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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 15, 2004, 04:46 PM:

Hi Bill.
Most of us have seen a coyotes tail helicopter as a neurological response to the hydrostatic shock of a well-placed shot. I have never considered it to be anything other than a death throe, a muscular spasm, until seeing you describe itin your video as a visual signal of submission.

You state that coyotes wag their tails when struck by a bullet because they perceive being shot as an attack by a stronger adversary and they wag their tails as a signal of submission.
Was that statement your personal opinion or do you have research results that I can access?

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 15, 2004, 06:48 PM:

Yes, if it is not just an involuntary neurological response, then please help us understand how a headshot coyote, with his cranial contents spilled on the sand, has the cerebral capability to deduce the necessity to elicit a submissive behavioral trait. [Confused]

Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on August 15, 2004, 06:54 PM:

Emmm, I've been watching all this and I ain't saying nothing except hi-yas Bill, nice to see you back.

Posted by Rob (Member # 75) on August 15, 2004, 07:05 PM:

[Big Grin]

Posted by Byron South (Member # 213) on August 15, 2004, 07:14 PM:

This dumb, non thinking coyote was unable to spin, but still somehow managed to show his submision by waging his tail [Big Grin]

.

http://comingtothecall.com/videos/7mag.wmv.

Good Hunting

Byron [Big Grin]

[ August 15, 2004, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: Byron South ]

Posted by bearmanric (Member # 223) on August 15, 2004, 07:28 PM:

Byron in your new video some of the coyote's were very submissive. I hope to dominate some this year. I think coyote's are very smart. love hunting them. Rick

Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 15, 2004, 07:28 PM:

Rock chucks and jack rabbits do the same thing. Wonder where they learned that submissive/pack member behavior?

- DAA

Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 15, 2004, 08:30 PM:

I've seen a couple of thousand coons do it too. I always thought is was a signal to me that it was time to acquire a new target. I can't recall ever seeing it, then having the animal get up and leave.

Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on August 15, 2004, 09:18 PM:

Eastern groundhogs do it too, a lot. Sure isn't submissive behavior learned in a pack environment.

Jack

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 15, 2004, 09:26 PM:

I want hard data. Me and EP want to see the studies behind the WAG's in the previous posts. Don't expect us to believe anything without the facts to support it.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by keekee (Member # 367) on August 15, 2004, 09:42 PM:

Where is Bill?????

Kee

Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on August 15, 2004, 09:43 PM:

I always just thought that they were waving good-bye? No studies or documentation just my opinion. Sorry Leonard and EP.

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 15, 2004, 09:51 PM:

Quote, "Don't expect us to believe anything without the facts to support it."

After all, we're just "brain-dead varmint callers" as you so affectionately labeled us.

Posted by keekee (Member # 367) on August 15, 2004, 10:08 PM:

After all, we're just "brain-dead varmint callers" as you so affectionately labeled us.

Hey, Who you called brain dead Nasa? I didnt kill all my brain cell when I was young!...lol

Kee

Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on August 16, 2004, 05:11 AM:

Kee, that's a "quotation" from the video we're talking about here. You mean you don't have a copy yet? [Razz]

Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on August 16, 2004, 05:35 AM:

Right here, Kee. Looks like fish and golf balls got coyotes whiped.

"coyotes are brain-dead, as a matter of fact some coyote hunters fall into the same catagory".

http://www.huntmastersbbs.com/cgi-ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000380

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on August 16, 2004, 03:52 PM:

What about when a coyote shot through the ribs bites at its side and spins a few circles before cashing it in? Does this mean that a coyote reacting in this manner is very aggressive and is willing to take on any adversary? No sign of submission on a reaction like that. [Wink]

[ August 16, 2004, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: Lonny ]

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 16, 2004, 07:25 PM:

I shot one a couple weeks ago on an ADC complaint. Broke her back and blew her aorta to pieces. She went down like a ton of bricks without so much as a flop. Now, her tail didn't spin, so she wasn't submitting to my authoritarian presence, but I don't recall her even so much as objecting to us being there afterwards. At least, she didn't say anything if she was. Also, she crapped all over the place. What's that mean?

And please ignore my sig line. That only applies to my critics. [Smile]

[ August 16, 2004, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]

Posted by keekee (Member # 367) on August 16, 2004, 07:45 PM:

Just a joke.....NASA.

Im not brain dead yet, just killed a few hundred brain cell in my younger days. Didnt take me long to learn my tail spining was killing me.

Kee

Edit....I havent seen the vedio yet. I will haft to pick one up. "I gess"

[ August 16, 2004, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: keekee ]

Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on August 16, 2004, 07:54 PM:

Lonny. He is saing "Bite my ass for puting one through my chest".

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