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DiYi
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posted February 12, 2014 09:02 AM
Nothing shakey to me.Euthanize the cop and sue the Dept.
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DanS
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posted February 12, 2014 01:28 PM
I have to side with the cop on this. He says he went there on "a call". As much as I love dogs, anyone should be able to walk down a public street and not be threatened by dogs or thugs for that matter.
That is a suburban neighborhood where I guess kids and others may want to walk on the sidewalks or jog, well in nicer weather.
Plain and simple, the dogs should have been on a restraint or in a fenced enclosure.
IMO, This is the owners fault plain and simple.
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Leonard
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posted February 12, 2014 02:39 PM
Yeah well, how about this? A citizen confronted by a barking pit bull, (are you paying attention Jimanez?) should sit in his vehicle and call animal control. PERIOD!
Any other use of force will get your ass in fucking jail! Since when does that cop have a right to just casually blow away a neighborhood dog. If you ask me, neither of those dogs looked threatening, any dog in America is liable to bark at a stranger in uniform.
Suppose they have a leash law in that town. Then, the guy gets a citation, the dog doesn't deserve a death sentence. I'd fire the asshole! Maybe he needs to be sued?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted February 12, 2014 04:11 PM
The "call" was a dog at large call, so he knew what he was facing when he showed up.
If the animal control duties fall to the regular cops in this city, then they should know how to deal with stray (or loose) dogs.
In my opinion, he absolutely failed at performing his job.
Should the dog be loose? No. (Obviously)
Should people be able to feel safe walking down the street?
Yes, of course. But, sometimes dogs do get out. It happens.
Although, I think it was probably just common practice for this guy. I'd go so far as to say, he'd probably even seen that behavior from his dog before.
Now, the behavior in question...
What I see is a protective dog feeding off of the cop's demeanor/ fear/ attitude. Not a dangerous dog.
And, an animal control officer would have seen the difference.
Since when is it ok to pop off a round in a suburban neighborhood just because you're afraid of being bit?
Pepper spray? Mace? Night stick? Taser? A big stick?
Truth be told, I'd bet if he'd have left that ("I AM NOT GETTING BIT AGAIN")...fear in the car, and approached the dogs with a "Here boy" and maybe squatted or let the dog slowly approach him and catch his scent,...things would have turned out differently.
I think he failed at his job in this case. And, I also think he knew it by all the apologizing he was doing.
Usually, when someone fails at their job, especially when it COULD cost their employer a lot of money...they get fired.
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DanS
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posted February 12, 2014 04:47 PM
Yea, well, you all may disagree, but that was my call.
I used to work for a veterinarian for a few years, I got bit by some of the nicest dogs too. You know the owners just couldn't believe their little angels sunk ivory into parts of my body.
I saw the dogs wagging tails and didn't think the dogs were acting as aggressively as say a police dog or an attack dog. But I did see agressive behaviour also. I'm not Cesar Milan, but even he messes up and gets bit. I'm sure you know a 40-50 lb pooch can put the hurt on you pretty quick, an 80-100 can ruin your whole day in a fucking heartbeat.
I'm not getting into the pit-bull debate.
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Leonard
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posted February 12, 2014 05:12 PM
Fair enough. First of all, that was a smart allelic remark about pit bulls. In fact the dogs looked like very unthreatening Labs, to me? I do think all they wanted to do was sniff the guy, not attack him, but whatever, I don't see why he didn't control the situation a little better before hauling out the iron. I thought it looked ridiculous, pointing a gun at a dog, like a dog knows the threat.
And, where is all this information coming from? I watched it until the conversation where another needless threat to arrest the owner if he didn't show I.D. I'm not even sure the guy was obligated to show I.D. but with the chickenshit "COMMAND PRESENCE" asserted by the NAZI cop, the citizen is lucky he didn't get shot, also.
I hope the guy sues and gets a big $ judgement AND the fucking cop is fired, hereafter working security at the mall, which would serve him right.
Good hunting. El Bee
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DanS
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posted February 12, 2014 08:14 PM
I did kinda laugh when the guy answered his door and the officer demanded to see ID. I was thinking WTF? It was one of those moments where I could say,"I see where this movie is going".
