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Cal Taylor
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posted November 12, 2006 09:56 AM
I recieved a quick reminder today of why I hate Leupold still. I went out for a couple quick stands today. I have a new AR in .204 that I really like so far. I shot 4 or 5 coyotes with it at Rawlins and am really pleased. I had put a Leupold 3x9 with AO that I had around on it and thought I was set. I had a good Burris on my other AR that I sold to Brad Norman and being the good guy that I am I let him buy the scope also. So today, I call in a spot that gets hit alot and the coyotes are pretty wise. I screwed with a pair for about 20 minutes to get them in a position for a shot, and they weren't any too fast to get there and I had set up for them to circle for the wind because I knew they would. As they pop over the ridge in the exact spot I predicted, I pick up my AR thinking I'm headed for the fur shed but I find that I have no crosshairs and a big chunk of something broke loose inside. So I let those two walk a little wiser yet. This is the 4th or 5th Leupold I have had go to crap in the last few years. I have a newer 4.5 to 14 Vari X 3 that the paralax is screwed up on and it won't focus that I was going to send in this winter, so now I guess I can cheapen up the shipping and send two at once. I can look forward to getting them back in a few months after winter calling is over if they are as speedy as usual.
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sporterweight
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posted November 12, 2006 12:46 PM
I hear leupold has great customer service ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) !<--Plenty of practice.
Bummer on missing the call wise coyotes.ME
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TA17Rem
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posted November 12, 2006 01:10 PM
I'm starting to see a pattern here. I have used leopold for years and as of yet to have a problem with them. My guns get banged around some but i pay strict attention to the scope to insure it don't get banged up. i always keep a eye out for it when i take it out of the truck or put back in. My guns rest with the muzzle on the floor and the scope and stock on the seat. i don't use those rear window racks, they can really raise hell on the scope. It dose'nt matter if its a 1000.00 scope or just a cheapy, you have to protect them at all times.
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Lonny
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posted November 12, 2006 02:16 PM
A few months for replacement? Has Leupold changed their policy on turn around time for fixing optics? I've sent back two Leupold optics in for fixing and both were back in less than two weeks from the time I mailed them. Admittedly, both problems for me were minor, and easy fixes, so maybe thats why it didn't take any time for return. I've sent in some Pentax and Bushnell optics that took months to get back. Dealing with Pentax turned into an ordeal I wouldn't wish on anyone. It will be a cold day in hell before I spend any money with Pentax again.
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Norm
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posted November 12, 2006 02:23 PM
ta17; what is the pattern you are seeing?
The way I read you note, it suggests tht anyone having a problem with a scope is possibly not taking proper care of the hunting equipment?
Not sure if that is what you meant to say or not.
Cal, sorry to hear of the troubles and the lost trip to the fur shed.
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UTcaller
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posted November 12, 2006 04:00 PM
Cal, you can't be given up those Burris scopes like that. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) I stopped using leupolds for good a few years ago,gave/sold mine to my brothers,they're still a glutton for punishment.LOL I love the Burris scopes.Have them on my .204,.22-250, and .221 fireball have had no problems at all and seem to hold zero very well even with them banging around on the ATV and in the Truck.Good Hunting Chad
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Cal Taylor
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posted November 12, 2006 04:56 PM
I can only compare this to my previous service from Leupold. The last scope I sent in was somewhere around 2 months to get back and it was the exact same deal as this one. The ring that holds the reticle fell out of place. As for care I don't beat them on the ground or anything but they do get used. God forbid that you actually pack a gun around and use it! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) They will see a million miles in a pickup or ATV gun rack and Leupold simply isn't up to the task. I related this story before while having Leupolds wander out of zero and the other trapper in Natrona county told me to go Burris and end the problems. He is alot harder on stuff than me so I took the advice and my Burris stuff has held up well. One qualification for Burris though is that I use the higher end stuff. While I'm on this rampage I have to cuss Millet rings also because today while swapping out scopes I broke one of the "wings" that attach the scope to the weaver style rail. Cracked it right off there with a little bitty allen wrench. Maybe there is a pattern here? And maybe I am harder on stuff than most.
