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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 03, 2026, 06:13 AM:
Those Creedmore’s are the hot ticket for just about anything that flies or trots and sneaks around. So, I’m thinking about necking a 6.5Creedmore to 17 for coyotes. I can’t be the first one to think of it?
What does the Peanut Gallery think about this revolutionary idea? I think it will be the next big thing. Can’t miss!
LB 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 03, 2026, 07:43 AM:
I dunno ............. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
How many Feets Per Second ???
What twist ??? How many RPM s ???
Hollow Point ??? Boattail ???
Mono or Bonded ????
Too many variables. Maybe just go with a 30-30.
Iron sights.
Get 'em the way Granpa got 'em !!!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 03, 2026, 10:39 AM:
Yes! Yes! that’s the big question! Rate of twist? Since everybody has gone off the deep end with super long and heavy bullets, maybe at least 77 grain? We should probably specify a one turn in (what?) 6’5” or faster!
That’s the stupidity of the whole Creedmore circle jerk! everything LONG RANGE! I remember when Tim Beale thought he would take a 7MM Rem Mag and camp out on a cliff overlooking some frequent travel path where he had seen coyotes passing and coming. And so he would dial it in and wait them out from way out yonder. I never heard if he was successful, but that’s the idea.
Makes no sense to me but this is the CREEDMORE MISTIQUE! Anything is possible if the name conveys magic! The confidence factor alone is worth-a lot, at least on paper. There will be swooning nimrods sure that they hold Lightning in a bottle type of confidence, knowing that the CREEDMORE label is a guarantee of success.
Ah yes! If it were that easy! A positive attitude and a powerful name is all it takes, for success! So, how far is possible? I think Tim was counting on 800-1,000 yards with a 7Mag and 175 grain bullets. But since this would be a Creedmore, probably 1,000 yards is average, I think? Besides, anything past 500, is 1,000 ballpark.
I think we can just call this new cartridge the thousand yard coyote killer! If Marine snipers can kill insurgents at a mile and a half, we should be able to dump coyotes at a measly 1,000 yards. Right?
LB 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 03, 2026, 12:08 PM:
As woodslore / craft skills decline we rely on technology to fill the gap.
Technology makes a wonderful servant but a poor master. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 03, 2026, 03:40 PM:
You see that, right there! That’s just the dispensing of sage advice I have been talking about! With a little bit of corn pone thrown in, every so often.
And FREE!
El Bee 🐝
Edit: Pinky is getting bold! That little rascal flew across the whole width of the yard, landed in a Plumaria. He can chew that tree into canon fodder, given a chance! But, I’m putting him on a short leash from now on or clipping his wings. But no more freedom for Pinky! It’s a good thing my daughter saw him go past the slider or I would have been looking for him in the other direction like yesterday, when he got up in the cactus/fig tree. In fact, he’s not going outside until he’s clipped, he’s getting a bit too frisky! He has suddenly discovered that he can fly! No soup for you, Bucko! LB 🐝
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on June 04, 2026, 05:05 AM:
Now that cartridge you propose has got to be a winner. I mean ,I'm pretty sure it will just knock my little pipsqueak 17 rem's dick in the dirt. 17 Creedmore Whiz Bang 5000 sounds like a good handle or 17 Creedmore Coyote Vaporizer?
The scribes will be touting it as the best coyote round ever devised by man or woman. And SURE to put fur up with ease.
The 5000 of course being the terminal velocity of that 75 gr 17 pill. Just imagine what it could do with a meager 25 gr. HP. 1000 yard shots at coyotes should be in any FoxPro toting coyote slayers repertoire. I NEED one.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 04, 2026, 07:06 AM:
"The Vaporiser" !!!1 Now, THAT has Panache !!!
With the proper load & spin that should blow the coyote right out of it's skin, the pelt ready for the stretcher.
When will shares of stock be available ????
We're gonna be so rich that our slaves will own slaves !!!!
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on June 04, 2026, 07:35 AM:
Leonard...I hope you have a patent for this soon to be Government round replacing that NOBLE coyote killing 556 /223.
You get royalties on great stuff like that you know.And I hope you include this small group of cartridge developers and Master Gunsmiths of varying degrees. Absolutely YOU TUBE Certified I am sure,
here on this board.
Assuming,a
great word lol,you get so rich you could share?....
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 05, 2026, 05:36 AM:
Just a cunt hair over bore but hey whatever makes you happy.
I was thinking more along lines of a 17 Valkrie, same capacity as 204 case but better. If 30 gr. bullets would be available the build would of been done already. oh maybe a 204 Valkrie with 35 gr. or 40 gr. zip bullets.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 05, 2026, 08:22 AM:
For youse guys that don’t know; the 17 caliber boat has left the pier, ain’t coming back this century. It was fun, while it lasted. If it won’t kill a coyote, what good is it? I’d put my money on something that hasn’t yet been abused, like 23 caliber, or even 29 caliber. Maybe 18 caliber? Victor has already wrung out the 19 caliber and gave up. He don’t hang with nothin’ for very long. Except I forgot; he might be still be exploring 17 caliber possibilities.
LB 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 05, 2026, 09:15 AM:
How about ...... Drum Roll ......... The 30-30 Valkyrie Vaporiser ???
![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 05, 2026, 09:20 AM:
NOT EVEN!
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 05, 2026, 10:07 AM:
I never like 30-30 because of case design. (rimmed case)
Leonard the 17 cal isn't dead yet! The 17 f.B. is still popular and 17 Hornet. Thing is though they only make ammo with 20 gr. or 25 gr. bullet. the 25 gr. bullet will work on coyotes its just range and bang flops are limited and why the 30 gr. has always been the better bullet. I don't understand why they dropped a 30 gr. for the lighter bullets. The 30 gr. was a bullet that didn't need fixing, it got the job done. So now days the guys with 17 f.b. and 17 Hornet are killing coyotes with well placed head shots so they say.
as for case to build 17 cal off of the 221 f.b.,17 rem, 204 ruger case, 224 Valkrie and then 22 BR or 22 ppc and thats about max for case choice. Can only push a bullet so fast and can be same deal with 224 cal. bullets and why the 243 or 6mm rem. are about max for case size in 224 range..