Yea I thought the Pit-bull comment was bait to get Fred involved.
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posted February 13, 2014 04:28 AM
For those of you that believe the cop was justified, I would agree with you had the cop had ATTEMPTED FIRST a friendly approach to the dog and kneeled down with his hand out so the dog could sniff him. Instead he approaches with a killer attitude that I believe a dog can sense. I hope they sock it to that cop and the city gets its ass sued off.
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posted February 13, 2014 05:26 AM
Was it me, or was the fat pet Lab backing up when the cop murdered it for no reason?
For the record, my dog responds waaaaay more aggressively than that Lab did when he's on his own 'turf' reacting to a 'stranger'. Isn't that what dogs are posta do?
The dog was on his own lawn, for crissakes?
As if, gettin' back in the cruiser and calling the owner to collect his pets would be too much trouble?
Or, just keeping tabs on the situation and waiting for someone with a catchpole to show up?
Or, just STANDING STILL and allow the dog to feel less obligated to protect its turf?
Another fine example of a cop walking into a situation and solving it with gunfire, over using his head. Which, should now be impaled on a stick, IMHO...
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DanS
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posted February 13, 2014 05:40 AM
Not to sound like a mean old bastard, but do you really think the cop will lose his job over this? Or the city is going to get sued and actually lose money?
Hey, I may be totally wrong, and it won't be the first time for me. Make note LB, As far as mistakes go, I have made some doozies. And I am damn sure I did a couple while in Ohio, because there was drinking involved. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good grief, I'm actually feeling sorry for Nick's treatment here, well sorta, I'm over it now. <chuckle>
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posted February 13, 2014 06:02 AM
In truth, I really don't think its fair that Nick gets singled out to defend every cop in America's actions. So, I hope he doesn't feel picked on when Leonard calls on him as a 'sounding board'. Bet if we met, he'd be cool as shit in person...
That azzhole cop executing a grouchy, fat, pet dog on it's own lawn is no reflection on Nick, at all, far as I'm concerned.
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posted February 13, 2014 08:04 AM
A K9 execution video starring something other than a pitbull? Unconscionable!! People will not stand for this behavior, at all.
Just another trigger happy officer, if you ask me. Lots of other options besides exiting the vehicle and engaging the target. It wasn't like there was some type of emergency that demanded immediate action. His actions created the incident. Cop gets fired, city pays damages, end of story.
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Leonard
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posted February 13, 2014 10:09 AM
Yeah, I agree. Fire that guy before he does something else stupid. City will pay blood money.
As far as 49. He's not being pilloried just because he's just about the only LE on the Board. We are asking for insight, picking his brain, not making him responsible for every fuck up in uniform. I appreciate his point of view.
Someone else, is it Lonny or Lone Howl? is in law enforcement by never gets involved.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted February 13, 2014 12:10 PM
Most likely the city will back up the cop simply because it's in their interest to do so. Since when is a cop called out on a dog at large call? The dumb SOB should've called animal control and left it at that. There is no way that shooting the dog can be justified. The dog owner needs to get a determined lawyer and at the very least the cop needs to be suspended for a while.
Every dog I've ever owned was a highly trained and valuable hunting dog. I've always made a strong effort to keep them locked up but sometimes they got out. I've even had to pick them up at the pound and pay a fine a couple of times. But woe to the person that intentionally killed one of my dogs. I will leave it at that.
All in all it was a cowardly act and not well thought out. Dumb peckerhead with a gun.
Come to think of it, I was a telephone cable splicer and had to deal with dogs almost on a daily basis for 15 years. I never carried a gun nor did I ever think shooting one of them was necessary.
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Kokopelli
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posted February 13, 2014 02:21 PM
The dog owner inside the house couldn't hear the dogs barking ???
Or he did and didn't bother to look out the window to see what was going on ??
It sounds to me like he heard them and ignored them.
Which would indicate that his dogs running loose out front and causing a nuisance was a common occurrence.
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DiYi
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posted February 13, 2014 02:45 PM
KoKo,
And your point is?
