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Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on October 09, 2005, 05:40 PM:
This is the first year the cable restraint can be used in Pa..I completed the certification course a few days ago..Have any of you used the cable restraint? How well did it work for you?..Sliding release lock,'loose any animals?' Did deer stop work? Did deer breakaway do what it was intended for?..Did you like or dislike the cable restraint?
Knowledge shared on using the cable restraint will be greatly appreciated.
I can set wire the 1st. of Jan.
Melvin
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on October 09, 2005, 07:14 PM:
Do you mean a snare?
I've a couple of thousand snares laying out in the yard going to rust. Can't use them here in AZ. But I trapped half of my fur most years using them in Indiana.
The snaring laws in Indiana, were penned by me, and I helped to successfully fight off deer stops a couple of times.
[ October 09, 2005, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: Tim Behle ]
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on October 09, 2005, 08:59 PM:
Tim,the difference between the snare and the cable restraint is that it does not kill the animal...Yep its got a deer stop on it(8 inch circumference)It also has an S hook which can't have no more than 325 lbs breaking pressure [If you should catch a deer or large animal in it.] And it must have a sliding washer which will let the cable relax when the animal stops pulling against it..The loop circumference can be no larger than 38 inches.
The PA.Game Commission [DOES NOT] like us to call it a snare...What can i say?
Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on October 09, 2005, 10:36 PM:
It is more humane to rig them so they do kill the animal quickly.
Jack
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on October 10, 2005, 06:02 AM:
Do you mean a relaxing washer lock? Or just a plain washer?
Cam locks are about the only locks that do not relax some. But you can take coyotes with a simple unbent washer. Entanglement is the key to putting an animal down quickly. It doesn't matter what you call the tool. I never met a critter who understood English. You can snare a coyote out in the open with a bent washer lock, and as long as he has nothing to get tangled up in, he will be live the next morning. You can make the same set with no lock on your snare, add something for him to tangle in, and he will be dead in a matter of minutes.
I've neck snared coyotes, and sold them live later the same day. The buyers only look at the feet. A coyote is just like a young dog who has never been tied up. That first time you tie him out, he spends all day pulling against the chain.
Beaver under the ice can be taken with out a lock as well, but I lost a few in open water and on land if I didn't have some sort of lock. Coons required a lock no matter where I snared them.
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on October 10, 2005, 06:56 AM:
The idea of a snare is to kill them quick. I understand that PA does not allow entanglement. The Riechart Lock is a good lock, but you are going to loose alot of coons, fox, etc. with the deer stop. I dispise the term cable restraint. A PC term. It is and will always be a snare.
The best snares have good locks, and a good breakaway to allow the occassional deer,cow, etc to get out. Deer stops are a joke. and do more damage when you cant use entanglement.
Steve
Posted by pup (Member # 90) on October 10, 2005, 08:20 AM:
Last year while scouting some new country , we ran into some snares set in the ditch. I had not been around any snares. We would drive by the sets from time to time to see what he caught. The coyotes that I seen caught were not the choked down animal that I expected, but sat there panting and waiting. Yes when approached they would "sit back". I remember a couple of horses that Dad had in to break when I was a kid, that he had to put a "war bridle" onto. One was a yellow mare and boy would she sit back. Eventually she learned that she couldn't get loose by trying to break the rope, the mare soon would stand tied and would lead with a war bridle on, then halter and so on.
The hound hunters around here were paying good money for a live coyote. We have to use deer stops, they don't seem to affect the catch, and they make me feel better when cows are in the pasture. The stops will keep the snare from closing around a misplaced hoof as well. Relax washers work well if run with a swivel in the proper place. A washer bent at a 90 in half with holes drilled slightly over cable diameter will work as a tension relief as well.
I can see where the snare has its place as an effective control method. It took me six sets to finally find a method that worked for me. I snared my first coyote this past Feb.. My eyes were opened when I handled this first live coyote, it was not the fight that I expected. Non-target catches could just be released.
I snared mine on my side of the fence coming from the county road. The fellow snaring above was in the ditch, between the fence and the road. I questioned the local Game Warden, he claimed no foul. I think that in the ditch is the smallest part of the funnel and the coyote seems to be at a small bit of a dis-advantage in the ditch, seems to let his guard down on human smells, and worries more on crossing the road. I also didn't like the fact that when he caught a coyote everyone on the road knew it. The autos going back and forth disturbed several of his catches while in the snare. He also had to keep his line short to keep them out of the fence, so several had no cover and would tend to dig. But his success rate seemed high, with all but his last couple weeks sets catching coyotes. I would lean more to snared out of the snareable. haha If that is a word. When he stopped catching he pulled the line up, I think it was late March.
