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2dogs
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posted September 20, 2005 02:25 PM
My wife's elderly Mother, whom is in a local nursing home. She's dieing of cancer. She doesn't have many days left, perhaps this week.
Anyway, Her [Mother's] local church's, preacher[we use to go there many moons ago]. Told my wife today, in front of her Mother. As he was giving her mother...Last-Rights, prayers & communion.
That my wife, couldn't "partake in communion". Because she no longer go's to "their" church...ie; You know...the only church, GOD has blessed ![[Mad]](mad.gif) .
This remark & action came from a man of GOD.
She left crying. This has been a very trying time for her. As she is the only child of her Mother's in Iowa.
I was enraged, over this. As she came home & sobbed ![[Frown]](frown.gif) . She pleaded with me, as I wanted to immediately go give him [THE HOLY ONE]. A proper, ole fashined...chicken-spinning, where he stood.
He ought to thank her.
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posted September 20, 2005 04:22 PM
It has been long since past, but I went through a similar circumstance while visiting another church on vacation. Since I was not a member of their local body I could not participate with them, concerning communion. The scripture quoted was "diverse doctrine" , the explaination given was that "we could believe differently therefore being diverse from them, and they were told not to mix with us." My wife and I politely waited at the car for their service to conclude, against my urges to perform a "chicken-spinning".
I didn't buy it then and still don't. God is a reader of the heart. Communion is to be done in remembrance of Him. It is sad that your wife was robbed of a special moment of sharing what might possibly be the last communion her mother will ever partake of on this earth. I wouldn't want to be in the preacher's shoes at this point, as he will have to answer for his actions. There are scriptures describing what happens to those that cause the Children of God to stumble. Not much consulation now, but it might provide a grin later, when we are waiting to get in.
This probably won't cure the want to "wring" a neck, but I do smell what you are stepping in.
later pup
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Tim Behle
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posted September 20, 2005 04:33 PM
I gave up on going to Church a few years ago. But A few months ago, I got to feeling bad about missing communion for so long.
I was talking to a local Baptist preacher and he told me that I'd be welcome to partake at his Church, but only after I was rebaptized and joined his Church.
No thanks,
So I talked to another preacher, (Another Baptist ) He said I'd be welcome to partake at his church, and it didn't matter where I'd been baptized. Sounded good, but they only give it out once a month, and I always showed up on the wrong Sunday.
I visited with a Priest the other day and he told me I could stop by for Mass 7 days a week and he'd have it ready when ever I was ready.
It's no wonder the Catholic Church is the largest. I may not agree with all that they teach, but they do seem to be there for their membership when needed. The protestant Church I grew up in could never be there for me when I asked for help, but you could bet they'd be on the door step every time they wanted to build onto the Church building.
I pretty much gave up on organized religion 7 years ago, but I think I might start going to Mass every now and then.
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2dogs
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posted September 20, 2005 04:47 PM
I hear you guys.
Although this type of situation. Is not all to rare.
I'm still coping with my/our previous loss's.
Then this happens to my wife. Who is a very caring human. I felt the rage of "Sampson" at that moment. It took me quite awhile to cool. He's lucky.
Yep, Judgement Day. I'm looking forward to it ![[Smile]](smile.gif) .
[ September 20, 2005, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: 2dogs ]
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Cdog911
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posted September 20, 2005 06:17 PM
I'm with Tim on this one. Mostly. I personally believe that there is a vast chasm of difference between Christianity and religion. Especially organized religion. Now, I'm no theologian, and can't profess to being any kind of expert on the bible, but I just can't get past the fact that nearly all our religions today were started by mortal men seeking power over other mortal men. Power is a nasty habit and few men are able to handle it in any amount.
I have a daily relationship with the Lord. I thank him often for my kids, my wife, and the many wonderful things he has provided for me in my life. I occasionally ask him for things, some of which I know in my heart I either don't need or don't deserve. Some of them, He provides. Others, He doesn't. And I try my best to understand why and do better from then on.
I remember as a kid when my dad was one of our church elders. He became so frustrated with the back biting and self serving in our church that he or we never went back (Methodist). He didn't resume church attending until married to his late second wife who was what I humorously referred to as a Catholic fundamentalist. Dad never did convert. They just liked having another loud baritone in the choir, regardless of the fact that he was an infidel Protestant. He's always after me to go to church. I just chide him and tell him he's only going because he's closer to time for the pop quiz.
