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Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on December 26, 2004, 08:16 PM:
You mentioned ghillie suits the other day. I'd like to hear more pro's/cons from you all and reasons for them please. Loren
Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on December 26, 2004, 09:07 PM:
I can think of some reasons against them. First, you really don't need them. Second, they are impractical. They will hang-up on any vegetation at all. Third, they can get in the way of shooting and seeing.
They might be worth the trouble if you needed them, but you don't.
Jack
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 26, 2004, 11:55 PM:
Yeah, about what Jack said. If all a ghillie suit did was offer perfect concealment, it still would have too many negatives.
Besides what was mentioned, that mess of yarn or strips of rag have a way of hanging down and covering your face, or the scope, and severely limiting your visibility on those coyotes that pop up close. You sure don't need one for distance, they have not begun to search until they get reasonably close.
In places where I go, that material snags on everything, I have even had it drape in my action as I tried to close the bolt for a second shot. It's god awful hot in the desert, and way too heavy, when I like to wear camo with mesh panels for ventilation.
Biggest reason has already been stated; you don't need it! Okay, okay....unless you are filming, and want the animal to hang around for a long time, which I don't. First time he stops, in range, I shoot.
Ghillie suits are for snipers in a war setting; hunting humans.
My opinion. But if you like to play dress up, I'm all for it. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good hunting. LB
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[ December 27, 2004, 12:02 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on December 27, 2004, 07:24 AM:
I spent the money for a kit and built one. I have worn it coyote hunting on exactly one stand. It is jute? and it reeks. I hosed it down and hung it out side for weeks (actually hoping it would blow away), and it still stinks. But my boy takes it out once in a while and hides from his little sister then scares her half to death. We have some bushes in our yard and he crawls in them with it on and is about impossible to see.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on December 27, 2004, 08:23 AM:
Yeah, I spent Lord only knows how many hours building one out of jute from a kit. Took it out one time, wore it on a couple stands, that was it. That jute not only reeks, but the fibers get EVERYWHERE and on EVERYTHING. Scratchy too. Pain in the butt!
Then too, I head somewhere that the stuff was quite flamable. I lit a small bundle of it to see, and da-yamn that stuff burns good! My partner smokes like a freight train. Can just see spark from one of his Marlboros or one of my cigars landing deep in the jute and smoldering until it lit up good. If I ever was going to wear that thing again, I'd have to look into fireproofing it first. Seriously.
- DAA
Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on December 27, 2004, 10:26 AM:
Sure appreciate hearing that all. I was kinda looking to get one but that's about gone now. Loren
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on December 27, 2004, 11:04 AM:
The normal ghillie suit concept is too much for predator hunting...
While it is not required, I do like the 3d camo outfits that are offered by Cabelas, LLBEAN, or ASAT; Generically defined as leafy wear;
it is a light material sewned to netting and then cut to resemble leafs... I have used this stuff for everything from turkey and deer hunting to coyote and archery elk hunting... it seems to be as effective as a ghillie suit in that I have had people walk right by me (e.g. within 10 yds, had deer walk up to me, e.g. 3ft or less).
Again, it isn't required.. but it does work in helping to breakup your outline...
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 27, 2004, 12:05 PM:
Thanks, Norm. I was going to mention that leafy clothing a couple times but it slipped my mind. I agree, it's very effective, but as I don't call "to me" all the time, I feel that standard camo gear is enough.
Speaking of which....
Geeze. Is this CAMO craze getting out of hand, or what? I really have a problem with totally un functional camo, from ball point pens to tee shirts.
But this is getting ridiculous.
Christmas gifts I received included a "camo" message board, a "camo" picture frame, and the be all, and end all of worthless gear: a package of camo lunch bags!
Good hunting. LB
Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on December 27, 2004, 12:42 PM:
Camo has recently become obsessive and very marketable, vehicles, underware, furniture, and everything els imagineable I suppose. I haven't seen a house done yet, but I'm sure they're out there.
