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Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on September 26, 2005, 07:53 PM:
Finally did it. Wanted a Burris 3-9X40 Ballistiplex but since I've heard so dnaged many horror stories about them lately, and I needed to get something NOW and the local gunner was closed, I went to BiMart and picked up a VX-1. 3-9X40 Matte @ $220. Checked Midsouth and I think they were close enough + shipping that waiting would have been a big oops. I emailed Leupold's custom shop about adding a dot for 1.5" high and haven't gotten an answer yet. Anyone used they're service before?
Probably get another and set them both up the same. One for the 30 cal and one for the .17. The second dot will get me well inside kill zone for both rifles at 300 yards. The 30 will have a high point of 2.1" and the .17 is at 1.5" highest. Should be able to use the 2.1" on big game well and the 1.5 will work well with Coyotes. With the speed of the .17 I could use the crosshairs and hold over but I'd like to get a common setup for simplicities sake and reduce my errors due to holding when I don't need to. By the way, I'm using the Hornady Light Mag. 150 Interbonds in the .30 and since I haven't crono'ed them I'll try to trust their published 3100 fps listing until I do. Also, if I did the Point Blank right, the .30 catches the .17 in trajectory at the same 300 drop. I wouldn't use the .17 @ 400 or 500 but it's 1" and 10" lower respectively anyway. Loren.
[ September 26, 2005, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: Doggitter ]
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on September 27, 2005, 06:50 AM:
You should have got the Burris. But not the Fullfield, you have to get the Signature series. I have had way better luck with them than I ever have had with Leupolds. The Ballistic plex in the Burris works great and you wouldn't be worried about sending the scope you have back to Leupold to get the dot put in it. Just my 2 cents.
[ September 27, 2005, 06:53 AM: Message edited by: Cal Taylor ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 27, 2005, 12:43 PM:
Leupold scopes never used to draw controversy? Back in the Jurassic, it seemed that there were about three choices, a Bushnell Banner, a Weaver, or a Redfield, which, at the time was viewed as probably the high end equipment available.
I will never forget the time I was at the range and couldn't see bullet holes until the guy next to me offered to let me look through his "Leopold", one that I had never heard of?
Well, the next chance I got, I bought one, and in a short period of time, influenced many shooters to buy one, mainly hunting partners looking through my superb 3X9. What a revelation!
Actually, the best part was the warranty, by far the best in the business, and still is.
However, the competition has not been idle. These days, there are a lot of quality scopes on the market.
I own exactly one Burris. I think I probably made a mistake in selecting it, because the low power setting is very poor under low light conditions, something that is extremely important to me. Looks good, well made scope, a Signature, top of the line, at the time of purchase, and not cheap, by any means. However, I have not had it mounted on a rifle in 5 or 6 years, just boxed and stacked in the corner? One of these days, I will buy another, I'm not dead set against the brand.
I have heard that the warranty is not equal to Leupold, but don't know that for a fact?
One thing about some sources is that you can evaluate and return the scope if you are not 100% satisfied with it. In some cases, it is a definite hassle, but if you buy two, and view both under low light conditions; you can then send back the one that doesn't seem suitable.
It is a very poor way to buy a scope by pointing it around the gun store and out the window, in broad daylight, with some jerk hanging around, who is anxious to put it back in the display case.
Another thing is sending your scope to Premier or Leupold for a reticle change. They have the Boone & Crocket and a varmint reticle, in a more expensive scope. I'd hate to tie up my money for a couple months(?) just for a reticle change. Besides that, I believe, for most applications, you can use the parts of a standard duplex reticle crosshairs for ranging and aiming, in quite a few situations, if you do your homework.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on September 27, 2005, 02:28 PM:
Everybody has favorites Leonard, just like guns. I have never owned a Leupold that would hold zero sitting in a truck gun rack day after day after day. Every one I ever had moved. I still have some on some rifles that I don't use constantly, and they are clear, and good. I just don't trust them. As far as Burris warranty, it is exactly like Leuplolds. Forever. I have several Leupolds around if you want to do some trading for that Burris.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on September 27, 2005, 04:18 PM:
I like Burris scopes alot.Mine are the fullfield 2's,and they are every bit as clear as my brothers Vari-x2 or vari-x3(in my opinion),so I don't neccessarily think it is just the signature series that is of high quality.The Ballistic plex in my 4.5x14 really comes in handy for my kind of calling.It has worked great for me in really low light conditions too.They are also very reasonably priced. 200 bucks for my 3x9 40mm.My 4.5x14 42mm cost me 325 bucks not bad for a forever warranty with high quality glass.I've also never had any problems holding zero,even when the gun is bouncing around in the truck or ATV.My 2 cents.GOOD HUNTING Chad
[ September 27, 2005, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 27, 2005, 04:58 PM:
Well, what you got, Cal? The one I have is a 6X24. You can bring it to the ronde.
