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Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on July 29, 2005, 12:55 PM:
This must be the place. I actually did some reading on this board before I decided to enlist. Lots of good stuff to read and people that seem to know what they are talking about (unlike other places) and don't care about how you do just so long as you get out and do.
I tried another board and didn't last long because I had the wrong equipment. Pretty closed mind about it too. Appeared there really isn't more than one way to skin a cat. Got Sue all fired up about it and called them a bunch of liberal weenies.
I doubt I will be contribute much but will certainly ask some dumb questions. I sort of got hooked on calling predators when I went deer hunting in Nebraska around Dodge City. That's a really neat place.
[ August 01, 2005, 01:36 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on July 29, 2005, 01:25 PM:
Hey, Sue & Mark
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 29, 2005, 01:36 PM:
Welcome to the New Huntmasters, Sue and Mark. Glad to have you on board.
I just can't believe that using the wrong equipment would get you in trouble......
Upon reflection, there may be a specific place where that could happen.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on July 29, 2005, 01:57 PM:
My mistake was shooting a coyote with my sporterized Enfield while on a deer hunting trip in Nebraska. Then they started in on me and the last thing I said was at least I didn't need a dog to track it down after I shot it. Color me gone.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 29, 2005, 02:08 PM:
Hmmm, real good hints. I could hazzard a guess, at this point. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good hunting. LB
PS, the first coyote I ever shot was with a 270 Winchester. Bet that wouldn't go over very well, either?
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on July 29, 2005, 02:56 PM:
Welcome aboard. No question is a dumb question and there are plenty of people here that will give you their take on it.
Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on July 29, 2005, 04:22 PM:
Nah. Is this the real Gerald Stewart? The call maker? No way.
I have some of your tapes if it's you.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on July 29, 2005, 04:38 PM:
Yup, That'd be him. One of the nicest people you'd ever hope to meet too. He's probably done more to promote the sport of predator calling in the last 30 years than anyone one else alive.
This site is chock full of top of the line people.
Lance and Tripp are two great Outdoor writers, Leonard and Danny are two of the top night time coyote hunters that California ever produced.
Vic Carlson is a top ranked handgun shooter and small caliber aficionado.
Jay Nistetter could probably tell you more about hand calls than anyone else on earth.
Rich Higgins is probably the most knowledgeable man you will ever find when it comes to coyote vocalizations.
Cal is a big game guide and summertime ADC expert.
And there is a ton more just like them here.
Hell, we even took in an abandoned village idiot. How many sites can boast one of those?
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on July 29, 2005, 05:31 PM:
quote:
Hell, we even took in an abandoned village idiot. How many sites can boast one of those?
After a quick count of my bookmarks, I'd say the answer is 15.
Sporterized mil-surp rifle... yer aight by me.
Krusty 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 29, 2005, 05:44 PM:
That's a fact, Sue and/or Mark. That's the real Gerald Stewart, and we are very fortunate to have him.
And, Tim is correct, it so happens that we have just about the largest assemblage of experienced predator hunters on the 'net, right here; just waiting for your questions and inquiries.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on July 29, 2005, 06:52 PM:
Wow! Thanks everyone. Sue just likes to look over my shoulder and distrat me. It's rare she wants to say anything on the internet but when she read about the lady attacked by the sea lion and saw the pictures, she got a little upset about some of the remarks being said and it wasn't funny to her. Mostly when I tell Sue stories she doesn't believe half of what she hears but this story had proof. I think the pictures are what did it.
I went back and searched Gerald Stewart. I'll be. It IS him. I found the sory he related about his recent deer lease. I got Sue and after she read it she asked, Is that why he's famous? She cracks me up. Then she said, I'll bet he started running around naked as a little kid. Then she pointed at the screen at Waco.
I have a lot of reading to do. From what I've seen so far tt looks like most all the questions have already been asked.
Sure glad you people have senses of humor. Hunting would suck without it. This is better than magazines. This is going to save me money.
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on July 29, 2005, 07:55 PM:
Sue and Mark. You will find the main thing we do here is mess with the human mind. That is so much easer to do than messing with a Coyote's mind. Most of the time they usually win, no matter how many Wife's we go through, nor how many thousands of dollars we spend.
Every now and then we manage to get off the track. Heck we have even been known to have a few wrecks, but we always pull through. We always do.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 29, 2005, 08:03 PM:
Gerald's famous because he used to own the Johnny Stewart Wildlife Calls Company; until he sold it to Hunter Specialties. He sure knows a lot about recorded distress sounds, I'll tell you that. And, he sure knows how to use a hand call, I guarantee you on that, as well.
But with people that have known him, he's a lot more famous for being a good man, in a dog eat dog world. He is extremely well liked by most of the people that matter, in predator hunting circles. And, I probably embarrassed him, and apologize for that, but, I know a good old boy when I see one. He was inducted into the Predator Hunting Hall of Fame, last year. How about that?
Good hunting. LB
[ July 29, 2005, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on July 29, 2005, 08:10 PM:
Sue and Mark, welcome;
Some days you will that the members here are highly intellectual.. other days you will read and just shake your head...
If you have questions about predator calling, ask it... there will be many answers... some popular, some not.
Given you are on the east coast... be on the watch for our own Crow Woman to be out and about giving calling seminars, you will be glad you took the time to attend.
Enjoy the reading while you poke around...
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 29, 2005, 08:15 PM:
Jay, I think Norm's talking about you!
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on July 29, 2005, 09:27 PM:
We owe it all to,Leonard..Without the huntmastersbbs all these great men wouldn't be assembled here.
Sue and Mark,he is about as good an administrator you're gone to find on any board.
All the dumb shit comes from me,so i want to warn you before hand.
[ July 29, 2005, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: Melvin ]
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on July 29, 2005, 09:30 PM:
Low blow Leonard.
Welcome aboard Mark and Sue.
It's tough, I'm sure, to tell when this group is telling the truth or just shining you on. Some like Leonard are pretty straight shooters while other philosophers like Q are eloquent and persuasive in their writing when in all reality the want all the summer dogs to themselves.
There's more real coyote men here than anywhere. These guys are the real deal like Cal, Danny, Vic, Tim, Gerald and Professor Erwin Corey Higgins but you still want to keep a watchful eye on them because they can be onery and that's being nice.
Being a Wenterner, I for one could stand to learn from you and other Easterners. I think Melvin is on your side of the river. Brent is too, but he's from Ohio. Not sure where to place him.
Welcome aboard the Coyote Carnival Cruise Lines.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 29, 2005, 10:22 PM:
quote:
Low blow Leonard.
Yeah, guess it is? Should not have singled you out, you are a good friend, and a darn good resource. But, you do stuff. Very creative and funny stuff. We both know what I mean; leave it at that.
Sorry for picking on ya, Jay. You are a giant among men. I meant the other twin.
However, we have quite a lineup on Huntmasters, if I do say so, myself. I'm proud to host such a stellar group of talented people.
Good hunting. LB
edit: oh, thanks for the compliment, Melvin. I do my best.
[ July 29, 2005, 10:24 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on July 30, 2005, 04:09 AM:
Sue & Mark,
Might as well, understand right off. Central Iowa coyotes, are smarter...than anyone else's ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
.
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on July 30, 2005, 06:07 AM:
Mark and Sue , the only reason these guys say all of that is because they want Freebies the next time we are at an event together.
I hope the tapes have served you well and give Dad the credit for setting the standard I have tried to maintain over the years.
I lurk several boards and contribute to others when I have time. Unlike some of these guys I have a life that revolves around more than just coyote calling. I am dissappointed that your first exposure to me on this board was my Dillo hunting adventures in my birthday suit. Now, I hope that you will check the archives of this and other boards and hopefully see that there may a little more substance to me than campfire talk. ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
Yes, you know me well Leonard. I am embarressed at all of the fluffy talk. That stuff just makes me a target of the walking poor-of-self-image crowd and the jealously demented. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
There are simple reasons they say those kinds of things. They may not tell you right up front Mark and Sue; Tim just wants me to take him Armadillo hunting again. Jay and Rich just want me to not avoid their cameras ever again so they can catch me in some more comprimising video clips to blackmail me with for budgetary benefits.