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TA17Rem
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posted November 12, 2006 06:25 PM
Cal: a company called Warne makes quick detach scope rings and bases. they make a quick detach rings that work on weaver style bases. i have a half dozen of them on my rifles and have had good results with them, and they eliminate the use of a allen wrench. they have a little lever that you turn and scope comes off and goes back on in seconds.there is also a scope out there made for S.W.F.A scope dealer called the super sniper, they come in fixed ten power and sell for around 400.00. i have had mine for two years now and am really happy with its performance. If you are ever in the market for another scope i suggest you give one a try, you won't be sorry that you did. Good shooting and take care...
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Brad Norman
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posted November 13, 2006 07:55 AM
Calvin,
Why did you have to bring me into this?
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Cal Taylor
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posted November 13, 2006 08:16 AM
Because I used your name to end some interesting sentences while watching coyotes lope away and thinking you had a good Burris Signature series scope on your AR. And you don't normally catch enough shit from me! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Leonard
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posted November 13, 2006 08:42 AM
This subject is as serious as drinking the wrong beer, Pearl, Lone Star, etc.
I fell (hard) on a Leupold last year; about this time. (qualifies as a busy time of year, seems like?) It looked like shit, all dented up, and the crosshair adjustments were extra stiff and knocked off zero by about twelve inches.
Well, I won't say it came back to where you couldn't tell it had been in an accident. Actually, it looked like new, with only one gouge that they couldn't repair, it took two weeks and cost me nothing. That's pretty good service.
Good hunting. LB
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Az-Hunter
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posted November 13, 2006 12:12 PM
There's no discounting Leupold does, or has made fine glass for years, but the last two Ive had, exhibited problems like Cal has mentioned. Both were the VariX2 series, friction adjust 3X9 scopes, both I could just not get to focuse to my eye at least, to the point of making me almost nauseaous looking thru them?
Believe it or not, four of my calling rifles wear Simmons Whitetail Expedition 1.5X6 glass, with heavy duplex hairs, my 17 rem, the Burris 3X9 with their Ballistic-Plex heavy hairs,and its a great scope.
At the campout, I had the pleasure of hunting a day with Randy Shaw and Randy Reeves, Shaw had a gorgeous little camoed Cooper in Tac 20, that wore a Khales scope on it....now THERE is a piece of glass. When I arrive at my final one or two calling rifle battery, I might just have to spring for two Khales scopes for them to wear, and be done with it:)
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posted November 13, 2006 12:31 PM
One or two calling rifles Vic? LOL How longs it gonna take with new ones coming out all the time? LOL Sorry but that struck me funny with the ones you have tried in the short time I have known you.... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Im having good luck with Swift scopes. Local dealer carries them. And though I havent needed it, the warranty cant be beat. Take it back to the dealer and walk out with a new scope.
I do have a Simmons ATeck on my CZ 204. Thats a nice scope for the money as well. Thats Vics fault as well that I got onto them.
Leupold makes fine glass, as do many others. But Im still not convinced a man has to spend as much or more on glass than he does a gun to do just fine in optics. I agree that good optics make alot of difference. But it seems these days not just one company makes good glass. It can be had for less. Warranty and all.
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albert
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posted November 26, 2006 05:56 AM
Interesting Cal
My problem has been the opposite of yours of the 4 Burris scopes that I have owned two of them have been sent back both were signiture series and one was even a fixed power that the reticle broke on.
I have yet to return a leupold (I do have some).
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Cal Taylor
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posted November 26, 2006 06:47 AM
That is interesting Albert. I know it's probably just a "good luck, bad luck" deal. I know alot of guys swear by Leupold, I just seem to swear at them!
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Rich
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posted November 26, 2006 10:04 AM
Cal Taylor,
You are supposed to shoot those coyotes dead, not wound em with a needle gun and then beat the poor devils to death with a scoped rifle.