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 05, 2026, 11:15 AM:
No, I’m afraid Leonard is correct….. As a Coyote caliber, the .17 is indeed dead. The availability of the good Coyote bullets have dried up and unless you’ve hoarded a bunch from the past it really isn’t worth having one. I still have around 500 rounds of good Coyote bullets for my .17 Tactical. But after they are gone so goes the .17 Tactical. It was fun while it lasted though.😁
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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 05, 2026, 11:26 AM:
That being said, I still like to shoot prairie dogs, rabbits,rock chucks, and red fox with my .17 Ackley Hornet and 20 grain Vmax running 3700 fps…..
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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 05, 2026, 01:25 PM:
So ............ How long will it be until someone with a really high powered A.I. Program punches in all of the data & parameters' for the perfect combination of caliber, load, twist, boollet, yadda yadda yadda and develops the absolute perfect combo, making everything else under the sun obsolete ?????
Then what will have to argue about ????
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 05, 2026, 02:11 PM:
Perfectly understandable! I think it’s a novelty cartridge for not serious coyote hunters. Yes, it’s great for non damage, but even with the right bullet, I have pass throughs from a 22-250 Ackley, maybe a hole you could put your thumb through, but hardly noticeable even though I’d probably sew it and it would be very difficult to detect. But the difference is in smack down with authority. If you are strictly a hide hunter, yes you will be selective in your shots and deal with it. Yes, a seventeen will kill a coyote, but it does have limitations. This is like driving a Prius. Everybody knows it’s unimpressive, but it gets good mileage. When all is said and done, that’s about all you can say about it. Saving money on gas. Big whop!
Anyway, I’ve shared my opinion about 17’s and y’all are tired of hearing about it. So excuse me!
LJB 🙊🙈🙉
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 05, 2026, 02:28 PM:
I did not see ko ko’s response. But, it’s like this. There aren’t so many suitable coyote cartridges that the shooting world hardly needs another one. But, we are all tolerant of other’s opinions….right? So, dream up your perfect coyote cartridge while we wait breathlessly to know all about it. Do you know how many standard envelope sizes are available? Design your own version and the world will not beat a path to your door. You will be ignored.
As it is, we have so many adequate coyote cartridges, and there is room for one more. I’ve even killed a couple coyotes with my 300WinMag, while pursuing other game. Yeah, it works, puts them down with authority. Is it more gun than necessary? Of course. But it is capable, can’t argue with that.
Anyway, use what ya got!
LB 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 05, 2026, 05:41 PM:
" ........... use what ya got".
I go thru a lot of feathered death pointed sticks but my skinning knife will probably last forever.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 05, 2026, 05:46 PM:
well I got a few vid.s with 17 Pred. and say you wrong about its killing power. the berger 25 gr. is still alive and it will work just as well in a pinch. Pass throughs with ackley, yep that dam 60 gr. just too much bullet, 52 gr. does same job with less damage and no you don't have to aim for sweet spot just aim for the kill zone like you do with any other caliber. Hides are important even if they worthless and over kill is just that, over kill.
My gunsmith got me started on 17 cal. no one else gets credit for it, Its been a long road and I never looked back and happy where i'm at.
some say we shouldn't be shooting coyotes at long range, if thats the case then 17 Pred. fits to a T and nothing, i mean nothing else is any better for the job.
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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 05, 2026, 06:47 PM:
I would take the 60 grain Berger any day and any time over the 52 grain Berger in the .22-250 Ackley…… 52 grain Berger is better served with the .222 Remington….
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 06, 2026, 06:08 AM:
I know you will. the 42 gr. double h.p. is a better choice of bullet for 222 or 221 f.b. for that matter. get to know your bullets. LOL
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 06, 2026, 08:01 AM:
Tried them years ago never liked the way they performed in my 221 fireball. Probably the main reason I didn’t build a .19 Caliber back in the day, the cartridges really interested me just wasn’t a fan of the bullets.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 06, 2026, 10:01 AM:
Everybody has their ideas, what’s the best, or what’s the most efficient, or some other yardstick of worth.
I have not tried everything there is, I have tried some logical cartridges, main line nothing freaky, just no nonsense non failure stuff.
For a 25’06Ackley, really, there is no other logical choice. The 100 grain bullet does everything worth doing. Period.
In 6mm, or 243, I prefer the 6mm but I also have a couple 243’s. Anyway, 85 grain bullets are what works best for coyotes. I have used 105 grain Speer for mule deer-no complaints. I’ve used 60 grain and 75 grain bullets, usually on day stands, they kill very well on day stand ranges, but the 85 Sierra is the most reliable, near or far.
In .224” depends on your case capacity. If a 223 is all you got, well….you ain’t serious. But I guess any 55 grain bullet will do.
Now for higher capacity cartridges like for instance a 22-250 you need to stay away from 52, and53 HP. 55 grain is bare minimum but I like 60 and 65 grain, not considering the long range heavy bullets. I love the way a 65 grain bullet will blast through a center hit coyote and out the far side without blowing the hide tosmitherines. It’s perfect, clean pass throughs. Plenty of hydrostatic shock for bang-flops. There’s really no flaws on a 22-250Ackley a@3850+fps. Wonderfully efficient kills, no deviation no nonsense kills. If you are a serious coyote hunter, this or a plain vanilla 243 is what you should be using.
LB 🐝
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 06, 2026, 03:53 PM:
The 52 gr. has always been the prefer choice long before you was hunting Leonard. don't believe me then look it up in some of the old cartridge books. The Sierra 52 gr. has been around for 56 years. considered a highly accurate target and predator bullet and set 200-300 yards records in shooting matches. The Hornady 52 gr. H.p. and speer 52 gr. H.P. are not the same animal, and one issue I saw in them was h.p. was too small. I seen some 55 gr. h.p. and h.p. hole in them is too large.
I tried the Hornady 52 gr. H.p. and then came across siera 52 gr., never bought another box of the hornday 52 h.p..
for 243 the 58 or 68 gr. has worked best for what choices you have but I'd rather not even use one.
I've shot enough coyotes with all kinds of bullets no point in looking any farther but just for shits and grins I picked up few boxes of 60 gr. bullets so you guys better not be shitting the peanut gallery.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 06, 2026, 04:52 PM:
Look Jack; Even I used 53 grain Hornady’s in my 220 Swift. I’ve mentioned it here on these pages many times. The 220Swift Model 77 Ruger came out in 1975 and I used that rifle with those bullets for 15 years. Then, I rebarreled and it didn’t take much talking to go with the 22-250Ackley Improved. So my conversion dates from about 1990.
