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Rob
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posted April 06, 2005 02:18 PM
A private landowner near Gardiner, MT shot a wolf that was attacking his mules on his private property on March 30th. The landowner immediately reported the shooting and left the scene undisturbed as required by the new 10j regulation. Service and MTFWP law enforcement investigated and concluded that there was physical evidence that livestock were being harassed and molested. The new rule allows citizens in the experimental population areas of Montana and Idaho to legally shoot a wolf attacking, chasing, or harassing livestock and physical evidence confirms such. To date 3 wolves- 2 in Montana and one in Idaho have been shot by landowners.
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varmit hunter
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posted April 06, 2005 02:36 PM
" Attacking,chasing,or harassing livestock". Weather PETA admits it are not. That pretty well sums up a Wolfs résumé.
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Baldknobber
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posted April 06, 2005 02:42 PM
The new rule is a good thing. Maybe this will help open the eyes of the Dept of F&W, if they have conclusive evidence that is on record. My brother in Texas knows some ADC people from NM and they have been dispatching several wolves tracing to livestock kills. Two years ago I read an article in Livestock Weekly about the Adobe Ranch in the Datil, NM area. THey had something like 26 calves killed on their calving grounds and could do nothing about it. At least now they and the F&W can both do something.
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Leonard
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posted April 06, 2005 05:14 PM
All well and good, but I want a season on wolves. I'm not happy with Wildlife services taking them out. Same thing with issuing permits on lions, in CA. We need to hunt them critters.
Good hunting. LB
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Western Rifleman
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posted April 12, 2005 04:46 PM
And thats an understatement to say the Least!
I spent almost 3 hours in U.S. Senator Craig Thomas's office (R-Wy.) on the predator problems here in Wyoming a few weeks ago.
Wyoming has a 5 tier predator problem, 4 of which are lethal to humans:
1. Grizzlies
2. Black Bears
3. Wolves
4. Mountain Lions
5. Coyotes
Recently the federal aerial hunters shot about 25 coyotes over a weekend ... all 25 out of 25 had a bellyful of deer meat.
Numbers are constantly increasing on these predators.
Cas
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Melvin
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posted April 16, 2005 04:00 PM
Wyoming has a 5 tier predator problem, 4 of which are lethal to humans:
1. Grizzlies <--
2. Black Bears <--
3. Wolves ?
4. Mountain Lions <--
5. Coyotes ?
I know 3 on that list you are referring to as leathal to humans..I'm guessing the 4th you refer to is the wolf..Is there a documentation of a wolf killing a human?I'v had a wolf growl at me several times in Ontario but it never attacked...It still went to see its maker in that sweet by and by...This was before you had to hire a guide to hunt there
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Western Rifleman
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posted April 16, 2005 07:53 PM
Melvin and all . . .
Are you kidding me? (And Congrats. Melvin on you nailing your Wolf!! Way to go!! :-) )
Well, last summer I moved from Alaska to Wyoming after almost 20 years in Alaska. Main reason was that the Wolves and Grizzlies in Alaska have Trashed our Moose and Dall Sheep population (along with people's livestock). Before moving, I sent a letter to Every newspaper in Wyoming (thru the Wy. Press Association). A small portion of that letter apears below:
"What are wolves capable of and what do they do???
To be happy at -20 below, a grown 120 lb. wolf (1500 lb. sq. in. jaw strength) likes 25 lbs. of fresh hot meat per day if he has his druthers. That they kill "only the sick and
weak" is a MYTH and a tree-hugger LIE. In the spring as cow moose lie
on sunny hillsides having their calves, wolves will rip them open, kill
both the mom and the calf, frequently leaving without even taking a
bite. Wolves kill for the FUN OF IT. Wolves can drive a Grizzly off a
moose kill. Wolves are murderously efficient and they are living,
breathing, killing machines. I cannot stress this enough, and I am not
being melodramatic in the least. I am simply being accurate and plain
speaking with no exaggeration whatsoever. I am not interested in any
exaggeration. I am Only interested in accurate facts and numbers
and that is what I offer. Alaska has lived with wolves just about
forever, and we now have the exploded population of between 15,000 and
20,000 wolves due to such Over-protection by the bunny-huggers. I DO NOT
want Wyoming to suffer our fate here in Alaska caused by wolves.
A pack may range/travel FAR in excess of 200 sq. miles. On the average
(approx.), a wolf will kill 12 moose or 33-36 caribou per year depending
on what area of Alaska he is in. We have wolf packs in excess of 30 to 40 wolves.
Your Elk in Wyoming are comparable to our Caribou being slaughtered by wolves.
Grab your calculator and You do the math.
I implore you to tell Your Governor to pick up the phone and call Our
Governor [former U.S. Senator] Frank Murkowski (I've chatted with him
before and he Does listen) to discuss our aerial Wolf Control Program
and also, HOW we classify wolves -- that is, as BOTH a Big Game animal (5 per
year; harvest w/ hunting license) AND a Furbearer (harvest with your rifle or
trap/snare) w/ Trapping license (unlimited harvest). Works very well,
and also extra revenue for the state from Trapping license sales.
That would work Wonderfully for Wyoming!!!
It was my idea and that of a good friend in Delta, Alaska who hunts
Wolves and coyotes for a living that the Major KEY to a predator control
program must be: PRIVATIZATION!!