Leonard scared the hell out of me one night by almost getting me arrested by a military checkpoint with M-16's drawn. He has been trying to make it up to me ever since with kind words. I am still trying to decide if I want to ever ride in that behemoth of a night hunting truck again. That thing was serious....Leonard is serious...a scary kind of serious when it comes to coyote hunting. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
As for his statement about this board "having me", I try very hard not give the appearance of favoritism on the boards but for some reason I keep coming back to this one like a dog that visits the spot in the road where it previuosly found something dead. I just keep thinking I'll find something good to smell here again. You will see me pop up on a couple of other boards now and then.
This is the home of the Frat Boys of coyote calling ... with all of the pranks to go with it.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 30, 2005, 08:39 AM:
All those things, but he can be a bit of a chicken. At that check point, he was fairly calm until I said: "They'll never take me alive!"
Frat boys? I thought we had decided on Pampass know it alls?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on July 30, 2005, 09:42 AM:
OH My! you bunch of"pampass know it alls" I did not know you were trying to take advantage of this good man!(Gerald)
Tim,hunting armadillo? I'll be darned,first i knowed that!..I thought only Willie Nelson hunted armadillo?
Oh,i know,Rich and Jay work together to pull off there sneaky shenanigans..I think they work undercover a lot and combine there intelligence.(BEWARE!) ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
WOW!!Gerald,i didn't know,Leonard would get a fella in a predicament,like that!..That had to be a hair raising experience!"Memorable to say the least!"(He should have known better)
[If we meet at any events,will i get any freebies now?]
Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on July 30, 2005, 09:56 AM:
"I tried another board and didn't last long because I had the wrong equipment. Pretty closed mind about it too. Appeared there really isn't more than one way to skin a cat."
By any chance was the atmosphere at that other board rather "dark"? LOL!
Welcome Mark and Sue. There are a few fart smellers...I mean smart fellers here. Some good info shared. Read it quick though. Most of these guys are only a couple steps away from the grave. LOL! Just kidding! These dang predator hunters just keep on ticking.
Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on July 30, 2005, 10:14 AM:
Well Hello - From no one important I'm just an Easterner (NH) trying to pick up free information from these Pampas Know It Alls. So far, it's working too. Getting lots of good stuff.
No one has mentioned it yet, but you would be well advised to keep some paper towles close by the monitor. These guys have a habit of making one spew beverages at the most inoportune times
Al
[ July 30, 2005, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: TheHuntedOne ]
Posted by Crow Woman (Member # 157) on July 30, 2005, 01:38 PM:
Thanks Norm... that's where I'm at this weekend... Bass Pro in Harrisburg.
Welcome Sue and Mark. The only advice I could give you is to be on your toes with this crew and beware of Chinese girls and black sheep showing up at your doorstep.
We need to mention about our very own Lohman Gold Staff member fellow Texican named Varmit Hunter who has over 50 years in predator hunting... watch out Sue and Mark... he's been known to contribute to the shenanigans going on in here without anyone being the wiser. But don't worry about me... I would never steer you wrong... trust me.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on July 30, 2005, 04:45 PM:
Welcome folks!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 30, 2005, 05:49 PM:
Danny, I sent you an email and so far, no response.
Posted by Dogleg (Member # 662) on July 30, 2005, 07:48 PM:
Hmm, wrong caller, wrong caliber, black wall-paper.It's starting to come back to me now. You should try mentioning shooting a coyote during the spring or summer, that's a real crowd pleaser over there. Not that I would know from personal experiece or anything. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Getting punted from there is a blessing!
Mike
Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on July 30, 2005, 08:29 PM:
Thanks for the welcome everyone. I would have answered earlier but I forgot my password already. Then we went to visit some friends.
It's late, but just wanted to say thanks.
Got a couple stories I'll share tomorrow about how I've gotten a couple coyotes back here. Wan't much effort to speak of really.
Posted by Bill Martz (Member # 378) on July 30, 2005, 09:36 PM:
"Rich Higgins is probably the most knowledgeable man you will ever find when it comes to coyote vocalizations."
What an absolutely ridiculous statement.
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on July 30, 2005, 09:53 PM:
Mr. Martz; If it was so ridiculous... why repeat it ???
They always say that the truth hurts.... enough said.
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on July 30, 2005, 09:53 PM:
Nobody say anything til I get back. I'm out for popcorn.
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on July 30, 2005, 11:00 PM:
Jay!!how long does it take you to get you're friggin popcorn??..Fell asleep did ya?..I'm not waiting any longer!
Mr.Martz,do you got something on the bottom of you're shoe?...I think you stepped in something!
Posted by Crow Woman (Member # 157) on July 30, 2005, 11:48 PM:
They always come back... they always do
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 31, 2005, 12:12 AM:
Hot damn! Nellie bar the door, Bill Martz is back in town!
Now, remember your manors, Bill. This is no house of ill repute. Be gentle with my friend, Higgy. And, don't even start with my other friend, Gerald. Chase him off, and we will be cross with you.
Please state your reasons for your opinion, and be polite, okay? They say that you are a sweetheart, in person, so just turn up the charm a notch or two.
(we're waiting on Jay with the popcorn)
Stand back! Clear the area!
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Bill Martz (Member # 378) on July 31, 2005, 01:44 AM:
Crow woman said "They always come back... they always do"
I believe you are the same crow woman that went to Montana to learn how to call coyotes. That would make for an interesting story. If you want to play, you're going to get spanked.
Leonard, I will be as nice as I possible. But I will set the record straight as it relates to statements made by, or attributed to Gerald, Higgins or anyone else (example:Tom Bechtel).
Bill Martz
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on July 31, 2005, 06:09 AM:
Now this is enough to bring me back from the shadows! Kinda like ol' home week around here now. You had the thread that got all derailed. At least a coupla times. Here we have Bill back to stir some turds. And Sue and Mark are the most recent inductees into the BUBBA's, yet no one has welcomed them as such. Mark! Sue! Welcome to the BUBBA's. (Leonard will have to resurrect that thread from the old days for you to fully understand.)
Kinda nice of Bill to try and lay out Rich while he's at the ATA meet in Globe. That's okay. We'll gladly wait. Sure it'll be worth it. Always is. I'm with Leonard. Y'all play nice now or you'll be T-bagged.
And Jay, they make it for microwaves now. Whattya doin'? Out back in the rows husking ears or sumtin'? Geesh.
Posted by Crow Woman (Member # 157) on July 31, 2005, 06:50 AM:
Bill Darlin... honey pie... sweetie... Sir Richard head... If you are gonna play... ya'll better have your facts straight
If you really want me to bring up that roadtrip to Montana... you better be ready to have your hand smacked... do you really want to go there?
I can dance ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
[ July 31, 2005, 06:51 AM: Message edited by: Crow Woman ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 31, 2005, 07:16 AM:
And as the skunk said while he screwed the chicken...."There'll be hell to pay when THIS egg hits the frying pan."
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on July 31, 2005, 07:18 AM:
BM, welcome back. It's always a pleasure to bask in your over-rated, egocentric, self radiance. Try not to hurt yourself, lol!
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on July 31, 2005, 09:27 AM:
OK I'm back. You know what? I did fall asleep.
Anybody know what time the show starts?
Does antone know how to hook up a TiVo to a computer?
Sheri, That one-liner cracked me up.
I think we chased Mark off already.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 31, 2005, 10:30 AM:
What a bunch of Frat boys.
Jay, did you really come in second? If so, did you get paid in beer?
I'm still waiting to see a photo of Higgins and Nistetter in the same frame.
Have fun. LB
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on July 31, 2005, 12:51 PM:
Hi Bill, welcome back. Although I have to agree with your statement, I also have to assume that you are still annoyed at me for my review of your video. C'est pas?
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on July 31, 2005, 01:12 PM:
Sue and Mark. Please hang on for this ride. We just got Krusty to stop craping on the floor.
Now Bill is back. This is a very talented man with a great product. He just cant reframe from showing his ass on web sites. Master Poe (Rich Higgins) will shred,grate,aerate,and puree him. He will go off to human relations rehab, and we won't hear from him for about four months. So just sit back. Please make you're pop corn first, so we don't have to wait. Like we do for notables like Jay.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 31, 2005, 01:29 PM:
So..... Let me get this straight.
Higgins agrees with Bill's statement that Tim's statement is an absolutely rediculous statement.
What a let down!
Good hunting. LB
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on July 31, 2005, 02:06 PM:
Cain't we'all jest git along?