My favorites are old, wore out, faded Carharts. Otherwise I use Prairie Ghost in warm weather. I got a Cabelas snow camo winter suit for Christmas a few years back that I do like in snow and cold weather, but I know for a fact that full black Carharts will also work in snow, almost an opposite effect. Again, that's getting a coyote into shooting range.
I do like the fact that a coyote can be called in very close with a ghillie.
Brad
Posted by keekee (Member # 465) on December 27, 2004, 01:25 PM:
I just got threw building a Gullie suit, it was a waist of time, man I spent some major time puting this thing togeather to. I wanted it for filming but it seems to have way to many down falls to be worth it! I made 5 stands in it yesterday morning and hated every one. Its hard to walk in, gets cought on everything, hard to see well with them, they stink, that stuff gets on everything! In your truck, your close, everything! Im going to stick to the leafy wear and use it.
Rich Higgins uses some kind of neting or something, it works well. Tell us about what you use rich!
Brent
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on December 27, 2004, 04:55 PM:
Send me some money, Brent. Lots of it. Then I'll tell.
Posted by keekee (Member # 465) on December 28, 2004, 02:25 PM:
Sorry Rich Im fresh out! All I have is a few pieces of turned wood????
Brent
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on December 28, 2004, 04:04 PM:
Got one. Keep it in the toolbox for when I need it. Don't use it often, but it's handy when it's needed. Like it. If I had to trade between a few threads in my mouth and getting real close to a coyote in a spot that is otherwise uncallable, I'll tolerate the threads. Guess I'm alone on this one, huh?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 28, 2004, 04:14 PM:
God Bless you.
Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on December 28, 2004, 05:11 PM:
Lance, I was wondering when you would get the time to respond to this one. LOL I wouldn’t say that you were alone. I still want to build me one, there are places that have little vegetation for a backdrop. The contours of the land are the “cover” and I’m not one to call prone so jute and stuff everywhere is what will open those areas up for me.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on December 28, 2004, 06:35 PM:
Bryan,
I no more dismiss the value of a tool like the ghillie than I would dismiss the value of misting or anything else found lying just outside the box. Hunting an area like the short-grass high plains, there's no need for them. You can lay down and make 300 yard shots all day long since there's little vertical structure to impede your vision. Been there. Been here. Learned that compared to there, my area just sucks. LOL
Shooting from prone is ideal. Hunting the panhandle this year was the first time I really had a chance to do that and, given the opportunity to do it again, I would. Shooting prone, that is. (Hunting the panhandle, too, for that matter.) But, I've looked far and wide to see if I can find even one place in my area where such a set up is feasible and... it ain't! (That is, unless you're laying in the middle of the road.) Funny thing about the tallgrass prairie. From a distance, it looks like there ain't nothing out there. Just "grass". Maybe, ankle deep. Get in the middle of it and it's about knee high, waist deep, or over your head. In heavily grazed (short) areas, the grass is about 18-inches tall, thick enough that you can't see the dirt it's growing out of, and dense enough that you might see ten feet if you're in a "good" spot. One of my favorite spots last year is uncallable right now because the big bluestem is two feet taller than I am, and I'm 6-foot.
Of the limited places where my ghillie is suitable, the best is in rolling pastures with good grass management, ergo no cedar trees or woody forbs a.k.a. no backing. The coyotes will lay up in the low washes and there is no place within a half-mile to set up for cover. Best you can do is make your approach under cover of terrain in a ghillie, circle around a hill and stay low. The ghillie allows you to sit up in country where prone is impossible and where there is nothing to sit in front of, behind or beside. If you don't have a ghillie, you drive thru the middle of it with your truck until they come running out, then jump out and shoot them.
Oh, and thanks, Leonard. I can use all the help I can get.
Posted by Barndog (Member # 255) on January 03, 2005, 04:22 PM:
Any one try the digi camo? Suppose to be the thing to buy for 2005? As for me, I'll stick with the old army issue woodland (faded from use), cheap and it works for coyote, deer, elk, etc.
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