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Jack Roberts
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posted April 04, 2003 08:54 PM
I heard that the 19 year old girl we recently rescued from the Iraquis, had no injuries when captured. Her 2 broken legs, broken arm and smashed back vertibrae, all occured as a captive. Does anybody know if this is true?
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Lil'dawg
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posted April 04, 2003 10:42 PM
I don't know but it stands to reason. They took a wrong turn, they didn't wreck their vehicles. I wondered the same thing and that's the conclusion I came up with. I also heard she emptied her weapon and took out a couple of dune coons. Musta been cause she is from West by God Virginia. I don't see a city gal being that tough but a hillbilly, heck yea.
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Leonard
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posted April 05, 2003 03:16 AM
Two things.
First, why is it that we always seem to fight wars against those countries that mistreat prisoners of war? Maybe that includes everybody but the US? I'm getting a bit fed up with the situation, Viet Nam, Korea, Germany, Somalia, all of them seem to torture and generally mistreat or kill POWs.
Second, those people are stuck in a time warp, running around in robes and sandals that went out of style shortly after the crucifixion. Tactics include fake surrenders, and the old standby, blowing themselves up while standing close to jews or westerners. The potential is limited, but I guess they can't understand the logic? Remember what Patton said: the object isn't to die for your country, it's it make the other poor bastard die for his.
Third, women in combat is such a stupid PC idea, I can't believe it. There's no way it will work.
(just my opinion)
Good hunting. LB
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Lonny
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posted April 05, 2003 07:21 AM
Jack, It sounds as if the broken bones happened AFTER she was taken prisoner. I guess we will find out in the coming weeks or months what really happened to this brave young lady when she was held in captivity by those animals.
The part that churns my stomach, is that the informant who gave the information to the Marines about where she was being held did so because he witnessed Iraqis beating and slapping the young lady as she lay bedridden in that hospital with her broken bones. I also heard that the Iraqis were preparing to amputate one of her broken legs. Who knows what other atrocities she might have had to endure. I hope this young lady can heal from the physical and mental scars she has suffered.
Makes you wonder what really happened to the rest of the POW's that were with her that didn't survive.
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Rich
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posted April 05, 2003 01:00 PM
Lil'Dog said-----"I don't see a city gal being that tough but a hillbilly, heck yea."
Lil-dog ain't met my wife yet.
Guys,
I am thinking that the female prisoner in question suffered more inhumane treatment than has yet been reported. The enemy killed those nine American soldiers that were found in shallow grave outside, but were allowing the girl to stay alive. Hmmmmmm, I can only guess what torture she must have went through.
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Bob in TX
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posted April 05, 2003 04:28 PM
Jack,
I have heard the same thing, just not officialy yet.
Leonard,
I agree about women in combat. The Israeli's tried it and pulled the cork on it.
Bob
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Cdog911
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posted April 05, 2003 05:22 PM
Up to now, we've killed a thousand Iraqis for each coalition death. Let's see.... that's about even. There was discussion the other day that in the '91 war, captured women were hanged from their feet, stripped naked, and beaten. According to news reports, Jessica has both ankles fractured, a fractured vertebra and other extremity fractures. Who knows what happened to her, but they probably planned to keep her alive and torture her so they could use the facts of that to cause our nation distress. Well, they did. And now, we're gonna take it out on every male military-age Iraqi we come across. Fact is, I don't think anything has gone quite like the Iraqis planned on thus far. And still there are those who wonder if there's a God. And, Leonard, you're right. Robes, sandals, and sand. What sane man would fight to keep any of that?!?!?!
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Leonard
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posted April 05, 2003 06:19 PM
Reading articles in the paper today, it's clear that Arabs are being spoon-fed a version of the war that's markedly different than what I'm seeing.
Consider. Iraqis intentionally place tanks and anti-aircraft batteries, military installations, etc. sandwiched between civilian buildings. They shoot at us and we return fire; with the imposition of new, and reasonable, rules of engagement. Result, neutralized threat, and unavoidable collateral damage.
Consider. Taxi driver beckons for assistance, three soldiers advance to assist, and are blown to smithereens, along with the driver; who is posthumously promoted. Next day, a van filled with women refuses to stop at a similiar checkpoint, and seven die when fired upon.
So, what do they see on Arab TV? Dead civilians, and they are incensed. Death to the devil America.
But wait. Who's to blame, in both instances?
Sometimes I think that these Muslims are missing an essential intelligence gene. They swallow such obvious propaganda, it would be laughable, under other circumstances. The battle for the hearts and minds is not going very well; in fact, it's stillborn.
Good hunting. LB
edited for clarity and spelling mistakes
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Frank
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posted April 05, 2003 06:53 PM
HHMMM, let's see.........
When I heard the story of Jessica Lynch it really tugged at my heart strings. There are few events in this world that have made me "feel" like I did for her. That is one hell of a brave woman and I'm extremly proud of her. It just chokes me up to think about what she went through.
That got me to thinking that this is a kind of turning point in our societies attitude toward women in war. It seems to me that this story effected me as it did because she is a woman. She shouldn't be seeing this kind of stuff, she shouldn't be experiencing the brutality of war.
I see women as nurturers, as the crux of our society that needs to be protected. After all, isn't that one of the reasons we go to war? Isn't it to protect our society? I guess it brought out my basic instincts in wanting to protect women.