I have also stated on these pages that I fucked around with that with which I was familiar and it didn’t take too much research to conclude that I had to deal with this kind of horsepower. I had bullets vaporize at 4400fps before I tried the 64 Berger and settled on 3925fps. It’s a flat shooting MF! So I’m still talking 25-30 years of a revised formula. The 22-250Ackley has too much usable case capacity to be fucking around with 52/53 grain HP’s. It’s just a different league, and I have a lot of experience to compare. I did indeed kill a lot of animals with that Swift and can’t complain.
I still have another Swift, same Model 77 but it should be rebarreled. I’m just a sentimental old fool and keep. it stock, aware that the throat is washed out a bit. But my load now is with the 63 grain Sierra semi pointed, and I seat it way out past the worst erosion and the accuracy is sub inch. I’m participating in history, It just feels good. to use a 220Swift, the friggin’ name is magic.
Ya know?
So don’t talk shit, Tim. I know what I got and what it does.that being said; I’m using a 22-243Middlested and a 243Ackley Improved right noW. NO COMPLAINTS! I think I’m done experimenting.
LB 🐝
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 06, 2026, 05:54 PM:
What Leonard said….the horse power of the .22-250 Ackley deserves 60-65 grain bullets. I used 52 and 55 grain Bergers a lot when I was shooting the standard .22-250 and loved them. The Ackley is a different animal. Also best bullet I have found in my 6mm Remington on coyotes is 80 grain Bergers.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 06, 2026, 06:53 PM:
No shit talking here Leonard like said I used 52 Sierra for long time and no complaints. figure it out if you are shooting coyotes under 400 yards the 52 is king in horsepower in the ackley. sure 60 gr. gives little more energy but we talking coyotes here not deer. speed and less drop. then 52 gr. ELD shows up its got more BC if you need it and still H.P.. A 52 gr. Sierra or 52 gr. ELD is not same as a 52 gr. burger, burger uses that god awful J-4 jacket good in some applications and not so good in others.
experimenting I'm never done if something new comes along I'll try it if its a benefit to what I already have or better. Never know these days with all tech. for making bullets.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 06, 2026, 07:27 PM:
As I said, you can use 52-53 grain target bullets in a 22-250Ackley. I loaded it until primers flattened and they chronoed 4400fps. But they won’t hold together. So, I guess you could back it off to 3800-3850, if you were determined in using your favorite, dependable 52 grain bullet? I don’t care what you do, Tim. But there is a lot more performance available in that cartridge that you are wasting.
So with either 60-64-65 grain bullets, they hold a lot closer in the wind and there’s no doubt that they kill better, anywhere you care to place the bullet, from between the eyes to down the throat and out the bunghole. It’s more authority, demonstrably!
I am not pushing for compliance with my methods, I really don’t give a fuck. But it’s right there spelled out for ya. If you insist on putting your money on 52 or 53 match bullets in a 22-250Ackley, it’s just not logical….but it’s a free country! Knock yourself out!
LB 🐝
edit: I forgot to mention that I’m talking about a 28 inch barrel. What kind of velocities
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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 07, 2026, 08:23 AM:
Just saying but your results are based off the bullet going in and coming out. that's fine no disagreement there. Your coyotes dropped in their tracks and you walk over flip coyote around and find two holes. good deal.
But may i point out the bullet going through and through did not dump all of its energy inside the coyote, the remaining energy was dumped on the ground or in a tree somewhere. = wasted energy.
My findings or results are based off of what I found on inside of the dead coyote, CSI if you will.
I skinned my coyotes as well as the groups coyotes when I hunted with other guys. Notes kept on what bullets or cartridge they used and their coyotes would be marked with a colored phone wire to keep track at skinning time so each also got paid for their hides. My finding are also based off of a 100-200 plus coyotes per season samples.
As for the group i had no say on what they used but would recommend to them, somewhere stuck in their own ways, just way it was.
Also if a bullet or cartridge wasn't working like I wanted then I move on to something else I didn't get stuck with a mind set always looked for better results that what reloading and wildcatting is all about.
I have a few opened boxes of 53 gr. h.p. of varis brands and I don't use them as like said the H.P. on them is to small. The 52 gr. Sierra and 52 gr. Berger are better choice for 52 gr. H.P.
Calhoon makes a 42 gr. and a 52 gr. double h.p. but deal with those bullets is you can't push them real fast so I save mine for the 221 F.B. so i basically match the bullet to what cartridge I have and plan to use.
At moment the 52 ger. ELD is performing like a 60 gr. bullet except most times its stays inside the critter and what I want, all of energy dumped on inside.
Remember we are talking med. range shots here out to 400 and not long range crap so B.C. is not that important, just isnt for that short of distance.
And yeah I got all kinds of pictures of dead coyotes showing how my loads preform or how others don't. and I have a little jar full of what was left of bullets recovered from dead coyotes. A bullet that blows apart on inside of a dead coyote is what you want. A bullet that tends to stay together on inside of dead coyote tells me the cartridge not pushing bullet fast enough or bullet is made to strong. A 22 mag. is a good example, when i recover them its just a balled up piece of copper and lead like a musket ball, not good at all.
I'm not telling anyone they need to change what they using for cartridge and bullets, I'm just saying what works for me and why. I have more than enough samples to back up what i'm saying is all.
Now I'm still waiting on my new 22-250 imp. to show up. I have a few boxes of 60 gr. bullets that are going to be first bullet I try in it so show I don't have a mind set, i'm willing to try something else if there is any gain to it, if not I'll set what bullets are left at the back of the shelf alongside other bullets that didn't perform.
Now I'm just saying so no one get all bent out of shape,
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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 07, 2026, 09:20 AM:
That’s great Tim, sounds like you’ve got it all figured out.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 07, 2026, 09:48 AM:
No one gets bent out of shape, Mr Contrarian!
I should mention, although it’s pretty basic; that the very first thing I look for in a hunting bullet is accuracy. Otherwise, I might use a FMJ. I also do not ascribe to the notion that the bullet blows up inside the critter.
Another thing we deal with out west is wind. My 65 grain bullets hold in the wind a lot better than a 52HP.
