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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 03, 2026, 06:13 AM:
Those Creedmore’s are the hot ticket for just about anything that flies or trots and sneaks around. So, I’m thinking about necking a 6.5Creedmore to 17 for coyotes. I can’t be the first one to think of it?
What does the Peanut Gallery think about this revolutionary idea? I think it will be the next big thing. Can’t miss!
LB 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 03, 2026, 07:43 AM:
I dunno ............. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
How many Feets Per Second ???
What twist ??? How many RPM s ???
Hollow Point ??? Boattail ???
Mono or Bonded ????
Too many variables. Maybe just go with a 30-30.
Iron sights.
Get 'em the way Granpa got 'em !!!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 03, 2026, 10:39 AM:
Yes! Yes! that’s the big question! Rate of twist? Since everybody has gone off the deep end with super long and heavy bullets, maybe at least 77 grain? We should probably specify a one turn in (what?) 6’5” or faster!
That’s the stupidity of the whole Creedmore circle jerk! everything LONG RANGE! I remember when Tim Beale thought he would take a 7MM Rem Mag and camp out on a cliff overlooking some frequent travel path where he had seen coyotes passing and coming. And so he would dial it in and wait them out from way out yonder. I never heard if he was successful, but that’s the idea.
Makes no sense to me but this is the CREEDMORE MISTIQUE! Anything is possible if the name conveys magic! The confidence factor alone is worth-a lot, at least on paper. There will be swooning nimrods sure that they hold Lightning in a bottle type of confidence, knowing that the CREEDMORE label is a guarantee of success.
Ah yes! If it were that easy! A positive attitude and a powerful name is all it takes, for success! So, how far is possible? I think Tim was counting on 800-1,000 yards with a 7Mag and 175 grain bullets. But since this would be a Creedmore, probably 1,000 yards is average, I think? Besides, anything past 500, is 1,000 ballpark.
I think we can just call this new cartridge the thousand yard coyote killer! If Marine snipers can kill insurgents at a mile and a half, we should be able to dump coyotes at a measly 1,000 yards. Right?
LB 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 03, 2026, 12:08 PM:
As woodslore / craft skills decline we rely on technology to fill the gap.
Technology makes a wonderful servant but a poor master. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 03, 2026, 03:40 PM:
You see that, right there! That’s just the dispensing of sage advice I have been talking about! With a little bit of corn pone thrown in, every so often.
And FREE!
El Bee 🐝
Edit: Pinky is getting bold! That little rascal flew across the whole width of the yard, landed in a Plumaria. He can chew that tree into canon fodder, given a chance! But, I’m putting him on a short leash from now on or clipping his wings. But no more freedom for Pinky! It’s a good thing my daughter saw him go past the slider or I would have been looking for him in the other direction like yesterday, when he got up in the cactus/fig tree. In fact, he’s not going outside until he’s clipped, he’s getting a bit too frisky! He has suddenly discovered that he can fly! No soup for you, Bucko! LB 🐝
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on June 04, 2026, 05:05 AM:
Now that cartridge you propose has got to be a winner. I mean ,I'm pretty sure it will just knock my little pipsqueak 17 rem's dick in the dirt. 17 Creedmore Whiz Bang 5000 sounds like a good handle or 17 Creedmore Coyote Vaporizer?
The scribes will be touting it as the best coyote round ever devised by man or woman. And SURE to put fur up with ease.
The 5000 of course being the terminal velocity of that 75 gr 17 pill. Just imagine what it could do with a meager 25 gr. HP. 1000 yard shots at coyotes should be in any FoxPro toting coyote slayers repertoire. I NEED one.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 04, 2026, 07:06 AM:
"The Vaporiser" !!!1 Now, THAT has Panache !!!
With the proper load & spin that should blow the coyote right out of it's skin, the pelt ready for the stretcher.
When will shares of stock be available ????
We're gonna be so rich that our slaves will own slaves !!!!
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on June 04, 2026, 07:35 AM:
Leonard...I hope you have a patent for this soon to be Government round replacing that NOBLE coyote killing 556 /223.