Posted by Bomba (Member # 71) on July 31, 2005, 02:47 PM:
Quote from Bill Murtz
“What an absolutely ridiculous statement.”
Bomba see this and try think what Bill mean so Bomba ask Chief.
Chief take book and open. Then tell Bomba read.
quote:
The Man Who Would Lead
There once was a man of the Great North who wanted very bad to be Leader. He believed the only way for people to acknowledge his greatness was to discredit and defame others of equal and greater abilities.
One day during a gathering of scholars the Man Who Would Lead arose, pointed his finger and shouted,
“I would imagine his perspective to be clouded.”
The oldest scholar from across the crowd stood and all grew quiet as he spoke.
“What do these words you shout mean?”
“Are you talking about the imaginary world of “I” or are you mocking another’s perception that only he can assimilate?”
“If I were analyze the first portion, “I would imagine”, I could surly negate any authoritative arguments you may have regarding the “perspective” held by the one you attack.”
“You have unknowingly revealed a remarkable propensity for imaginary worlds unknown to me."
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 31, 2005, 03:08 PM:
Bomba, are you been going to night school? Deep stuff, or Cdog steal password?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on July 31, 2005, 03:51 PM:
Leonard, It can get deep when I really get to talking, but it ain't that kind of deep. I am impressed. Bomba talk real good these days.
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on July 31, 2005, 04:24 PM:
Reminds me of a story about the,Frat brothers.They were on a similiar mission(A con artist mission)
UH!OH!,now i know why,Gerald used that term!
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on July 31, 2005, 04:27 PM:
Bomba, my friend, you are using smoke and mirrors to define a man whose MO is blowing smoke through a mirror. You and the chief are thinking much too deeply and should set your sights much lower when pot-shooting at a man who states on a video that
"Coyotes fight for a living". and "Without a territory coyotes will die."
With regard to those two statements alone when considering
quote:
He believed the only way for people to acknowledge his greatness was to discredit and defame others of equal and greater abilities.
you will know and understand that the "equal" becomes less and the "greater" becomes much greater.
Good to see you back, Bill. Always entertaining.
Posted by Bill Martz (Member # 378) on July 31, 2005, 06:14 PM:
Crow woman said "If you really want me to bring up that roadtrip to Montana... you better be ready to have your hand smacked... do you really want to go there? I can dance"
Honey, considering your weight and physical condition, the only way you could dance would be by sitting on top of a motorized furniture dolly. If you have anything you would like to comment on, please do.
By the way, your Montana trip isn't your only interesting story.
[ July 31, 2005, 06:15 PM: Message edited by: Bill Martz ]
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on July 31, 2005, 06:31 PM:
Bill,
I've never met you and cannot speak to your credibility beyonds that which you display on the web. But I strongly suggest that you keep your comments to the facts as you perceive them and as they relate to the subject at hand - coyotes - rather than taking cheap personal shots at people who are welcome here. Anything other than that speaks volume about your character, or lack of. Do yourself a favor and limit your remarks and discussion to the subject you invited yourself into. Otherwise, siddown and shuddup.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on July 31, 2005, 06:35 PM:
What a cowardly response. The dickhead walks into a room full of men, and picks on the only woman in attendance.
What a looser.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on July 31, 2005, 06:43 PM:
quote:
This is a very talented man with a great product. He just cant reframe from showing his ass on web sites.
Somehow, I completely understand.
I call it "Martz Syndrome" in relation to my own business (failure).
I actually expected Mr. Higgins to agree, with Mr. Bill. He's always the first to admit he doesn't know it all.
Mr. Bill,
Wow dude, you usually "come at it, horns first" with some good stuff... I was with you at first, but you truely disappointed me, this time.
Krusty
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on July 31, 2005, 06:59 PM:
Gentlemen, please step back and give the lady some dance space. BM is about to get his cyber ass kicked.
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on July 31, 2005, 07:00 PM:
For as long as many of us have been on the web, I don't know why we would have expected more than Mr. Martz loosing comments.
Guess it is a sign of insanity... watch the same process, expecting a different result...
Posted by Alaskan Yoter (Member # 169) on July 31, 2005, 07:08 PM:
Shucks! When I started reading this I was going to welcome someone, now I forgets who that is.
Oh yeah!! Mark and Sue welcome to the board. These are a great bunch of fellas, and they bring up some very interesting topics that you'll never see anywhere else. Its a super place to visit.
Be safe,
Todd
Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on July 31, 2005, 07:38 PM:
Thanks Todd.
It rubs me wrong when grown men pick on women. That's the results from being raised by two responsible parents.
I was going to stay out of this BUT I guess my very first questions go out to Bill Martz.
Bill, What are your qualifications as a predator caller? Do you have a resume relating to calling predators? I want to read it. Any idea of how many coyotes you have called and taken? What magazines have you written for? Who did you learn from or are you self-taught? Tell me why you're an expert. And lastly I was curious if your parents ever had any children that lived?
[ July 31, 2005, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: Sue and Mark Nami ]
Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on July 31, 2005, 07:39 PM:
Actually Bill, I do know a little about you from what I read on another board. I was on your side and thought their attack of you was unfair. I kept waiting for to show up and defend yourself because being gay has no bearing on predator calling as far as I’m concerned.
[ July 31, 2005, 08:01 PM: Message edited by: Sue and Mark Nami ]
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on July 31, 2005, 08:03 PM:
If there's gonna be a fight. Someone please take some pics. I like pics .
Someone, please pass the popcorn
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on July 31, 2005, 08:59 PM:
Just watching...already went through all this crap a few years back in the ST forum. I thought it all ended when BM left. I have to agree with my old friend Tim....Picking on a woman is not cool if you're a man. You can try to pick on me, that's cool.....Go for it. Sorry guys, I just have a bad attitude....Lol
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 31, 2005, 09:43 PM:
No problem, it's like getting banned from CG; sort of a merit badge. Same with being rudely insulted by Bill. He once called me a knucklehead, and I'm proud to be singled out for abuse. Funny thing is that he picks fights with people that are on his side, for the most part. I have never understood the man, or his motivation. <sigh>
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Crow Woman (Member # 157) on July 31, 2005, 10:15 PM:
Whatcha gonna do with us women... ya know... we just save the darndest things like letters from men and emails that were special and all kinds of sentimental stuff like that... Well... what do you know... I believe I found some interesting stuff here to share. I mean, sometime ago I gave a promise to keep this thing under wraps, but apparently someone failed to do the same and then embelished it a little to fit his ego... imagine that
Billy Bob... Billy Boob... Billy Jean... whatever your name is. Did you know that your buddy and I had a long standing relationship? Did you know that he was upset with me when I told him about my decision to not move out there? Did he also tell you that he was the one that approached me inviting me to spend time on his... and allow me to quote from his very first letter to me, postmarked Mar 24 2001... "I have been following your posts. I follow the forum but do not post on there. They are recreational callers and some have a know it all attitude when actually they have very limited field experience. To put it simply some people kill coyotes on the computer and some kill them in the field. I have yet to kill one on the computer."
"The reason for this letter is that I can see by your posts that you are an experienced caller. I do like the fact that you are trying to understand the coyote and what makes him tick."
"Every year I guide a few coyote hunters when I have a lag in activity. I usally get $200 a day or a 3 day hunt for $500. I like the fact that you are taking such an interest in coyote hunting. If you are interested in a hunt here you can come out for a free hunt. I have a beautiful ranch here with a new house with 3 bedrooms 3 baths and a big old jacuzzi. Whatever your answer may be, please don't tell anyone that I'm not charging you..."
Now, Billy Boob... that was the first of many letters and emails. Do you want to hear how he wanted me to call him every morning when I woke up and got my coffee ready? His reason being was he just wanted to start his day off right... isn't that sweet.
Do you want stats... or should I say real stats on my trip. Hey not a problem Billy Jean... I can give you those too:
Your precious caller..... 0 called or responded
His pathetic mouth calling... 0 called or responded
His siren mounted in his truck... one responded because it was stuck in one of his traps
Total kills... 1 (the one that was caught in his trap) out of about 30 traps
Did he tell you about our hunting...
