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Topic: Hitting a running yote
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Thomas
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posted December 17, 2004 05:47 AM
I have watched Dale Tatum bust them coyotes running full bore. no one time but a lot, I can't find him in my scope that fast how do you guys do it?I have been told to follow flying birds . do any body have any suggestions.
Thank you
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Tim Behle
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posted December 17, 2004 06:54 AM
I keep my scope power set fairly low, and both eyes open.
How much you lead is a matter of distance and the velocity of your load.
The easiest ones are the shots at a runner going straight away or close to it. It's those coyotes that run in from left to right, 15' in front of the rifle that are almost impossible to hit.
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Leonard
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posted December 17, 2004 08:37 AM
What Tim said.
After that, pray that you have a talent such as Vic Carlson, for backup.
Good hunting. LB
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Thomas
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posted December 17, 2004 08:45 AM
if He comes in 15' I am going to put that 12 Mossberg on his butt.
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Tim Behle
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posted December 17, 2004 09:13 AM
That's the one bad thing about shotguns. If you don't shoot a coyote on the way in, it's almost always a wasted shot to try again as he leaves.
Unless you can hit him in the back of the head, there is just too much mass in the back of the coyote for the shot to penetrate.
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GUTPILE
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posted December 18, 2004 07:16 PM
Well here's a story boys. I shot at a coyote at about 375 yds today 3x. He was on a good run after the 2nd shot. 223 55 grain V Max Hornady. The last shot I led the vermin by 10-15'. My friend was watching through my optical illusion binos. He said I was closer to hitting the pest than I was by the 2nd. shot which was aimed dead on with a compensator. ????????? I don't know ? I just shoot.
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Byron South
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posted December 21, 2004 09:27 PM
Thomas,
When I was growing up I knew an old man named Chester Gage. He was the best shot I had ever seen. He was deadly on cat squirrels with his old 22. I asked him pretty much the same question. This is what he said "I'll bet you don't need to look down you goober to hit the pot when you pee" . He was kind of a gruff old man but he was right. Practice to where when you raise your rifle the crosshairs naturally cover what your looking at. This requires lots of time handleing your peni...gun ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) . Once you can do this your rifle will become an extension of you. Shooting running coyotes can be done with regularity if you are in tune with your rifle. Shooting coyotes going away is tons easier as Tim said. If I have the room, I will sometimes shoot out in front of him about 10 yards or so, this will alot of times turn him for the easier, going away, Texas heart shot. This is easier with a semi-auto because of the faster follow up, but duable with a bolt gun.
Byron
[ December 21, 2004, 09:33 PM: Message edited by: Byron South ]
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Az-Hunter
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posted December 21, 2004 09:45 PM
A 375 yard shot, on a standing coyote, is a pretty good poke to me, much less one running. I bet I can count on one hand, the number of times Ive shot at a running coyote the other side of 300 yards. And when I have taken a shot like that, it's really a swag, lacking the confidence I would have if that coyote was under the 200 yard mark.
Some good game shots would describe shooting at running game, as instinctual. I suppose there is something to that, but it really is a developed skill, requiring the use of all the familar mechanics of shooting,we are all acquainted with.
For me, it is very important the rifle Im shooting,is stocked correctly ie: length of pull, and feel like it fits me. We all have our favorite brand of rifle maker or custom guy, that has a model of rifle that suits us better than others. Two rifles come to mind when I think proper fit, my Remington M7, .223 stainless, with walnut stock, is an absolute perfect fit to my shoulder. My other favorite fitting rifle is a CZ, their stock design is wonderful, suiting my hold and position of rifle. Seems like a lot of boring talk about stocks, but they are one of the keys to good shooting.
You can't shoot, what you can't see.....damn leonard, that sounds profound:) If your rifle doesn't mount to your shoulder properly and comfortable, your not going to be looking thru any glass, or down any open sight correctly. A proper fitting rifle, should come to your shoulder smoothly, with no bump in your armpit, and no waving around to far in front of your shoulder pocket.You shouldn't have to move your head up or down for your eye to be behind the scope, a natural upright head position, looking forward, will be right behind the ocular lens with a proper stock and scope height correct.
If your rifle is right, you ought to be able to focus on an object at a distance, close your eyes, shoulder your rifle smoothly, open your eyes, and have the cross hairs settled damn close to what you were looking at.
I don't have to tell any of you, a coyote covers ground quick. The faster you can get the cross hairs on him, the closer your shot will be,and the easier it will be to kill that coyote.
Linger to long behind the glass, scooting forward, or backward, or having head slightly misaligned, not able to see the coyote in field of view, and to many seconds and to many yards go by for you to make the money shot.
Running shots involve different angles, and varying speeds of the coyote, many things that will change how you make the shot. Like Tim mentioned, a runner dead away, is one of the "easier" running shots to make, with a quartering angle, away, or to me a close second.
On a hard running, crossing coyote, Im better at left to right, being left handed, my torso swings more freely as I move to the weak side, my right. Right handers will find just the opposite, swinging more easily from right to left.
Most running shots, really don't require much lead if any, unless the distance is nearing 100 yards, then, depending upon the speed and angle, can become important. A crossing, hard running coyote at 75 yards, is going to have me pull the cross hairs to the leading edge of his chest, or just a slice of air ahead, and keep it floating ahead of the spot on the coyote I want to hit.
Running is subjective, Im more prone to take a good shot on a coyote that is loping smoothly out at 200 yards, than I am if that same coyote is smokin', body low, and making dust, you know the furry rocket thing....man they can move.
Chase a bullet after a 200 yard crossing coyote that is in high gear, lead what you think is way out front, then see the dust puff at his ass end.
