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Topic: Exceptional Kansas bobcat
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted January 05, 2011 06:02 PM
Took a week to hunt and just bang around and decided at the last minute to plant a few traps and see if I could catch a bobcat or two. I haven't set a trap in nearlky eight years, best guess, so I had to dig to get to my gear. Only got three foot traps out yesterday and managed to cuff a big coon and a very nice bobcat this morning. This particular bobcat has exceptional markings for this part of the country, especially when you consider that the two we've gotten calling have not a single spot on their back and narrow, nominally spotted bellies.
What a treat to walk over the berm the trap was set behind and find her growling at me.
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32below
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posted January 05, 2011 06:09 PM
Nice kitty. Hope to get out before the season closes.
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Leonard
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posted January 05, 2011 06:50 PM
That's interesting. Our cats don't have hardly any spots except for the belly. Very good, Lance!
Good hunting. LB
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Okanagan
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posted January 05, 2011 07:15 PM
What a gorgeous cat! I've never seen one spotted that well over the back. WTG!
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Krustyklimber
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posted January 05, 2011 11:56 PM
Lance,
That's very very cool!
I'm so much more than jealous, of the 'cat, and the ability to set steel.
And I'm really missing trapping this year.
Last year with the robbery, the move to Texas and back, and all the commotion I'd been through, I never had time to think about it.
I've trudged in and out of way too many wetlands the last few months (a field trip a week, last quarter), without 330's!
And I got out on a raccoon hunt, the other night, and smelled castor on the edge of a stand of swamp timber. I was already struggling to run my old ass after the dogs, but I had to stop and breathe it in deep.
Carrying the 'coon back out only made it worse.
Have a little fun for me out there dude!
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Patterson
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posted January 06, 2011 09:28 AM
Awesome cat Lance! Hopefully I stumble into a area close by and get a relative! haha
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Kelly Jackson
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posted January 06, 2011 09:36 AM
Real nice cat Lance. was she titted out?
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Leonard
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posted January 06, 2011 12:04 PM
By the way, what makes that cat unusual is she has rosettes like jaguar rather than spots.
What are you going to do with it? Full body, I'm thinking?
Good hunting. LB
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Cdog911
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posted January 06, 2011 12:37 PM
Nope, Leonard, just sell her. She's pelted and on a stretcher. And Kelly, I looked and no. Pretty clean. 'Cat prices are starting to advance a little and I have a gun purchase I need to make so the $90 or so she's worth will be a help there.
Sadly, all I caught today was this guy
and Al
twice!
LOL,
Good to have you along, Al. I was nice enough and let you go free. Both times. Now, leave me alone.
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booger
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posted January 06, 2011 05:06 PM
Lance,
What a beautiful cat, probably one of the best I have seen in the last 3 years!! I agree with LB, they look like rosettes!
Sent you an email at your wildside addy--did you get it?
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Leonard
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posted January 06, 2011 05:27 PM
First of all, Golly! Looks just like Rocky! Don't hurt him! Reeves says a opossum can lick a coon contained in a 55 gallon drum. I'm still shaking my head over that one!
The other thing is, reread that post by Mercer "Too many friends" in this same Forum. He says $400/$600 for that cat, which is a nice cat, but not "that" exceptional for this area, if by that I mean California, Nevada and Utah, maybe including eastern Oregon and southern Idaho? The one he and I got last season before discovering the dead man, was just as good, if you recall?
Now you have an unusual Kansas bobcat that you think may be worth $80 bucks?
Kinda weird? I don't understand the differences and such, but I am aware that this district 6 has always commanded higher prices. Wonder why?
Good hunting. LB
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Cdog911
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posted January 06, 2011 06:06 PM
Yes, ours usually don't have the rosette spots. Some of them will be well spotted, but to have them that distinct, and three lines down the middle of the back is unusual. I spoke with a buddy last night who had just come from the furbuyer. I sent him a pic of that cat and he said it was every bit as good as the one he sold this past weekend for $75 whereas the next best cat that day had only brought $45 with most typicals going at $15-30.
The spots, size of the cat (male v female), width of the belly (white area), and the length of the belly hair all factor into the final offer on 'cats and ours aren't nearly as fuzzy as the ones you get at higher elevation.
The other two I have are typical Kansas rangeland cats with no back spots, narrow bellies with nickel sized spots. Might get $15 a piece if I'm lucky.
Now, you wanna see confusing when selling hides, look at how coons go. Length is where it's at on them and no matter how well you finish them, the fur buyer will conjure up some reason that they aren't top shelf. Any reason they can find to dock you and they will. Therefore, I sell them either on the cob or green skinned because I even had one furbuyer try to dock me because I'd fleshed them differently than he likes. LOL
I'd have liked to do a rug of him, but I'm needing cash right now and this week was all about trying to make some extra ching to cover some bills. Oh well...
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Cdog911
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posted January 06, 2011 06:09 PM
Tim, no I didn't get your e-mail. When did you send it?
