alarm over climate change is based on what he calls "inherently untrustworthy climate models, similar to those that cannot accurately forecast the weather a week from now."
Exactly my thoughts.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 10, 2007, 05:10 PM:
this just in:
Hold off on those Carbon Credits:
A National Academy of Sciences report says the pine forests of Europe, Siberia and Canada may contribute to global warming because they trap sunlight reflected from snow — making the Earth warmer.
Conventional wisdom is that trees help cool the Earth by absorbing carbon dioxide and giving off moisture that creates clouds. But the report says that is only true for tropical forests. It says some computer models suggest that cutting forests in higher altitudes may reduce global warming.
Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on April 10, 2007, 05:50 PM:
"It says some computer models suggest that cutting forests in higher altitudes may reduce global warming."
That is just to relieve the conscious’ of those who believe this crap but still want a log home that if the logs were cut into conventional lumber could build several homes of equal size. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 13, 2007, 12:06 AM:
Junk Science: Can’t See the Warming for the Trees
Thursday, April 12, 2007
By Steven Milloy
If you need further evidence that hysteria is outpacing science in the global warming debate, consider the study published this week about Northern Hemisphere forests actually causing significant global warming.
Researchers from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory reported in the "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences" (April 17) that while tropical forests exert a cooling influence on global climate, forests in northern regions exert a warming influence — and it’s not just a trivial climatic effect.
Based on the researchers’ computer modeling, forests above 20 degrees latitude in the Northern Hemisphere — that is, north of the line of latitude running through Southern Mexico, Saharan Africa, central India and the southernmost Chinese island of Hainan — will warm surface temperatures in those regions by an estimated 10 degrees Fahrenheit by the year 2100.
Most of the warming is predicted to occur north of 50 degrees latitude — that is, north of the line of latitude running just north of the U.S. border with Canada, through Northern France, Northern Mongolia and Southern Siberia.
As the researchers explained in their media release, forests affect climate in three different ways: they absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and evaporate water to the atmosphere (which increases cloudiness), both of which cool the planet.
Forests are dark and absorb sunlight (the “albedo” effect), warming the planet. In tropical forests, the net effect of these phenomena is cooling, while in Northern forests, the net effect is warming.
Although the media has largely ignored the study, it should give us plenty to think about.
First, it’s a stunning reminder that we still have a very steep learning curve when it comes to climate and how nature and man may impact it. In addition to this study, just over a year ago scientists discovered that plants emit as much as 30 percent of the annual global production of methane, the third most important greenhouse gas after water vapor and carbon dioxide.
Last fall, we learned that 5 years of cosmic ray activity could cause as much warming as 200 years of human greenhouse gas emissions.
It’s no wonder that alarmists want — and need — us to rush to judgment about manmade global warming before scientific discoveries dismantle their shaky polemic.
Next, the United Nations projects that global temperatures may rise anywhere from 2.5 to 10.4 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100. So exactly how does the 10-degree warming caused by Northern forests fit into the picture? Could Northern forests be a (the) major contributor to the supposed problem of global warming?
Then there are the eco-activist groups that have been spreading misinformation about Northern forests in their campaign against businesses that manufacture or sell products made from timber harvested from subarctic, or Boreal, forests.
ForestEthics, for example, claims that “Because the Boreal holds more carbon than any other terrestrial landscape, its conservation is imperative. Degrading the Boreal landscape threatens to transform the Boreal from one of the few healthy ‘lungs of the planet’ into a net climate destabilizer.”
Just last month, ForestEthics issued a report, “Robbing the Carbon Bank: Global Warming and Ontario’s Boreal Forest,” that alleged, “The logging of intact forests is one of Canada’s least recognized drivers of global warming.”
Having completely overlooked the albedo effect in its report, ForestEthics seems to have the net climate effect of Boreal forests exactly wrong. But this hasn’t stopped it from successfully attacking a variety of businesses for selling products made from Northern timber.
ForestEthics has browbeaten a long list of brand-conscious companies into commitments not to use timber from Northern forests including Apple Computer, Dell Computer, Federal Express, Hewlett-Packard, Home Depot, IKEA, Johnson & Johnson, Kinko’s, Lowe’s, Nike, Office Depot, Staples, Starbucks and many others.
ForestEthics’ most recent success came last December at the expense of Limited Brands, which was targeted with the group’s “Victoria’s Dirty Secret” campaign (Victoria Secret’s catalogues used paper made from Northern timber).
After caving in to ForestEthics, the Limited Brand’s Tom Katzemeyer said, “We’re hoping to raise the bar on the availability of environmentally friendly paper and pulp. …”
But how will Limited Brands’ “hope” ever overcome the Boreal’s albedo effect? If global warming is the dreaded catastrophe advertised by the enviros, then Northern forests hardly seem all that eco-friendly insofar as they may cause 10 degrees Fahrenheit of warming by 2100.
Finally, let’s not overlook the scam factor.
For years, global warming opportunists (aka “climateers”) urged consumers to compensate for their so-called “carbon footprints” by paying to plant trees. But as the facts slowly emerged about reforestation, the carbon-offset industry quietly backed off planting trees and moved on to other offset schemes.
One carbon-offset vendor, The Carbon Neutral Co., says on its Web site, “In those early days, the icon of a tree and its emotional appeal were critical to attract audiences. But, thankfully, the market has grown in sophistication — markedly over the last 4 years, and such obvious symbols are less necessary.”
Translation? Perhaps, “the facts have caught up with us and so we’ve changed shell games”?
Science is slowly, but similarly catching up with global warming alarmism. The only question is how the race will be won — with facts or fear?
Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com and CSRWatch.com. He is a junk science expert, and advocate of free enterprise and an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on April 13, 2007, 07:13 AM:
And once again, we were expecting to wake up to several inches of snow this a.m., with more inches to come through the morning, BUT what do my awaking eyes find, no new snow!! None!! Nota!! Zilch!! How can that be, after all, the computers that are predicting these events are the most powerful, most knowing tools that a weatherman and earth warming scientist has at thier fingers tips, BUT hell they can't even predict the weather 24 hours before it happens. Why should I believe what those same computers are predicting 10, 20, 50 years from now!
Global warming is got to be the biggest farse known to man kind!! It's all hog wash!
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