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Melvin
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posted August 04, 2005 10:37 AM
Well,I'm giving it another try.In Pa.you got to draw a permit to take a bobcat..For the last 5 years i have been one unlucky dog..You're only allowed one cat if you're lucky and draw a permit..We got lots of cats!'all i need is a permit! ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Leonard
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posted August 04, 2005 11:36 AM
If it is the same as in California, I don't believe the system is fair to callers? Trappers have no limit on cats, while stand hunters need to buy tags; limit of five.
Good luck in your pursuit. LB
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Steve Craig
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posted August 06, 2005 07:33 AM
Only trouble in Calf is that trappers are NOT allowed to use traps! They were banned several years ago. So trappers cant catch bobcats there; UNLESS they use a live/cage trap.
FWIW
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Melvin
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posted August 06, 2005 08:59 AM
Do they also have a law on how you're suppose to dispatch it?..California trapping laws sucks,plain and simple.
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Krustyklimber
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posted August 06, 2005 01:31 PM
There's at least one very efficient, and effective cat trapper in California.
He also builds some very nice bobcat cage traps.
There's a father and son trapping operation, here in Washington, that traps around 75 good eastern Washington cats a year... in cages.
Some guys just play the hand they are dealt, sometimes they just have to "re-invent" the game.
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Leonard
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posted August 06, 2005 03:09 PM
The method of reinventing or getting around the 5 tags, in CA is to take the trapping test and buy the licence. Then the method doesn't matter, you can trap or shoot them. That's also the way to be able to sell the hides.
Good hunting. LB
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Bud/OR
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posted August 06, 2005 05:01 PM
Hey Fellas,
Don't know if you travel to hunt, but Oregon has a ton of bobcats. Permits are fairly-to-super liberal.
You have to pick which side of the state you want to call on. Can't hunt both. Eastern side is seven cats per year (better fur). The Western side is unlimited permit(renewable for $11.50 after permit quota). The season, I think, is from the first of Dec. to the last of Feb.
Hope this helps.
Bud
P.S. It occurs to me , that price is for residents. I don't have a clue what non-resident fees may be. I don't know where my regs. are.
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Krustyklimber
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posted August 06, 2005 10:18 PM
Washington has lots of 'cats too, red ones on the west side, and bigger "regular" ones on the east.
No bag limit, season runs from Sept 6 through March 15, 2006, pelts must be sealed before leaving the state or the end of the season.
They are legal to take while night hunting.
Non-resident license for the year is $164.25, a three day license is $54.75 and I believe you can purchase as many of those as you want.
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brad h
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posted August 10, 2005 02:47 PM
The south east district of our state has bumped the quota from 600 to 700 bobcats this year.
As a furbearer, they can't be taken at night or with an e-caller.
A $20 trapping permit is all that's necessary for a resident to hunt or trap, but from what I've read, there's no legal way a non-resident can take a bobcat in MT.
Brad
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Melvin
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posted August 10, 2005 03:23 PM
Brad,i know a couple good trappers in montana...The one catches,over a hundred cats a year,you might know him...Everyone i know calls him AJ..The other goes by,Coyote Charlie..Coyote Charlie,traps and calls over 150 coyotes during hunting season,he is very good at both...He is the one,that got me started calling...Very nice man.
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Leonard
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posted August 10, 2005 05:13 PM
I'll tell you, Brad. I think it is completely wrong to allow one form of taking these animals at the exclusion of others. There is no justification. No electroni9c callers? No night hunting? But trapping is allowed? What is the logic of that? They cannot justify it except by protecting the good old boy network. It sucks. Also, nonres. That is another sore spot, with me. All designed to funnel that resource in a single direction. Unjustified.
Good hunting. LB
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brad h
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posted August 10, 2005 06:58 PM
Melvin
I don't know who they are but it sounds like they've both been working cats for a long time. There's a few good cat trappers here but like most, details are vague. Rightfuly so.
Leonard
I was suprised to find that myself considering the revenue big game non-*** licences bring in. North Dakota's the same way with their cats and non-residents. Coyotes are a free for all, but bobcats and wolverines are the only restricted furbearer classifications this state has with that set of rules.