Him- missed 5 times... kept on trying to blame me for bumping his scope
Me- missed once... guess I didn't bump it hard enough
The man knows his trapping... that is t-r-a-p-p-i-n-g... I will give him that. And it is the trapping that I wanted to know more about since I have never done it. But my reason for going out there was not to learn how to call or hunt coyotes Sir Richard Head, as you so sweetly put it... It was because I was being courted by a man that wanted a woman in his life that could share his interests and his life. Bet he didn't tell you that one either.
Oh... I forgot one more stat for you Billy Bob
Extra Curricular Activities... scored numorous times... It gave the song that is out there now, Save a Horse Ride a Cowboy a new meaning... guess I wasn't that fat honey pie.
In parting my dearest Weenie Head... a line from one of his emails... "You gave hunting a new and exciting meaning for me... I will always be greatful..."
Have a Nice Night, You Low Life, Pond Scum, waste of good clean fresh air, Piece of Crap
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on July 31, 2005, 10:42 PM:
Roll Credits.
I just love popcorn and happy endings.
sniff, sniff.
Good night John Boy.
Good night Billbo Baggins.
[ July 31, 2005, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: Jay Nistetter ]
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on July 31, 2005, 11:36 PM:
Will peroxide,baking soda and dawn remove shit?..I was wrong ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
He didn't step in it,he is swimming in it!!
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on August 01, 2005, 01:37 AM:
Sorry to disagree with you Melvin. He is not swimming in shit. He is SHIT.
I am going to pray every night that our paths meet. No Leonard that is not a treat to a fellow member. Just means I am looking real forward to meeting Mr. Bill. Who knows he may won't to be called Jill after a in depth discussion.
Mr. Bill I consider Crow Woman a dear friend. It is plane to see she does not need me to protect her. Who knows?. Maybe some night on the dark side of the Moon. You may need her, to protect you.
Gee Bill I think I will just call you Jill from now on. Since you are already without balls. Jill it is not that we don't wont you here, It is just that we speak the truth here. That has been imposable for you do in the past. I can't see you doing it in the future. Because the bile that fills you're cranium wont let you exercise that function.
Now why don't you go be with you're same ilk. May I suggest the septic tank board. You will have no trouble rising to the top there.
Non Notable
[ August 01, 2005, 01:51 AM: Message edited by: varmit hunter ]
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on August 01, 2005, 06:04 AM:
Crow Woman,
You got grit!
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Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on August 01, 2005, 06:26 AM:
VarmintHunter... If Jill were posting at the septic tank board... he would be the biggest turd at the bottom... that stuff don't float..
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on August 01, 2005, 07:37 AM:
Thanks Norm. It was 2:37 AM my time. I had just woke up in tremendous pain. When I saw Jill's words I did something I try to stay away from. I posted when I was in pain and mad. The only part I retract is Jill would float to the top. You are correct. He would be at the bottom were he belongs.
How are you liking that "Sod buster"?.
Non Notable
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 01, 2005, 07:52 AM:
Big cyber ouch for Bill. Told ya!
If you were a predator caller you would know that when we yell "Duck!!" you shouldn't raise your head and look to the sky. Might be a Crow Woman, come to do a tap dance on your noggin.
I doubt that Sheri deterred you from responding to this thread again, after all, obtuse obstreperous obstinacy is your hallmark on these boards.
:
quote:
Do you want stats... or should I say real stats on my trip. Hey not a problem Billy Jean... I can give you those too:
Your precious caller..... 0 called or responded
His pathetic mouth calling... 0 called or responded
His siren mounted in his truck... one responded because it was stuck in one of his traps
Total kills... 1 (the one that was caught in his trap) out of about 30 traps
Bill, You and Sheri are talking about Gary Strader, the Pied Piper of WT callers. He of the barndoor photo of the seven foot coyote. How can this be? You promise on your video that buying a WT will make everyone an instant expert caller. How can this be? I heard that Gary was raised in a cave by a pack of Eastern coyotes. He married an alpha female, moved to Montana and raised several litters of half-breeds. How can this be? He called in 0 coyotes in three days of calling with Sheri? How can this be? No wonder Vic sold his WT and kept his Foxpro.
[ August 01, 2005, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: Rich Higgins ]
Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 01, 2005, 08:35 AM:
I'm almost embarassed to say I live in New Hampshire, and in the same town as Wildlife Tech.
That's it....I'm moving.
So Sue and Mark - you having fun yet?
Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on August 01, 2005, 09:19 AM:
Mark's at work. This isn't really what he had in mind to tell the truth.
We did learn that you should never get on the internet and say something foolish like "Hey Everybody".
Mark was really excited at first about actually talking to Mr. Stewart and a couple others. It was like he met John Wayne or something.
After last night he said that he would just go back to being happy with his one coyote per month.
[ August 01, 2005, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Sue and Mark Nami ]
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 01, 2005, 09:42 AM:
Sue and Mark
Welcome to the board. Any chance that Mark could give a recap on how he gets his one coyote per month?
Dennis
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 01, 2005, 10:54 AM:
Sorry, Sue.
Sorry that Huntmasters has not lived up to your expectations. We can slice and dice a question to a fair thee well, but eventually, you get answers from what is arguably the top echelon in the predator hunting universe. An unruly crowd, at times; I have my hands full!
Good hunting. LB
edit: and something else. Getting real information from message boards is not a one stop, unscrew the head, and pour in data operation. It may take several sessions and a lot of serious concentration to uncover a single pearl of wisdom that has application to your personal situation. But, it's free. And, it's cheap entertainment. Some of these people have seen it all, and done it all; hard telling what pricks their interest, because they have already answered every variation of every question imaginable. It's entirely possible to glean info from a cat fight, if you pay attention.
[ August 01, 2005, 11:02 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 01, 2005, 11:36 AM:
Hey Sue and Mark,
it's like everything else. It only takes one person to ruin something. Don't let it get you down. I have been lurking on this board for awhile and I assure you that most of the time, heck 99.99% of the time, there is great info passed along here. And it's why you find these guys here, and not somewhere else. There are other boards, and a couple of them I love dearly, but when you want to know what the experts know, this is the place to come. These guys are the real deal.
Al
PS - shoot me an E mail at THOGameCalls@AOL.com
I would like to send you folks something to let you know that not all of us from NH are....so blunt... shall we say I think Mark might be able to get some use out of it.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 01, 2005, 11:42 AM:
Yeah this is true! It's like Napoleon Dynamite would say: These guys (Frat boys) are Pampass know it alls
[ August 01, 2005, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 01, 2005, 11:56 AM:
One coyote a month!! Hell I haven’t even taken a shot at one in more than 5 months!! What’s your secret?
Leonard is spot on dead right in his edit though. All answers to almost all questions relative to the sport have been hashed out or argued over too many times to count. Anymore it tikes a little controversy to light a fire under some of these guys butts to get any kind of useful information out of them. LOL
Good hunting.
Q,
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 01, 2005, 12:27 PM:
quote:
One coyote a month!! Hell I haven’t even taken a shot at one in more than 5 months!! What’s your secret?
That one was funny. Q, send Major a current photo of you with a seasons take so he can update his seminar. The photo of you that he used in this weekends presentation showed some tall skinny kid standing next to a jazillion pelts. People will think you're Byron South.
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 01, 2005, 12:52 PM:
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Big cyber ouch for Bill. Told ya!
If you were a predator caller you would know that when we yell "Duck!!" you shouldn't raise your head and look to the sky. Might be a Crow Woman, come to do a tap dance on your noggin.
I doubt that Sheri deterred you from responding to this thread again, after all, obtuse obstreperous obstinacy is your hallmark on these boards.
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quote:
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Do you want stats... or should I say real stats on my trip. Hey not a problem Billy Jean... I can give you those too:
Your precious caller..... 0 called or responded
His pathetic mouth calling... 0 called or responded
His siren mounted in his truck... one responded because it was stuck in one of his traps
Total kills... 1 (the one that was caught in his trap) out of about 30 traps
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Bill, You and Sheri are talking about Gary Strader, the Pied Piper of WT callers. He of the barndoor photo of the seven foot coyote. How can this be? You promise on your video that buying a WT will make everyone an instant expert caller. How can this be? I heard that Gary was raised in a cave by a pack of Eastern coyotes. He married an alpha female, moved to Montana and raised several litters of half-breeds. How can this be? He called in 0 coyotes in three days of calling with Sheri? How can this be? No wonder Vic sold his WT and kept his Foxpro.
