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Leonard
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posted September 05, 2004 12:24 PM
Take a look over on the dark side, a post that asks a question about the 204Ruger, in the real world.
Take note of how it progresses, who becomes abusive, who gets defensive-makes body count claims to back up their opinion, who asks who to leave because they disregard expert advice?
Then come back and tell me what you think of that gang bang.
I'm not looking to start a quarrel. I just want to see if there are others that have the same feeling that I had.
Good hunting. LB
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crapshoot
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posted September 05, 2004 12:54 PM
Looks like a room full of blow hards and ass kissers. Those that dont line up behind the asses of those being kissed get asked to leave or get the boot. I know im not wanted there. Im still trying to figure this place out though.
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Lone Howl
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posted September 05, 2004 01:02 PM
That place always cracks me up. There are guys there that have my respect as far as calling and putting up fur goes, but dang, they get on that board and either kiss ass or get some kind of power trip going. Geez.
Why would you want to hang out on a board where your expected to put your tail between your legs and show submission? I dont get it.
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Norm
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posted September 05, 2004 02:00 PM
so Leonard, what is the point?
Yes the thread got out of hand, but it is now closed... yes it did migrate off topic, but show me a board where that doesn't have topics go off on a tangent...
I have to wonder though, what is the interest in going there and reading posts, especially if there is so much disagreement with the foundation on which the board is built and operates?
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Az-Hunter
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posted September 05, 2004 02:47 PM
The thrust of the thread, I guess, is that a reasoned man, would defer to another, who had true expertise and empirical evidence behind his opinions.
That being said, one has only to observe what our own Q Waggoner uses......a 220 swift.
Can any of you, think of ANYONE.....who shoots more coyotes, and puts up more fur than Q?
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Rich Higgins
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posted September 05, 2004 02:57 PM
Leonard and Norm, I stopped by and read the thread. Standard fare for the blackboard. Stormin' does a good job of remaining objective and reasonable. Others seem to take pride in the pitbull approach. I communicated with Blaine a couple of times before he became a regular over there and I enjoyed his opinions and experiences, he was curteous and respectful. I'm not familiar with the screaming, ranting tyrant that posted under his name on that thread.
Norm, you sound just a little embarrassed and defensive of that thread and that is exactly why some of us cruise over there and check out the board occasionally. The gangbangs are kinda like freeway accidents, you really want nothing to do with them, but you can't help but to stare as you go by.
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Leonard
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posted September 05, 2004 03:17 PM
I'm sorry, Norm. I know you have many friends over there, but I really thought the attitude was a little overbearing, and that was my point. And, yes, things can get sideways on any board, here included. I don't tell people how to hunt coyotes, though. Sometimes I tell them what I do. And, I take a lot of crap before I suggest that someone finds a place they like more, and usually the problem is that someone doesn't like what I say, rather than the other way around.
Another thing, I don't want our members to gang up on somebody with the sole reason being that they don't like the gun that he uses. Personally, I have never read a thread elsewhere, where a man was attacked for such an innocent thing as telling the group that he bought a new gun and he likes it.
So, that's my point, Norm. I think it was a little over the top, even if the man had failed to read the Board rules, and figure out the lay of the land.
Good hunting. LB
edit: I want to be sure you understand, Norm. We often discuss things that happen other places around the 'net, the blackboard has no free pass. I thought you were polite, helpful and probably did the right thing by shutting it down, when you did. I wonder if the best approach might be to delete a thread like that right away, because it was like Deja Vu all over again? I think we all knew somebody was going to be vilified, before the victim.
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Tim Behle
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posted September 05, 2004 07:48 PM
Norm,
I don't go there much anymore. In fact, Joyce still reads it and shows me a page about once a month and that's it. But I followed Leonard's lead today and took a look.
I thought you did a good thing in closing that thread. It's just a damned shame the person who posted just before you didn't do the same.
