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Seldom Ever
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posted May 10, 2003 03:52 AM
scopes,what do you think of them ? Bought my first one,fairly cheap,seems real nice for the money.Don't really need it here in the East,not many far shots,but I figured what the heck,for the money?
It's a 4x16x40 with crosshairs that light up red.I intend to put it on my Bushmaster 223, anybody had any prior experience with these ?
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posted May 10, 2003 08:48 AM
No, but I will give you the benefit of my opinion, in general. Forget the clutter of mildots, just get a duplex, it has all the rangefinding features you will ever need. BSA, never looked at one, but for fair weather hunting, I suppose you don't need much in the way of resolution or light gathering? You get what you pay for, very true regarding optics.
Hunting forests, you are way over X'ed with a 4X16.
Good hunting. LB
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posted May 10, 2003 09:05 AM
ok,explain duplex to me, I'm new to all the scopes that people post about on this and other forums ? All I've ever used in 25+ years of hunting are 3x9x40 variables.
The only reason we bought variables here was to help determine horn size.Most deer shots are taken on 3x power.I have never understood why people spend so much on scopes, when in most instances a much cheaper one will serve just as well ? As an example,I don't think a leupold has anything on a Bushnell elite other than price ? Most of my guns have $99 swift scopes on them, and I've yet to have one fail me.I've hunted in heavy rain and snow all day long with them, and the most I've had to do is clean the mist and fog or snow off the outside lens of the scope.To take care of that problem, I put Bushnell elites with rainguard on my 2 deer rifles,which is the only thing I hunt in the rain and snow anyway.
Regarding the mil-dot,I know I'm overscoped for my area,except in one particular instance.There is a chance,if I climb up on a log pile and take a prone or sitting position, for 7 or 800 yard shots across clearcuts,if the conditions are right.So,I bought it,hoping occasionally to set up like that ? All I'd then have to worry about is the light brush between me and the target,and hopefully my elevation above the target would take care of most of that problem ?
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posted May 10, 2003 06:02 PM
The way I understand duplex is a style of crosshair that is fat on the outside and very fine in the center. If you adjust the settings on the scope until your deer’s shoulder is between the marks and look at the ring it will tell you about how far away it is. If I’m wrong I’m sure the other members will set me straight and hope they do. It wouldn’t be the first time I let my ignorance show on this board, most likely not the last.
I have a buddy that once shared your opinion about scopes. One day he asked me why I spent nearly as much money on the scope as I did the rifle. I responded, “It doesn’t matter what I spend on the rifle it will never be any better than the scope it wears.” That’s why I spend a little extra, and in my opinion it is money well spent. If those less expensive scopes work for you, I can’t argue with success.
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posted May 10, 2003 06:13 PM
Basically, Bryan's right. It requires that you know your scope and the distance covered by the width of the wide part of the reticle, as well as the fine center part. You will also discover that it is useful to know the distance across the fine crosshair portion at a certain power setting. Or, half of the fine portion, or even the width of the fine crosshairs, itself. You can do a lot of rangefinding by using the various dimentions of the duplex crosshairs, if you just take the time. It is time well spent.
Good hunting. LB
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posted May 12, 2003 09:30 AM
Seldom Ever
I used to look at scopes in the same light as you do. Untill I went through 4 simons scopes on a 10/22.
I look at scopes in two ways before I buy one. How much am I going to shoot this gun and scope. ( I get scope eye real bad from the cheaper scopes. And if you are doing allot of shooting or just time in general behind the scope). Also how big of a gun are you putting this scope on.
I find that shooting sage rats or chucks I get scope eye with all of my lesser scopes. I just bought a 200.00 savage 340 in the .223. the gun is older than me.It came with a tasco world class on it. And it is tascos top of the line. I get scope eye real bad this weekend shooting. But the gun shoots 1/2 inch at 100 yards. And we had one at 3/8 at 100. That gun is getting a leupold as soon as I can Aford to buy one. Also when on the size of the gun in regards to recoil. My 2 bigger guns have leupold on them. can't beat the 5 inches of eye releif. Any thing less than a leupold on my 300 win mag and you will have that scope bounce off your forhead.
I'm not trying to sell you a leupold here. But the way I look at it is I have had enough of the lesser model scopes come apart on me. And leupold dose stand behind there product. 1 week before bear season last year my VXll Wouldn't adjust the power. I went in to leupold and they gave my a new one. No questions asked. And alot of the dealers around here just hand you a new one over the counter. can't beat that in my book. All of my guns in the next couple of years will have leupold on them.
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posted May 12, 2003 11:27 AM
I get the same service as Leupold with Swift scopes,but I've only had to return one,it was a 4x12x50 that my 45-70 pulled in half with recoil.
