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Topic: Ballistic-Plex???
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Bud/OR
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posted December 03, 2005 02:04 AM
Anyone here have experience with the Burris II Fullfield with Ballistic-Plex reticle? I'm intrigued with the reticle. Is this a quality scope?
Also...My current Midway flier gives a price of $329.00 for a 3x9x40 with matte finish. An ad. in 'RifleScopes.com' shows the same scope with a free spotting scope for $197.95. What am I missing here? Anyone have a clue why the discrepancy? I hesitate to order the one from RifleScopes even though the ad. wording is the same(other than major difference in price).
Thanks.
Bud
[ December 03, 2005, 02:06 AM: Message edited by: Bud/OR ]
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Rich Higgins
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posted December 03, 2005 07:47 AM
Hey Bud.
I bought the same package for the same price for Tyler last Christmas on varmit hunter's recommendation. Tyler likes it better than the Leupold VariX 111 3.5X10 that was on his calling rifle. The compact spotting scope that was included is very handy and of surprisingly good qualty.
Great bargain.
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JoeF
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posted December 03, 2005 10:00 AM
I bought the 3x9x40 with the spotting scope for $199. Decent spooting scope, I've used it a few times sighting in rifles and am very pleased with it.
As far as the "b-plex", I'd trade it any day for a good old duplex. Good news, I've used it a few times and won't trash it as bad as I would have. I have no use for the dots but the crosshairs are still usable. Better than my gut reaction!
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Krustyklimber
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posted December 03, 2005 05:31 PM
Depending on where you order it, they are now offering the balistic-plex with your choice of the spotting scope, or a pair of binoculars.
My brother got the spotting scope with his riflescope, and both have served us very well.
The plex reticle matches up to his 30-06 very closely.
I am asking for the scope and bino's for X-mas.
Krusty 
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Leonard
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posted December 03, 2005 05:38 PM
Oh darn, K. Too late, I already got you the reindeer jammies. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Az-Hunter
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posted December 03, 2005 06:13 PM
Im looking at the Natchez catalog now, and they have them for $169.00. I have one on my 17 rem, great scope, but I have to admit, Ive not yet played with the plexs? Cal has figured it out, so he can give you the finer popints on its use.
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Doggitter
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posted December 03, 2005 06:31 PM
Has any of you checked how far up the first point will put you at 100 yards? I'd like to have a scope with a small crosshair at a raise of 1.5" @100. Leupold says they can't do that.
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Bud/OR
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posted December 03, 2005 08:36 PM
Thanks Guys,
First thing, Monday morning, I'm going to have the 3x9 plus binoculars in the mail.
Bud
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Tim Behle
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posted December 04, 2005 05:12 AM
Doggitter,
That would all depend on what power you set the scope at, and the load and rifle that you were shooting.
The most sure way to hit 1.5" high at 100 yards, is to zero the rifle in at 100 yards, then hold and inch and a half high.
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Krustyklimber
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posted December 04, 2005 01:00 PM
On most rifles (zeroed at 100yds), with standard loads (not reduced recoil), the hashmarks will correlate "close enough" to use for most game hunting (out to about 300yds).
For match type shooting, smaller targets like prairie dogs, and longer distances, some hold-over/load developement, and lots practice is necessary.
The scopes come with a bunch of little stickers, with a chart of the plexes, as they relate to many standard calibers.
For other calibers, there's several computer programs, that will calculate the hashmarks for most of the "measuring" reticles.
Krusty
P.S. Leonard, Will the PJs make decent desert camo? I seen some horsie ones at Wally World that would. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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JoeF
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posted December 04, 2005 04:17 PM
Krusty, mine didn't come with stickers for much except some very common stuff - 223, 243, 270, 30-06,etc...
Suprisingly, I don't think 22-250 was on the chart. 243 was, so that is where my scope now sets. I don't shoot that 243 much, I'm mainly getting it in shape for my son to use as a starter deer rifle. Some day if I have a lot of time on my hands I might play with it some, time will tell.