You get royalties on great stuff like that you know.And I hope you include this small group of cartridge developers and Master Gunsmiths of varying degrees. Absolutely YOU TUBE Certified I am sure,
here on this board.
Assuming,a
great word lol,you get so rich you could share?....
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 05, 2026, 05:36 AM:
Just a cunt hair over bore but hey whatever makes you happy.
I was thinking more along lines of a 17 Valkrie, same capacity as 204 case but better. If 30 gr. bullets would be available the build would of been done already. oh maybe a 204 Valkrie with 35 gr. or 40 gr. zip bullets.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 05, 2026, 08:22 AM:
For youse guys that don’t know; the 17 caliber boat has left the pier, ain’t coming back this century. It was fun, while it lasted. If it won’t kill a coyote, what good is it? I’d put my money on something that hasn’t yet been abused, like 23 caliber, or even 29 caliber. Maybe 18 caliber? Victor has already wrung out the 19 caliber and gave up. He don’t hang with nothin’ for very long. Except I forgot; he might be still be exploring 17 caliber possibilities.
LB 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 05, 2026, 09:15 AM:
How about ...... Drum Roll ......... The 30-30 Valkyrie Vaporiser ???
![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 05, 2026, 09:20 AM:
NOT EVEN!
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 05, 2026, 10:07 AM:
I never like 30-30 because of case design. (rimmed case)
Leonard the 17 cal isn't dead yet! The 17 f.B. is still popular and 17 Hornet. Thing is though they only make ammo with 20 gr. or 25 gr. bullet. the 25 gr. bullet will work on coyotes its just range and bang flops are limited and why the 30 gr. has always been the better bullet. I don't understand why they dropped a 30 gr. for the lighter bullets. The 30 gr. was a bullet that didn't need fixing, it got the job done. So now days the guys with 17 f.b. and 17 Hornet are killing coyotes with well placed head shots so they say.
as for case to build 17 cal off of the 221 f.b.,17 rem, 204 ruger case, 224 Valkrie and then 22 BR or 22 ppc and thats about max for case choice. Can only push a bullet so fast and can be same deal with 224 cal. bullets and why the 243 or 6mm rem. are about max for case size in 224 range..
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 05, 2026, 11:15 AM:
No, I’m afraid Leonard is correct….. As a Coyote caliber, the .17 is indeed dead. The availability of the good Coyote bullets have dried up and unless you’ve hoarded a bunch from the past it really isn’t worth having one. I still have around 500 rounds of good Coyote bullets for my .17 Tactical. But after they are gone so goes the .17 Tactical. It was fun while it lasted though.😁
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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 05, 2026, 11:26 AM:
That being said, I still like to shoot prairie dogs, rabbits,rock chucks, and red fox with my .17 Ackley Hornet and 20 grain Vmax running 3700 fps…..
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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 05, 2026, 01:25 PM:
So ............ How long will it be until someone with a really high powered A.I. Program punches in all of the data & parameters' for the perfect combination of caliber, load, twist, boollet, yadda yadda yadda and develops the absolute perfect combo, making everything else under the sun obsolete ?????
Then what will have to argue about ????
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 05, 2026, 02:11 PM:
Perfectly understandable! I think it’s a novelty cartridge for not serious coyote hunters. Yes, it’s great for non damage, but even with the right bullet, I have pass throughs from a 22-250 Ackley, maybe a hole you could put your thumb through, but hardly noticeable even though I’d probably sew it and it would be very difficult to detect. But the difference is in smack down with authority. If you are strictly a hide hunter, yes you will be selective in your shots and deal with it. Yes, a seventeen will kill a coyote, but it does have limitations. This is like driving a Prius. Everybody knows it’s unimpressive, but it gets good mileage. When all is said and done, that’s about all you can say about it. Saving money on gas. Big whop!
Anyway, I’ve shared my opinion about 17’s and y’all are tired of hearing about it. So excuse me!
