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Topic: Male or female?
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DAA
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posted May 21, 2014 09:20 AM
Following up on the recent controversy. Just for grins.
What's it look like to you?
I think I do know. As sure as I can be without actual hands on physical examination, anyway.
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knockemdown
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posted May 21, 2014 09:24 AM
I'd guess adult female
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Leonard
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posted May 21, 2014 09:30 AM
I don't want to be wrong, again!
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Lone Howl
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posted May 21, 2014 10:55 AM
LGBT
OK..it's a male
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Kokopelli
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posted May 21, 2014 12:22 PM
Yearling hermaphrodite.
What do I win ??
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Cdog911
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posted May 21, 2014 05:25 PM
A coyote. I don't look for a pecker before I shoot. Equal opportunity shooter. Now, if I was looking and could claim to be shooting the peckers off coyotes just for kicks, that would be some neat shit. I initially was going to type, "If I could blow the peckers off..." but managed to save myself. Proofreading is crucial. This room is brutal. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Duckdog
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posted May 21, 2014 06:11 PM
Lance, you sir are responsible for my only chuckle today!
Thanks!! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I'm gonna guess male...looks young?
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knockemdown
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posted May 22, 2014 03:51 AM
Cdog, I think its safe to say that precious few of us here discriminate on gender before popping a primer
That wasn't part of the question, anyhoo. It was simple sex determination. I know I'd sure like to learn what the resident coyote experts think, and what they are basing their determination on. Could be a great learning experience, even if the knowledge gained might not be a factor for you when dropping the hammer on a called coyote...
There's really nothing comparative for my guess, other than that, to me, it looks like a mature coyote with good body mass and fur. But there isn't anything really screaming MALE about it (to me)? The head seems not as broad between the ears as I'd think a male's would be, proportionally. Secondly, I'm not seeing those telltale guard hairs, but that might be a factor of time of year?
Anyhoo, that's why I guessed adult + female. And that is damn sure a guess!
So quit being scared of being wrong on the internet and start guessin', ya buncha pussies!!!
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DAA
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posted May 22, 2014 07:11 AM
Yeah, this is just for fun and possibly some of us might learn something - even if it isn't useful knowledge.
This one, myself, it would have come down to throwing a dart, for me, really.
As it is, I happened to see "some stuff" which makes me pretty sure I know. But, with nothing more than this picture to go by, personally, I wouldn't have had any confidence that I could tell.
Just curious to see if others can tell any better than I can and if so what is it that they are going by. Fred has cooperated splendidly! Thanks Fred!
FWIW... Without giving anything away, before I saw reasonable evidence indicating what sex, I was leaning female too, for pretty much the same reasons as Fred. I would NOT have been willing to bet ANY money on my guess though! No confidence, in other words.
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DAA
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posted May 22, 2014 07:15 AM
A P.S. to add...
I'm not trying to put anyone on the spot here or anything either.
I think it's a lot easier to get it right when you have a pair in front of you and in the past, I think that has been the context for this discussion. I'm of the belief that it usually is pretty easy to tell which is which, when they are together. Especially a bit earlier in the spring.
As it gets toward summer and later into the year though, for me it gets less easy. And when it comes to singles from June on, all I'm ever really doing is guessing based on general appearance. And when I do kill them I find I'm wrong pretty often, in those circumstances.
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Chris S
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posted May 22, 2014 07:53 AM
Just glancing, it looks like a female to me. Something about the face. The shape of the head, the posture, the tail. Essentially, WAG.
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Leonard
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posted May 22, 2014 07:57 AM
Okay then; female? Based on: does not look like an Alpha male. Like the Huntmaster's coyote, for instance.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Kelly Jackson
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posted May 22, 2014 09:52 AM
yearlin past male. Killed 3 males on a stand last week one of them while he was squatting to piss.
edit to add that is just my guess.
[ May 22, 2014, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
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Paul Melching
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posted May 22, 2014 12:50 PM
From a photo , from one angle , its a total guess.
Female , I think its the ear rings that gave her away.
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DAA
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posted May 22, 2014 01:12 PM
The females have it.
My opinion anyway, based largely on a piss test. Another coyote was right there and pissed at the same time but with lifted leg. Leading me to believe I was looking at a male and female pair.
No autopsy for 100% verification though!
- DAA
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Leonard
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posted May 22, 2014 02:30 PM
Hmm? He that shall not be named; via email said, 5 year old male?