Leonard,
Hate to tell you this but that little coon is now skinnt and in the freezer. Sorry. The upside is that I saved him from a horrible death as distemper is hitting them hard already this year. Usually don't start finding dead ones until late January, and we're already finding carcasses at the bases of den trees. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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posted January 06, 2011 07:16 PM
Lance,
January 3rd--resent it to you just now--will be coming from my home email--it is a cox.net address.
Looks like you had fun on your week off!
Have a good one!
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Leonard
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posted January 06, 2011 11:20 PM
I'm really ignorant about this so excuse the stupid question.
Lance, you can just pick up that opossum and he won't wiggle around and try to bite ya? Are they docile, tame, friendly, what?
Good hunting. LB
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Cdog911
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posted January 07, 2011 05:04 AM
These are both young ones, barely half the size of an adult, if even that. Their brains are so primitive that when really given the what for, they go into a semi-catatonic state, thus the term "playing possum". At that point, you can grab them by the tail or by the nape of the neck like I have with these two and do whatever you want with them. They cannot support their own weight so much that they can swing up and grab you when grabbing them by their prehensile tail, so it's a pretty safe "handle". While carryingboth of these guys, I had to keep them at arm's length so they wouldn't grab my coat or pant leg. I would try none of the above with a coon, half-grown or otherwise. Little more than what I want to handle. The coon above died from a bullet to the head because, when I tried to pop him from a foot back or so, he started swaying left and right and growling at me, rather fiercely at that. I moved the gun in closer and he firmly grabbed the muzzle between his teeth and tried to take it away from me. Bang.
Could a possum beat a coon in an everything else being equal sort of fight? An adult, maybe, but I seriously doubt it, once the soon had made up its mind to win. Most likely, the possum would wrap up, start grinning, and just lay there until the coon got bored and walked away.
I'm willing to bet that I have at least one more in my six little traps this morning and if I do, I'll get a picture of something that is unique to possums, bonoboes, and us.
I will say that trapping was a lot easier when I was younger. That sitting on my haunches driving stakes has my back all jacked up and man, it hurts. Don't get old, Elbee. Ain't worth the pain.
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Paul Melching
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posted January 07, 2011 01:32 PM
Lance thats one hell of a cat
Does anybody know why there would be such a huge difference in Az prices and kansas prices for what looks like equal cats. Im not that knowledgeable about fur but that cat would easily get $300.00 in Az. if not more.
Mr.Steve Craig if you could help me out here!
Seems like a good biz buyin in Kansas and haulin em back.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 07, 2011 02:39 PM
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Does anybody know why there would be such a huge difference in Az prices and kansas prices for what looks like equal cats.
Thickness of the fur, length of hair, spots on belly and how clear they are. and size of the animal... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Edit to add: You also have to take into account on the fur buyer and where he ***** his furs. Some have a market for the odd colored animals and if they can collect enough of them someone will buy them at a fair price..
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Joel Hughes
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posted January 09, 2011 09:15 AM
Here is a picture that MartyB, a Petska fur buyer, posts from time to time on trapping sites to show what good cats look like vs. average cats for people who ask, or for people who accidentally say "great cat" to a posted picture of a hairball. LOL I hope he doesn't mind me sharing it here. But you can easily see the difference between this picture and Lance's bobcat. Mercer's are like Marty's picture. Mine are somewhere in between but still on the lower end, obviously, from my location.
I can't believe I'm going to say this publicly, because Lord knows the taxidermy market is flooded, and has been for a while. But rosetted cats are rare and that cat would have gone for $250 easy on a certain taxidermy site. No question. That is a beauty, Lance. But that's okay. $90 for that cat isn't bad either, and chances are Lance isn't skinning them for the money.
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Cdog911
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posted January 09, 2011 10:56 AM
Those are exceptional cats, anywhere, and you make a good point as far as location. By NV standards, and when compared to what Mercer has access to, my 'cat is, as you said, a hairball. LOL The guard hairs are way too short to be of much use in a high-end garment or trim. But, in Kansas, and this is why I noted it as an "Exceptional Kansas bobcat", the markings and colorations are about as good as they get.
As far as considering it for taxidermy, I thought about that and decided not to get into that. I'd have to ensure that the buyer was licensed to buy furs and don't cotton to the idea of getting into that kind of mess if they tell they are good to go and it turns out that they aren't. $90 to $125 is a pretty good payday when I know for a fact that the buyer is legit. I have a direct marketer buyer that sends his cats straight to his overseas people that comes through this area from time to time and I hope to catch up to him.
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J_hun
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posted January 17, 2011 07:28 AM
That cat almost looks like an ocelot in coloration. How much did that cat weigh? Truly a beautiful coloration though. Totally different than the ones up here in S.D. I would love to get one with those markings.
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Cdog911
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posted January 17, 2011 09:48 AM
Right at 18 pounds. I got a hundred dollar bill for her yesterday.
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posted January 17, 2011 08:36 PM
Beautiful cat, Lance. By the way, I do appreciate you treating cousin Percy well and releasing him. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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coyote whacker
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posted January 20, 2011 03:24 PM
yes big differance in colors on cats for sure, it is all about the belly wide and white I'm betting you cat lance without seeing the belly was graded as a C cat. 18 lb cats in many regions are considered kittens LOL.
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