LB 🐝
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on June 07, 2026, 10:46 AM:
I am not sure if any of you watch Texas Plinking, but it is on you tube the first Sunday of every month. A one moa and a half moa target at 1000 yards. It is a point system which requires a hit on the one moa before moving to the half moa. A maximum of 10 shots. Shooters come from all over the US to try their luck and there are some damn good shooters who show up. Only five shooters per show and they shoot one at a time. No spotting by bystanders. The shooter is on his own. It is very entertaining. Oh, I almost forgot, a 22 Creedmore won it today.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 07, 2026, 01:55 PM:
Little tid bit on bullets.
52 gr. Hornady A-max its been around a while. many of internet experts say its same bullet as the new 52 gr. ELD and Hornady just changed name as market hype.
well let's take a look as I have both bullets on hand. side by side you can clearly see the different but I decided to measure them for more exacts.
I'm using a stoney point bullet gauge you use to measure bullet seating depth.
52 gr. A-max from base of bullet to Ogive is 1.390 with overall length of bullet from base to tip .791
52 gr. ELD base to Ogive 1.400 with bullet length of .805
Both bullets use a heavier jacket just like the Sierra 52 gr. H.P. just B.C. little better with the Hornady's but like said out to 400 it don't matter much. But also its there if you need it.
I don't have much time for range work till I get the new rifle back and then I'll set up a target at 400 and 500 yards and we see how everyone does including a 60 gr., all just for shits and giggles.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 07, 2026, 01:57 PM:
thanks for info Randy, but come to think of it, its probably all creeds or PRC cartridges shooting the comp..
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 07, 2026, 04:24 PM:
Yes, thanks for the contribution Randy. I don’t know why an honest man would jump on the 22 Creedmore bandwagon? There are any number of cartridges that would be capable of winning that game. Why people ascribe magic to certain cartridges, I do not know. But I think there is a long list of possibilities and it’s just a crapshoot. The idea that there is something special about the name Creedmore is just baloney. A Thousand yard target shooting contest is a gimmick. What’s the application? Is it a real world coyote hunting application? Is that the message for all the young and impressionable Nimrods out there? Use a “CREEDMORE” for your coyote hunting because all the cool kids won some 1,000 yard shooting contest.
I just think a lot of this tinkering with case design is a version of BUILD A BETTER MOUSETRAP and the world will beat down your door, and you will get rich selling 22 Creedmore rifles! Personally, I am a contrary asshole as it is, and I am sick to death of all the stupid HYPE about all things Creedmore! If there is a BUZZ WORD in the specialized shooting community that deserves popularity and recognition, you could just as easily vote for ACKLEY IMPROVED! I’m just sick and tired of this twaddle about CREEDMORE! It’s just the Hoolahoop fad of the shooting community. You would think gun people would be immune to all of this deliberate hype. Trust me there is no magic in the case or the name. People are just gulible!
Please put me down as not convinced!
LB 🐝
edit: TA up there just made an astute observation! It’s like 220 Russian wins all kinds of Benchrest shoots….because 3/4th of the contestants are using the 220 Russian. So, I have to wonder how many of the entrants in that 1,000 yard match described above were using a 22 Creedmore, or anything with the Creedmore name, 6mm or 6.5?
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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 07, 2026, 05:19 PM:
I figure there are a bunch of them as two cases I mentioned are very popular these days. I think many just looking for a reason to just get out and shoot.
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on June 07, 2026, 07:28 PM:
Cartridges range from .223 all the way to 50 bmg.
Some of the rifles are super custom and others are vintage WW2 sniper rifles types. Some handload, others do not. Some dial for wind and others hold.
It is a very interesting and entertaining show.
As far as shooting at a 1000 yards, sometimes you chase buffalo just for the fun of it.. pea eye.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2026, 05:49 PM:
Yeah, OK, Randy.
Taken in that context, yes just have a little fun, crack a beer afterwards. But, does a free for all contest with participants ranging from 22’s to 50BMG indicates if just a bunch of guys having fun. What are the odds that the winner of the event was shooting a Creedmore?
Well, seems like it doesn’t mean much, as far as Lessons learned. Maybe next week, change it to 2,000 yards and maybe a 50BMG would win? Not really. That cartridge isn’t known for guilt edge accuracy. Maybe a Lapua would have an edge at that distance?
Anyway, I’m not very interested in long range shooting. Practical, ethical ranges at game or predators. A coyote deserves a little dignity. That’s why I personally believe that it’s important to recover your animals rather than just leave them in the field. I hunted with a guy, good reputation, killed a lot of animals knew his shit. I didn’t doubt it, but he didn’t know anything about night hunting. He wanted to hunt with a full moon and I thought he understood that it wouldn’t be an all out effort, but he didn’t. I almost always hunt with a new moon, it’s just the odds are in your favor because the animals can’t see you , or not nearly as well as with moonlight.
Anyway, we made a day stand. It was in Nevada. He walked away from me way to my right. I heard to shot and a little later, we met at my truck. I wondered where the animal was and he was a little confused, said he just left it, didn’t even walk out to pick it up, much less bring it back to the truck, which for me, that’s expected. It’s a courtesy to at least go pick them up, not leave them lay. It’s kind of a respect fr the animal. I don’t think very highly of that attitude. I guess he figured, well, it’s not a contest and not pulling the fur so? Anyway, I don’t know, but I think a coyote deserves a little respect. Don’t just leave ‘em lay.
LB 🐝
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 10, 2026, 09:49 AM:
I got rained out today and needed to drive all way home get pickup fixed so i stopped at two gun shops to scratch a itch.
I picked up a 22 creed, 6mm creed and a 6.5 creed so there.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 10, 2026, 10:22 AM:
u.p.s. showed up today. boxes of Berger 17 cal. 25 gr. bullets and 52 gr. and 60 gr. H.P.s..
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 10, 2026, 01:42 PM:
Damn! You just casually stopped at 2 gun shops and bought 3 new rifles? That’s extravagance beyond comprehension. For my attitude, I need to know my guns, mainly rifles, the handguns are not precision as is the rifles. So, I find out what each gun likes and blend it into my purpose, I’m not a target shooter beyond testing to determine accuracy potential. Putting holes in paper serves a purpose, for evaluation. But pursuing the target shooting, beyond evaluation, I don’t have a lot of time to shoot groups and waste barrel accuracy. My objective is for a hunting application, not to produce a bragging group laminated for my wallet. Yes, I use a micrometer and chronograph but after I have selected a useful bullet, I’m not going to waste barrel life attempting to close up the groups into one hole territory. I mean, it’s nice, but I’m not going to shoot the same load for days, looking for the very best I can manage. I have a pretty good idea with shooting just a few groups. I consider the weather, the wind, perfect conditions, etc. I’m a fair shot, target shooting although it does get old after a while. I’m a better shot on game, under all conditions. If I do say so myself. I certainly don’t choke, I’m cool under pressure. And why not?