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Cdog911
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posted May 22, 2014 06:39 PM
Two things I would like to see on an individual coyote when there isn't another one nearby to compare with are the presence or absence of that mane you see in adult males, and the fullness of the tail. Males tend to carry that mane that is quite obvious, even from a distance, and this coyote has shed out a lot but it still looks like you can see the remnants of light colored underfur. So, I'm guessing male, but as to age, it appears he has weathered at least one winter, again by the underfur where his mane was, but I cannot see the tail. Most non-juvie coyotes have a nice full brush by mid-October, in my area. Seems to be one of the first parts of the body that fills in early in the year. This rule of thumb might not hold true north of me where they fur up faster. At the same time, pups tend to have pretty small brushes to them as they haven't gone through a full priming cycle yet. I know this sounds like a lot of bullshit to go through in what is usually a matter of seconds to decide which one to shoot of a pair or better, but an adult produces a better pelt early on and if I'm looking at more than one and one has a good brush and no mange, he/ she is going down first and it only takes a second to make that assessment. Even when they're running. (And for anyone who is thinking how nice it is to have the time to pick and choose, it's my experience that panicked shots on fleeing coyotes is usually because the caller or shooter f'd up and blew their cover. No, I don't always have the luxury of picking which bird in my hand I'll shoot, but if I manage myself properly, I usually have some say as to when the trigger is pulled.) If I'm looking to whack an adult male, and this is the demographic we target first and most often if we have a choice, I do a quick look at the head, mane and tail. Full tail gets first lead. May sound stupid to you, but I live by this rule: Do something, even if it's wrong. Just do it.
[ May 22, 2014, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
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Krustyklimber
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posted May 22, 2014 07:31 PM
I was going to post earlier today, called out by Knockemdown.... but, I didn't, and I will now.
Triangles and pentagons.
Based on what I learned with raccoons other "canine relatives" I would guess this is a young male coyote. Though not as broad as the face will be later in life *if Dave doesn't kill it before it fully matures* it appears to have the pentagon shaped face more so than a triangle, to me.
Okay, I guessed, and now I'm going back to my corner to sit quietly and watch it all unfold.
Cheers,
Krusty
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jimanaz
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posted May 23, 2014 02:59 AM
From a quick glance, I would have guessed female, based on the face, since that's the most prominent feature in the photo. Like most of us, I'm often surprised to find junk on a coyote I knew was a female when I pulled the trigger.
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knockemdown
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posted May 23, 2014 03:38 AM
Krusty, hope ya didn't take my words of encouragement wrong! Was just trying to get you salty dudes up on the keyboard for this one, as I think this could turn into a really interesting thread!!!
I've often heard KJ mention about "bat eared" pups. Looking again at the coyote, it sure does appear to fit that criteria! If judging by that indicator, I can definitely see how/where the coyote could be a young male.
I think Dave picked a wonderfully ambiguous photo for us to scrutinize, and the fact that it is a lone coyote makes the call all the more difficult. I'm enjoying reading everyone's input! Thanks for that, dudes...
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Jay Nistetter
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posted May 23, 2014 03:35 PM
Before I can answer, I need to know if you are waving $100 bill or a picture of a new truck at it.
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trapper2
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posted May 23, 2014 04:35 PM
dogs brought in a pair last week, I got to look at them real good but had grass up to their side, I just knew I had them pegged as to which was which, killed both and was wrong. the big strong built one was the female and had a smaller older male with good hair, by the way they looked and the way they acted with the dogs I would have bet on the big one as the male, but I was sure wrong, which my wife says happens alot
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Greenside
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posted May 23, 2014 06:05 PM
Just looking, I'd say female. But in all honestly, my coyotes don't look like that one,male or female . Not a typical Midwest
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Leonard
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posted May 23, 2014 06:30 PM
Yeah, I'm with greeside, that's an odd looking coyote, no matter the sex. That stylish vee on the forehead is uncommon.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted May 23, 2014 10:27 PM
Looking at the pic I'd say youngish (1-2 yrs) Female, smallish head and snout. The last 2 I killed this year (mid April) turned out to be a pair of dry females, I named em' Ellen & Rosie. Before I looked at their junk I honestly thought they were a pair of juvenile (non breeder) males but I was way off!
Once again Dave posts another excellent photo.
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