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Posted by 20t-n-t (Member # 46) on May 19, 2003, 10:02 PM:

Well all,
I just got home from 34 days of turkey hunting and I'm one tired sob. Its going to take a few days to get things caught up. I wanted everyone to know that I'm fine and back like the bad penny.

I will be writing some personal letters to some of you very soon and you know who you are.

I will have to do some reading to get caught up around here.

Will be talking to you all soon.

Smote the Yote
slydog

Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on May 19, 2003, 10:21 PM:

Man you must want them turkeys bad!
I don't think even a "sweet young thing" could hold my attention for that long. Well, maybe 'multiples.'

Jack

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 20, 2003, 11:59 AM:

I thought you were dead,slydog.I was all set to send flowers [Big Grin]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 20, 2003, 03:51 PM:

Yeah, there was talk of passing the hat for your bail, nothing short of jail would keep you away from us for so long! Of course we missed ya. The place just wasn't the same.

Hey, how many turkeys did you average per day?

Good hunting. LB

Posted by pup (Member # 90) on May 21, 2003, 06:45 AM:

Glad your back!!

I am just about finished with them, storms have kept me busy lately.

later pup

Posted by Doug (Member # 31) on May 21, 2003, 12:50 PM:

Things were getting a little boring on the 'net without you Slydog. Glad to hear you're back. [Wink]

Doug

Posted by Barry (Member # 34) on May 21, 2003, 07:23 PM:

Its a good tired aint it. [Smile]

Posted by 20t-n-t (Member # 46) on May 21, 2003, 11:21 PM:

Thanks everyone, its nice to know your missed, kinda,,,LOL

note: as far as the turkey huntin went this is the breakdown. I can't tell you how many birds were seen total but I counted over 100 jakes and toms.

213 birds were called in to 40 yards or less, of that, 72 were toms or jakes. Nine birds were harvested, 3 toms, 5 jakes and one hen with a beard {a dyke turkey} Whoda thunk. With the 2 birds I killed this spring, my tally is now at 49 turkeys in 31 years. 48 gobblers and one hen with a beard,,,LOL

Two of the youth hunters were girls and both got their first birds.One of the girls sat in the rain for 10 hours to get her chance and made good of it.

Well again many thanks guys

Skysog

Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on May 22, 2003, 08:28 PM:

Sly, A big thanks for what you did for those kids.

Posted by 20t-n-t (Member # 46) on May 25, 2003, 09:18 AM:

VH,
I thank you for the bump but trust me its what it does for my soul that keeps me in the field 250 days a year. Working with the kids is the one thing that keeps my spirite re-charged. I do love my job.

I would like to ask you all to take a kid out and teach them as much as you can. If everyone on this board would just seek out one kid and mentor them, teach them the skills and woodsmanship that we have learned, can you see what this would do for the kids and trust me it will make you feel good also.

If there are 180 members here and all of us take one kid under our wing, thats 180 kids that won't be dealing drugs or spray painting gang markers on someones garage door. Thats doing something that makes a diffrence.... One kid at a time.

Thats my challange to all my friends and fo's.

slydog

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 25, 2003, 09:24 AM:

Slydog, I've got 4 grandsons I'm doing that with now.Hopefully I'll be around to see them do it with there kids.

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on May 31, 2003, 11:43 PM:

Hmmm,

I will be writing some personal letters to some of you very soon and you know who you are.

I guess we don't know who we are, or you aren't finished writing your letters yet... I truly hoped you would accept my apology, and that I was on that list.
But I guess not.

I would love to answer your challenge (and I think I know which category you place me in) but I cannot take anyone under wings I do not have.
Not all 180 of us know anything about hunting that we could teach a kid (I did work with the Junior climbing team and volunteered many hours to the Junior Competition Climbing Assoc.... I can only teach what I know).

I find it very interesting that some of the same guys who say they will not teach this sport to adults, find it so important to teach it to kids... what is the cut-off age for being taught?
If you don't learn by a certain age why are you doomed to never be worth teaching?

Teaching kids gives satisfaction... teaching adults leaves you empty?
I don't get it...
I have always gotten as much satifaction teaching an adult to tie a safe knot as a kid, just as I get satisfaction teaching one of my friends here to cut & paste, or post a pic...

There are many aspects of predator hunting that can easily confuse the uninitiated... but this subject, far and away, confuses me more than any other...

I AM NOT ASKING FOR A MENTOR!!! I AM MERELY POSTING MY OPINION ABOUT THE WAY I SEE THIS ISSUE... NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, NO HARD FEELINGS!