LJB 🙊🙈🙉
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 05, 2026, 02:28 PM:
I did not see ko ko’s response. But, it’s like this. There aren’t so many suitable coyote cartridges that the shooting world hardly needs another one. But, we are all tolerant of other’s opinions….right? So, dream up your perfect coyote cartridge while we wait breathlessly to know all about it. Do you know how many standard envelope sizes are available? Design your own version and the world will not beat a path to your door. You will be ignored.
As it is, we have so many adequate coyote cartridges, and there is room for one more. I’ve even killed a couple coyotes with my 300WinMag, while pursuing other game. Yeah, it works, puts them down with authority. Is it more gun than necessary? Of course. But it is capable, can’t argue with that.
Anyway, use what ya got!
LB 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 05, 2026, 05:41 PM:
" ........... use what ya got".
I go thru a lot of feathered death pointed sticks but my skinning knife will probably last forever.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 05, 2026, 05:46 PM:
well I got a few vid.s with 17 Pred. and say you wrong about its killing power. the berger 25 gr. is still alive and it will work just as well in a pinch. Pass throughs with ackley, yep that dam 60 gr. just too much bullet, 52 gr. does same job with less damage and no you don't have to aim for sweet spot just aim for the kill zone like you do with any other caliber. Hides are important even if they worthless and over kill is just that, over kill.
My gunsmith got me started on 17 cal. no one else gets credit for it, Its been a long road and I never looked back and happy where i'm at.
some say we shouldn't be shooting coyotes at long range, if thats the case then 17 Pred. fits to a T and nothing, i mean nothing else is any better for the job.
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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 05, 2026, 06:47 PM:
I would take the 60 grain Berger any day and any time over the 52 grain Berger in the .22-250 Ackley…… 52 grain Berger is better served with the .222 Remington….
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 06, 2026, 06:08 AM:
I know you will. the 42 gr. double h.p. is a better choice of bullet for 222 or 221 f.b. for that matter. get to know your bullets. LOL
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 06, 2026, 08:01 AM:
Tried them years ago never liked the way they performed in my 221 fireball. Probably the main reason I didn’t build a .19 Caliber back in the day, the cartridges really interested me just wasn’t a fan of the bullets.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 06, 2026, 10:01 AM:
Everybody has their ideas, what’s the best, or what’s the most efficient, or some other yardstick of worth.
I have not tried everything there is, I have tried some logical cartridges, main line nothing freaky, just no nonsense non failure stuff.
For a 25’06Ackley, really, there is no other logical choice. The 100 grain bullet does everything worth doing. Period.
In 6mm, or 243, I prefer the 6mm but I also have a couple 243’s. Anyway, 85 grain bullets are what works best for coyotes. I have used 105 grain Speer for mule deer-no complaints. I’ve used 60 grain and 75 grain bullets, usually on day stands, they kill very well on day stand ranges, but the 85 Sierra is the most reliable, near or far.
In .224” depends on your case capacity. If a 223 is all you got, well….you ain’t serious. But I guess any 55 grain bullet will do.
Now for higher capacity cartridges like for instance a 22-250 you need to stay away from 52, and53 HP. 55 grain is bare minimum but I like 60 and 65 grain, not considering the long range heavy bullets. I love the way a 65 grain bullet will blast through a center hit coyote and out the far side without blowing the hide tosmitherines. It’s perfect, clean pass throughs. Plenty of hydrostatic shock for bang-flops. There’s really no flaws on a 22-250Ackley a@3850+fps. Wonderfully efficient kills, no deviation no nonsense kills. If you are a serious coyote hunter, this or a plain vanilla 243 is what you should be using.
LB 🐝
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 06, 2026, 03:53 PM:
The 52 gr. has always been the prefer choice long before you was hunting Leonard. don't believe me then look it up in some of the old cartridge books. The Sierra 52 gr. has been around for 56 years. considered a highly accurate target and predator bullet and set 200-300 yards records in shooting matches. The Hornady 52 gr. H.p. and speer 52 gr. H.P. are not the same animal, and one issue I saw in them was h.p. was too small. I seen some 55 gr. h.p. and h.p. hole in them is too large.
I tried the Hornady 52 gr. H.p. and then came across siera 52 gr., never bought another box of the hornday 52 h.p..
for 243 the 58 or 68 gr. has worked best for what choices you have but I'd rather not even use one.