In looking at the big picture...........
muslims are indeed a branch of humanity that never developed. Their religion holds them back and teaches vilolence and death to non-muslims. Is any of this making sense as to why they act as they do? Is it any wonder that all their societies are backward, violent, non-tolerant, extremist? muslims don't produce anything but violence and destruction on the rest of the world. They don't produce clothes, cars, trucks, electronic, or anything else of value to humanity. Except for oil. Maybe oil is Gods way of saying that we shouldn't abandon their stone age societies and culture. If it wasn't for oil they would still be nomadic tribesmen on camels.
I think the real value of this war lies in that it will show the middle east boneheads that they have awakened a sleeping giant. I think it shows that, IF they do more terrorist acts in America that kill more Americans, it will have a backlash they didn't plan for. Namely, Saudi Arabia will be next, then Siria, then Lebanon, then Jordan and so forth until muslims are, hopefully, killed off as brutally as they kill and treat other peoples of the world.
islam needs to understand that it's continued exsistance requires they practice tolerance to the other peoples of the world for the world won't tolerate their violence and cowardly terrorist acts forever.
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Barry
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posted April 05, 2003 08:09 PM
Frank,you hit the nail on the head.These people[muslims]are still in the time BC.They found a warehouse full of dead bodies or bones yesterday.The brits say it appeared to be a torture chamber with pictures of all the victims.Let Martha Burke go if we need women in combat.It makes NO sense.Now Im scared Bush is going to turn over Iraq to the UN for rebuilding.Screw the cowards,they were left behind for good I hope.
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posted April 06, 2003 03:08 AM
I wonder why it never dawns on any of them, That the leaders never commit suicide.
If it is such a great thing to do. Why wasn't Sadam the first?.
Now if my leader wonted me to strap on a bomb and blow myself up. I would have to ask him to show me one time.
I think Leonard is right. It is a sandals thing. Maybe we should be sending them Nikes.
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Cdog911
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posted April 06, 2003 07:20 AM
Frank, You mentioned one key part of why our country is as great as it is - tolerance. To me, that's the main root of our success as a nation, and to some extent, our Achille's heel. We've been slapped around repeatedly by other, lesser nations - primarily muslims - and in the name of positive political aspirations, we've tolerated it. Our goal is to establish some form of democratic, representative republic government in Iraq, but can that happen? In order for that to exist, the people have to not only be aware that other sides of the issue exist, but to understand that those beliefs may be enjoyed by more people than their own and, in that sense, will be adopted as policy. To these ppl,to disagree is to make oneself a target for the aggression of others.
Too many of the appeasement crowd want us to pull out and cease our aggressions against Iraq because our current status is one of being unsafe. Factoid, boneheads, we were at our maximum level of unsafeness (if that's a word) on September 10, 2001. This country, under this administration, will no longer be whistling past the graveyard with our heads up our collective arses just taking what these little fourth rate bullies want to throw in our faces. Anyone who stands idly by poking a big dog with a sharp stick should expect to get bit, and badly. What scares the world now is that we can act unilatrally if and when we choose to do so, and that we don't really need their help for anything.
The idea of peace may seem, at first glance, to be something these ppl will embrace. But, they haven't really thought the idea out and realized that others may have different ideas than their own about everything from how laws are passed to who coordinates the Optimists' little league program next summer. Put all their representatives and envoys in one room and the first one that stands up, calls someone else a name or threatens any retribution at all for disagreeing, whack him upside the back of his bedheet-wrapped head with a steel pipe to shut him up and ask if there's anyone else in the room that feels the sudden compulsion to NOT get along. After a few migraines and goose eggs, even these ppl might get the hint.
I don't look at our action as trying to save Iraq or to create a democratic gov't for the Iraqi ppl. I view it as taking the ass-whooping to the ppl that poked us with that stick. Payback is hell.
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Frank
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posted April 06, 2003 02:44 PM
The War on American Soil...
U.S. Navy Capt. Ouimette is the XO (Executive Officer) of the Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave at the Civitan Club in February. A wonderful and accurate account of why we are in trouble today.
America WAKE UP!
That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.
It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an
outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign US embassy set the stage for the events to follow for the next
23 years.
America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Viet Nam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the
desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism. America's military had been decimated and downsized/"right sized" since the end of the Viet Nam war. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.
Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.
In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more. Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps
headquarters in Beirut. 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber. The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gates of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.
Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August a Volkswagen
loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the Snooze Alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US soil is continually attacked. Fifty-nine days later a
cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed. The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when
they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259. America wants to treat these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are
still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war...the Wake Up alarm is louder and louder.
The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still, this is a crime
and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.
Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women. A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500.
The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively. They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision, they kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.
The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war,
but what did we do? We sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.
And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.
In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high official in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979. The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a
war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough.
America has to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to hit the Snooze
Button again and roll over and go back to sleep. We have to make the terrorists know that in the words of Admiral Yamamoto after the attack on Pearl Harbor "that all they have done is to awaken a sleeping giant."
Thank you very much.
Captain Dan Ouimette, USN
Pensacola Civitan
19 February, 2003
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Cdog911
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posted April 06, 2003 06:46 PM
Thought provoking, for sure. Twenty-twenty hindsight. As long as there is one American to fight the fight, may our flag fly high.
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Barry
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posted April 06, 2003 07:27 PM
Too bad Capt.Dan wont run for president.People like him is what we need.
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