The past few years, we've had a battle in our community between the hardcore religious folks and regular "find something else to do on Sunday" people over the opening of an adult novelty store on the outskirts of town. By the time the term "pornography" had become part of the lexicon of every 5 year old in town that listened to their folks talk about the talkabout town, the town was pretty much split down the middle between those perceived as moral elitists and those interested more in personal rights. I had a front row seat with three pastors on my mail route. All three of them were regular subscribers to Victoria's Secrets catalogs. One preacher in town was a big freak on pornography. Talk about the hypocracy! I was talking with one Associate Pastor one day and we got to talking about the sin of "recreational sex", if you will. I told him that unless he had one mouth at the dinner table for every time he and the wife got crazy, his position was pointless. He even laughed at that.
God is in our hearts. He knows our every thought, both good and bad. The best we can do is pray for His forgiveness and hope He grants it. As for those folks that never miss church, the majority of them are there to make sure everyone else sees them there and that's about it. Catch everyone one at a time outside the door after services and I bet less than ten percent could tell you the point of the sermon. But, they could sure tell you who wasn't there and who was. Again, hypocracy.
Like I said, I talk with Him every day. Sometimes He "talks" back. Sometimes He just listens. In any event, He and I are friends and I'm okay with how that is.
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posted September 20, 2005 08:20 PM
2dogs: Dont let one bad apple ruin your relationship with the Lord. Forget religion and remember what the Bible says about treating others as we want to be treated. Sounds to me like the priest has some repenting to do.
Tim, hang in there. I go to A Baptist church that has communion once a month. The only requirement for taking it is being a Christian at heart and having no ill will or grievances against anyone. Hang in there. One thing am fairly sure of is that there are some Catholics, Methodists, and Baptists in heaven, as well as many other folks from other denominations.
Lance, glad to know that you carry the Lord in your heart and have a close personal relationship with him. Hypocrisy runs rampant in many circles, and much to my dismay in religion sometimes as well. The main thing is to carry Him in your heart and to try to Glorify Him.
2Dogs, your family is in my prayers 2nite. Todd.
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2dogs
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posted September 20, 2005 08:34 PM
Baldknobber,
Thanks for the prayers.
I don't lack in faith or belief.
I could tell you many-o-story of uncaring, non-sympathetic forms of life. I have come across. They are what test me, the most.
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2dogs
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posted September 29, 2005 05:50 AM
Preacher man apologized to my wife. The day of her Mother's death. He told her, "He didn't realize he hurt her feelings" ![[Confused]](confused.gif) , Hmmmm.
My wife is very loving & forgiving. So that is good enough for me. That guy, will have a [wake-up] down the road, I'm sure. Fortunately [we] had another preacher, reside over her funeral. He did very fine, at that. We were pleased.
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Andy L
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posted September 29, 2005 06:22 AM
2Dogs,
My condolenences for your loss.
I gave up on organized religion about 20 years ago. It was the politics within the church and the hypocrits that I saw running things. And every church was the same. I was raised in a pretty strict Southern Baptist church. I do believe it taught me some very good values.
I still have faith and beliefs. I try to treat people as best I can. I dont lie, cheat or steal or anything like that. I just dont go to church. I dont know if that will cut it or not, but according to my understanding of the baptist faith, once saved always saved. As my grandmother explained it to me, thats the main difference between baptist and christian churches. I dont know anything much about any of the rest.
I do think I may start going again, really soon. My boys are asking alot of questions and I feel I should expose them so they may pick up the same values and at least have a chance to make an informed decision for themselves about what they believe and what is right for them.
You do have my deepest sympathy for your loss.
Andy
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2dogs
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posted September 29, 2005 06:45 AM
Andy,
Thanks, for the kind words.
I tell ya Andy. No one has the inside scoop on GOD. He's still chipping away on me. I've had some pretty amazing interventions in my life, no doubt.
They use to scare me bad, as a youth. I've spoken with many folks, about the spirit World. I've found that [strong doubters] are least likely to have experiences.
I've opened up my soul, yrs ago. This has enlightened me, as to what is real. I'm as big a sinner as they come, no doubt. Still GOD has not given up on me.
Take care,
Everett
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