I've shot enough coyotes with all kinds of bullets no point in looking any farther but just for shits and grins I picked up few boxes of 60 gr. bullets so you guys better not be shitting the peanut gallery.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 06, 2026, 04:52 PM:
Look Jack; Even I used 53 grain Hornady’s in my 220 Swift. I’ve mentioned it here on these pages many times. The 220Swift Model 77 Ruger came out in 1975 and I used that rifle with those bullets for 15 years. Then, I rebarreled and it didn’t take much talking to go with the 22-250Ackley Improved. So my conversion dates from about 1990.
I have also stated on these pages that I fucked around with that with which I was familiar and it didn’t take too much research to conclude that I had to deal with this kind of horsepower. I had bullets vaporize at 4400fps before I tried the 64 Berger and settled on 3925fps. It’s a flat shooting MF! So I’m still talking 25-30 years of a revised formula. The 22-250Ackley has too much usable case capacity to be fucking around with 52/53 grain HP’s. It’s just a different league, and I have a lot of experience to compare. I did indeed kill a lot of animals with that Swift and can’t complain.
I still have another Swift, same Model 77 but it should be rebarreled. I’m just a sentimental old fool and keep. it stock, aware that the throat is washed out a bit. But my load now is with the 63 grain Sierra semi pointed, and I seat it way out past the worst erosion and the accuracy is sub inch. I’m participating in history, It just feels good. to use a 220Swift, the friggin’ name is magic.
Ya know?
So don’t talk shit, Tim. I know what I got and what it does.that being said; I’m using a 22-243Middlested and a 243Ackley Improved right noW. NO COMPLAINTS! I think I’m done experimenting.
LB 🐝
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 06, 2026, 05:54 PM:
What Leonard said….the horse power of the .22-250 Ackley deserves 60-65 grain bullets. I used 52 and 55 grain Bergers a lot when I was shooting the standard .22-250 and loved them. The Ackley is a different animal. Also best bullet I have found in my 6mm Remington on coyotes is 80 grain Bergers.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 06, 2026, 06:53 PM:
No shit talking here Leonard like said I used 52 Sierra for long time and no complaints. figure it out if you are shooting coyotes under 400 yards the 52 is king in horsepower in the ackley. sure 60 gr. gives little more energy but we talking coyotes here not deer. speed and less drop. then 52 gr. ELD shows up its got more BC if you need it and still H.P.. A 52 gr. Sierra or 52 gr. ELD is not same as a 52 gr. burger, burger uses that god awful J-4 jacket good in some applications and not so good in others.
experimenting I'm never done if something new comes along I'll try it if its a benefit to what I already have or better. Never know these days with all tech. for making bullets.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 06, 2026, 07:27 PM:
As I said, you can use 52-53 grain target bullets in a 22-250Ackley. I loaded it until primers flattened and they chronoed 4400fps. But they won’t hold together. So, I guess you could back it off to 3800-3850, if you were determined in using your favorite, dependable 52 grain bullet? I don’t care what you do, Tim. But there is a lot more performance available in that cartridge that you are wasting.
So with either 60-64-65 grain bullets, they hold a lot closer in the wind and there’s no doubt that they kill better, anywhere you care to place the bullet, from between the eyes to down the throat and out the bunghole. It’s more authority, demonstrably!
I am not pushing for compliance with my methods, I really don’t give a fuck. But it’s right there spelled out for ya. If you insist on putting your money on 52 or 53 match bullets in a 22-250Ackley, it’s just not logical….but it’s a free country! Knock yourself out!
LB 🐝
edit: I forgot to mention that I’m talking about a 28 inch barrel. What kind of velocities
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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 07, 2026, 08:23 AM:
Just saying but your results are based off the bullet going in and coming out. that's fine no disagreement there. Your coyotes dropped in their tracks and you walk over flip coyote around and find two holes. good deal.
But may i point out the bullet going through and through did not dump all of its energy inside the coyote, the remaining energy was dumped on the ground or in a tree somewhere. = wasted energy.