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 01, 2005, 01:32 PM:
Posted by Randy Buker (Member # 134) on August 01, 2005, 01:59 PM:
Anyone who lets Billy rile 'em up hasn't been around these boards for very long. Every time I see him post, I get a big grin. He shoots himself in the foot every single time.
The only thing funnier was his video.
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 01, 2005, 02:10 PM:
Funny hell!!!! It is true. I swear to God and everything sacred I haven’t shot a coyote in the last 5 months!!! Byron???? I can’t remember ever being that skinny!! Hey! Are you saying I am FAT!!! LOL I’ll walk any of you turds into the ground. LOL
Good hunting.
Q,
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on August 01, 2005, 02:15 PM:
I understand that Gary is in Utah now. I think he even sold his house in Montana. But I have heard that he did a good job in Montana and is also doing a good job in Utah, but it's none of my business so I'll stay out of it.
Posted by Lungbuster (Member # 630) on August 01, 2005, 02:47 PM:
Welcome Sue and Mark. What part of the East are you from?
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 01, 2005, 03:09 PM:
Sue and Mark, any questions you may have for the crew need to be sent to me via my email address after you post them here. I would like to throw out my two cents worth to try and help you but it will have to be off the board. I am very dissappointed that I have to make this offer to you due to the fact that any posting I have here will probably be targeted for harrassment.
I am very humbled by your complimentary statements and I hope that I can live up to your impressions of our company and the legacy left by my Father. The chastising that I do to Leonard and others for complimenting me is for a good reason. I hope you now understand why.
One positive from this thread though is knowing that my name was used in the company of other good people. As one of my idols likes to say "We should all strive to run with good dogs". There are many good dogs on this board and a few bad ones. I am confident you will sort it all out.
I am very dissappointed that you have been welcomed to this board in the way that you have. I do a summer Wildlife Conservation and Youth Leadership camp where we teach a number of life truisms or philosophies. One of my favorites is the fact that "you don't get a second chance to make a first impression". I worry about your first impressions from this experience.
As for the rest of you guys, see what your kind words of me have wrought. I will probably have to start seeing my therapist again. I thought that was over years ago.
Oh, why didn't I listen to Bruce.........?
[ August 01, 2005, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: Gerald Stewart ]
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 01, 2005, 03:18 PM:
Sue and Mark, the "Q" is stating fact. What he isn't telling you, is that he only hunts coyotes when the furs are prime. One hundred fifty kills, in the 90 days he hunts, is not unheard of. He has the pictures to prove it.
This time of year he's probably dropping off road kill in his favorite spots to fatten up this coming season's harvest.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 01, 2005, 03:29 PM:
Gerald,
Is that the same therapist that advised you to hunt 'dillos "au natural"?
Sue and Mark,
What you see here should make no bad impressions, except in case of BM, and I still think those initials are funnier than .....
Anyway, I digress. Bear in mind that you saw a bunch of good people bantering back and forth thru what was an otherwise great thread. All of a sudden, somebody comnes running in the door, squats and dumps right in the middle of the floor, then tries to smear it on one of our few honored frat girls. This place is like an Irish pub, mind you. We can sit around quaffing pints all night long and say anything we want about anyone we want to one another, and for the most part, it's usually taken with a grain of salt. But, when someone from the outside comes in and slaps one of the crew upside the head, the gloves come off. We're a small, highly cerebral and loyal bunch of misfits and malcontents that have been rudely asked to leave other websites. Kinda like the Australia of predator hunting.
Take the time to read the other threads. Heck, they deleted my best attack to date, so you're missing a lot of good stuff. Within the words, jokes and (generally) innocent ribbing we do, you'll find pearls of wisdom that are easily applied to your own hunting experiences. All those turd stirring, controversial topics I write about in T&PC, i.e., misting, howling strategies, etc.? They started here. Thanks to Leonard, I am now proudly regarded in seven different countries as a misbred, hare-lipped idiot.
Oh, and don't call Q fat. I donkey mail twelve miles a day, mostly on foot and that boy has driven home from the ranch with me half asleep in the passenger seat. And he carries most of the dead ones. Not many of you guys could outwalk me, but he can. Then again, he's ten years younger than me, too. That must be it.
Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 01, 2005, 03:43 PM:
Man what a train wreck.
Mark and Sue,
Hang in there it ain't always like this.
Rich,
If Q would hunt some in the warmer months he might get those puny numbers up a bit, and could possibly shed a pound or two. lmao
Q,
I didn't say you wuz fat, Rich did! I know Q I'm a heathen bastard .
Bill leave already?
Byron
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 01, 2005, 04:27 PM:
Byron, you know those warm weather hides don't bring the price December pelts do. How's he gonna' make payments on that new Escalade huntin' rig with rubbed-out fur?
Posted by Alaskan Yoter (Member # 169) on August 01, 2005, 05:10 PM:
"highly cerebral"
Man! I have just been disqualified. Doh!
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 01, 2005, 06:08 PM:
I'm with you Todd. I'm embarrassed to post anymore.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 01, 2005, 06:40 PM:
Hell, Rich, you're the second engine in line in this train wreck.
quote:
I kept waiting for to show up and defend yourself because being gay has no bearing on predator calling as far as I’m concerned.
Mark,
When you said that, I knew right away that you were one of us!!!! Great dig.
And, oh yeah, welcome to the both of you. Glad to have you here.
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 01, 2005, 06:53 PM:
No one would think I was Byron anyway Rich!! First off he doesn’t know how to skin a coyote and secondly he has never even shot that many. LOL I keep threatening to come down and show him how to do in Nebraska style but I think my invitation has just expired.
Oh ya, how else would I pay for the Cadillac?
Good hunting.
Q,
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 01, 2005, 07:07 PM:
Nice looking ride, Quinton. Snow camo, eh?
Just noticed something. You pour concrete for a living, yet you have a gravel driveway? What's with that?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 01, 2005, 07:18 PM:
Q,
Your welcome anytime. Heck you should have joined me a Rod yesterday morning . Bring that Cadilac and well go find some wemenz too . Well you can have the wemenz. Lana wouldn't appreciate that much .
Good looking ride. 4 Wheel drive? Got me a new one too. Not a Cadilac though. If you lived in Texas and depended on fur to make truck payments you sure wouldn't be driving a Cadilac.
Byron (Skinny, no coyote killin) South
[ August 01, 2005, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Byron South ]
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 01, 2005, 07:30 PM:
C'mon Q. 'Fess up. That's your Dad's ride, isn't it? If it was your's that coyote pelt would be hanging from the antenna and fuzzy dice from the rearview mirror. Beautiful vehicle, but wouldn't do for Az. Every stroke of desert pin-striping would bring a tear to your eye.
BTW, I didn't call you fat, Lance did. I just made the comment that you were "all growed up" and you could stuff two of those pictures Major has into one of your's now.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 01, 2005, 07:40 PM:
Yeah, that looks a lot like your dad's place. I recognize that retaining wall in the background.
Good try. I couldn't imagine you driving anything you wouldn't get bloody. Where you planning on putting the skinning rig?
And I didn't call him fat, per se. Remember that I still have to hunt with him in November. Don't wanna walk that far back home.
Come to think of it, being fat in his country might be handy. Might not feel the cactus needles so bad from laying in 'em all day shooting coyotes.
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 01, 2005, 08:12 PM:
You guys won’t let me get away with anything will you. LOL MY Escalade!! LOL I can’t afford to pay attention much less one of those. It is the old mans. Or my step mothers rather. Saw NASAs post and couldn't help my self. He he
Me in a Cadillac is like putting lipstic on a pig. It just aint right!! I doubt my step mother would let me anywhere near her ride anyway espessualy with my coyote rifle in toe. LOL
My rig is a 93 Toyota pickup with 285 thousand miles on it! If I could borrow the Escalade some time I would go chasing women with you Byron but I think my better half would have me cut soon after as well. LOL Women are so damn possessive arnt they?
Good hunting.
Q,
[ August 01, 2005, 08:17 PM: Message edited by: Q-Wagoner ]
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on August 01, 2005, 08:43 PM:
Enough already. He's friggin fat OK? Just drop it already. The man's got feelings ya know.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on August 01, 2005, 08:46 PM:
SHEEESH!!! I wish my biceps were as big as my legs!!! I thought you were a track runner. You look all upper body to me. WOW, look at the guns on that boy! You don't look fat to me anyway.