Practice is the only tip I can give on honeing confidence and skill for shooting running game.I owe a thousand bouncing jackrabbits credit for helping me become skilled in hitting running targets, as well as involvement in the shooting sports, where I have shot a jillion rounds downrange at things that moved. The more shots I take at running stuff, the luckier I seem to get, just the way it works.
Using a properly fitted rifle,one that puts the glass right at your eye, picking your spot on the target,and keeping the sight or cross hair moving with it,and allowing for correct lead if any is needed, is how the running shot is executed. You do it enough times, it will become instinctual. You perform the same mechanics of mounting the rifle, getting a good sight picture,figureing the distance, speed, and leading if necessary, then taking the shot, all this in a mere seconds.The difference is, your no longer thinking about it like a mathematical problem, but more like a movement or motion. Like pulling your door key from your pocket,reaching for the door knob and slipping in the key, easliy unlocking the door, all this without ever consciously looking your way thru each step. Instinctual, make sense?
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Leonard
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posted December 21, 2004 10:45 PM
That's great. Can't argue with a single point.
The only thing I could add is; don't try it unless (or until) you have run out of options. Learn every trick in the book for stopping a coyote for a standing shot, whistle, whoop, woof; whatever it takes.
Thanks Vic. Good advice.
Good hunting. LB
edited for spelling, please excuse.
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Thomas
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posted December 22, 2004 05:21 AM
Thanks guys, AZ that is pretty much what a competitive shooter here in Mtn. Home told me how to pick out a target look at it and bring up the rifle and do that intil it becomes second nature. I have Ataxia [staggering] and had to give up trapping, but still going after them coyotes.buying up howlers and practicing.
Thanks alot I really appreciate it
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GUTPILE
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posted December 22, 2004 06:50 AM
I would of been better if I got the rascal. Probably luck on the close miss. But, I do tend to shot at them at long ranges. We have alot of open ground here. You know how they can pick you out.
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Bryan J
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posted December 22, 2004 07:20 AM
AZ-Hunter, good post! Thank You
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Leonard
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posted December 22, 2004 07:41 AM
There is another guy on here that has made a few circus shots, with witnesses.
Maybe we can get Tom Moore , to add a few of the finer points involved?
Hard work and practice is great, but some of these guys just have a whole lot more natural talent than the rest of us.
What do you say, "22-250"? Are you out there?
Good hunting. LB
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Lonny
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posted December 22, 2004 05:50 PM
Excellent post AZ. You put some serious time and thought into that post. Much appreciated.
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GUTPILE
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posted December 22, 2004 07:33 PM
I'm gonna remember the " circus " shot comment. I like it. Can I use it on 1/1/2005 when I go with a virgin coyote hunter? PLEASE !
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posted December 23, 2004 05:46 PM
Everything that Az-Hunter said in his post is right on. I do not think that I can explain how I shoot. It is more natural than thinking about it. I do not mean that it can not be learned, because I think I taught myself the ability to shoot.
I mean when I was really young, 10 to 16 year old, I carry a gun with me every day, and shot it a couple of hundred times a day. My dad was so angry with me so many times because I would shoot a squirrel running in a tree with a 22 or I would take my daisy pump BB gun from the hip and keep a beer can moving that he was trying to shoot with aim fire.
The special units of the military believe teaching the same thing. They will shoot hundred of rounds each day so that their aimpoint becomes a learned ability. Like Az-Hunter it becomes automatic. The same is true for the quick draw, tactical, and trick shooting experts.
All of my shot that are successful, are quick shots, look, acquire, lead and shoot. I sometimes have a problem with shooting a standing target if I try too long in getting a really steady aim in a free hand shot.
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Barndog
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posted January 03, 2005 12:22 PM
There is also another technique, let the coyote run into your scope. Some SWAT teams practice this method. Know your scope, distances and targets. For example If a grown man (6 feet 200 lbs) was walking at normal walking speed at a distace of 100 yards, the shooter could place the scope in front of the man and wait for the person to walk into the scope and toward the cross hairs, the shooter would fire when the cross hairs touched the first article of clothing, the actual shot placement would hit the man between the mans chest and backbone. A running coyote could be fired on at 100 yards when he first enters the scope (depending on power, etc) This is really hard for coyotes, they normally jump and weave through brush, run at different speeds, etc. I prefer A-Z method myself but I thought I would throw out another way to pee in the bowl.
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Leonard
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posted January 03, 2005 01:24 PM
Interesting. I use this method on running dogs, when there is a limited number of openings. I just sort of wait for them to get there. Has it's drawbacks.
Good hunting. LB
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posted January 25, 2005 02:07 PM
Personally, I like to use the full-auto tracer fire technique. Eventually I get them everytime.
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posted January 29, 2005 10:58 AM
Well said Byron and Az. I especially like the statement.... "The more shots I take at running stuff, the luckier I seem to get, just the way it works." That pretty much sums it up.
I can't describe any kind of real science to hitting running coyotes. Everything Az said is right on. The farther they get out, the harder it gets to hit them. Getting on them quickly is essential.
Byron said..."Shooting running coyotes can be done with regularity if you are in tune with your rifle." I completely agree. A rifle that fits well, goes right to the face and is ready for action is key. Like he said, once you do it enough, your rifle becomes an extension. No real perceivable thought goes into performing the action. You just do it.
On long range runners, for me at least, once a coyote gets past a certain point, hitting them turns into plain s__t-house luck. LOL!
Good hunting
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posted January 30, 2005 08:08 AM
Most of the shots I have made on hard running coyotes were taken somewhere between twenty-eighty yards. My scope is usually set on 3 or 4 power for wide field of view. I use a "swing through" method, and try to touch off the shot when cross hairs are on his nose. Practice is the key. You can't hit em if you don't shoot. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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