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InjunJoe
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posted June 09, 2005 03:56 PM
I have been doing a lot of reading. For some reason the word YOTE irritates me but coyo-tee does not.
Everytime I see YOTE I look back to see who said it.
Am I alone in this?
Maybe someone can analize me and figure out why.
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The Outdoor Tripp
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posted June 09, 2005 04:12 PM
Maybe for the same reason people who are from San Antonio NEVER use the word San Antone. It's a dead give-away that you are from out-of-town if you do. I've lived here 18 years and never once heard a local use it. Maybe just a poor attempt of an outsider trying to sound like they belong and are trying to fit in?
No offense to anyone intended, and I could surely be wrong, but the same occurs to me with the use of the word "yote." Now I know there are plenty of exceptions, but I've never heard a true expert on coyotes ever use the word "yote." In my experience it's always "coyote."
The exception seems to be: When writing about coyotes, using the same word repeatedly to describe anything gets mighty boring, so folks tend to use many words to describe the same thing, such as yote, songdog, Wile E., etc.
Food for thought.
There's my two cents.
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Leonard
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posted June 09, 2005 05:05 PM
No, I agree.
Using clever nicknames for a coyote is something I hardly ever do. A lot of serious coyote hunters feel the same way, as far as I can tell?
I've said so before; my strongest distaste is for the word, "songdog". That one irritates the hell out of me.
I do admit that when actually hunting, I use the words cat and dog, a lot.
Now, the question is, how do you normally say the word?
Ky-yote
Coy-o-tee
or something else?
Good hunting. LB
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varmit hunter
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posted June 09, 2005 05:10 PM
Joe. You don't won't my full opinion on this subject. It will show my lack of tolerance.
I only refer to them as Coyotes for the same reason I don't call you a "Savage or a "Redskin". A matter of Respect something that seems to be disappearing rapidly in this country. Will stop there.
Tell Yolanda hello. Really enjoyed talking to both of you the other night. Thanks for all the words of encouragement.
Ronnie
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Tim Behle
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posted June 09, 2005 06:24 PM
I prefer the word coyote ( two syllables ) But will occasionally use it with 3 syllables.
Shortened versions and other names don't much bother me as much as listening to people who harp on others for using them.
About the only word that aggravates me is for people to constantly talk about shooting "dogs" Once in a while doesn't bother me, but the constant use, referring to any coyote, not just an adult male, grates on me.
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InjunJoe
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posted June 09, 2005 06:38 PM
After thinking about I use 3 different words
ky ote
m2’ii
kyo tee
I've heard a lot call them brush dogs and also dam nussents.
It's hard to spell like you talk.
After talking to Ronnie it would be imposible to spell the way he talks. He talks like he has a gullet full of gravel. If I worte down something he says you could'nt tell weather he was gay or strait just reading.
[ June 09, 2005, 06:40 PM: Message edited by: InjunJoe ]
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InjunJoe
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posted June 09, 2005 07:05 PM
Oh. By the way Leonard. I called my girlfrieng 'Yollie' and she looked at me mean and I didn’t get any. Thanks buddy.
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Tim Behle
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posted June 09, 2005 07:09 PM
Joe,
At least you didn't call her Lisa. I bet you'd get even less if you did.
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posted June 09, 2005 07:16 PM
I agree with you Joe. There's a couple others that get me even more. But, on the other hand, I do play with the title sometimes. There's still some names I won't call them at all.
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posted June 09, 2005 07:20 PM
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Now I know there are plenty of exceptions, but I've never heard a true expert on coyotes ever use the word "yote." In my experience it's always "coyote."