In other words, NOT state employees, but PRIVATE CITIZENS LIKE ME OR YOU
volunteer and be trained by Game and Fish (biologists) to collect data,
catalogue it take photographs, collect stool samples, pull repo. (reproductive) tracts,
collect DNA samples, etc. etc. after killing Wolves. Being that these
wolf hunters will be Private Citizens:
No expense to the state of Wy. (politicians will LOVE that)!
Selected pilots (experienced, as here in Alaska) could be granted
permits to aerial hunt wolves...in each plane is a pilot and a gunner.
Can and do wolves attack humans?? YES. They are a Predator - thats
what Predators do. For reference see the report below that our former
liberal governor never wanted the public to see: Technical Bulletin 13.
You can just call Alaska Fish & Game in Juneau at the number below to get a
free one mailed to you, as described down below, and/or view it online.
Wolves are vicious efficient killers ... kinda like Jaws, 'cept Jaws
is in the ocean and Wolves are on the land. Terribly destructive! Your
wonderful Wyoming Deer and Sheep and Elk will continue to be slaughtered
unless the wolves are held in careful check Very Quickly. There is no way around
that.
The official name of the report is:
"A Case History of Wolf-Human Encounters in Alaska and Canada", by Mark
E.McNay (biologist, AK. Dept. Fish & Game) ---
Alaska Dept. of Fish and Game Wildlife Technical Bulletin 13 (2002).
This report documents Wolf/Human encounters and divides causes into 6
causative factors. They are free, and you can call - Cathy Brown @ Dept.
Fish & Game in Juneau for your copies at 907-465-4176; she was very happy to
send some to me.
Here is the URL to also see it online:
http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/pubs/techpubs/research_pdfs/techb13_full.pdf
For the sake of future hunting in Wyoming (as well as Idaho and
Montana) I am IMPLORING you folks to get the Wolf Control program and hunting set
up Somehow, but you NEED a season and a limit, otherwise the feds will have to be justifiably beaten in court, and Yes it is also a States rights issue for Sure! Other matters can be addressed later. However, Each Day that passes with NO resolution spells the slaughter of Wyoming's big game and ranchers' livestock, every single day, day by day, night by night.
So, we have Federal imbeciles wanting to introduce Grizzlies and Wolves into our areas, like for instance near Sinks Canyon where there is a camp for kids?!!?! CRIMNEY !!! From a legal/law enforcement perspective I could call that a potential criminal charge of Reckless Endangerment. Tell me, WHO will answer to the mauling and death of the next child or adult that gets attacked and maimed/killed??? A 260 lb. adult man was recently attacked while jogging by a Wolf in Canada.
Finally and to encapsulate a bit, the "genie is out of the bottle"
already -- those wolves ARE COMING more and more, and ANYONE (read: idiot
tree-huggers) who would DELIBERATELY introduce this vicious killing
machine into your midst (Our midst) is certifiably insane...as well as criminally culpable to say the least. Its not a whole lot different than putting a rattlesnake into somebody's mailbox -- Eventually, somebody is going to get bit.
All I am doing here is trying to communicate some various workable options to folks in Wyoming to solve this very real crisis that has been forced upon us, and that Alaskans have faced and suffered already.
I beg you to heed my well-intentioned feedback as my motive is to spare
Wyoming what we here in Alaska have suffered. Its not happy being here in
Alaska anymore." *********************
Cas
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Melvin
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posted April 16, 2005 09:23 PM
Thanks for the info..I have always known wolves were fierce predators..There reasoning for introducing wolves in yellow stone was to keep elk,buffalo and other prey animals in check..What there studies have produced i have no idea..but then who could believe what they said about it anyhow..Another reason for stocking wolves were ''They were there to begin with''now this was there reasoning for introducing the wolf..how they pulled this off with ranchers and hunters against it i don't know..I do know you got one tough battle on your hands..I will see if i can be of any help..I would also like to have a little more input on this subject...By the way that was a female wolf
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Leonard
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posted April 16, 2005 10:23 PM
There are those that would dispute the statement that wolves were in Yellowstone, before. But, it sounds logical, doesn't it?
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Z
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posted April 17, 2005 07:51 PM
There will be a day in the not too distant future when we will be paying the gov't. to aerial gun the wolves. Being from Montana myself I think it was the most assanine move ever by the Fish and Game or whoever was really behind it. I don't even want to get started so I will just stop now. I would like to say that they don't have a brain in their heads, but maybe it would be better to say they didn't have the guts to stop the reintroduction. Anybody who has read any studies about wolves could only come to only one conclusion. But we are ruled by PCness. It does not take a rocket scientist to see this from beginning to end. All political and as usual they didn't listen to the people most influenced. Namely farmers, rancher, and hunters. OK I will stop now. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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Jack Roberts
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posted April 17, 2005 10:25 PM
The whole: wolf, big predators, reintroduction thing is an anti thing. Once the major predators have decimated the game population there is no need for hunters to control the population. One less reason for guns.
Jack
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Kokopelli
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posted April 22, 2005 02:44 AM
Heed Jack's words, for he is wise. To the anti's mind, when a wolf or a coyote pulls down an animal and starts feeding while it's still alive....that's natural. When we double lung something with broadhead or bullet.....that's cruel & must be stopped.
A wolf is nothing but a big coyote on steroids.
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