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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 21, 2006, 12:55 PM:
another poll.
What is proper shot placement on the HM coyote at the top of the page.
Extra credit. Which way will he run if you miss?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on February 21, 2006, 01:26 PM:
I'm shooting at the upper half of light colored fur that is straight above the coyotes right front leg. Aiming center-mass like you like to call it Leonard. Any well constructed .224 bullet will crumple this coyote right on the spot.
Turn him around 180 dergrees as for the direction he will run if you miss. It looks to me like this coyote just popped over that rise and is checking the scene over. And if it doesn't like what it see's it will retreat the same way
Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on February 21, 2006, 01:33 PM:
Without thinking too hard about it, and in an effort to simulate real time conditions. This is where I would aim and squeeze; 
I would guess he would run away and to the right or straight right on a miss. Just a guess. The picture would be bland without him there though.
Brad
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on February 21, 2006, 01:54 PM:
I would move Brad's crosshair to the left right where the horizontal bar now ends.
Since she looks like she is standing on a ridge, she would probably drop down hard left.
Sure is a pretty thing, I'd hate to shoot her.
Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 21, 2006, 02:01 PM:
Like I said in the other post (thank for pulling this out on it's own ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
) I'd aim for his right front shoulder (2"-3" left of bradh, close to the same place as rich I think) with my 55 grain psp 22-250 or 100 grain psp .270.
If I missed infront of him I'd expect him to 180 and run away to the left.
If I missed behind him or over him and the bullet was behind his ears (so he thought the bullet "zing" was behind him) I'd expect the coyote to run forward to the right.
later,
scruffy
[ February 21, 2006, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: scruffy ]
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on February 21, 2006, 02:03 PM:
I'd go half way between Brad's and Rich's spot. If I could see that critter this close, I wouldn't beafraid of nailing the bone dead on. I'd actually hope bone shrappnel. I agree with Lonny. If I missed and he ran, he'd run right where he could guaranty his self safety....where he had just come from moments before reaching the top of the hill.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 21, 2006, 02:48 PM:
The way I understand what Krusty was saying, he aimed about where Brad put his mark? I have seen coyotes fuss when hit there.
edit: correction, I meant, when that is the point of aim. Sometimes your impact is a little off from your point of aim.
Good hunting. LB
edit: and brad. No offense, your opinion has value, as much as mine.
[ February 21, 2006, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 21, 2006, 03:15 PM:
For a called coyote, I'd shoot just a little higher and to the left of Brad's mark.
For a sniped coyote at long range. I'd shoot for the shoulder at the left edge of my +
Edit:
Miss? I guess I'm out of practice with that one! Must be a coastal State Thing!
[ February 21, 2006, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: Tim Behle ]
Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on February 21, 2006, 03:29 PM:
The bead of my shotgun goes right on his nose. After I jerked the trigger and my pellets rattled through the branches in the background to the right I would think the coyote would turn to our left and away. (assuming that was where the coyote came from in the beginning)
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on February 21, 2006, 03:33 PM:
If he's not going to bang flop down after the shot, he will bolt off his left legs to the right. Shot placement largely depends on the poop in the caliber but generally a 7" circle drawn around the right fron shoulder should do the trick unless of course you jerk the trigger and take out the throat or head.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 21, 2006, 03:59 PM:
Anywhere thru both lungs is good.
Can't help but notice that Rich Higgins is refering to 'she' & that *** Nistetter is refering to 'he'???
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 21, 2006, 04:08 PM:
Inside of 200 yards, I'd aim for the left tip of Tim's horizontal bar and let the bone fragments add to the wound channel count. That left humerus makes for a big chunk of crap roaring thru that chest. One thing I noticed when hunting with Quinton: all his coyotes end up with a pretty nasty fracture of the front side shoulder/ foreleg juncture. One front leg is always spinning like a broken hand on a clock. Decided to try that approach myself this year - pick a spot, hit a spot - and the only one that didn't bang-flop was one I aimed a bit back on. Hit him there and it usually looks like a bowling pin teetering to a fall.
As far as fall, he'll land on his left side, all four legs drawn up in a decorticate pose and deader than snot. No rolling around, no kicking and twitching. Just plain ol' DRT.