My findings or results are based off of what I found on inside of the dead coyote, CSI if you will.
I skinned my coyotes as well as the groups coyotes when I hunted with other guys. Notes kept on what bullets or cartridge they used and their coyotes would be marked with a colored phone wire to keep track at skinning time so each also got paid for their hides. My finding are also based off of a 100-200 plus coyotes per season samples.
As for the group i had no say on what they used but would recommend to them, somewhere stuck in their own ways, just way it was.
Also if a bullet or cartridge wasn't working like I wanted then I move on to something else I didn't get stuck with a mind set always looked for better results that what reloading and wildcatting is all about.
I have a few opened boxes of 53 gr. h.p. of varis brands and I don't use them as like said the H.P. on them is to small. The 52 gr. Sierra and 52 gr. Berger are better choice for 52 gr. H.P.
Calhoon makes a 42 gr. and a 52 gr. double h.p. but deal with those bullets is you can't push them real fast so I save mine for the 221 F.B. so i basically match the bullet to what cartridge I have and plan to use.
At moment the 52 ger. ELD is performing like a 60 gr. bullet except most times its stays inside the critter and what I want, all of energy dumped on inside.
Remember we are talking med. range shots here out to 400 and not long range crap so B.C. is not that important, just isnt for that short of distance.
And yeah I got all kinds of pictures of dead coyotes showing how my loads preform or how others don't. and I have a little jar full of what was left of bullets recovered from dead coyotes. A bullet that blows apart on inside of a dead coyote is what you want. A bullet that tends to stay together on inside of dead coyote tells me the cartridge not pushing bullet fast enough or bullet is made to strong. A 22 mag. is a good example, when i recover them its just a balled up piece of copper and lead like a musket ball, not good at all.
I'm not telling anyone they need to change what they using for cartridge and bullets, I'm just saying what works for me and why. I have more than enough samples to back up what i'm saying is all.
Now I'm still waiting on my new 22-250 imp. to show up. I have a few boxes of 60 gr. bullets that are going to be first bullet I try in it so show I don't have a mind set, i'm willing to try something else if there is any gain to it, if not I'll set what bullets are left at the back of the shelf alongside other bullets that didn't perform.
Now I'm just saying so no one get all bent out of shape,
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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 07, 2026, 09:20 AM:
That’s great Tim, sounds like you’ve got it all figured out.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 07, 2026, 09:48 AM:
No one gets bent out of shape, Mr Contrarian!
I should mention, although it’s pretty basic; that the very first thing I look for in a hunting bullet is accuracy. Otherwise, I might use a FMJ. I also do not ascribe to the notion that the bullet blows up inside the critter.
Another thing we deal with out west is wind. My 65 grain bullets hold in the wind a lot better than a 52HP.
LB 🐝
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on June 07, 2026, 10:46 AM:
I am not sure if any of you watch Texas Plinking, but it is on you tube the first Sunday of every month. A one moa and a half moa target at 1000 yards. It is a point system which requires a hit on the one moa before moving to the half moa. A maximum of 10 shots. Shooters come from all over the US to try their luck and there are some damn good shooters who show up. Only five shooters per show and they shoot one at a time. No spotting by bystanders. The shooter is on his own. It is very entertaining. Oh, I almost forgot, a 22 Creedmore won it today.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 07, 2026, 01:55 PM:
Little tid bit on bullets.
52 gr. Hornady A-max its been around a while. many of internet experts say its same bullet as the new 52 gr. ELD and Hornady just changed name as market hype.
well let's take a look as I have both bullets on hand. side by side you can clearly see the different but I decided to measure them for more exacts.
I'm using a stoney point bullet gauge you use to measure bullet seating depth.
52 gr. A-max from base of bullet to Ogive is 1.390 with overall length of bullet from base to tip .791
52 gr. ELD base to Ogive 1.400 with bullet length of .805
Both bullets use a heavier jacket just like the Sierra 52 gr. H.P. just B.C. little better with the Hornady's but like said out to 400 it don't matter much. But also its there if you need it.