I've had a lot of respect for Blaine Eddy Over the years. At first I thought he was just having a bad day and snapped at the guy. Understandable, I've had the same thing happen to me several times. Maybe he's having a real bad week. What ever the reason, his responses were uncalled for, but unfortunately they are promoted there. I'm hoping that what ever it is that is eating at him soon goes away and he returns the to same Blaine that I've held respect for, for so long.
You are in a difficult position, I've been there myself more than I'd care to think about. You have my utmost respect and admiration for being able to hold a fair and objective opinion for so long.
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Bryan J
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posted September 05, 2004 08:20 PM
I have a hard time getting there at all. I have posted a few times and Stormin’ seemed to be a voice of reason and I never got over there to thank him for his response. So I have not read the thread.
Az-hunter I don’t know if Blaine puts up more fur than Q but he comes close. Here is what he did last year.
However we all know that it isn’t the Swift or the 17 that actually kills all those coyotes. It is the hard work and discipline of the men behind them. One man doesn’t care if he has to sew a little the other hates it with a passion. They have both chosen a caliber that best suites their needs. Blaine takes it a little personal if he reads that the 17 is not effective on coyotes when he does so well with it.
Tim, you are right Blaine is not himself right now I hope he can get it cleared up soon too.
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Cdog911
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posted September 06, 2004 06:07 AM
Bucksnort,
You're right. Good reading. As I read, I became more and more convinced that one guy I know in particular is a mythomaniacal narcicist (how you like them fancy words?) with severe self esteem issues. He's a major name dropper and if you want to really piss him off, one of those times he drops someone's name, ask him why no one ever drops his name.
To counter and combat this particular individual whose lying and narcicism has caused a great deal of hurt and grief for many, many people over the past fifteen years, we've just begun calling him on his lies. Everytime he makes some grandiose claim or statement, we provide incontravertible evidence to the contrary. That shuts him up. Because we've taken the time (and cared enough ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ) to challenge him at every point (and help him get the loving care he so desperately needs), he has learned, essentially, to shut the F up, thus he finds himself in fewer conflicts with the rest of us. This has been very therapeutic for all of us. I don't know if the same thing would be possible over there, but I do know that there's little chance that any of the therapists with the Bubba mental health group will ever have a chance to help.
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R.Shaw
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posted September 06, 2004 07:57 AM
If I remember correctly, Blaine Eddy is going through a divorce now. From experience, that could explain his nasty attitude.
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Greenside
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posted September 06, 2004 08:30 AM
Seems to me that would be a lame ass excuse for a public flogging of someone who was just stating his opinion. I wonder why he's getting a divorce?
Anyone else think that Stormin Norman should be a professional arbitrator?
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Norm
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posted September 06, 2004 10:25 AM
Greenside; I don't care to be an arbitrator...
I just firmly believe that there are multiple methods to completing the same task. Are some better than others, you bet. Do personal preferences make it easier for someone to complete a task using different tools, yet do it effectively.. Absolutely...
I cringe when Leonard shoots a coyote with the 6mm vs a 19 Calhoon or some version of a .17, but so be it. I am not going to change his approach to harvesting coyotes.
I doubt that I will ever use a dog to help me harvest coyotes, but whom am I to judge those that do. Now I do have some strong feelings as many have read in regard to radioed hounds trespassing, but my feelings are not going to change the minds of those that use this method.
God created each of us as individuals. He gave us the power to make choices. We are all responsible to use the wisdom we have gained either through experiences, mentors, or reading, to make the choice that we as individuals are comfortable with... (e.g. I choose not to chew and suck on those things that look like donkey dicks, yet I won't tell those that do that they are wrong for doing it...)
I do find it difficult when we as a nation are often unwilling to accept the opinions of others, just because we don't think it is the "right" way.
I am only aware of a few certain absolutes and those are in the Bible. The paths to completing other tasks in life are many.... may we all be happy with path we are taking...
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Lonny
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posted September 06, 2004 08:55 PM
I had to go over and take a look... It almost makes you feel embarrassed and sick at the way some of those guys try to get an atta boy from JH.