LOL “Ditto!” The first time I ever heard (or read rather) the word “yote” it was from Gerry Blair. Gerry probably fits the bill as an expert but I think he only used the term to spice up and article or two. To me it is like raking your fingernails slowly over a dry chalkboard. Calling coyotes “Dogs” is irritating to me as well unless being referred too as a dog coyote or dog fox. Then again it doesn’t take much to irritate me. LOL
From a public relations stand point it is probably not a good idea to call coyotes dogs because they are not. Not in the same perspective as the public sees dogs anyway. It is kind of like going “Bambi” hunting rather than deer hunting. If a non-hunter hears you went out and shot some dogs, what kind of mental picture do you think that paints?
As far as Coy-0-tee’s go…..well the only people I know that pronounce it that way is east of the river. I guess if they haven’t figured out how to call and kill them with any regularity we shouldn’t expect them to pronounce it in the proper “western” fashion either. He he he. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Times are changing I guess. It is cool to go out and smoke some yotes or bust some dogs. I swear this new era of coyote callers would be sol with out there e-callers, assault rifles, decoys and the latest fancy pants cammo. If you can make the first shot count, hand calls and Carhartts will kill you all the coyotes you would care to skin. Call me old fashion but that’s the way I like it.
Good hunting.
Q,
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Andy L
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posted June 09, 2005 07:35 PM
It irritates me as well. Seems that most folks around here call em everything but a coyote. Yote, songdog, mean puppies, dogs and brush puppies seem to be the most common.
Of course, other than a handful of folks I know of in this area, coyote hunting consists of driving backroads with as many buddies as they have windows to shoot out of. And, that includes the "houndsmen" in this area. They hunt the same way, only drop out some dogs before the road hunt begins.
I could probably count on my fingers the number of people in this area, that I know of anyway (its a small area and I know alot of them), that have ever called in and killed a coyote. Most all have been off the roads or treestands.
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Leonard
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posted June 09, 2005 07:39 PM
Point well taken, Q.
What I mean, by the use of the simple, single syllable word, "dog" or "cat" is that we frequently use the short term when discussing what animal came in where, and from what direction, in the heat of battle, so to speak.
I might pile out of the truck and whisper under my breath; "there's three dogs down in that wash". My partner never thinks that I'm talking about poodles.
If I pick up a set of eyes heading in, I may very well lean over and whisper the word, "cat" in his ear, so he understands the situation a little better. Having to say the whole word seems so unnecessary, under the circumstances.
Otherwise, in general conversation, I never use anything but coyote or bobcat. Never. It's a personal issue, with me.
Good hunting. LB
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Melvin
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posted June 09, 2005 07:42 PM
A name i haven't heard used much in the U.S is "bush wolf".It's another name for the coyote in Canada..Many years ago i actualy thought it was a wolf they were talking about..So there is another one for you Joe...Talk about a critter with many names-ground hog,whistle pig,hedge hog,marmot and woodchuck!....Forgot about the 'yotel dog' another name i heard the coyote called
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Cdog911
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posted June 09, 2005 07:51 PM
To me, they're just a coyote, while I agree with Q that people who are one wink away from hugging a tree are most known for adding the extra "-EEEE" on the end.
Then again, the Cree ******* called him Mista-chagonis, the Dakotas called him Mica, the Mandan called him Scheke, the Piute - Ko-ha-a and Sinchlep was his name to the Flathead Nation. By my books, the only group that came close to calling him Coyote was the Apache, and since I've never been one to argue with an Apache, I guess I'll call him "coyote". Those who choose to call him by any other name only divulge their familiarity with the specie.
Now, if you call him C. latrans and nothing else, you've got us all beat.
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posted June 09, 2005 07:52 PM
Thats one I forgot too Melvin. Yodel Dog.
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Melvin
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posted June 09, 2005 07:58 PM
Sorry Andy,I just happened to think of Patsy Kline Yoteling
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Curt2u
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posted June 09, 2005 08:25 PM
Quote- "I prefer the word coyote ( two syllables ) But will occasionally use it with 3 syllables."
"Shortened versions and other names don't much bother me as much as listening to people who harp on others for using them."
Pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject too. Thanks Tim. You saved me some typing.