[ August 01, 2005, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: Locohead ]
Posted by The Outdoor Tripp (Member # 619) on August 01, 2005, 08:48 PM:
I'm stumped.
Is Bill Murtz the mother of Ethel Murtz, or is it the other way around?
Posted by The Outdoor Tripp (Member # 619) on August 01, 2005, 08:52 PM:
Hey Q,
They allow guns at Cadillac dealerships in Nebraska?
Love those open-air showrooms.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 01, 2005, 09:03 PM:
I'm with Jay. We shouldn't be so quick to point out such obvious physical disproportions. The man knows he's gaining weight faster than Oprah, he probably has a mirror, and doesn't need us to tell him the same thing his wife keeps saying.
But I wish he'd share that ham sandwich with Byron, before they both go the way of Mama Cass and Karen Carpenter.
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 01, 2005, 09:13 PM:
Rumor among the various predator boards has it, that Q suffers severe depression in the off seaason....those who have seen him swear, he has more chins than a chinese phonebook:)
Byron, on the other hand, there's no hope for that boy....he just grows up.....not out:)
It was so difficult to keep my mouth shut for the beginning of this thread, I just had to add something at the end. How much longer till we can hunt???? Tim, I saw a smashed pup just east of me on Davis almost to Central, about the size of a jack russel terrier, guess they are up and running ehh?
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 01, 2005, 09:49 PM:
Tripp, well technically no BUT it is the only way I could ever acquire one. And like Jay says I have feelings!!! I am not fat I am just big boned!!!! Back in the day I was a stud duck though. Had the overall state record and state meet record in the discuss. My senior year I went to state in shot, disk, and high jump. I was also an alternate in the 400-meter relay. That same year I choked at the district meet in long jump and failed to qualify for state. It took 21ft 10in to qualify and I was 2 inches off. My decathlon aspirations were cut short in collage do to a back injury so like a dumb ass I gave up my full ride (less books and fees) and came back home to poor mud.
The bad thing is that the older a guy gets the harder it is to keep the weight off. The best part about aging is that the older a guy gets it seams like every year just drags on forever!! Wouldn’t you guys agree? LOL
Good hunting.
Q,
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 01, 2005, 10:06 PM:
Q.....you gonna make it out for the shindig? I; and about 15 other guys would sure like to have you drag your aging ass out to Arizona!
It would be therapeutic for you, sitting around the fading coals of a mesquite fire, listening to the rest of us old sagging farts discuss the various maladies that afflict the aged.
Might give you some insight as to whats just down the road....now doesn't that sound like fun!
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on August 01, 2005, 10:15 PM:
Q
The AZ regs say that the furs are all primed up and ready on Aug 1st.
Hey! That's today!
So... I took off at noon.
You'd be awful proud of me.
I actually walked about 50 yards from the truck on one of the stands.
It would be good to see all of you again.
[ August 01, 2005, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: Jay Nistetter ]
Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on August 01, 2005, 10:32 PM:
That's what I love about this time of year Jay. Those big ears make great handles for draggin' those little fellas to the bone pile. That keeps their head off the ground so those milk teeth don't get busted up. LOL!
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 01, 2005, 10:33 PM:
I do need to meet some of you guys before you start dropping off on me. I read your post about the prostrate probe and now know what o’ll Q is going to die of. My poop cutter is an “exit” only. It’s not that I am completely homophobic although I was raised that it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Who knows? Maybe when I get that old I may not mind or at least have long forgot about it by the next day. Hell if I make it that long I might as well just act my age and DIE!! LOL I mean if it is at the end who is going to miss it right?
I still have to wait 34 MORE freekin years to retirement!!! You don’t know how lucky you are!!
Good hunting.
Q,
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on August 02, 2005, 05:15 AM:
Q. Retirement means you have five doctors on you're speed dial. The bad part is one of them is going to be for that one way tunnel.
If you don't have five Doctors it means you did not live hard enough and missed out on a bunch.
Hint. In about five more years you will start rubbing you're right knee, and say to you're self. Maybe I need to see a Doctor about this knee. That's were it starts, it always doe's.
Till then give them hell. For twenty winters I spent my days running my trap line at three AM. Then go Duck hunting till ten. Come home and skin, Spend the afternoon Quail hunting with two to three of the fifteen to twenty bird dogs I trained. Would not change a minute of it. Remember, rust never sleeps.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 02, 2005, 05:56 AM:
Q,
In a few more years you are going to come to understand that going to the Dr. to get your butt probed, has the same effect as buying a big diamond for your wife.
It'll shut her up for about 24 hours.
Sometimes peace and quiet is worth a little pain.
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 02, 2005, 06:18 AM:
You old guys crack me up. I just get better lookin' and in better shape every year. Can't wait until I'm 100. I'm gonna be awesome.(stay out of this ,Jay.)
Curt, those big ears belong to an adult greyfox.
Q, I'll pick you up at the airport. Or make your way to the Denver area and ride down with NASA.
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 02, 2005, 06:59 AM:
I've got room for one more fat guy, LOL!
Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on August 02, 2005, 02:21 PM:
We appreciate the generous offers but we really don’t need any special help or charity. Mark does fairly well on his own and enjoys hunting coyotes and he religiously puts in a few minutes every day so he can “sandbag another one” as he calls it.
Mark sat down several times trying to think of something to email to Mr. Stewart, but goes blank every time. If it was anybody else he would just carry on and on and on and on. He will definitely give me one of his “looks” when he reads this but he understands I am interested in psychology and am forever over analyzing everything anyway.
I find some of your comments outrageously funny and full of subtle innuendos, but cannot figure out any thought process that gets everything so “off-track” from the original topic. There are several of you who would do well being a stand-up comic.
We talked about coyotes communicating after reading several other posts. Mark described to me the different sounds that coyotes make. From his reading on the topic and videos he proceeded to tell me about Greetings, Cautions, Lonesome Howls, Yip Howls, Group howls, Warning Barks, Threat Howls, Challenge Barks and Victory Howls. That’s exactly what I wanted to hear.
Isn’t that the exact same process and sounds I have witnessed just on this single thread alone? Is there a DNA link going on here? Did I marry a coyote?
Sue
[ August 02, 2005, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Sue and Mark Nami ]
Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on August 02, 2005, 02:38 PM:
quote:
Did I marry a coyote?
Have you ever known a man who did not at one time vocalize Cautions, Lonesome Howls, Yip Howls, Group howls, Warning Barks, Threat Howls, Challenge Barks and Victory Howls?
Draw your own conclusions
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 02, 2005, 03:02 PM:
quote:
I find some of your comments outrageously funny and full of subtle innuendos, but cannot figure out any thought process that gets everything so “off-track” from the original topic.
Now you are beginning to get it, Sue Nami. Many of these folks have been on various message boards for years, and have a mental database, something triggers in their head when they read what seems unrelated, to the innocent bystander? To some extent, we are talking in code.
Good hunting. LB
[ August 02, 2005, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 02, 2005, 03:13 PM:
Sue, what I give to the MDA fundraiser I am involved in is charity. What I was offering to do is communicate one on one with you because of the potential for things to blow up like it did on this thread. I did not want you to be hesitant to ask.
As for:
"Mark sat down several times trying to think of something to email to Mr. Stewart, but goes blank every time. If it was anybody else he would just carry on and on and on and on." ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
First things first, my name is Gerald to the both of you. Mr. Stewart Died in 1987. Secondly; OK all you Pampess Knows it all's analyze that comment she just made. Mark can think of something to say to everyone else but not me?
Please tell them that I am not royalty or God. I am approachable....aren't I? I have hunted with enough of these guys that someone should be able to tell them that I can belch, pass gas, miss coyotes, stumble, leave my safety on and take an occassional aggie shower with the best of them.
