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Topic: Are you full of it or jest joshin'?
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Locohead
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posted May 26, 2005 03:34 PM
Leonard,
I could of sworn I read you post something about a coyote not able to raise its tail above its back?!?! I tried to find the post to reread it before posting, but I couldn't find it.
I watched a coyote and its mate one day running around in CRP and one of them was prancing about and flying around his tail like a flag. 2 weeks earlier we'd killed a coyote out of the exact same spot.
P.S. jest joshin about the being full of it part...
But fer real for real I saw it happen
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Leonard
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posted May 26, 2005 04:26 PM
I was halfway serious. I knew as soon as I said anything, some body would dispute it. Never thought it would be you. ![[Frown]](frown.gif) No, I had heard that before, and watched for it, but actually never have seen a coyote with his tail in the air? Learn something new every day.
BTW can you prove it? LB
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onecoyote
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posted May 26, 2005 04:37 PM
LOL @ prove it.
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albert
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posted May 26, 2005 05:12 PM
Rich Higgins were are you?
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Locohead
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posted May 26, 2005 06:34 PM
"Talk about your four door sedans...WOW!!!!!"
Nevermind. That's one of my kids' favorite lines from Scooby Doo. Anyway...WOW, it never occured to me to try to prove it. It's possible I have it on video, just not sure..I'll check ![[Smile]](smile.gif) its been a couple of years since I've used the video camera, it had been about a year before AZ, but the sand there killed my camera and now its been almost 2 years. I really miss it!!!!
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Leonard
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posted May 26, 2005 06:40 PM
YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS, Danny? AZ has sand?
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Locohead
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posted May 26, 2005 06:51 PM
For what's it worth, I suppose the tail posture is maybe in some way an indication of its mood. Maybe it's a communicative posture, I haven't a clue. (I've never seen a coyote come running to a call with its tail in the air.) I can say with certainty though, that the coyotes had "ZERO" idea I was in the area. (If that means anything) I happened upon them when I snuck into this area. I was more just observing.
They caught my wind rather quickly and split (tail down I might add) They didn't seem to be mousing around but rather just checking things out. Maybe they were hoping to find some new territri, Quien sabe?
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Leonard
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posted May 26, 2005 06:55 PM
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an indication of its mood.
Yeah, like smelling buttholes, right?
Did you see a coyote with his tail over his back, or ¿no?
Good hunting. LB
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Melvin
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posted May 26, 2005 08:57 PM
Maybe they are coydogs?...I don't see where there would be any difference than a coyote having his tail turned and pointed at his anal...This is comunication,telling the other coyote,the rabbit went down the hole!
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Locohead
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posted May 27, 2005 07:39 AM
yeah, way above. His tail was curled up like a malamut, but it was more straight and flopping side to side in the wind. This conversation is silly. LOL
Of course it normal, you guys just havn't seen it happen yet. By the way, does a tree make a sound when it falls in the forest?
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 27, 2005 01:04 PM
Tail position is an important communication source to the coyote. Generally the more submissive the behavior the more tucked the tail. Aggressive coyotes elevate their tail as a visual signal to enhance the aggressive display. In fact the black patch over the supracaudal gland is considered to be a target to aid in the sniffing ritual. The black tip also enhances tailwagging displays. Coyotes will elevate their tails during pre-copulatory behavior and scientists believe that is a reflection of the close relationship between courtship and aggression. That is also why coyotes will elevate the tail during play. Ronnie Robison sent me a video of coyotes killing a javelina and the two coyotes doing the work have their tails stuck almost straight up part of the time. I'm sure balance had a role but I'm also sure the aggressive behavior accounted for it as well.
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Melvin
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posted May 27, 2005 02:10 PM
Well explained Rich ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Melvin
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posted May 27, 2005 03:07 PM
Most times,if not always,aggression is shown with arched back,but then at times they will have tightly tucked tail,with arched back,this is showing submissive behavior, even though the back is arched...sometimes coyotes will raise there tail when,"group howling"...When calling coyotes in it would be very unatural for them to raise there tail...But in there natural realm of living,it happens as,"Rich just said"As a form of comunication...When a female turns her tail to the side... Thats another story ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
[ May 27, 2005, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Melvin ]
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Tim Behle
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posted May 27, 2005 06:31 PM
Rich,
Why do some coyotes have black tips, but in other areas, they have white tips?