Jeff

Posted by 20t-n-t (Member # 46) on June 01, 2003, 11:31 PM:

Krusty,

To start with, I tried to talk with and help you, not once but twice and both times you were very rude and pissy. I even tried to help you with your call making and you turned it into another one of your self elevated pissing matches and once again you were rude to the point that you are on one of my lists, just don't hold your breath waiting for a personal note from me.

Since you took the time to respond to one of my posts, I thought it only fitting that I respond to your drivel.

[1] I truly hoped you would accept my apology, and that I was on that list.

Well Sir You've been on my list for quite some time. Need I point out what list??? As for your apology- sorry is not going to fix this one pal

[2] I cannot take anyone under wings I do not have.

You spend lots of time giving folks on this and other boards your advice like your some kind of pro.
FYI there is more to the outdoors than hunting skills, and I'm sure Krusty, That with your welth of knowledge, you should be able to pass something along to the youth of your area.

[3] I find it very interesting that some of the same guys who say they will not teach this sport to adults, find it so important to teach it to kids... what is the cut-off age for being taught?

Number one, where did I spesify "this sport" to mean just coyote hunting?
Number two, Teaching someone who is glad that you are taking the time to teach them is real diferant than trying to teach someone who,"like your self" knows more than the teacher or argues with the ansures that are given. where I come from it is considered rude to argue with the teacher just because the ansure is not what you wanted to hear.

[4] There are many aspects of predator hunting that can easily confuse the uninitiated... but this subject, far and away, confuses me more than any other...

For a man who talks the talk as well as you, I'm at a loss as to why or how you could so easily be confused, but I'll grant your Bone. Men for the most part, have ego's that kids haven't learned, therefore they are easier to teach and much less arguementative.

THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE

slydog

Posted by Lil'dawg (Member # 165) on June 02, 2003, 01:09 PM:

I should probably MYOB and stay out of this but that just goes against my nature. For those that wonder and especially Krusty, Sly and the Youth Hunter Program does not exclude adults. I've hunted off and on for 26 years and have learned more from Sly since we became friends nearly 4 years ago. Now I help him as a volunteer. ANYONE who is willing to learn and has an interest in hunting is accepted. By the way...Kudos to you for getting involved with the climbing thing. Regardless of how a person gets involved, any is better than none.

P.S. Howdy Maineiac, the dwarf still lives.

Posted by Maineiac (Member # 21) on June 02, 2003, 01:50 PM:

Hey Dawg, I was just talking to Dic about you this morning. Congrats on the 9 3/4 inch bearded ole tom.

How is the new job going? I hope that everything is going well.

I have a question for you. Did that ole tom see that red shotgun with little black g's and how many lil white stripes on that gun?

Glad to see you posting again, keep in touch.

GO Georgia Dawgs!

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on June 02, 2003, 02:00 PM:

Slydog,

I mean no disrespect, I just don't get you???

You say I twice, "got pissy" about things... I have NO IDEA what the first time you are talking about is???

For the record I didn't get pissy the second time around, I think you were just too riled (from some imaginary first run in with me) to understand my humor...
Because I didn't want to give you all my antler material, I am rude?
I asked a question and you told me to give you my antler and you'd send me one call and I would be able to find the answers to my questions on MY OWN... YOU NEVER OFFERED A SINGLE ANSWER TO ANY OF MY QUESTIONS!!!

Here's the ANSWER to my question about how to install a closed reed...

SD.I'll tell you what, I'll make you a deal, You send me the two big parts { the base and the first fork } off that antler and I'll build you one and send it back so you can see how I build them first hand and have a model to work from. I promise you'll learn more from seeing what I do than from me pecking on this keyboard.

Hmmm, odd but I don't see any answer there! I pretty much saw that as "figure it out on your own".

I humorously responed:

KK: First, I only have one antler... if I send you the two biggest pieces I will not have any materials with which to make any open reed calls (but I am searching for more).

Second, you make two types of calls (I believe), so the best I could hope for is to try to figure out how to make just one style.

Third, I am not a "reverse engineer" or a forensic scientist... I could guess what tools you used, and I could guess what materials and finishes you use, and I could guess the steps taken in what order... These would all be just guesses, and none of these would be an answer to any of my questions... It won't tell me how to solve the porosity problems, which is my biggest question at this point.

And I don't even know which style you are offering, and if you did sent me a closed reed call, all I can learn from it is how to ruin another reed and call trying to remove the reed. I still have no idea how to get a reed in or out, and have damaged two calls trying to figure it out. :oops:

If you wanted me out of business all you had to do is ask, you don't have to take all my materials. LOL

Please explain to me at what point in this conversation did I "bite your hand"? Where was I disrespectful?
I hope you are more forthcoming with the answers to kids questions, then you have been with mine... what do you do to them... make em give you their lunch?