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on August 02, 2005, 03:20 PM:
Sue,it's very possible he is part coyote..When you read some of these posts,you probably could see where some of us were group howling...You know that we started at the beginning of this thread giving greeting howls...Then this nomatic coyote invaded our territory..Just like any other coyote would do,i gave some warning barks to the rest of the group..Then all h*** broke loose...Some were yipping,others were giving warning barks and threat howls..So you see,we are just like coyotes in some ways...Most of this group of coyotes are good coyotes...you only seen them react to a bad coyote...These coyotes are the best to learn from...Stick around and enjoy...(funny thing!...I never heard any victory howls) OH!yea i did,from a couple coyotes
Mark,Gerald Stewart,is a good natured,honorable man,a man who is wise and knowledgeable,not someone who turns his back on a fellow human being and not share his time with them..So ask and he will answere any questions you may have,if at all possible...I don't know him as well as others here,but know enough about him(all good)
[ August 02, 2005, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: Melvin ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 02, 2005, 03:47 PM:
.....entirely true, his fame has not gone to his head. Gerald talks hunting just like any anybody else. Compare that to the occasional BOMB THROWER that ducks in and out.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 02, 2005, 03:58 PM:
Hmmmmm. Sue Nami/Tsunami. I just got that. Must be old age.
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 02, 2005, 04:15 PM:
DDDDDDAMN, talk about sensory overload. In one single, horrible post I learn not only that Gerald is actually "not God" (all those prayers and offerings sent to Waco were for naught?)(do I get a refund?)but Gerald confesses in public that he belches and farts.
Woe is me.
Woe is me.
Posted by keekee (Member # 465) on August 02, 2005, 04:48 PM:
I fell fo ya Rich! It will be ok in a few days though!
Brent
Edit....Dont forget the Meds though!
[ August 02, 2005, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: keekee ]
Posted by Randy Buker (Member # 134) on August 02, 2005, 06:39 PM:
Sue,
Gerald scares me too.
If you are going to try to get into the minds of these guys on here, you are going to need professional help yourself before long. Read it, take what you want and ignore the rest. You'll be better off in the long run.
Randy
Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on August 02, 2005, 06:52 PM:
Rich, yeah, I know. Wow, you really are an expert.
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 02, 2005, 07:06 PM:
Hey Randy...nobody said anything about being scared. Are you trying to start something...be careful or I will turn my Pampess Knows it All Frat Boy Hunt'n Homies loose on you too.....................
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 02, 2005, 07:36 PM:
Sue and Mark Nami,
Gerald Stewart is one of the nicest people I have ever met. He will be honest and straight forward with anyone who has questions about calling.
Posted by RanUtah (Member # 18) on August 02, 2005, 07:44 PM:
I see that Mr.Fartz is up to his old tricks again with his internet drive by's, what a dirt bag. Still making some friends huh?
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on August 02, 2005, 07:50 PM:
OK. I'll bite.
What's and Aggie Shower?
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 02, 2005, 08:02 PM:
Jay,
Go buy a case of cheap beer ( Old Milwaukee comes to mind ) Drink it down and you will discover the answer for yourself in the morning.
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 02, 2005, 08:23 PM:
I don't know nuthin' bout them Texas golden showers, but I do know how you keep an Aggie in the shower all day.
Give him shampoo that says lather, rinse, repeat.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 02, 2005, 09:08 PM:
any truth to that statement by Curt?
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 02, 2005, 09:26 PM:
I don't know what he meant. He mentioned milk teeth, so I assumed that he believed it was a pup. Jay altered those ears big enough to make someone mistake it for a kitfox.
WOW, doesn't really take an expert.
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 03, 2005, 06:45 AM:
An Aggie shower can involve any beverage and has more to do with which way you stand in the wind. Tim you should know better than to suggest that I drink.
[ August 03, 2005, 06:45 AM: Message edited by: Gerald Stewart ]
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 03, 2005, 10:41 AM:
The biggest storm in years hit us last night. Turned the dirt road in front into a raging river. I went out onto the back deck and watched the torrents pouring from the sky, thunder slamming the house and lightning striking all around us. I said "Gerald? Is that you?"
I sent another offering to Waco today just to be safe.
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on August 03, 2005, 10:48 AM:
Yeah. I heear you Rich.
Thunder storms are rare in this part of the country.
While I was reading through this train wreck last night, I heard a long drawn out rumble outside and immediately wondered why Gerald would be standing out on my front porch.
Posted by Gerald Stewart (Member # 162) on August 03, 2005, 11:19 AM:
You guys crack me up!
and by the way Rich that address 22.250 Coyote Way,Waco Tx 66666.
That's a joke so don't try and mail anything to it.
[ August 03, 2005, 11:39 AM: Message edited by: Gerald Stewart ]
Posted by Randy Buker (Member # 134) on August 03, 2005, 02:03 PM:
I didn't see that right away. I just sent a check for several thousand dollars to you at that address. Oh well....
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on August 03, 2005, 07:09 PM:
Leonard said: "edit: and something else. Getting real information from message boards is not a one stop, unscrew the head, and pour in data operation. It may take several sessions and a lot of serious concentration to uncover a single pearl of wisdom that has application to your personal situation. But, it's free. And, it's cheap entertainment. Some of these people have seen it all, and done it all; hard telling what pricks their interest, because they have already answered every variation of every question imaginable. It's entirely possible to glean info from a cat fight, if you pay attention."
Steve says:
"If all calling opinion were facts, we wouldnt have anything to debate about!"
Steve
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on August 03, 2005, 07:18 PM:
Just had to see if my log-in and password still worked...
Sue and Mark - Kick assed people around here, I'd judge them by their ongoing contributions to the discussions and questions - if they throw something out for debate and input and the following discussions they are probably worth listening to.
If they choose to dictate they probably don't belong.
I'd welcome another life threatening e-mail from Bill... Has it been two or three years???
All of that from a recreational weekend caller! I think I even killed one coyote last year..... Or was it two???
I'll shut up now, the regulars on this board deserve an audiance. I just pass through...
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 03, 2005, 07:33 PM:
Joe, you too? Gee, now I don't feel as special any more. When BM threatened to come to Boulder, with a couple of his "friends" and beat the $h!t out of me, I thought I was getting special attention. Now, I find out he makes this offer to all his detractors. What a let down.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 03, 2005, 09:09 PM:
Sorry Gerald,
We always refered to an Aggie Shower as a higly powered, explosive case of the runs.
Usually brought on by Cheap beer or bad Mexican food. ( Or both )
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 03, 2005, 09:41 PM:
Joe and NASA, even though we don't find death threats to be funny, you have to understand that Bill Martz sense of humor is very different from ours. He is very entertaining because he is such a clown. Really.
Studio Grade Clown
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 03, 2005, 11:54 PM:
Rich, is that Jay's new editing program? We can still recognize the knucklehead. Studio quality, my butt!
What a waste of talent, Jay. You should be working on The Simpsons.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Melvin (Member # 634) on August 04, 2005, 01:35 PM:
Ahhh what an improvement!..If only he had a coon's whistle sticking out of his lips.
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on August 04, 2005, 02:30 PM:
Not my artwork Leonard.
It is, however, somewhat disconcerting to me that my name came to mind when you saw that photo.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 04, 2005, 02:42 PM:
Disconcerting, is it? I'm sorry; I meant it as a compliment to your creative nature.
Whoever did it, it's funny as hell. LB
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 04, 2005, 04:50 PM:
"Studio Grade Clown"
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Now THAT is funny, I don't care who you are.
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on August 04, 2005, 06:03 PM:
Rich H, way too funny, man!
Nasa - what brought yours on? I repeated a quote of his - not verbatum, but the content was there. Should we start a club?
Sorry all, I feel pretty crappy only posting here when the crap rises to the top. I guess that my sense of sportsmanship and other things like ethics that the majority of us live by were pretty offended so I find it very hard to ignore a good ole Bill dogpile - the dog pile having many meanings....
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 04, 2005, 06:42 PM:
My only question is very simple: If he has such a bad rapport with his potential customer base, how in the hell does he sell any of his units? I've seen the cost and it just can't be that much better than the FP, let alone the issue of upgradeability and the availability of additional tracks for specific sounds. Is his attitude because of his intolerance for good old fashioned competition or what? I guess that's two questions, but I just can't see him staying in business this long when he treats the upper echelons of the industry like crap.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 04, 2005, 07:08 PM:
Lance, by a stroke of luck, he has an outstanding sound library, and a solid product. I'll give him that much, overpriced though it may be? Other than that, he should partner with Dale Carneige, and he might be a world beater. As a salesman, he lacks a certain charm.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 04, 2005, 08:26 PM:
Joe, I did a review of one of his videos. As I recall, it was here on HM. You might find it if you do a search. I think that thread generated about 8-9 pages.
Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on August 04, 2005, 09:34 PM:
Like a lot of people, Bill is set in his ways. To anyone who's never talked to him, I would recommend doing so before drawing (at least) a complete conclusion off what he writes here, as difficult as that may be. lol Still he does have a way of going against the grain with no apparent boundries. He's actually quite intelligent and makes an outstanding product, one that has no equal in many aspects from what I've seen. I've haven't seen the video but I won't doubt NASA's review till I do.
Brad
Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on August 05, 2005, 11:10 AM:
Mr. Stewart.
email sent
Thank you
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 05, 2005, 02:20 PM:
So, Brad... what you're saying is that Bill Martz may be harder to accurately interpret, socially, then, say, Q? Maybe we need to get Bill to come on here and start recounting his tales of shooting puppies from the mouths of dens all summer long. I'd pay to "see" that one.
Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on August 05, 2005, 08:11 PM:
Q is open and up front with his ways on here, there's no misconceptions.
When Bill starts typing...who knows what his motives are. Hell, maybe that's the real Bill.
One thing is obvious, he likes laying in the bed he made. I still want to see his video.
Shooting pups? Bill does ADC too?
Brad
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on August 05, 2005, 09:48 PM:
Brad H. Trust me you do not won't to waste you're time on this earth watching Jill's video. I watched it yesterday. Just as soon spent my time being chewed on by six Timberwolfes.
Have you ever heard of a calling video with absolutely no calling sounds?. My favorite part was when Jill says "My shooter hit a Coyote he could not even see".
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 05, 2005, 11:03 PM:
quote:
......"a Coyote he could not even see".
That's a neat trick. Did BM explain how studio quality sound made it all possible?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on August 06, 2005, 12:02 AM:
I always thought a great convience would be to just load the type of bullets built to connect with nothing but a coyote.
Anyone got a line?
Brad
(edit) Senor member, cool.
[ August 06, 2005, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: brad h ]
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 06, 2005, 09:02 AM:
"I always thought a great convience would be to just load the type of bullets built to connect with nothing but a coyote."
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Brad H,
I haven't came up with exact design for a coyote specific bullet, but have a great idea for a DEER specific bullet. This bullet will be a real breakthrough for deer hunters. The bullet tip is shaped just like a Ford Bronco, has a set of head lights on it, and the hollow point is designed to whistle in the wind. You load this bullet down to 60 MPH, and when a deer see's it coming he will jump right out in front of it. "Whammmmmm!!!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 06, 2005, 09:32 AM:
You are stealing my jackrabbit bullet design!
Posted by Bud/OR (Member # 450) on August 06, 2005, 03:27 PM:
Hey Sue and Mark,
I add my welcome and admit to being more lurker than participant here. I have no idea how long you've looked for a credible 'predator calling/hunting' web-site. In my humble opinion, these people are the real deal.
I have successfully called predators, with one type call and another since...1960. I know that I have learned more in the past year than in all the previous years, due to lurking and listening.
Pleased be advised; at times, some of these people may seem to be crazier than your Aunt Milly's pet duck. I believe this may be due to the massive amount of predator/varmint hunting info they have already divulged. They sometimes digress; 'naked armadillo hunt', questionable innuendos concerning 'mounting coyotes', etc.
The bottom-line is; Stick around. You're going to love it after you get used to it. There is no better hunting web-site.
Now...Mr. Martz. Did you know that I was days away from ordering your WT call. I...You have changed my mind. I am sure that I am not alone in not wanting to deal with anyone with your brand of people skills. Shame on you. An apology is in order to Crow Woman but I am sure you aren't man enough to voice it. Please have a nice day and luck with your business. I think you may need it.
Bud
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 06, 2005, 03:37 PM:
Gee, Bud! Very nice compliment. Appreciate it.
You just don't post enough.
Be honest, did you read this entire thread?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Bud/OR (Member # 450) on August 06, 2005, 03:49 PM:
Hey Leonard,
I read the whole damn thing, all seven pages. I was expecting Higgins to be more eloquent(read vicious). He cracks me up when he gets 'down-and-dirty'.
Also...I was really hoping to read something nicer from Mr Martz...Big stupid me.
Bud
[ August 06, 2005, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Bud/OR ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 06, 2005, 05:37 PM:
quote:
In my humble opinion, these people are the real deal. Bud/OR
Hear that, you bunch of pampass know it alls? Take a bow. LB
Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on August 06, 2005, 10:09 PM:
"In my humble opinion, these people are the real deal. Bud/OR"
Said by the invisible man. How you been Bud?
Posted by Bud/OR (Member # 450) on August 07, 2005, 10:26 AM:
Hey Doggitter,
I picked up my new Polaris 700EFI and enclosed trailer last week...Put in my order with All Predator Calls for the new Fox-Pro(have to wait for the new sound library)...Got maps in the mail for five hundred plus miles of ATV-only trails in Eastern OR(three hours from me)...All in all, I'm doing just wonderous. How the devil are you?
Bud
[ August 07, 2005, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: Bud/OR ]
Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on August 07, 2005, 09:58 PM:
Sounds like nowhere near as good as you! Ha. I'm STILL trying to get the building on the barn permit done, haven't bought anything for hunting for ages and am feeling stuck in the mud again. Good for you on the setup, sounds like a real good situation you got going there. Didn't know there were any ATV only trails over there.
Posted by Bud/OR (Member # 450) on August 12, 2005, 10:56 AM:
Hey Doggitter,
Get on the inter-net. Type in oohva.org/pages/map.
The guy who...??? runs it is Leonard Kerns 541-747-5653. Now... the OOHVA is no longer active(membership) but the maps are available. YOU DIDN"T HEAR IT FROM ME!
Another good source, for the West side, is your local (local for the area you want to hunt) Forestry office. Ask for 'ATV trail info' that is on their 'Recreational Opportunity Guide'. You'll find a ton of trails where no full size four-wheelers are allowed. They could be anywhere from one mile in length to five-ten or whatever. These trails are little used because of their short length. Now... you give me a four mile trail through wilderness and I'll give you a couple dead coyotes.
Hope this helps, rain forest guy.
Bud
Posted by Bud/OR (Member # 450) on August 12, 2005, 04:16 PM:
Hey Doggitter,
Just so I don't steer you wrong, there are even better maps available for free. Call the Bend, Fort Rock Ranger Dist Office and ask for the Fort Rock OHV trail map. The OHV specialist # is 541-383-4004. District Ranger # 541-383-4000.
Also... BLM Dist Office, Prineville. 541-416-6700. This is for Millican Valley trails.
On both of these, ask for the 'Trail map system'. Don't go now... Fire hazard closures but when open, too many ATV'ers and wanna-be moto-crossers this time of year. From right around the first of December to the end of March, you will be alone...except for the coyotes, bobcats, lions and me. Help me save the wintering deer and early fawns
Bud
[ August 12, 2005, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: Bud/OR ]
Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on August 12, 2005, 11:41 PM:
Uh oh, I should have added a bit to the question. I don't have a quad. I'm one of the trailers you probably love to hate. Horses is my prefered method of offroad motation. Opening day 10/1 I'll be sitting atop an open ridge in my favorite spot at daylight, after listening to the creaks of the saddle and clacking of hooves.
Posted by Bud/OR (Member # 450) on August 19, 2005, 05:47 PM:
I don't hate anyone...Life is too short. Ask about the 'trail system and Recreation Opportunity Guide'; BLM and Forestry. There are lots of trails that are 'horse' specific. You won't have a gas engine spooking Old Paint.
Bud
[ August 19, 2005, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: Bud/OR ]
Posted by RayG (Member # 9) on August 20, 2005, 10:54 AM:
Yikes! It took me 1.5 hours to read all 7 of these pages!
I guess I'vs been out hunting, not spending enough time reading.
This thread is one of the wildest rides to date. Only one of them, mind you.
To return to the original topic, Welcome aboard Sue and Mark.
Once you get to know this pack of wolves (in coyote clothing) you will understand their means of communication better. I used to visit many predator/varmint related boards, and always return home. You just don't find the expertise elsewhere, however, you may also find it difficult to pry straight forward info from them. Overall, this crowd is the best.
Nothing better than hunting coyotes.
Posted by Sue and Mark Nami (Member # 685) on August 23, 2005, 05:59 PM:
Ain't that the truth.
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