You know, with today/s gear, it makes it easy to make a shot under most conditions. I wish I was a better shooter, with a shotgun, but rifles is confident. Maybe I’m mistaken, but with accuracy equipment, a total novice can make the shot. In fact, when hunting contests, we would normally have a 2 man team but once in a while we might team up with a third man. If we had not hunted with him before or even if we did, the safest place for him is as the shooter. I always had 100% confidence in my partner. He would make every shot just as I could. But driving and using the light takes skill and the by far easiest place for a third man is as shooter. However, we once had a guy that thought he was a hero, I guess because he didn’t miss? The actual killing is pretty easy, it’s cut and dried, shoot when I tell ya to shoot! I’m going to set it up so that you can’t miss, just be ready. I’m just saying, as a new guy, until we get comfortable with him, the best place for him is with the gun. It’s just the best way to break a new guy into an existing team. Until he shows that he can’t handle it, we should assume that he can shoot accurately, when required.
I should also mention that our hunts are normally an entire weekend, from Friday night untilSunday evening. Balls to the walls.
LB 🐝
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 10, 2026, 03:03 PM:
Just fooling on the Creeds.
I did pick up a Howa (WTF is that?) in 22-250, varmint contour, fluted barrel and came with muzzle brake which gets tossed. its kind of like a Rem. and sako in one. Plan to have nephew test it out before I do.
If it shoots like they say then great if not the new barrel it is.. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 10, 2026, 06:20 PM:
Tim you should have saved your money on those shitty 25 grain Berger Varmint bullets and there pathetic B.C (.152) they are nothing like the old match grade Bergers that were awesome. You would be better off shooting the Hornady 25 grain Vmax with its (.230 B.C)the bullet construction is about the same as those shitty Bergers you bought.
[ June 10, 2026, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 11, 2026, 09:37 AM:
I never owned a seventeen/ caliber anything. My long time partner had a beast chambered in a .17 wildcat, long before Remington came out with the 17Remington. Anyway, with fur prices up, we thought it might be useful if we could limit the hide damage. I would say that the results went as expected, good clean kills within limitations. Just never impressed me as “the ultimate”. With a good disciplined shooter, like Victor, yeah you can make it work. But it has limitations, at least in our application.
Anyway, about Howa’s. I think they are a good solid choice and their trigger is better than most, just as it is, Personally, while a Remington action is my first choice, Savage is good and then Howa. I do not care for Winchester model 70. I have seen them chamber a 225 in a long action, with a spacer. I don’t know about that?
But, if I was going to pick up a factory short action, Howa makes one that is interesting.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 13, 2026, 01:50 PM:
Chad the 25 gr. Berger's shoot good in my rifle and a back up for when I burn up all the 30 gr. bullets as for B.C. don't really care on a 300 yard coyote. Now 400 or better that's another story. Oh and I have plenty of Hornady 25 gr.H.P. bullets as well and no no on the 25 gr. V-maxes, the faukers splatter end of story..
Shot coyote with 25 gr. Hornady V-maxes when first came out. Buddy stood there and spotted and I took first shot, bloop could hear bullet hit and fauker just stood there, buddy said I missed so I took another shot, same thing. about a minute goes by and then coyote just lays down. We jump in truck and drive out to coyote and had to finish with a pistol. Poor coyote was a bloody dam mess with dam surface splashes.
Couple weeks later I'm in Dakotas down on a frozen river, got a pair coming in so I took a shot at first one that come around the corner on the ice. coyote comes around and stops so I put one square into its chest, fauker goes down just like text book. I chamber another round and second starts come around corner but then hits the breaks and spins back around and runs back around corner. mean time the one I shot is up and running for the river bank and dives into a dam beaver hole. end of story. screen door don't have to hit me twice in face to figure out it needs fixing. I sold what bullets I had in stock and never looked back..
Morell of story is if a bullet dont work then I'm done with it I don't fuck around when comes to bullets.. and by the way that lost coyote was one of five I lost in entire time I started hunt or calling coyotes, either they going be dead or I just don't shoot simple as that.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 13, 2026, 02:58 PM:
I’m lucky I guess I still have around 500 of the 30 grain golds, 200 of the 27 grain golds, 200 of the 25 grain golds, 200 of the old 25 grain Berger match bullets, 100 of the 26 grain genco’s…..So I’m set with the good Coyote fur bullets for a while….
Also have 200 of the 21 grain kindler golds I shoot fox and bobcats with in my .17 Ackley Hornet…..
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 13, 2026, 03:37 PM:
I think I got pretty close to same number if not little more here and there but I also plan to use my 17 Pred. more this coming winter. I got some Genco as well in 2 weights and Calhoon also. also have a few solid copper 25 gr. bullets.
The 25 gr. Bergers I got are 25 gr. target and not the MEF bullets. Bunch of berger 30 gr. also with dam molly and have to clean that off if I ever use those,
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 14, 2026, 03:23 PM:
I took the Howa out today and tried some factory stuff in it. I seen way better in other rifles. maybe try reloads later or just use action as a donor or dump it.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 15, 2026, 07:54 AM:
This guy is off in six different directions before I have evaluated a single powder or bullet! NOW WE CAN’T BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS! He did “actually” buy 3 separate Creedmore rifles! Ty sounded like something he would do, so I believed him. What. if anything, can we believe that comes out of his mouth-or in this case, from his keyboard? Do you realize what you have done to your credibility? I don’t know anybody that makes a statement like that; I just bought 3 new rifles at 2 different gun shops
If I was smart, I would consider a time out….
El Bee 🐝
[ June 16, 2026, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 15, 2026, 04:16 PM:
Gawd help me .............. I gotta go with Tim on this one.
If you want a gun or guns and you can get them without jumping thru a bunch of anti-2A hoops ...... why not ???
Hopefully, this distasteful agreeing with Tim will not become a habit.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 16, 2026, 11:52 AM:
Back up and read him again. He just said that he didn’t really mean it about buying all those Creedmores! Or let me find it for you.