I've never gotten scope eye,and I shoot a lot.I don't even know what it is.
I have whacked my forehead a few times.That was not my fault or the scope's though,it was the benches at the range I was using causing the problem,they are built way too low.
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posted May 12, 2003 02:00 PM
I have owned 1 Swift. It was a 3-9x40. It was a great scope. I had it on a .22 mag.
Scope eye to me is when you are looking through the scope and after time it goes blury and then focuses again. If I'm shooting sage rats with my 10/22 with a bushnell ( any we shoot a lot then) I look away from the scope and every thing gets blury with that eye and it takes a while for that eye to focus. But when I'm behind my leupolds that dosen't happen. Plus the the optics is much more clear for me.
I do think that the new Bushnells are nice scopes on the upper end. I beleive the 3200 and the 4200 series. But for me personaly like the greater eye releif. Thats just me though. And pretty much for the same price. ( That was the 3200 Bushnell and the VXl leupold) and actually the leupold was 9.00 cheaper.
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posted May 12, 2003 02:27 PM
Whats the price on the leupolds again ? I can get a Bushnell Elite 3x9x40 here for 179.
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posted May 12, 2003 06:16 PM
Bushnell Elite 3200 3x9x40 here was 209.00 the last time i checked. And the 3x9x40 VXl was 199.99
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posted May 13, 2003 12:56 AM
Thanks.So I take it nobody likes a mildot scope ?
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posted May 13, 2003 06:45 AM
I like the mildot scope, I just don't use them on a regular hunting gun. But I do have on on the KHornet for shooting sage rats.
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posted May 13, 2003 03:58 PM
I don't care for Mildot, at all, in a hunting scope. It may have it's place on live targets , squirrel shooting, and that which I don't consider actual "hunting".
If you really want to clutter up a field of view with plotted lines, little circles and hash marks, try it at night, against a brush background. That ought to explain things better than I can.
For that matter, my opinion of a dot reticle for hunting. Same thing. Try to pick out that dot, at night, against a brush background. For night predator hunting, it's the worst possible choice.
Daytime, same. Unless you have blue sky, you just can't find the dot in time to do you any good.
Good hunting. LB
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posted May 14, 2003 12:50 AM
Leonard,are we talking about the same critter here? My mildot has crosshairs, with dots interspersed along the longitudinal axis,from the interesetion to the bottom.
It is not one single dot floating by itself,or a set of dots floating by themselves,they are on a crosshair,making them easy to find.
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posted May 14, 2003 06:26 AM
Leonard, I just picked up a Weaver 6x20 with the Varmint Recticle,,,love it. Extremely small dot and does it ever work on a dog town. The dots and mil-dots all have their place. I wouldn't use a mil-dot for a night hunting rig anyway, you don't need it. I guess I'm more fortunate than others, have guns for day and night calling. Only place I would use a mil-dot is on a dog town. Never needed one when calling.
SE, as far as the BSA and Swifts, I get the best I can afford. I do alot of out-of-state hunting and the worst thing is to worry about a scope messing up. I have all the confidence in my Burris, Leupold, and Nikons. I would never have it with a cheap scope. As we all say, you get what you pay for. ALL the majors have great repair service and warranty. What good is that going to do when that cheap scope goes down and you are in the middle of no-where?????
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posted May 14, 2003 09:37 AM
I have to agree with Purple. I have day, And night guns.
My shortest drive to go hunting is 712 miles. That is why I have six Burris scopes, And a second Horus vision on the way.
I do use mill dots, But not for calling.
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posted May 14, 2003 10:13 AM
Guys,I can walk into any store that carries the Swift line,and swap the bad one for a new one,no questions asked. Like I said,I've hunted in all kinds of weather with them,and never had a problem.My 45-70 pulled one in half last year,that's the only problem I've ever had. I understand your reasoning,but see no need to change mine,until I start experiencing problems. Rarely am I more than 6 hours from home,hunting.
I can't afford to drive 712 miles or more one way to hunt, unless I plan it way in advance and even then it could only be a once a year event.
While I have your attention P220,what would you charge me to build me a set of those sticks ? I know I'll go thru some lumber before I get it right ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ,so I figured I'd pay you for your experience,if you're willing ? Keep in mind,I don't need any purple or hot pink sticks , cammo would be nice though!
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posted May 14, 2003 02:24 PM
I've had some people asking and wanting some sticks. I may have to fire up the table saw and rip some wood.
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posted May 14, 2003 02:31 PM
Sorry,slip of the ol' finger caused the ol' double post
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posted May 14, 2003 02:32 PM
Well then,let me have the honor of being your first customer, eh ?
I'd be proud to own a set...
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