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Greenside
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posted June 09, 2003 06:11 PM
NEVER SPEAK SHARPLY to an older man, but plead with him respectfully just as he was your own father. TALK to the younger men as you would to much loved brothers. 1 Timothy 5 vs 1
Dennis
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Leonard
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posted June 09, 2003 07:00 PM
Why, thank you, Dennis! ![[Smile]](smile.gif) I think?
Sly has said he has made his last post. I believe him, but there's no particular reason why he can't respond, should he choose to do so, as long as it's civil.
I have not answered a couple rude e-mails from him, and I wouldn't come to the phone when he called a short time ago. Anything I have to say has either been said, or it will be right here, on the board, no back channel crap.
I call the shots on Huntmasters, if he doesn't care to submit the information I asked for, he loses his private room, but I haven't sanctioned or banned him. And, if the situation has become so intolerable here, there's a number of other sites where he can participate. LB
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EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All.
Don't piss me off!
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Seldom Ever
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posted June 10, 2003 05:11 AM
Well,I'm going to interject here,and if it pisses you off Leonard,let me apologize ahead of time,as that is honestly not my intent.I feel like I have a small stake in this,simply because a post to me in the GSPHA forum brought the whole thing on.So here's my two cents,take it or leave it,no harm intended.
It's true it's your site,to do with as you will.That is one thing that always pissed me off about the internet,how undemocratic people can become with a little web power.I'm not saying you are,I'm just saying I see it as a selfish trend,on the www in general.
I don't know whether or not Sly was trying to create his own little "clique",as you alluded to elsewhere,or not.I always thought a club was exactly that, a "clique", a bunch of people belonging to a "special" group. I don't know who belonged to it, or who didn't,in Sly's case.Seems to me they'd almost all have to be members of Huntmasters before they were members of the GSPHA,else how could they post ? So if that's all the criteria you've got as evidence of a clique forming, is that they were all members of Huntmasters first,you don't have any evidence,IMHO.
If the posts within the forum itself are what leads you to believe it's a clique, there's no way anyone but you and sly ,and those who did have access, can know that.Maybe some more explicit rules should've been laid down prior to the creation of the GSPHA forum ?Was sly aware you were moderating it ?
I don't understand why you shut the whole thing down,just because someone posted a simple question to me,in the forum in question ?I could understand it,if someone had started talking about my momma and Rich C's ears or something, ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) but otherwise I don't. Now you can say it's because you're the head cheese,and we all would have to accept that,but in my eyes when people say that,they're indicating they screwed up but haven't got the cajones to own up to it in public,IMHO.
So Sly is gone for a couple of days,comes back,and finds all this sitting in his lap.Maybe he's had a bad week in the bargain? Did anyone explain to him in a nice way what happened,and why the board was shut down,or why suddenly the GSPHA is to be run by web-list permission, as opposed to password,while the other special forum is still churning as always ?
Seems to me some back channel communication would have to be in order,else how can Sly get a grasp on what happened ?
I didn't see Sly's e-mails to you,if they were rude, he shouldn't have done it.But we all do stuff when we get pissed that we wish we hadn't done later.I have seen a couple of instances right here on HM of you letting things go way beyond the pale,Leonard.Seems to me maybe the shutting down of the GSPHA forum was a bit premature,maybe you should've just moderated it until Sly got back,where would the harm have been in that ? Unless there is a history we don't know about ?
Anyhow,seems to me Sly was owed a civil explanation and given a chance to respond before any action was taken.Maybe the sudden changing of the GSPHA security rules was also a bit too harsh of a reaction,under the circumstances ?
If this is simply a question of you feeling like someone is trying to take your pocketbook for a free ride, why not make both club memberships pay you some of there dues, to offset the cost ? If it's really a club,that shouldn't be a problem.If it's not a club,most "members" will sky up when it comes time to part with the dinero.
My two cents Leonard,and I spoke it only because I feel really bad because an entire club was crushed simply because a question was posted to me within the forum. If I've offended you,I apologize,no harm intended.I like the HM forum,and I've learned a lot,and made some LD [in most cases that means long distance ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) ] friends here as well.I appreciate your keeping it running.
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Bob in TX
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posted June 10, 2003 07:29 AM
Shoot, I guess I am glad it is all (or mostly all ![[Wink]](wink.gif) ) in the room........
Bob
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Leonard
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posted June 10, 2003 08:09 PM
SE, your post is a waste of time and it only succeeds in offending me. This matter is history and not subject to debate.