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Just fooling on the Creeds.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 16, 2026, 12:56 PM:
Ok then ................ We should condemn him to shooting a Mini-14, rebarreled to 30-30 for the rest of his life. Iron sights, no less !!!!
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on June 17, 2026, 02:52 AM:
After shooting the barrel out of my Mini-14 I had it rebarreled to 30-30. Not only did the accuracy improve it is my go to coyote gun now. Gave up my BBgun 17 Rem as a pretty useless ,hard to reload past 4500fps and inaccurate Rem 700 . And all I ever did was splash those no good 17 bullets on coyote guts. Thought about rebarreling to 30-30 Creedmore but didn't want to jump on that bandwagon til I shot out that awsome 30-30 stocker. AND DON'T KNOCK IRON SIGHTS,
I pride myself shooting against all those million dollar scoped guns at 1000 yards.
I tell ya I get so frustrated at you guys here in the peanut gallery for showing such incredible ignorance when it comes to reloading, ballistics and everything involving firearms.Let alone coyote behavior and hunting. Bunch of worthless information from know it alls..
Leonard should do SOMETHING about it. And don't tell him to first of all shitcan me from the site.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 17, 2026, 06:43 AM:
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 17, 2026, 06:58 AM:
I guess I could put you on/in observation, Walt? You sound a little looney, next you might start agreeing with Tim Anderson!
WE, (the Peanut gallery) need to be careful when putting down another man’s gun. But, because I have shot th Mini 30 a few times, it really is a CLUNKER! What I mean by that is the way the action bar operates, back and forth, a minute or two tater. To truly appreciate this effect, you should alternate between any AR and a Mini 14-30. The working of the action is so distracting on follow-up shots….that it is sorta DISTRACTING, and agonizingly S-L-O-W!
I had not thought about it before, but discarding the worthless 223 in favor of - wait a minute! What the hell is the cartridge? the Russian 311X39? The exact name escapes me right now?
I used to own a SKS that was chambered in the same cartridge that’s why I know it’s .311 and not .308. Whatever, I liked that gun, gave-loaned it to some miscreant and long story shortened, it wound up in police custody. But I kinda dismiss it as a worthless POS, but it had a quality I couldn’t quite define.
El Bee 🐝
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on June 18, 2026, 07:14 AM:
I have a friend in Nevada that has a dealers lic. and he used to get those SKS's a lot and the ammo too. I was really surprised at how those guns shot with military ball ammo. They sounded like they would come apart on you when you fired it BUT the military sights and that ball ammo was right on.Set the sight for whatever the range you shot at and sure a heck that bullet went there. I really was impressed with how easy it shot and would hit what you aimed at. Just sounded like a car wreck when you shot it. No desire to ever want one but I have fired many of them and was always amazed at how well the sights and ammo paired up.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 18, 2026, 05:49 PM:
Well, the SKS was a bargain when I bought it from a relative who was in law enforcement, for $80. I always assumed that LE have sometimes an access to confiscated firearms, you might call a BLUR MARKET. Anyways, I read recently that these Chinese rifles are going for north of $500. That makes it a hell of a nice truck gun, if nothing else. It’s an ugly little thing, and there in, the beauty lies.
El Bee 🐝
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 19, 2026, 10:57 AM:
Hey now if you read my post about rifles i said I was kidding but I did buy the Howa. And don't push me or I will buy 3 creeds. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Had Nephew take Howa out and try another load through it, it shoots pretty good so will work around that. so it now has a home.
I also heard from gunsmith and he will start work on my 22-250 ackley next week.
My son put two trail cameras up at the farm. He got pictures of a coon, a doe deer and just yesterday my wild pet coyote showed up to tease the dogs, god bless his little heart.
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on June 28, 2026, 05:09 PM:
I've listen to the Buffalo Bore/ Tim Sundles (sp?) on the Creedmore topic and agree 100%
At responsible hunting ranges - why?
I completely missed the 6.5 Creedmore marketing craze due to a horrible work schedule - 12 hr days, 13 on 1 off, on call 24/7/365. For years.
One of the last years I worked I made it to the farm and noticed a sister-in-law had a new rifle in 6.5 C. Cute.....
Fast-forward a couple of years and I had time to read-up a bit on the Creedmore and all I could ask is "why????" That based on my hunting/shooting styles and skills.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 29, 2026, 07:27 PM:
Yes, Joe. that’s my question too. The PR campaign for Creedmore is so overpowering, and the makers have jumped on board, less inventory and tooling to worry about. I could get started on Glock, too, but that would get deep. There is absolutely no reason to buy any Creedmore, unless that’s the only chambering in the store besides 308 and 223.
I admit a fondness for wildcat chamberings, especially Ackley’s. Maybe the resale market is poor, but I don’t sell my guns anyway. I don’t mind hand working depriming, chamfring and I use an arbor press. It’s slow but I will stack up my ammunition against anybody’s. It’s worth the effort and the confidence in knowing that you are holding a superbly accurate rifle that money cannot buy.
I am so damned onnery, I just can’t jump on board with the crowd. You just know that I’ll never own a GLOCK!
El Bee 🐝
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on June 29, 2026, 09:04 PM:
The thing about an Ackley is that there is a real capacity and performance improvement!
If my memory serves me correctly you're not big on banning members and I'm honest to a fault, so....
I owned a Glock once, way back when there was only one model. 9mm, maybe a model 17?
Here is where my past gets sort of sketchy (sketchier) - I acquired it in a trade for my Springfield Armory National Match M1A. In fairness to myself, the Glock was anchoring a pretty good stack of greenbacks.
I was a pretty hard corp revolver guy but did enjoy reloading for and shooting the Glock, except for the fact that after a few hundred rounds without cleaning it had a tendency to eject empties at your forehead. I tolerated that until one particularly hot and sweaty day I wound up with a couple of bleeding 1/2 moon cuts on my forehead from the case mouths.
I sold it to a friend who used it for some form of competition shooting at the local PASA park. He was happy and I've never missed the pistol since.
The M1A I still think about on occasion.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 30, 2026, 09:40 AM:
Yeah, Glock. What can I say? I’m a contrary sob, normally. I NEVER GO WITH THE CROWD. I happen to own 3 Springfield Armory guns, I’m happy with all of them. But I never warmed up to Glock. Everybody keeps saying; ya but they work! If you want reliability, a revolver is hard to beat, unless your insecurity forces you to pack 13 rounds. I guess packing a handgun is a highly personal decision. But a lot of Glock sales is following the crowd. And when every police Department in the country issues Glocks, like it’s the Eleventh Commandment, there’s no fighting it-for most of the crowd, but not this kid.