As far as dispensing advise, I am on the boards a lot, and as a community service I often repeat what I have been taught (or in your case figured out on my own) this has helped many other members of the boards I frequent... excuse the hell outta me if I can speak English well enough to sound like a pro.
I will take that as a compliment, even though I know it wasn't intended as such!

I have no animostiy towards you, and I have actually and honestly recommended your calls and have complimented your skills many times.

1. What did I ever do TO YOU that you cannot accept an honest apology... are you too big for that?

2. I have explained to you that I have been helping the youth of my community the best way I can, but that doesn't seem to be good enough for you either.

3. I said some of the guys... I actually didn't mean you, and I would like to know where I EVER argued any facts with you... about hunting or life or anything... let's see some quotes not hearsay and inuendo!!!

4. I am confused on this issue because many of the same guys who say teaching kids is important have blatently refused to do so for adults... this is confusing behavior and totally forreign to me... as I said I get the same satifaction from teaching adults as kids to tie a knot.
Something I too spent 100s of days a year doing.

I think the arrogant argumentative man is you! I find your bi-polar actions a disgrace, and the double standard you live by negates much of the good work you do... for as much as you may have uplifted the spirit of a youth , you have crushed mine.
I find it hard to be proud of being part of YOUR community, or one of you peers! I certainly have not been made to feel a welcome memeber of it.

Maybe someday there'll be room for newbies here, even ones who don't kiss your ass!

Jeff

Posted by 20t-n-t (Member # 46) on June 03, 2003, 02:08 AM:

Jeff,
Sometimes its not worth the time or effort.
This is one of those times. You can have the last word here, I'm not going to wast the boards time with this crap and after our phone conversation I'm sure of it. Three strike rule.

slydog

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on June 03, 2003, 01:02 PM:

Gee, I am home for a lunchbreak and look what I find???

Slydog, I appreciate the offer of the last word... but somehow I feel I haven't heard the last of you!

Three strikes huh? Who's the batter here? I could say you've "struck out" yourself!!!

As far as my not being receptive to your phone call... I AM NOT USED TO BEING WOKE UP AT NEARLY MIDNIGHT TO ARGUE!!!!!
So I was not my usually cheery self (in fact I am sorry to say, I was downright rude, I am not proud of myself for the way I reacted)... I'd offer an apology but it would be wasted on you just as my previous apologies to you were.
When you explained your predicament... you spent a very long time writing a reply only to have it dissapear into cyberspace... I truly felt for you. [Frown]

I really hate it when that happens!
I hope at least the writing it was somewhat theraputic for you... often times I will write out a big NASTY response to an adversary, and then just close that window.
Many times just putting all your thoughts out there on the screen to see makes you feel a lot better (that was how you sounded at the beginning of our phone conversation).

Now I understand why so many of you guys don't bother listing who the hell you are?!?!? [Mad]

I still cannot freakin' believe someone from the internet would go to the length of looking me up to call and wake me up over stupid stuff like antlers and kids turkey hunting, or so I could listen to lame excuses why it's ok not to help guys like me out to learn this stuff...
Had you made previous arrangments to make your call, and not woke me from a sound sleep I would have been more friendly and we may have worked this out...
I doubt you'll give me the opportunity to make another attempt at that conversation... like maybe at 5:30 PM one evening!!!

How 'bout I call and wake you up some morning, say about 3:00 AM, how pissed would you be!?!
Think we'd get anything accomplished?

I told you last night, I am going to avoid you here just as I have Seldom Ever...

But if you come into my house uninvited again, on my phone, and mess with the bull...
YOU'RE GONNA GET THE HORNS!!!

If you'd like to make arrangments to have that conversation again (at a decent hour!) I am still and always willing to make another attempt at peace... we could possibly be friends still, I never have too many. [Wink]

I will always have the time for friends, and the effort to make peace is never wasted!

Jeff

Posted by pup (Member # 90) on June 04, 2003, 07:05 AM:

Krustyklimber-

You keep making reference to how they won't tell or teach you what you want to know.
These guys don't owe anybody anything. This is not an search engine,but a friendly get together, however, most of them will tell you all they know if they are asked appropiately. Sometimes you have to make the extra effort, to learn what you want. I drove from Ok to AZ. 3 times just to see what was out there. I was told it was like a fireside chat. Dude, sit by and glean what you can, bringing a conversation from personal e-mail, and telephone, back to this medium is not progress.
You are not proving anything to the rest of us by airing out the laundry of your personal conversations.

Later Pup

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 04, 2003, 06:25 PM:

I think Jeff understands, pup. I told him much the same, tactfully; via e-mail.

A lot of predator hunters hold their cards pretty close to their chest, if you know what I mean? And, why not?

Good hunting. LB

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