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Bottom line and a provable fact is that the call you use is the least important factor in your ability to call and kill coyotes on a consistent basis

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Are you saying that if all things were equal, as far as stand selection, setup, number of coyotes etc, that two different people using a Crit'r call would end up with the same amount of coyotes at the end of the year? Giving the fact that they made the same amount of stands. I know my calling partner will consistantly outcall me on a Crit'r call, but I probably have the edge on a mini- blaster.

Dennis
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 18, 2004, 07:23 AM:
 
Great question, Dennis.
 

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Posted by Randy Buker (Member # 134) on August 18, 2004, 07:51 AM:
 
In a hunting world, one could never have all things equal.

IF you could, I think your answer would definately be "Yes." But all things would have to be equal and EXACTLY the same. It would never happen.

I agree with Byron that sound is one of the least important factors. I used to get hung up on having a call that made the "Right" sound. But, what I learned is that when I broke or lost that call and was forced to use a different one, it worked just as well. So, to me, it was my stand selection, set-up and such that meant I was going to be successful or not.
 

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Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 18, 2004, 08:08 AM:
 
Dennis,

What I am saying is that the call is somewhat important, but by far not the most important. I believe that an experienced caller armed with nothing more than a kazoo can call more coyotes than a inexperienced caller with the magical WT caller. Too many people put too much emphasis on producing the perfect sound. I believe it's the emotion and amount of desperation in the call is what triggers the best responses. I also believe you don't need high quality speakers to produce this emotion and desperation. I am a fan of the mini blaster and crit'r call. But I don't think one will out call the other. I have my favorites, not because they have better sounds, but because of ease of use (for me), and dependablity. Two of my favorites happen to be the mini blaster and crit'r call because they're so easy to use and do produce the emotion and desperation.
This being said, it matters more what you do before you blow the call, than what call you use.

Does this answer your question?

Byron
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 18, 2004, 08:54 AM:
 
Let's see if we can respond to this statement: If they are there, they will respond. Period.

Ah, but what of the exceptions? The hangups, the suspicion, the circling down wind?

What else do you have in your bag of tricks? I can tell you what I believe, with all my heart. Some sound is more compelling than others.

I have also seen horseshit calling produce results.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 18, 2004, 12:48 PM:
 
I guess I know where you are coming from, and I certainly don't want to get into the good sound vs. poor sound discussion.

As an example of where I'm coming from would be this. Q graciously invites me to Nebraska for a day of calling. At the start of the day he tells me to stay right with him to and also on the stands, but I get to do all the calling for the day.

The case may be that at the end of the day we would have the same number of coyotes killed regardless if Q or if I was calling on a Pee Wee, but I wouldn't be real confident that would be the case. Q very well might be able to outcall me with only simple variations in pitch or tone on the same call.

My thinking is that if good sound can turn a 1 coyote day into a 2 coyote day, that it's a major factor in calling coyotes.

Dennis
 

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Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 18, 2004, 01:57 PM:
 
Dennis, I see what your saying and would have to agree. My point is that with todays calls it is very easy to make very good distress sounds. That's not a contradiction of my earlier statement. I'll try and say it another way. My 9 year old daughter can make some of the most convincing distress calls on a hand call you've ever heard. It took me only a couple of eavinings working with her for her to get it down pat. She on the other hand would not be very successful out calling coyotes until she learns the basics which will take more than a few outings for her to get a grasp of. Then she wouldn't be what I would consider a better than average caller until she got to paying attention to the details and had more experience. This is why I say that calling is the least important (not that it's not important) it just doesn't take much effort to learn to do, and do well.

On another note, I have noticed that by switching sounds it will sometime spur a coyote into responding that was paying no attention to the other sound. I relate call sounds to what a pro bass fisherman told me one time. He said " it's the presentation of the lure that makes you a better fisherman and not the lure itself". I always have diferent lures in my tackle box, and I believe a good predator hunter should have different calls in his bag. I honestly believe its the presentaion and every thing before that will make you consistently successful.


This has nothing to do with your question Dennis but I just felt I needed to say it. For what its worth, I don't consider myself more than an average caller with an over active passion for calling. I'm certainly no expert, but do manage to kill my share of predators. I also don't think my way is the only way. This is just the things I believe, and they work for me. Others may have other ideas and if they work for them and they have a good time, then what more could you ask for. I don't think there are many cut and dry methods that are good for all situations. I feel the mark of a good hunter of any kind, is the ability to be flexible, and to adapt to changing situations. I for one am glad this is not an easy sport, but also thankful that it don't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. The thing I like most about it is figureing out all the variables, planning a stratagy, setting it all up, and watching it unfold. Sometimes my plan works sometimes it don't, and I'm glad. It keeps me paying attention and trying to learn.

Byron
 

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Posted by keekee (Member # 367) on August 18, 2004, 08:58 PM:
 
I feel that the call you use is not so much of a factor as what sound you produce or pick to use. Its not so much the call but the sound. You haft to deside what sound you are going to use on the stand. For exp...If I set up on a stand that I know has been called. I wont go with a regular sound, I may go with a pup destress or high pitched destress sound.

I think it has more to do with the sound than the call. I have talked with other predator hunters that say the pitch of the sound is what makes the predator resond. I agree with this to a certain point. Not so much that I have every call put threw a computer to see were it will hit. But I think diffrent sounds triger diffrent resonces.

The desishion on what call to run (or what sound to run) on a stand maybe more of a factor than the call its self.

Also I think that how well you blow a call makes a big diffrence, if you feel more confedent blowing a criter call, then you will call more predators with it, because you will use it more. And have more faith in the call. I agree that the feeling you put into a call has a big impact on how many predators you will call to. The more feeling you put in a destress call the more real it will sound and you will also run the full range of the pitch of the call.

Just my thoughts! Do you all agree?

Kee
 

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