We were able to get on some new ground that, this trapper had been near. The landowners say that when he first sets the snares , he will catch a "whole mess of'em" . Then in late season it will slow down. The place we gained access to didn't have current sets along it, and we were able to take a couple of mature coyotes off of it, however, another place had them removed a week before. The later place was one of the best spots I had seen in a while and no coyotes, or sign. Who knows. I know that the areas that he runs lines on will be the first areas that we call this year. I think that he impacted that area that much.
We have had a good grass year and hopefully the hay will be cut soon.
later pup
Posted by pup (Member # 90) on October 10, 2005, 08:52 AM:
Melvin,
I am not an expert at snaring to be giving advice. In my limited exposure I have found the swivel is the key. If the animal can compromise your cable they will. I have had one compromise my swivel and twist/break the cable at the deer stop, I left a "funnel" limb to close to the set.
later pup
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on October 10, 2005, 09:48 AM:
Melvin,
Last year was the first year for cable restraints in MO and like Steve, I hate the name. It is still a snare.
Our regulations must be similar to yours.
285 BAD
deer stop @ 2.5 inch loop
relaxing lock (if there is such a thing)
12 inch maximum loop
no rooted vegetation 1/2 inch or greater
no entanglement or use at crawl-unders
I am basically snaring in the wide open. After my first year I was not impressed. No canines, but several coons all alive. We have terrible dirt trapping conditions here in the winter. Rain and freeze-thaw. That is the only reason for me trying them. I will still use snares this season, but I honestly believe I can do better with traps. An animal just has one neck, but he has 4 feet.
Randy
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on October 10, 2005, 07:01 PM:
Randy,i got a chuckle out of that one.I guess a fella would have a better chance with four legs than one neck.LOL..The only difference i see in the Pa.reg.and the Oklahoma reg.is the BADS..Pa. BADS is 325...I too agree with,Steve.
pup,i enjoyed the read.Any knowledge i can pick up from you guys,will be helpfull...Using one or more swivels is part of the regulations.
Tim, it's a relaxing washer lock...I should have stated that,but this is all new for me..I have trapped many years but never used the snare.
Jack,it's hard to set a trap here without taking a chance that you're gone to catch a dog or someones pet..Pa.is a heavy populated state with lots of bunny and bird hunters..Two years ago a fella that traps with me,had to pay a hefty vet bill,nothing more than a bump on the dogs leg,no breaks or fracture..A dead dog in a snare could put me in the poor house.
Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on October 10, 2005, 10:22 PM:
Melvin,
I know as I spent 55 years 40 miles or less south of PA. The gunclub I spent most of my time in was in Seitzland PA.
Sure glad I was able to leave the east coast for much more open spaces in the intermoutain West.
Jack
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on October 11, 2005, 06:59 AM:
Melvin, there is a good continuous training session going on at the Midwest Predator site if you are interested. The first lesson was in building snares but all other bases will be covered in future installments. Check it out, snaring is the way to go in my opinion!! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Midwest Predator (Snaring 101 Thread)
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on October 11, 2005, 07:26 AM:
I have given up trapping now, but my favorite method of snaring coyotes was to setup weed patches and CRP fields with a large bait such as dead cow or hog. Snares were set in pickup truck tracks that made myself. I would always place large warning signs to make bird hunters aware of large traps being set in that area. Even though we have a large deer population, I never did snare even one deer. Snared a few free roaming dogs, but the dogs did not fight the snare and therefore were not injured.
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on October 11, 2005, 08:06 AM:
Thanks,Jrbhunter..there is some good information there!..I would like to check back there when more is available...Can an easterner join,MidWestPredatorHunters?
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on October 11, 2005, 09:03 AM:
Of course an Easterner can join Midwest Predator Melvin... we're just trying to keep those good for nothing southwesterners out! LOL! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
(Just kidding guys.. everyone is welcome)
I have snared for several years myself and never snagged a deer. I have caught a few housedogs, all were perfectly unharmed until I shot them. Dogs seem to lay down once they feel the cable on their neck, just like a leash.
I heard a wise man once say that a snared coyote decides his fate in 60 seconds. He either sits down and waits on the trapper to return or he fights the restraint and asfixiates himself in entanglement. Some coyotes are dead on arrival, others are alive... given the chance they will all demolish a catch circle.
Check out "This Link" for a couple photos of snare sets and Rich's diagram of open land snaring. There will be more to come I'm sure... my season opens on Saturday so the pics and stories will start piling up in no time!
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