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 27, 2005 06:41 PM
Tim, I've discussed this with several people in the past, with Mike Jaeger just last week. No one knows. I wonder, and I'm not afraid to look foolish and ask, but I've never seen an alpha with a white tip, and no one I've talked to has either. If the tail tips and patches enhance displays, perhaps the coyotes with a genetic predisposition to excess submission are aided by nature with a white tip? What do you think?
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Tim Behle
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posted May 27, 2005 07:03 PM
I don't think I've ever thought about it in terms of dominance. Most coyotes I've observed, were either in a pen or a trap. Nearly all coyotes act submissive at that point. I've only seen a few trapped coyotes act aggressive once I walked up to the circle.
I've never had the patience to watch a called coyote like you do.
I thought it more might be a further subdivision of a species. Kind of like blondes, brunettes and redheads. Does color truly dispose them to act in a certain way, or do redheads have a more fiery temper, because they have been told about fiery tempered Redheads all of their lives?
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Yellerdog
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posted May 27, 2005 07:23 PM
I don't think the white tip theory is correct.
I shot this male on 5/11/05. He came in very aggresively after returning my howls. He was on the ground dead at three minutes from the my howl. He came in from a low area over 500 yards out. He died at 175 yards when he stopped to pin point my location. As you can see he's got a white tip and a whole lot of other white.
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Leonard
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posted May 27, 2005 07:49 PM
Well, I've said this before, don't remember which board, or when?
It used to be, at one time, I could see a white tip and invariably, they all came from Arizona, most of them the southern half. I mean, it was almost diagnostic, if you were curious where others were hunting on any given weekend.
That started changing and it seemed that slowly, Iwas seeing white tips in most western states. Not many, they have always been the minority, but some were full adult males. As Tim said, I don't have the patience to watch them for indications of alpha behavior; it's shoot 'em and pick 'em up. Also, If I had an agressive coyote respond and killed him, I was not much on details....hey look at this white tip! No, that came later, at check in.
For some reason, I do like the white tips, they still seem unique, to me?
Good hunting. LB
PS, Danny and Rich. You guys will probably go blind, sorry. I just heard about it today.
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Locohead
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posted May 27, 2005 09:27 PM
LOL
I could be reading into things...but are you refering the the superstition of spotting a dog go poop??? LOL
And what the heck does Mick Jagger know about coyotes anyway?!?!
oooops, Mike Jaeger, Dang that "Lysdexia"
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brad h
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posted May 27, 2005 10:15 PM
Danny
That may have something to do with a perscription pill, if that's what you mean.
For your sake and mine, I hope they fix it soon.
Kinda ironic though.
Brad
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posted May 27, 2005 10:58 PM
I agree Leonard, white tip tails, I thought, were merely a particular distinction of another sub-species? Thats all it takes to make a sub, or so my wildlife biologist buddy tells me, subtle color patterns, or body shape.
I have to make mention of the guys photo of that coyote, did you see the white "boots" on that thing....never seen a color pattern like that on any coyote Ive seen?
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2dogs
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posted May 28, 2005 03:29 AM
Of all the coyotes, I've seen. Personally I can't recall ever seeing one with a White tip. Seen some with a little "diry white" mixed in, but not all white.
Yellerdog,
Thats one pretty colored yote, ya got there.
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Cal Taylor
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posted May 28, 2005 07:06 AM
Never seen a coyote that has a white tip up here. Pretty unique looking to me.
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Locohead
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posted May 28, 2005 08:42 AM
Wierd Cal. We've got 'em down south too. Sometimes they are a black tipped tail except for the very very end that has a tiny bit of white. I can PROVE that.
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Byron South
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posted May 28, 2005 08:46 AM
About 1 out of 10 or so around here has a white tip. I have noticed that on the younger coyotes with white it may only be a few hairs. I don't think however it has anything to do with whether or not they are more or less dominant as I have killed some I'm sure were the Alpha with white tips. Here is a picture of one such coyote. He was without doubt the boss dog.
Yellerdog,
That is a unique looking coyote.
Byron
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