An interesting thing about modern police. They just aren’t gun people at all. Seem to show no interest, beyond that issued handgun, a model 17 or 19 9mm. It’s not a big deal, But I thought years ago, that cops were interested in firearms and owned a few. Modern cops (my impression) they have little interest beyond their issued piece. If I’m wrong about that, excuse me! Just an observation. No big deal.
El Bee 🐝
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 03, 2026, 05:02 PM:
Was craving for some fresh sushi that's a 2-hour drive but worth it. I first stopped at Scheels sporting goods to see if any new guns in or new trades. Not much to say there but did pick up a box of Sierra 52 gr. H.p. match bullets and got a case of larger rifle match primers which was on sale for 50.00, normally they go for over a 100.00.
next thing I back on interstate heading for Cabela's/Bass pro. I picked up a can of N-540, box 52 gr. Sierra match, 250 round box of 52 gr. Nosler match bullets which I never tried before and a bag of 204 ruger.
Cabelas had good assortment of used rifles and I found couple of older Rem.s chambered in 222, one m77 ruger in 22-250 and 243. couple off the wall rifle brands also chambered in 222. I think 4 rifles total caught my eye but I passed on them for now.
Reason 222 was sort of popular there was it was a dam good cartridge back in day for hunting Red fox and just a tad slower than a 223. The 223 just had too much vel. for red fox and not enough for all day coyote killing and why I don't like dam cartridge.
was kind of looking for an affordable 22 creed but only one showed up for almost 3K, found brass for one though. seem to be alot of 22 Arch brass around as well.
Was a 50 cal. on a table, price tag 8K
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on July 03, 2026, 07:50 PM:
Tim, which Cabela's?
The one on the N/S highway that leads to Elk River (101?) I was working in Elk River the 1st week it opened, at that time it was a neat pace!
Edit - Forgot to say that I'd almost consider a good 222 for fun and to work with some new reloaders.
[ July 03, 2026, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: JoeF ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 04, 2026, 06:44 AM:
Cabela's in Owatonna. I can drive East and hit up that one or drive little farther West and hit the Cabela's in south Dakota. Each store is little different and Cators to the different type of hunters. Cabela's is a little high priced on rifles mostly used stuff. It seemed like most of the used rifles would have a starting price tag around 800.00 and up.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 04, 2026, 07:15 AM:
Take this for what it's worth ..............
We have Cabela's / Bass Pro Shops in both Phoenix and now Tucson. I've been to both several times, 'bought' a lot of stuff and haven't spent a dime in either place.
How can this be, you ask ???
Simple, sez I. I have the Cabela's credit card that gives 'points' (read store credit) on all of my purchases. Have never had a problem with this card and the points add up wherever I use the card.
Then ............ every once in a while, I drop in just to see what I didn't know that I needed.
Thus endth today's plug.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 04, 2026, 11:23 AM:
I been to Cabela's there as well and bought pair of boots with snake guards which kind of set Leonard off.
You can't get them here unless you order them.
[ July 04, 2026, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 04, 2026, 11:37 AM:
KO KO. I’m confused! I have a Bass ProShops VISA credit card. Do you mean that everything you put on that card, shopping at Walmart goes towards Cabela’s and BassProShop’s points?
I only have been using my card when I go to BassProShops, we don’t have a Cabella’s anywhere close to me. Before she died, Tillie used to love sniffing around BassProShops.
So, just to be clear, you are saying that you build up points, no matter where you use the card? Is that right?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 04, 2026, 12:01 PM:
That's exactly the way that mine is set up.
Somewhere on your monthly statement it should show how many 'points' you've accumulated.
Of note ..... I was set up with the Sportsman's Warehouse card three different times. Each time they assured me that it was good anywhere and each time they screwed it up and it was only good at Sportsman's Warehouse. I no longer have the Sportsman's card.
So .............. Check to see how yours is set up.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 05, 2026, 09:00 AM:
OK
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 05, 2026, 11:05 AM:
BTW; The 'points' are also good for catalog orders & I would guess on-line orders.
Pretty sweet deal. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on July 07, 2026, 03:22 AM:
I have a 260 Rem and isn't that round very much like a 6.5 Creedmore? I got it to go antelope hunting and it works well on them and deer toooooo.
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on July 07, 2026, 03:42 AM:
And similar to the 6.5X55 Swede?
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on July 07, 2026, 09:52 AM:
Yes it is but it doesn’t have the name Creedmore after it so it can’t be as good……😂
In fact the 260 REM. has more case capacity…..
[ July 07, 2026, 09:56 AM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 07, 2026, 10:09 AM:
Well, you pose a question and I have a couple responses. First, there was never any great need for the 260Remington. Myself, I would probably rebarrel to something like a 257Roberts, which has a rich history. Even a 250Savage makes a nice, handy walking around do it all rifle. And, There is nothing wrong with that 6.55 Swede.
In other words, why is the world wetting their pants over those Creedmores when we have lots of capable chamberings that do not have the Creedmore mystique. We never needed the Creedmores, so why is everybody falling all over themselves and buying Creedmores? WTF is the magic, or are we being sold a bill of goods? I think the rifle buying public is falling for a con job. There is no compelling magic in the Creedmore label, we don’t need it, and never needed it. It is one of many choices. It won’t make you a better shooter or kill any better than any other mid range cartridge that has been gathering dust for decades. I personally think that the 6mmRemington is a hell of a versatile cartridge. Shit, I killed warthogs and Kudu and Impala with my 6mm!
Make your selection but there are a lot of choices. Do not be railroaded into the Creedmore Reservation kicking and screaming when you deserve your choices. Fuck Creedmore!
El Bee 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 10, 2026, 02:27 AM:
"Why is the world wetting their pants over ........" ????
Answer;
(1) Because we can.
And,
(2) Because that's what we do.
Realistically is there any NEED for more than;
A quality 30-06 with a good selection of bullet weights, a 10-22 in .22 lr, & a 12 gauge shottie ???
Toss in a couple of handguns and 99% of situations a person is likely to encounter are covered.