My only question is, One of the apostles stated that between Blaine and JH they have killed 4000 coyotes. Blaine stated that he killed 2000 over his years of killing coyotes. Blaine comes across as honorable and truthful. So has JH really killed 2000 coyotes? JH sure didn't jump in and correct the guy and say it was "only 1456" or something like that.
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Leonard
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posted September 06, 2004 10:41 PM
Two hundred or two thousand, doesn't matter to me; but I hope you get an honest answer to your question, Lonny.
A few things I picked up along the way was that Blaine uses different stuff for different situations, from 14 caliber to 6/284, if I recall correctly? At least he understands, or he used to know, what to use and when to use it. Now, it sounds like he is saying that there just is not any other possibility but a 17 Remington, or you are in trouble.
As far as reasons for mouthing off, I guess there might be a number of reasons for being rude and acting like they wrote the whole book? Divorce may well be one of them?
I remember that Blaine checked in to Huntmasters a while ago and was friendly until some rabble rouser questioned him on the number of animals he lost with his seventeen caliber. He had claimed ½ of one percent, and some dude(?) called BS, and he got insulted and never came back. A little thin skinned, Seems like? Like they are accusing another man of being, (was his name dill?) on the thread in question.
I don't care beans about who puts up the most fur every winter. That doesn't make their opinion anything more than just another opinion. However, that damn sure is some nice looking goods, I'll say that!
I don't like the bona fides where a guy says: "You have to believe me" because I am 6'8" or I killed more coyotes than you did. If I tell you something that you don't want to believe, on it's own merits, that's strictly up to you. I'm not going to suggest that I'm smarter and better looking and I've been kicked out of the best Universities in the Country. Some people would consider that a bluff, and I've played enough cards to read what a man is holding just by his attitude.
Anyway, not a big deal, in the grand scheme of things, unless you got a hankering to be famous.
Good hunting. LB
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DAA
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posted September 07, 2004 05:38 AM
I haven't read the thread over there yet. Not sure I'm going to.
Blaine is a friend though, a good friend. Whatever he's said to somebody over there, I bet he had at least some reason for it. I won't speculate beyond that. Whatever happened, it won't change my opinion of Blaine.
He left here because he got flatly and pointedly called a liar. Which he's not. I left here for awhile at the same time, for the same reason.
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Leonard
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posted September 07, 2004 08:23 AM
Dave,
you can be sure that you are always welcome here, and if somebody jumps on you, I will help. But, we both know that the Internet is a rough place. People say a lot of things. We can't get upset when someone that we don't know, says something rude. Then, they think they won. Over there, on that thread, they all jump a guy and then tell him that he needs to develop a thicker skin.
If you want to see an example of people totally out of control on the Internet, check out the Current Event Chats on AOL. Maybe other providers have similiar, but that stuff is for idiots.
Remember though, all these nice fellows beat this guy up because he wasn't using an approved gun in the Church of the Seventeen. I have read words from both of the big guns, that they have used different calibers, at different times, but they forgot to mention it, in this case.
One thing I just thought of. The only person, in this house, that has been or will ever, get beaten to a pulp, is me!
Not even Bill Martz.
Good hunting. LB
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posted September 07, 2004 11:15 AM
Dave, I would expect nothing else from you than to stand by a friend. I didn't pick on Blaine, I said I wasn,t familiar with the ... that posted under his name. His posts were not simply rude, something else was going on there.
Leonard, yup you let those trappers pound you flat. And they pretty much did.
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Duncan Menads
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posted September 07, 2004 11:25 AM
Easy, fellas. A LOT of guys have licked JH's boots. Some have gotten smart and quit doing it, haven't they?
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Krustyklimber
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posted September 07, 2004 11:29 AM
If I haven't recieved a beating or two here, myself, I'll eat my hat.
I am sure I will recieve a well deserved beating here again. LOL ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Leonard
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posted September 07, 2004 01:01 PM
Krusty, you are in a differnt catagory. Those men over there, did not deserve to be beat up, and sometimes you ask for it. I try to deflect some of the plain talk, but it's a fine line I must walk, else they might get rowdy with both of us.