I disagree with your interp of the facts but let's assume a barking dog is a 'nuisance'.So what?There are tons of public nuisances-loud music,loud mufflers,drunks,repeated domestic disputes,fences too high,and on and on.Do we use deadly force in any of those?Drunks,druggies etc often threaten cops but absent a weapon do we shoot them?
No.This is just a bad cop totally on a power trip and totally out of control.He is the danger,not a barking dog that is backing up on his own property.
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Leonard
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posted February 13, 2014 03:43 PM
If the owner is anything like me, it would be rare to hear dogs or much of anything else. My hearing is very poor.
A couple three months ago, I was out front and entered into a staring contest with two rotweilers. Well, I knew they belonged to some renters on the corner house, across the street so I walked over there and sure enough the side gate was open and the owner, who I don't know from Adam was in the garage. I suppose I could have just called animal control, but asked him if he knew where his dogs were?
It took two adults about thirty minutes to round them up. These dogs bark at everyone that they see from behind the rott iron gate and are what I consider to be a nuisance. Given a choice, I'd like them gone, so telling the owner before they got a long ways from home was counterproductive, on my part.
They are much less of a problem ever since that happened but if our Glendale hero would have showed up here, he would have shot both and with my blessing.
I think I did those people a favor, but am quite sure they now have an unfavorable opinion about that asshole down the street - me.
Other people are much less tolerant of your dogs than you are, believe that.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted February 13, 2014 03:52 PM
Nicks, just fine he made a post a few years back a bout a bob cat. with some of the crew in the photo. And that photo is when I took a liking to him. That's all based on how they actually looked like a motley crew. A guy with his own BAR cant be that bad.
But Del has not been around much not sure why.
as far as that go's not much of Smither's these days.
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posted February 13, 2014 05:23 PM
I hardly ever watch any videos that get posted, here or anywhere else. Had a cop roll up in front of the house and shoot a dog in the front yard once though, so I watched this one.
Jesus Fucking Christ...
That cop is a fucking ASS HOLE. Whether he'll get away with or not, whatever. But it comes through loud and clear in the vid that he's a worthless prick.
To me, the dog obviously didn't need shot. It didn't even need to be paid any attention to, just a yapper wagging it's tail. But even to give fuck face the benefit of doubt and presume he's enough of a fucking moron to think he was in danger, and grant him immunity for shooting the dog - the way he then proceeded to treat the owner and present himself - he's a FUCKING PRICK.
Guys like that with badges scare me.
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Leonard
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posted February 13, 2014 06:29 PM
EXACTLY!
And, there should be justice, I'm not of the attitude: "It's just a dog."
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted February 13, 2014 06:52 PM
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They are much less of a problem ever since that happened but if our Glendale hero would have showed up here, he would have shot both and with my blessing.
Just to get you back on track, the dog shooting occurred in Idaho. The Glendale guys took a human life. Trivial, I know.
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Kokopelli
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posted February 13, 2014 08:29 PM
DiYi;
My point was that most problem dogs / dog problems originate with the owners.
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Leonard
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posted February 13, 2014 10:50 PM
Oops, stand corrected. Not Glendale, duly noted and thank you! Bucking for a moderating position, or what?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted February 14, 2014 05:18 AM
This takes me back at least thirty years ago when I was doing a big room addition to our home. The addition added more living space than the existing house, plus it added a large two car garage and a large patio. Back to the story, I was out at my parents house which is on rural farm land. Their neighbor was a sheet metal fabricator, and I wanted him to make up and install my duct work. When I went over there, they were not home but I was greeted by their adult daughter and a big black dog who lived in the back of the property in a mobile home. That damn dog was known to be mean because he would threaten people just walking down the road. The whole time I was talking to the daughter that dog was barking with his hair raised and the dog's tail wasn't wagging. The stupid lady made no attempt to control the dog. I told her I didn't trust her dog and I wasn't turning my back on it. She still didn't do a damn thing to restrain the dog. I took my rolled up blue prints and slapped that dog as hard as I could. It allowed me to safely turn and get back in my car. She was really pissed at me for doing that. She turned and took the dog in while breaking out in tears. Despite hitting the dog, her brothers still may my duct work. I would just as soon hit stupid dog owners but that would be called assault and the dog would probably attack.
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