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Cal Taylor
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posted December 09, 2005 05:28 PM
I'm on a new program this year. With fuel prices being what they are and our trap check laws being what they are, I'm going to all snares this year. I'm not sure how it will go, but I did go spend a couple days with O'Gorman this year to learn some of the finer points. Time will tell. There are no check laws on snares, and if it stays cold I can get away with a ten day or so check. If it's snared it's dead and you just have to thaw them out to skin.
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Rob
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posted December 09, 2005 06:28 PM
Good luck!
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Leonard
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posted December 09, 2005 06:37 PM
I know nothing, you know that.
But, my question is; what negatives involved? Is there something that you can't do with a trap? Is a snare a equal substitute for a proper trap?Other than the rule on checking traps, are snares a better method? If so, is this a loophole that the regulators will soon close?
And, aside from your time and effort, and the price of gas, do you have another reason, like it's an all around better method?
Good hunting. LB
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Cal Taylor
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posted December 09, 2005 08:34 PM
Some guys claim they get along just as well or better with snares than leg hold traps, Leonard. I haven't used them enough on cats to know. The main difference is the 72 hour check law on traps. And no check law on snares because they are considered lethal and so there is no animal waiting. I have snared quite a few coyotes in the past, but usually off big baits, or in fences. It takes different and special places to snare cats. So I find I'm spending more time setting, cutting brush, narrowing down spots, finding draw crossings etc. etc. Locations seems to be easier for me to find for traps, but thats what I'm used to looking for. I passed several spots today that I would have definately set a steel trap but I had to go on to find a suitable place to snare. It's an all together different ball game. Hopefully I can take some pictures to show some of the places I've found to snare and hopefully with a choked down cat in them. The other big difference I have already noticed is you miss all the trash. Skunks, porcupines, rabbits etc. all go under or around. So I can see benifit there also.
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Tim Behle
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posted December 12, 2005 06:11 PM
Cal,
What size of cable and what type of locks are you going to use?
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Cal Taylor
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posted December 12, 2005 06:47 PM
Tim,
I'm using 1/16th crucibal garroting cable with a cam lock and a 50 lb spring. A 90 lb Hopkins breakaway. I build my own and have for years, but of course the spring and breakaways are new as of a couple years ago. I like the 1/16th for everything including coyotes. But I think the cam locks are a must and I file the "teeth" into my cam locks so the bite the CGC better. Not many chew outs on coyotes as opposed to 7x7 aircraft cable.
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Cal Taylor
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posted December 19, 2005 12:59 PM
Seems to be working. 
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Brad Norman
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posted December 20, 2005 09:24 AM
Great job. What did they weigh?
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Cal Taylor
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posted December 20, 2005 06:11 PM
The big tom was a 30 pounder I'd guess. The other one 20 to 23. I need to get a scale, but our big toms are big.
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Cal Taylor
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posted December 28, 2005 06:56 PM
3 more today, but my camera had been in the house for Christmas so no more boring cat pictures til next time.
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Brad Norman
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posted January 01, 2006 01:01 PM
There never is anything boring about a cat picture.
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Locohead
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posted January 02, 2006 11:53 PM
Call me a Wuss'. But I just keep thinking to myself, man, what a crummy way to die. I really like to breathe. LOL
I suppose after only a few seconds the critter begins to hallucinate and then takes a nap and then wakes up dead. Right? Is that how it works?
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Tim Behle
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posted January 03, 2006 11:39 AM
That's pretty much it Danny.
I know it doesn't sound real pretty, but there realy isn't much time between when the snared animal hits the end of the snare, and when it passes out.
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Locohead
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posted January 03, 2006 12:55 PM
...and then wakes up dead...LOL
Man, I wish we could trap here. My boys and I would love learning about this together. Sounds like fun. When Jacob was just about 5 or so I found him one day putting bread crumbs on top of a treble hook looking thing he'd made. He told me, when the birds come to eat the bread, they'll choke on the hook and and he'll trap them. LOL Man, What a kid! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Cal Taylor
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posted January 04, 2006 07:04 AM
Pretty much as Tim says Loco, cats go down so fast it is unreal. Coyotes are tougher and will fight for a minute or two. I use a compression spring and that helps also. It is included in the snare part so that when they compress it, it "pushes" back and chokes them out even faster. The old days with big cable and washer locks killed alot of coyotes but wasn't nearly as effective. I actually was taught by another trapper with washer locks in fence snares to run big loops so that you hip snared them and they would get over the fence and hang themselves upside down so that they couldn't chew out before they died. Now with better cable, locks, and springs, neck snaring is very deadly.
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Locohead
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posted January 04, 2006 09:32 AM
Chewing out???? Thru cable???? Man, I learn something everyday.
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Cal Taylor
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posted January 18, 2006 07:57 PM
A giant tom I snared today.
Now remember, I'm 6'8" and weigh around 285 for comparison. (Just kidding, I seen that on another website)
[ January 18, 2006, 08:02 PM: Message edited by: Cal Taylor ]
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Leonard
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posted January 18, 2006 10:20 PM
Good one, Cal. What'd he weigh, 'bout 36?
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Cal Taylor
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posted January 19, 2006 06:58 AM
After several days of shrinkage he still weighed 30 Leonard. So I'd guess he was in that 35 range when caught. Old too, didn't hardly have a tooth left in his head.
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Jrbhunter
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posted January 19, 2006 07:36 AM
Loco, restriction of the windpipe (IE: Suffocation) is not what kills most snared animals. It's restriction of bloodflow to/from the brain- (IE:Asphyxiation).
It's less like choking to death and more like overdosing on sleeping pills... sound more appealing?
On the topic of choosing your method of execution:
My friend once tried explaining to his grandmother (90+) why we were shooting squirrels in her back yard... "The are either going to starve, freeze or get shot" he said, "Which would you rather do?".
She thought a moment and replied, "I ain't never done neither so I wouldn't know... you boys quit shooting squirrels out of my yard!" ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Leonard
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posted January 19, 2006 08:43 AM
Curious, Cal. I know it's a pain in the butt to pull fur on a frozen animal. I suppose many of your cats are stiff and frozen when you get to the house? What is the procedure you are using, where do you hang them, for how long? Is there a danger of waiting too long?
I read Quinton Wagoner once where he said he just stackes them until the weather gets warm. Even that, you would have to be careful that there isn't some internal heat buildup?
Hard to beat casing those cats right away, warm.
Good hunting. LB
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Tim Behle
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posted January 19, 2006 12:27 PM
Nice cat Cal!
But maybe you should have your wife start posing with the cats, so Loco doesn't get so excited about seeing you!
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Cal Taylor
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posted January 19, 2006 01:12 PM
Good one Tim!
Leonard, I have a heated shop so I let them warm up a day or so and they are fine. Cats are easy anyway. Frozen coyotes are a different matter and most guys that skin many have a winch of some sort.
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posted January 19, 2006 01:22 PM
LocoHead,
I am an old judo man. I can tell you that I have been choked out a few times, and it is not painful.
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Locohead
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posted January 20, 2006 10:27 PM
I attended a freestyle wrestling demonstration by an Olympic medalist one time. He explained that some of those International guys were so good you had to do things like that to get an advantage. They even grabbed and squeezed Juevos to get an advantage.
JRB, interesting explanation. Thanks.
Choking out. Is that anything like that dumb-bummied game we played as kids? We used to bend forward, take 20 slow deep breaths, exhale, then have some dumb-bummy grab our necks and squeeze. 6-10 seconds later we'd come-to after having had a complete dream. What a bunch of young dumb-bummies!!!! I saw a news report about kids getting killed doing that.
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