But .......... Tinker we must !!!!! Spend thousands of dollars and spend thousands of hours to tighten a group by a couple of thousandths of an inch ?? Well ..... Yeah !! Makes perfect sense.
It's what we do and do proudly.
And remember ........... It doesn't need to actually BE better, it just needs to be MARKETED better.
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on July 10, 2026, 03:54 PM:
Back to the 22 Creedmore. I recently watched another video about said cartridge and it was load development being done by a gunsmith whose name is Jeff Hankins. He was the guy who built my very first 22/250 Ackley. It was a shooter too and of course I still own it, however on it's second barrel.
Anyways, he said the 22/250 Ackley and the 22 Creedmore were basically the same cartridge. He went on to say they should have just standardized the Ackley and that would have given it the credit it deserved. Instead they made it a fast twist to shoot the long, heavy bullets and renamed the cartridge. I might have been wrong, but I thought I could sense a little disdain when he pronounced the new name.
On another note, I think I may have said this before, but am saying it again. The first time I took instruction from Steve Craig he told me about this site. So when I returned home I started visiting here regularly. However, posting absolutely nothing because it did not take me long to realize you had better know what the hell you are talking about or you would be put in your place rather quickly. And that is putting it nicely.
Two to three years of reading - learning and I was able to separate those who just talked the talk from those who walked the walk. The walkers were the hunters I admired. And then it happened. Leonard announced a campout and much to my dismay it was invitation only. All the guys I wanted so desperately to meet were all invited. I could only read about everything that happened later on the site. I believe it was invitation for two years.
Then Leonard opened the campout to everyone on the site and I was ecstatic. If I remember correctly, it was south of Phoenix in a place that almost required four wheel drive to get to. None the less, I met all the guys I wanted to meet and attended several campouts since that one. Made lots of friends, including Tim, and had one hell of a time at all of them.
I said all of that to say this. I want to thank Leonard from the bottom of my heart. His generosity helped create many memories and also to provide an opportunity for me to become a better coyote hunter. Leonard, thank you again.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 10, 2026, 08:33 PM:
Damit Randy I think i had a tear or two roll down my cheek. Agree lots of good memories.
The past week I'm back up by Albany working and rains about every other day but mostly in middle of week so a guy has to buck up and sit in hotel till its dry enough to work again. I was talking to a co-worker, and he mentioned there was a gun store in town, so I figured I go check it out. I walked in the door and you could see them laying, standing or up against a wall. (dam creeds) But also since i was farther north they have big woods deer hunting and beer hunting and noticed a bunch of the latest lever action rifles. eeew!
I gave the place a good look over and nothing caught my eye but I asked the guy about his suppressors he sells and asked what he thought of them. Then I mentioned he sure had good collection of pistols and boldly said to him very nice but you missing the best one. He says which one is that? I said a XP-100!! Then I was going to turn and walk out and he says hold on there partner I got something for you to check out, so off to back room he goes and short time later walks out with a XP-100 in 221 f.b. 2nd generation, it didn't have the plastic rib or front site blade.
He handed it to me and I just gave it a quick glance and asked how much. He said 750.00 and I said I'll take it.
I been eye bawling them for some time on gun broker, but they were all running over a grand so I just held off.
I use to own two XP-100 years ago and had one made into a rifle and traded other for the gunsmith work. Then to top it all off he handed me a padded military gun case for the airforce/army air Corp survival rifle that breaks down and fits in this case either 22 hornet or 22hornet and 410 shotgun over under. The case is worth about as much as the pistol I bought. anyway it was a good rainy day.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on July 10, 2026, 08:43 PM:
Very well said Randy and I couldn’t agree more….. Thanks Leonard
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 12, 2026, 07:33 AM:
Yeah, for Randy
I am so sorry that you were not feeling welcome to the first camp outs, I sincerely wish you had asked me and you would have had sincere permission. I think the invitation part was because we alway have haters and it’s easy, without even trying. So the invite was an attempt at a bit of security, if someone wanted to disrupt the friendly atmosphere. Just wish you had asked, not because it was a requirement but regret you not being there and I apologize for the misunderstanding and confusion.
In fact, we had a man, a very petty man that attended the Pichacho peak camp out and who asked me to take a picture with him and his kill, which I did. But this guy misunderstood the purpose of the CAMPOUT, with was meeting and camaraderie,not a fucking competition! Anyway, the spirit of the campouts was to get to know online names,like ko ko, for instance and put am actual name to a face. So, in that respect, the location was just a bit restricted,to discourage people with evil intent.
And, I think the purpose was pure of heart and they were successful. At least I thought so and never heard any complaints?
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 25, 2026, 08:36 AM:
I got most the extra stuff I needed for my XP-100 for up grades.
I upgraded the firing pin spring and went with a 32 pound Blitzschnell speed lock striker spring which canbe used in rem. 600 as well.
Scope base I went with EGM one piece tactical base and liked it so I got one for my XP-100 rifle as well and base will work on Rem. 600 as well.
At moment I plan to keep with plastic stock and linkage trigger system and its pretty nice trigger.
The pistol likes both the 42 gr. and 52 gr. Calhoons and the 40 gr. v-max. so I don't plan to put any new barrel on at moment but thinking about going with a 14" sometime in future.
I'll get a thermal on it sometime and clamp it down in the Bog-pod and see how it shoots at night. still waiting for my new ackley and upgraded 221 f.b. rifle to get back from gunsmith.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 25, 2026, 06:24 PM:
Stay with it, Tim. I won’t be shooting anything for a while.
El Bee 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 25, 2026, 07:33 PM:
I watched an interesting you/tube video today where the guy claimed that the firearms industry needs 'The Next Big Thing' about every three years to drive sales and survive. He made a fair amount of sense.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 26, 2026, 06:16 AM:
I think sooner or later they will do what Rem. did and bring back something from old days but in a newer version or better plat form. Many cartridges are getting harder to find or limited and only way to bring them back into market is have some rifles chambered in it then ammo makers jump in and start making them again. Many old cartridges got replaced by something new but not really replaced as far as performance as there was nothing wrong with many of them. Take a 221 f.b. its at the top of its class for small rifle/pistol cartridges. The 22/6mm BR. or PPC cases would be next in line.
But at moment we have to wait till the long range craze has died out and those dam heavy ass bullets which do little good at less than 500 yards.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 26, 2026, 09:05 AM:
As in when they put that rubber tip on the 30-30 bullet and brought the ballistics numbers into this century.
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