Good hunting. LB
As far as "exactly like Leupolds" yes, they say that, but I also heard that the turn around service stinks, but (of course) that is just a rumor I have heard. I wouldn't really want to get in an argument about Burris, I really believe they are quality scopes and extremely well made.
[ September 27, 2005, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on September 27, 2005, 06:04 PM:
Well, that's a fine thing. I suppose none of the members here have had a problem with Burris or their service firsthand? :>( (That's a joke by the way, bad as it is.) My heart was telling Burris. In 82-3 I bought a 6-18 Fineplex original model Fullfield. Target turrets, A/O. I really like that scope. Still have it and have never had ONE problem. It's been on elk rifles, deer rifles, pd rifles, had it on my carry coyote gun for several years. It's been used very hard, guns it's mounted on dropped on rocks and everything else it seems. Burris has been my first pick since I bought it. If the BiMart had a Ballistiplex I may have ended up with one. Couldn't wait for one shipped though.
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Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on September 28, 2005, 07:29 AM:
If the cost of plane tickets keeps doubleing every time I check I'm not sure if it will be an option Leonard. But as for Leupolds, I have a original 7.5X, a straight 12X with the big turrets, and a fairly new VXIII 4.5 to 14X that a hunter gave me as a tip. I like the 6 to 24 Signature Burris, that is what I have on my coyote rifle right now. See anything that intrests you?
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Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on September 28, 2005, 07:31 PM:
Bought a Vari x-1, a couple of yrs ago. Not to bad a scope. Sold it, after I found out. Ya have to use a [coin] for W/E adjustments ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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How much does it cost, for a raised finger nubbin...[nipple] anyways? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on September 28, 2005, 09:03 PM:
I know it sounds odd, 20 years ago, I had nothing but Leupold scopes, thought they hung the moon. Now, I have not a one? I ve gone to Burris,and the high end Simmons Whitetail Expeditions. I don't have a thing against Leupolds, they just got traded, or left with trade rifles, and I tried other brands that I liked just as well.
Posted by 2dogs (Member # 649) on September 29, 2005, 04:22 AM:
Bought me a Nikon Buckmaster, after I sold the Leupold. It's been a good scope. Holds zero well, hard finish[dropped it once on the gravel road ]. Decent light gathering. Also pretty clear from edge-edge.
Best of all, W/E adjustment's doesn't require a coin ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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not packing a nickle-dogs
Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on October 04, 2005, 07:22 PM:
Got a call from Gabe at Leo's custom shop about adding a dot to the crosshairs. He basically said they can't do that, only add what available reticles they offer. I'm missing something. They can add all sorts of crosshairs of all manners but not a simple dot? Guess Premier is next on the list huh? Loren.
Posted by Todd Woodall (Member # 439) on October 10, 2005, 10:19 PM:
I have used several different scopes (including Burris) and feel that Leupold has them beat hands down. All but my .22 has a Leupy on it, and thats all I ever plan on putting on any of my rifles. Cal, I have never had a problem with a Leupold holding zero, and we are in and out of the truck as much or more than most. Its another Ford and Chevy thing (by the way I like Chevy).
Take care,
Todd
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on October 11, 2005, 06:52 AM:
It must be the smooth roads in Texas, Todd. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
I know 4 different guys that are gov. hunters and pound bad roads every day, use scabards on 4 wheelers and horses, and they have all quit Leupold and went to Burris. Murphy Love used to tell me the same about his Leupolds also, but then one of his went junk too, and the last scope he bought was a Burris. But each to his own, they can all fall apart sooner or later. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on October 11, 2005, 07:53 AM:
I have a dozen or so Leupolds. a Nikon, a Burris and two Simmons Pro-Hunter scopes. Tyler likes the Burris best. I took a VariX III off his Model Seven and replaced it with the Burris.
What amazes me is the duability and quality of the $69 Simmons scopes. The clarity is equal to the high dollar scopes and they have been on the rifles for more than six years with no problems at all.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on October 11, 2005, 03:52 PM:
I'm pleased with my Simmons Pro Hunter's too. Good value, in my opinion.
- DAA
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on October 11, 2005, 06:36 PM:
I have three of the Simmons Whitetail Expedition series, the 1.5X6 matte finish scope. Has the Euro style, eye piece focus, and wide field of view and bold cross hairs. Looking at the Natchez catalog now, they have two options, scope with Redfield rings and mounts for $120, without R/B, $99.99, a decent value I think?
I just put a 3X9 Burris bal-plex on my 17 Rem, havent used it for a couple years, so I thought I'd put some new glass on it, and take it hunting this winter.
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