That's what I'd do. At least, that's what I'd try to do. Can't guarantee that's what would happen.
Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on February 21, 2006, 04:19 PM:
None taken at all Leonard. I would have done the same as Krusty from what I've read. I've had many good experiences with this shot and few bad. The difference is, all my experiences are using a Swift and 55gr Nosler BTs. That widens the margin of error I think, but I can only assume.
Brad
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 21, 2006, 04:33 PM:
Well, if that coyote were ontop of the last ridgeline. I wouldn't shoot. As I have a self imposed[No shootin 10' from the top of a hill rule].
If not, then I'd aim, 1" high & to the Right[NorEast]. From the center of Tim's Red cross.
If I missed[seems I've done that before ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
]
I would lead her[if running flat-out] 1 body length per 100yrds. And fire for effect .
If I were on a higher opposing hill across a valley from her. I'd be patient, because "most likely" she'll not run far[or in circles] ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
. Because the shot echo, will confuse her as to my location...BANG! again ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 21, 2006, 05:14 PM:
Leonard,
Ditto, thanks for pulling this aside.
And thanks to Brad for saving me the trouble of putting a crosshair on it.
I don't understand the "center of mass" I guess, maybe I think of it like center of gravity?
I wouldn't have guessed, it was where Lonny describes it being.
(*Edit maybe I was only thinking of a coyote as a two dimensional target, not giving it thickness)
As I said in the other thread, the HM coyote is quartered a LOT more (45-55°) than mine (20-25°) in my estimation.
His left rear leg was visible between his two front legs (backlit by the road in the sun).
The point I aimed for, was about where the dark neck ring on the HM coyote reaches it's lowest point, similar in height to Brad's crosshairs.
So yes, my point of aim was about where Brad's crosshairs are (but right), and with a different angle of attack.
And like Bryan says, I probably pulled the shot right and up a bit, so my point of impact followed the ring up and right 1" or so.
As he recovered, he snapped once at the front of his left shoulder, then once at the back of it (as he spun to run away).
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On the HM coyote:
I'm between Danny and Brad's center, at the bottom of Tim's verticle crosshair, right in the middle of the light patch, and hopefully in front of the shoulder bone.
Like Rich, I really don't wanna shoot that coyote (I feel like he's part of the family).
I can't tell enough about the place to guess where it'd go if I missed.
I kinda expect, since it sees me, and the ground appears to drop away beyond the coyote, it would peel off to it's left, straight at the thickest cover back there, and then arc around towards where it came from.
But then again, you know and you never know... could run straight at me, if the brush beyond it is close enough (to him) that the shot rattling through it scares him my way?
I do know if I missed a gimme like that, he'd be running away from all the profanity. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Krusty 
[ February 21, 2006, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ]
Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on February 21, 2006, 06:36 PM:
Krusty, that statement was an honest assessment of my own bad habits. I didn’t intend to imply what may or may not have happened to you. Like you, I’m my worst critic.
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on February 21, 2006, 07:56 PM:
I'd shoot an inch higher than Tims shot,and over to the left three inches. This would hit high rear lung, and clip liver. She'd make one full spin and snap, then hump up and dive to her left. Nice snow, easy blood trail 15 yards to where she laid:)
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on February 21, 2006, 08:40 PM:
You'd better hope you got all of those 3" with that .17
Because if you only get 2" she's going to poke that leg straight out, spin around in circles while yelping, then run off never to be seen again!
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on February 21, 2006, 08:46 PM:
ok ok 3 1/2 inches:)
Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on February 21, 2006, 08:47 PM:
Since I'm not carrying a bazooka anymore I'll put one at the upper left end of that dark mark in his "necklace" that is left of center. He won't run because he quit all movement, except down, when the .17 went in.
Posted by scruffy (Member # 725) on February 22, 2006, 07:48 AM:
quote:
Decided to try that approach myself this year
Lance (or Q), I've been contemplating that approach as well with my 22-250. What are the exits like? I assume fixable since you guys sell your hides. And where do you aim on a quartering away shot?
later,
scruffy
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 22, 2006, 08:15 AM:
........right in the pupil of his right eye otta do it.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 22, 2006, 10:56 AM:
I'm going to play it cute. I am surprised at some answers. I agree 100% with others.