Lord I apologize for that right up there and please be with the starving pygmies down there in Africa--Amen
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Cal Taylor
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posted November 26, 2006 11:15 AM
Rich, You well know I am a big proponent of the 6mms for coyotes, but so far I am pretty impressed with this .204. I am shooting the 35 grain Berger and have even hit a running coyote in the ass and penetrated the hip and dropped his guts on the off side and stopped him for a follow up. Pretty good penetration. All the others have been in the chest and instant bang flops. It won't be my summertime trouble rifle, but it is looking good as my wintertime pickup and calling fur rifle.
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Rich
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posted November 26, 2006 04:03 PM
Cal,
You are one of the very best coyote men that I know. I was jacking with ya a little. I do that to all of my friends, so you may as well get used to it.
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Cal Taylor
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posted November 26, 2006 04:50 PM
Oh, don't worry Rich. But since you mention it, I have put a few coyotes out of their misery with weapons not suited to the job. Sticks and stones, jack handles, and a few others. My old Sako wood stock has teeth marks in it, from a coyote I thought was dead.
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The Outdoor Tripp
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posted December 04, 2006 07:35 PM
My experiences with Leupold have been a little different.
I own a total of of seven (two 3x9's one 4X and four 2x7's). Have bought all of them used, most with a couple of dings and scratches. Got my first Leupold 16 years ago on my first "coyote" rifle, a used Ruger .243.
A month or so after buying it I realized the scope was fogging. Sent it back to Leupold and they fixed and returned it fast, no questions asked.
Have only had this one problem in sixteen years and they did me just fine.
Sorry to hear about your luck, but I'll stick with them.
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Melvin
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posted December 04, 2006 10:27 PM
I might as well put my 2 cents in.I have a 3x9 leupold scope and its been on my 270 for 20 years and never had a problem.This gun has taken a battern around the country and i once fell and put a dent on the front ring and it still held its zero.
I do want to ask a question.Have any of you ever tried a red field scope?And what do you think of them?I been thinking about mounting one on my 243.I have a simmons here,but think the redfield would be a better scope.
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posted December 05, 2006 07:56 AM
I used a 6x18-40 Redfield 5 star on my .22-250 for 15 years or so until I swapped it with a Burris 4.5x14-42.Good Scope held zero well but was kinda big and bulky.My dad has a few on different rifles,4x12-40 5 stars,he seems to like them.FWIW Good Hunting Chad
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posted January 05, 2007 01:34 PM
Melvin, In 1973, I bought a Redfield 6 power. I still use the scope. Early 1990s, I sent it back to have the gas redone in it. In the 1980s, I bought a 4x12 and I still use it. These early Redfields, in my opinion, were really good scopes. The Redfields made today, I really don't know about. However, I can say that I would take an early model Redfield scope over a Simmons. That's just my opinion.
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Leonard
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posted January 05, 2007 07:28 PM
I think I agree with Dusty. I bought a Redfield scope, way back in the seventies, I think it was a 6X18? Didn't like it for my application and traded it straight across for a new 12X Leupold.
I bought a rifle at a gun show, a Remington 308, with a 4X Redfield on it, a long time ago. The rifle has a very low serial number, and the scope appears to be from way back also, maybe the sixties? Although it was a throw away, that's a jim dandy scope, and I have mounted it on a bunch of different rifles, centerfire and rimfires. I don't think I would be tempted to sell it, it has come in handy a number of times.
However, generally speaking, I don't have much use for Redfields, I certainly wouldn't buy a new one.
Good hunting. LB
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Rich
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posted January 06, 2007 07:55 AM
A couple of years ago, I looked through a new Leupold VX-1. It was a very fuzzy picture that I saw through that scope. Yesterday I was talking to a friend who recently ran across a fellow hunter who had a new VX-3 on his rifle. The guy with the VX-3 looked through my friends Nikon and remarked in regard to how bright and clear the Nikon was. Now I come back here and re-read some of Cal's experiences with Leupold scopes. I am convinced that Leupold is going the way of Black & Decker power tools. Build cheap quality goods and live off from your good name for a few more years.
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