One thing does irritate me to no end though. When "less experienced callers" refer to a semi-auto rifle as an "assault rifle". The dry chalkboard analogy comes to mind when I hear it. Anyone with even limited firearm knowledge knows that is an inaccurate term. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) (Just funning with ya Q)
Good hunting
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posted June 09, 2005 10:10 PM
Sorry Curt. I was just going by what I heard on the 6:00 news.
Good hunting.
Q,
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Krustyklimber
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posted June 09, 2005 10:12 PM
I like the three sylable, with spanish inflection "coy yo tay"...
"I hope, today, I kill the coyoté"
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...coyote callers would be sol with out there e-callers, assault rifles, decoys and the latest fancy pants cammo.
Hmmm, sol about sums it up! 
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posted June 09, 2005 10:17 PM
This sounds fun,but it must be a geography thing. Growing up in Saskatchewan I never heard coyote pronouced anything but Ki-yoot. Now about half of the people say pronounce it Ki yote (Two sylables) Nobody, and I mean nobody, says Ki yo ti, unless they are referring to the cartoon character, or being silly. This is the general population, not hunters. The cartoon pronounciation will have people look at you, wondering why you're talking funny. A lot of hunters say "yote" I say yote alot.Isn't it human nature to shorten words that you use a lot? Local names add colour and character to discussion. Of course we also call walleye "pickeral", Pike "Jacks",whitetail "Jumpers", sandhill cranes might be called even be "turkeys"to a few. What difference could it make, and what harm can it do? Who's to say that their way is correct?
Having said that I can relate a little bit, to those it bothers. When moose are called "Bullwinkle" in print it drives me nuts! ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Greenside
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posted June 10, 2005 06:01 AM
I'm not going to lose any sleep over what people want to call them. The only one I have trouble with would be "dog" if not used in context.
When I'm out in hoot owl country, and a farmer tells me he heard a couple of "yotes" howling the night before, I'm not about to correct him!
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BTW: I call'em coyote(s).
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posted June 10, 2005 06:11 AM
Up until a couple of years ago. I always heard & said the word "coyote" or "coydog".
When I first read the word "yote" it kind of irritated me. Truely I don't know "really" why. Perhaps, I thought the writer was being a smart-a$$.
Then "I" started to use the word{yote} in written form. I suppose out of laziness more than anything. That I didn't feel like typing the whole word, "coyote".
I often now, refer to them as "dogs" Other coyote hunters, know what I'm referring to.
I don't view this as a problem or being disrespectful, to their often amazing abilities. IMO, they are one of the most intelligent & intersting mammals in this country.
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posted June 10, 2005 07:20 AM
Q says:
As far as Coy-0-tee’s go…..well the only people I know that pronounce it that way is east of the river. I guess if they haven’t figured out how to call and kill them with any regularity we shouldn’t expect them to pronounce it in the proper “western” fashion either. He he he.
cdog says:
To me, they're just a coyote, while I agree with Q that people who are one wink away from hugging a tree are most known for adding the extra "-EEEE" on the end.
I say:
ky-yote-teeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
That's my story and I'm sticking to it Guess I'd better go learn how to hunt them now and stop hugging those dang tree's...
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posted June 10, 2005 07:42 AM
I consider myself a pretty tolerant guy. But when they start using terms like "yoter", "yodle-dog", and "yotee", that's when I walk away from the conversation.
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posted June 10, 2005 10:15 AM
Greenside said,
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When I'm out in hoot owl country
Since I've spent much time in my life doing research on owls, including several different species that hoot, trill and just all out scream, I would appreciate it if, from now on, if you would dispense with the use of such a colloquial and vernacular phrase as "hoot owl" and, rather, refer to them specifically by their proper species name, i.e., great horned owl, barred owl, spotted owl, screech owl, saw whet owl, barn owl, etc..
And, for future reference, the same goes for "chicken hawks". Thank you very much.
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