This is interesting. More opinions, please.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on February 22, 2006, 01:51 PM:
With my 243, and 75 gr V-Max I would go 1"left and watch for the spray on the other side.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 22, 2006, 02:03 PM:
Boy, there's a lot here to think about, thanks again.
Bryan,
Your statement was an honest assessment of most people's tendency to pull up (as Vic has mentioned many times), or to pull right (like I was all morning long with this rifle), especially in haste/excitement.
Not much else could explain how the bullet took the path the coyote "showed me", and the point of impact I saw through the scope, besides actually pulling high and right.
Like I said in the other thread, I am just searching for things that might have gone wrong, trying to think ahead, and find solutions to them now.
Next time I'll be armed with more firepower, AND more information.
Krusty
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 22, 2006, 03:29 PM:
scruffy,
Regardless of the angle the coyote may be standing, I always aim to vector the bullet thru the thoracic cavity and don't worry so much about bone in the way. Again, inside 200 yards. Beyond that, I have to be lucky regardless of angle. As far as exits, my partner cusses me every time I kill one. If it has a big hole, I let him keep it since he's using the money to buy a gun. I used a Mini-14 for years and found that a pair of good Nikes became a regular part of my gear list since they don't hit where you shoot them and if you hit them a bit to one side, you're running them down. Having said that, I've told young Matt many times, as he cusses me for cavitating yet another coyote - It's easier to sew them up than run them down any day. (To be specific, fist-sized exits aren't unheard of. Sometimes, there's no exit at all. But, if I can hit him, he dies.)
Posted by Joel Hughes (Member # 384) on February 22, 2006, 04:48 PM:
I think he would push off his front right leg and go straight away and back off to my left in retreat.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 22, 2006, 08:45 PM:
"I am surprised at some answers. I agree 100% with others."
Leonard,
Please e-mail me my grades.
Krusty
Posted by MULE (Member # 63) on February 22, 2006, 08:49 PM:
I'm with Bradh except I'm 2" left.
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on February 22, 2006, 09:31 PM:
MULE,killed him (Bang Flop) ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
I don't get a shot!
Posted by keekee (Member # 465) on February 23, 2006, 12:59 AM:
Im going to haft to agree with Joel H. Maybe just a little bit more to the right of were his X is. But not much.
Brent
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on February 23, 2006, 05:44 AM:
Leonard,
Traumatic Effects; Of [Bullit] pressure wave, shock wave[positive & negative].
Solid organs; [LSPOK], Liver, Spleen, Ovarie's/Orchi's , Pancreas & Kidney's. All tend to "Fracture".
Hollow Organs; Heart, Lungs, Arteries, Veins, Stomach, Intestines, ect, ect. Tend to "expand & contract/cavitate" from [gas-pressure]. Sometimes, rupturing.
That's why & where, I'd shoot the HM coyote if offered that shot . "Ideally", I'd prefer a broadside shot, low & through both shoulders.
edit; Whoops...left out Heart & Lungs .
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Speaking of lungs. Most folks already know this...But if possible, I prefer not to shoot them. Way to many runners.
Example; Expell all the air, you can from [your lungs]. Then see how far you can run, before needing another breath. Now, as tough as a coyote is. Especially, after the [Adrenalin] has kicked in.
It's not hard to see they can often go aways, before collasping.
[ February 23, 2006, 06:14 AM: Message edited by: 2dogs ]
Posted by albert (Member # 98) on February 27, 2006, 07:46 PM:
I'm a little slow in responding but for me it would depend on what I was shooting.
If I was shooting something with a heavy jacket i.e. 55 grain sierra 1365 I would go for the shoulder shot.
If I was shooting something lighter say a 40 grain bullet out of a 22-250 the ideal place in my opinion would be about half way up, where the shoulder and neck meet.Good spot to shoot them if you are going to skin them yourself. Lots meat to hold the bullet and the only direction the coyote goes is straight down. Saves a lot of blood and mess on the pelt.
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