A non-resident can get lion permit for $320 plus a $50 trophy permit...but can't take a bobcat.
Brad
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Lungbuster
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posted August 12, 2005 12:45 PM
Good Luck Melvin, I haven't been able to get a tag the last few years either, and I'm not going to hold my breath on my luck changing this year.
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CougerBait
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posted August 12, 2005 01:07 PM
Brad,
What are the regs regarding cougar in your state?
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Melvin
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posted August 12, 2005 02:35 PM
Hey,..Good luck to you,Lungbuster...I bet you will get your tag this year...The more years you try,the better you're chances...Let me know if you draw your tag.
[ August 12, 2005, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: Melvin ]
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Cdog911
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posted August 12, 2005 02:37 PM
The more I learn about other states' licensure systems, the more I like Kansas' where you have a hunting license, a furharvesting license, and sundry species spcific big game permits. No special upland game permits, or varmint-only permits ar silly crap like that. The only problem I see with Kansas' system is that for the diehard general predator caller like me, you have to carry two permits - hunting to call and kill coyotes, and the furharvester permit to call and kill 'cats, foxes, badgers, coons, etc., etc. I actually tried to get a new state law passed several years ago to allow hunters to take coyotes under the auspices of a furharvesting license. After we got past the issue of verbage and clarifying in the bill that we were not trying to list the coyote as a furbearer, the state wildlife agency was behind it. Unfortunately, I needed the support of the state trapper's association and they've become so busy planning fur auctions and rendesvouz' that they couldn't find time to draft a statement of support to make licensing easier for their members, so the bill died in committee.
With hope and work, the state of Kansas is trying to get the legislature to approve a new 5-day non-resident furharvesting license that will probably run about 50-60 bucks so NR's can come here and call bobcats. So far, most everyone is behind the effort.
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brad h
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posted August 12, 2005 03:49 PM
Jesse
The regs are pretty much the same as bobcats, no e-callers, baiting, night hunting, ect. but tags are available for non-residents. If it works, go here:
http://fwp.state.mt.us/hunting/regulations.html
Mountain Lion is toward the bottom.
Melvin
Actually, an over the counter general trapper permit is all that's necessary to trap or call in a bobcat for a resident as long as it's purchased before Dec 1st. The hard part is actually calling one of the damn things in. A good knowledgeable trapper is capable of trapping one pretty much anywhere around this area. So since they're here, I think it's worth my time to try calling one again this year. It's different country than I'm used to, but I've played in the hills before. I'll let you know if it happens.
Lance
I would think a 5 day licence would be beneficial here too. Maybe the quota numbers play a part? I don't know who many were harvested in Kansas but 2131 bobcats were reported taken in MT, along with 9 wolverines. Coyotes here are so unrelegated I don't see anyway anyone can kill one illegally. One slip with a bobcat, on the other hand and your on the expressway to learning the trade of licence plate building.
It seems quite imbalanced.
Brad
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Melvin
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posted August 12, 2005 04:37 PM
Lungbuster,i hope we both have luck this year....Thanks and keep you're fingers crossed.
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Melvin
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posted August 12, 2005 04:50 PM
This old age is getting my head all screwed up ..Brad,i meant that post for,Lungbuster...But hope you do keep us informed...If i get lucky,i will also let you guys know.
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brad h
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posted August 12, 2005 05:03 PM
Geeez...I didn't even see that post or I mighta picked that up myself.
And I'm not old enough to have an excuse.
That was pretty slick what made us do to this thread Lungbuster. If you get a tag...my money says you'll get a cat! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Good Luck!
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Melvin
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posted August 12, 2005 05:33 PM
Lance,if they pass that 5 day hunting tag for nonresidents,i will consider buying one...I pass through Kansas,to hunt elk and mule deer in Colorado...I would prefer calling cats,if given the opportunity...Some might think a guy is a little kooky for choosing cats over elk,'but'(I can always help eat my buddies elk) ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Cdog911
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posted August 12, 2005 08:16 PM
I'll keep you guys posted on its progress. I don't know what the price will be at this time. The latest figures I have are for the '01-2 season when 3,600 bobcats were tagged in the state.
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