Know what I mean, Vern?
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Krustyklimber
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posted September 07, 2004 03:53 PM
Leonard,
I do know what you mean.
I dunno why you try to "hold them back"?
Is it because you don't want me to tear em up? lol
No really let em say what they want, they usually end up feeling bad for laying into me so hard.
Yeah I bring much of my troubles on myself, and I don't mind a little trouble.
But to be torn up over something as trivial as an honest question, or conversation, about what size pill comes from a gun is just petty.
Dead is dead.
As long as hunters divide into smaller and smaller "splinter groups", failing to offer support of one another, hunting as a sport is doomed.
I stuck my head in the door over at Coyote God's one time, read Mr Henry's warm "welcome" (NOT) and left. I haven't been back since.
I don't have a paid e-mail account so I couldn't join (to be banned mere hours later LOL) if I wanted to.
No loss to me, and to them either I am sure.
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Az-Hunter
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posted September 07, 2004 06:46 PM
I pulled that thread from the bowels of the archives Leonard, whew!, six pages long.
I will correct you on the percentage figure though, it was not 1/2 of one percent, it was 1/4 of one percent. Thats 4.7 coyotes that ran off from being hit with the BB gun, out of "one thousand-nine hundred" coyotes shot.
I checked my post to see if I used the dreaded "L" word. I called it, "a misstatement of the facts". In retrospect, I should have used my standard retort when listening to hunters, telling hunting stories that you know have been embellished, and just said, "wow....thats unbelievable"...................and meant it:)
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Z
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posted September 14, 2004 05:28 PM
Since I don't have much advice to give on this site and don't respond very much I sure do enjoy it. Just got back into coyote calling the past couple of years. Being raised in Northern Montana it was quite a letdown when I moved to Utah ten years ago as far as hunting goes. I grew up in great coyote country and started hunting when good pelts brought $75-$125. Started with a 222 and then decided I needed big medicine and went to the 220. I usually go up the week between x-mas and new year's as I have that week off. A couple of my farmer friends asked me to come up last year to teach them how to call. We called coyotes into the first 3 sets in a row and their eyeballs were as big as saucers. For five days we literally had a blast and found out how poorly we could shoot. Those farmers sell their hides to the same fur buyer that Cal does as they only live about 50 miles away. One of the farmers called me yesterday and told me he had just ordered a 204. He bought a new digital caller and wanted to know when I was headed up to Montana. As we discussed the merits of the 204 I decided to check my "coyote sites" to see what was up since I hadn't looked probably since last March. I also "Cowboy" shoot and that takes up a lot of my "nice" weather time. I checked into the dark side's site. I didn't know what that meant until I read this post, but I do understand now after reading the thread in question which I did last nite. I enjoy the exchange of info and advice on all sites, but reading the thread in question left me feeling a little perturbed. I avoid posting on that site for the reason that if I don't shoot a 17 I don't know anything. I tell you what, I have thought about getting a 17, but everytime I go to that site it ticks me off so much the way the non-17 users are treated and I decide(again) not to get a 17 just to spite those guys. Pretty childish, huh? I'm still thinking about getting one, but if I did I would be danged if I let those guys on that site know it. I was really turned off by that thread. I have never met Blaine, but his success speaks for itself. Koby Bryant, Shag, Karl Malone, and the Lakers past success speaks for itself also. But the Detroit Pistons took a different view of things and accomplished what they wanted to. If Blaine is going through a bad divorce(is there a good one?) my heart goes out to him. However, that site has been a little one-sided since I first logged on to it. That is ok if it is a private site set up to the parameters of the owners. Everyone has an opinion, everyone has a bad day, and every site has problems because of people. That is just the way the world is. I log on to the sites to get advice and opinions. Some I like, some I don't. But that thread was disturbing to me and that is why I read more here than there. Thanks for listening. Talk to you more throughout the season.
By the way, I didn't tell my farmer friend to check out the 204 thread on the dark site. In this instance what he doesn't read won't hurt him.
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