Natchez has them for $160 now? Figures, I bought mine from the same place about a month ago for $199...
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Krustyklimber
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posted December 04, 2005 06:54 PM
Joe,
That's what I meant by "standard", you know, hardware store calibers. (I doubt there's a sticker for a 7.62x54R either)
I am suprised there isn't a 22-250 sticker in the bunch though, that seems fairly common anymore.
It's not too hard to find a caliber that's balistics are similar to your 22-250 (or whatever else), and use it's information/sticker.
The reality of all the measuring scopes is, that you must know the exact yardage, for exact compensation (ranging landmarks/points of reference might not be good enough).
Falling in between the hashmarks (or being in a hurry) just leaves you back at, having a feel for the rifle and it's capabilities, and estimating the shot.
The plexes main use for me, would be punching paper, and small targets (diggers) at moderate to long (lasered or otherwise known) distances. I imagine most of the rest of the time (like Tim says) I'd just use the crosshairs and hold over if I needed to.
Sometimes using "The Force" is the best chance ya got. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Doggitter
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posted December 04, 2005 10:03 PM
I looked on the Burris site and didn't find an answer. I want 4.5" high at 300 yards, 9X.
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varmit hunter
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posted December 05, 2005 02:20 PM
The reason there is no chart for the 22-250 is the ballistic Plex is for the 55 gr 22-250. No chart needed. By shear accident the same is true for the 17 HMR.
Dogetter if you will send me the BC and MV of the round you are using I will calculate the bullet impact for any wire you use. I have EX-Bell the same program Burris uses.
All these are calculations. Not magic. They are effected by humidity,elevation, barrel harmonics and a dozen other things. You have to make you're on chart if you wont pinpoint accuracy. My 17HMR its 2 1/2" low at 300 yards on the bottom wire. My partners 4 1/2" low.
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JoeF
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posted December 05, 2005 06:41 PM
Over my head, I'll just shoot and have a good time.
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Doggitter
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posted December 05, 2005 06:43 PM
Thanks VH. Got the trajectory, trying to find a scope with a second cross to match it. 100 is 1.53 high, 0 @ 225, 4.6 low at 300. A 4.5" gain at 300 would do what I want.
Emailed Burris and was informed that the BP does shoot 1.54" high on the first cross, @ 100 yards, on 9X. That's so close that it'll work just primo!
By me one too BUD!!!
I think I know what I'm getting for Christmas, just have to let Honey know.
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Tim Behle
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posted December 05, 2005 07:22 PM
Doggitter,
Sorry for prejudging you. I thought you just had a rough idea of wanting a scope to hit high, with no trajectories mapped out or any plan. ( I've seen it happen from a bunch of guys before )
If you are willing to buy a Leupold Scope, then Premier Reticles can do exactly what you are asking. They put custom designed reticles in Leupold scopes. You just tell them the load and trajectory, and they will match it to a scope.
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Doggitter
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posted December 05, 2005 07:34 PM
No problem Tim. My lip sagged a bit but what the hell.
I got a VX-1 just before deer season but for some reason thought Premier only did the high end Leup'ies. I asked Leupold Custom about it they said they can only do what's available in their list of optional reticles. Dropped it at that. Was torn between the BP and the Leupold anyway. Thanks for the help. Loren.
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Doggitter
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posted December 14, 2005 08:58 AM
Emailed Premier about adding the single cross hair I want and they said no can do also. Everybody goes to extremes with the reticles it seems.
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Tim Behle
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posted December 15, 2005 04:43 AM
I'll be danged. I thought for sure they would do it.
You might talk to Sam ( S1 ) over at the AR Tactical board.
He might know of someone who can help.
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Doggitter
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posted December 15, 2005 11:57 AM
Hey tim, it's moot point for now anyway. Ordered a BP last week so I'll just have to not look at all those other marks inside.
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