I don't have much time for range work till I get the new rifle back and then I'll set up a target at 400 and 500 yards and we see how everyone does including a 60 gr., all just for shits and giggles.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 07, 2026, 01:57 PM:
thanks for info Randy, but come to think of it, its probably all creeds or PRC cartridges shooting the comp..
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 07, 2026, 04:24 PM:
Yes, thanks for the contribution Randy. I don’t know why an honest man would jump on the 22 Creedmore bandwagon? There are any number of cartridges that would be capable of winning that game. Why people ascribe magic to certain cartridges, I do not know. But I think there is a long list of possibilities and it’s just a crapshoot. The idea that there is something special about the name Creedmore is just baloney. A Thousand yard target shooting contest is a gimmick. What’s the application? Is it a real world coyote hunting application? Is that the message for all the young and impressionable Nimrods out there? Use a “CREEDMORE” for your coyote hunting because all the cool kids won some 1,000 yard shooting contest.
I just think a lot of this tinkering with case design is a version of BUILD A BETTER MOUSETRAP and the world will beat down your door, and you will get rich selling 22 Creedmore rifles! Personally, I am a contrary asshole as it is, and I am sick to death of all the stupid HYPE about all things Creedmore! If there is a BUZZ WORD in the specialized shooting community that deserves popularity and recognition, you could just as easily vote for ACKLEY IMPROVED! I’m just sick and tired of this twaddle about CREEDMORE! It’s just the Hoolahoop fad of the shooting community. You would think gun people would be immune to all of this deliberate hype. Trust me there is no magic in the case or the name. People are just gulible!
Please put me down as not convinced!
LB 🐝
edit: TA up there just made an astute observation! It’s like 220 Russian wins all kinds of Benchrest shoots….because 3/4th of the contestants are using the 220 Russian. So, I have to wonder how many of the entrants in that 1,000 yard match described above were using a 22 Creedmore, or anything with the Creedmore name, 6mm or 6.5?
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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 07, 2026, 05:19 PM:
I figure there are a bunch of them as two cases I mentioned are very popular these days. I think many just looking for a reason to just get out and shoot.
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on June 07, 2026, 07:28 PM:
Cartridges range from .223 all the way to 50 bmg.
Some of the rifles are super custom and others are vintage WW2 sniper rifles types. Some handload, others do not. Some dial for wind and others hold.
It is a very interesting and entertaining show.
As far as shooting at a 1000 yards, sometimes you chase buffalo just for the fun of it.. pea eye.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2026, 05:49 PM:
Yeah, OK, Randy.
Taken in that context, yes just have a little fun, crack a beer afterwards. But, does a free for all contest with participants ranging from 22’s to 50BMG indicates if just a bunch of guys having fun. What are the odds that the winner of the event was shooting a Creedmore?
Well, seems like it doesn’t mean much, as far as Lessons learned. Maybe next week, change it to 2,000 yards and maybe a 50BMG would win? Not really. That cartridge isn’t known for guilt edge accuracy. Maybe a Lapua would have an edge at that distance?
Anyway, I’m not very interested in long range shooting. Practical, ethical ranges at game or predators. A coyote deserves a little dignity. That’s why I personally believe that it’s important to recover your animals rather than just leave them in the field. I hunted with a guy, good reputation, killed a lot of animals knew his shit. I didn’t doubt it, but he didn’t know anything about night hunting. He wanted to hunt with a full moon and I thought he understood that it wouldn’t be an all out effort, but he didn’t. I almost always hunt with a new moon, it’s just the odds are in your favor because the animals can’t see you , or not nearly as well as with moonlight.
Anyway, we made a day stand. It was in Nevada. He walked away from me way to my right. I heard to shot and a little later, we met at my truck. I wondered where the animal was and he was a little confused, said he just left it, didn’t even walk out to pick it up, much less bring it back to the truck, which for me, that’s expected. It’s a courtesy to at least go pick them up, not leave them lay. It’s kind of a respect fr the animal. I don’t think very highly of that attitude. I guess he figured, well, it’s not a contest and not pulling the fur so? Anyway, I don’t know, but I think a coyote deserves a little respect. Don’t just leave ‘em lay.
LB 🐝
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