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EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All.
Don't piss me off!
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Seldom Ever
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posted June 11, 2003 03:15 AM
Too bad,that was not my intent. I won't apologize for my post,nor reply in kind to yours.
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Purple220
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posted June 11, 2003 05:41 AM
Leonard, you run a good site here. It is a shame that some of the crap from PM has migrated over to HM. Personally , HM will be better off without Sly. He has a knack of starting crap that doesn't need to be. Looks like there may be someone to replace him. Kind of goes along with govt work. You get rid of one jerk and there is 10 waiting to take his place. Keep up the good work, at least there aren't a bunch of Mods over here. We have been able to take care of our own business.
Bob
[ June 11, 2003, 05:43 AM: Message edited by: Purple220 ]
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Predator Control Specialist......Here Kitty Kitty
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Seldom Ever
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posted June 11, 2003 05:57 AM
Well,it looks like my post trying to keep the peace and straighten things out was taken the wrong way by both Leonard and you, P220.I don't really care what either of you think I intended,I know what was and is in my heart when I post, that is all that counts. I could post a long winded,insulting diatribe in response to either one of you,but it would only perpetuate the ill will that is already being generated here,especially by you,P220.I meant no harm in any post,as a matter of fact I also wrote an e-mail to Sly suggesting he write a nice letter to Leonard and try to make things right,for the sake of the GSPHA,if nothing else. One of you sure needs to straighten it out,since an entire organization is involved.Humble pie is one of those foods like spinach that tastes real bad, and the reward doesn't come until after it's eaten, but it's always worthwhile in the end.
Insults,just like violence,P220,are the last resort of the incompetent.If you can't post anything intelligent that refutes what I've posted,then I guess all that's left for you,in your ignorance,is insults.I am not PM trash, nor am I a jerk, if you were referring to me. However,since this is America,the most democratic nation on earth,you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as well as the right to express it.
I am likewise entitled to fire back an insult,but what would that accomplish,truly ? Nothing.
Obviously you don't know the full story,or at least as much as I know of it,or you wouldn't be calling me a troublemaker.I've done nothing wrong,I only got into this because I felt an invitation for me to join GSPHA,which got lost in cyberspace,brought this whole thing on.I was trying to patch things up,and make things right,not tear down.
I truly wish I'd never been invited to join GSPHA,because at least the club would still be in existence,and as a result it might do something positive for predator hunters both young and old,in Idaho or elsewhere. The way I see it,every predator hunter has lost a little something as a result of this whole thing.
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Cal Taylor
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posted June 11, 2003 07:22 AM
Seldom Ever,
I have kept my nose out of this as long as possible, but if you don't think your post to Leonard was offending you need to go back a re-read it. I have no beef with you or Sly and could care less whether he or you stays or goes, so it has nothing to do with personal feelings. But I do think your post to Leonard was totally uncalled for. First off, do you know anything about GSPHA? Do you know how many members etc. Was it really an orginization, or just a private clubhouse for a few members of someones choice? I would check into that if I were you. I believe Leonard to be fair and I think it was awfully nice of him to let someone start their own little clubhouse at his expense on his BB. Now if they chose to do something bad enough to piss him off and get their clubhouse shut down, that would be between Sly and Leonard and by him saying it was not open for discussion, I would believe that to mean that the rest of us should mind our own business.
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Rich
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posted June 11, 2003 09:11 AM
Cal Taylor,
There was a time not long ago when I thought that I was beginning to like you. Now I am sure of it, I do like ya!
Call those coyotes in close,
Rich Cronk
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varmit hunter
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posted June 11, 2003 11:26 AM
When the campfire gets pissed on. It's best to let it burn out.
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Maineiac
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posted June 11, 2003 10:32 PM
I am a member of the GSPHA, it is still in existance. The only thing that has changed is where the club posts. We are in the process of finding a place for the club to post.
I personally think that what has happened is unfortunate. Like many of us here I am here to learn from other people's experiences. I like to read what tactics, calls, setups ect... people use from different part of the country. I like trying some of your tactics, call, setups, ect... and if it works for me in my little part of the world to incorporate it into my hunting. I do like seeing how everyone approcaches coyote hunting is such different ways.
From what I have read I believe that most all of your coyote hunting seasons are closed. My season is open and any good summertime stories will be appreciated.
Something on how to hold crosshairs steady while swating the onslot of thirsty mosquitos and various other flying and biteing toothy critters.
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