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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 06, 2025, 09:32 AM:
In the news it looks like the ATF tax for suppressors will disappear shortly. Will be able to go to local Scheels soon and just fill out normal paperwork along with fingerprints and then pick out your suppressor and take it home in same day. Glad i waited. LOL
Also in the news Minnesota will illuminate its deer hunting slug zone which is about half of the state and hunters will be allowed to use centerfire rifles instead.
There is also going to be a big rise in gun sales as not a lot of hunters in southern part of the state own a centerfire rifle other than the few that hunt fox and coyotes.
Don't know about other parts of the country but we are living the good life here.
Hardly any snow in last 3 winters so the coyote numbers are up due to fewer trappers and group hunters knocking the numbers down. Yeah in these parts group hunting can knock the coyote numbers down to almost nothing and they kill more coyotes than weekend callers.
This time of year the pups are out and about with mom and pops now bedding up away from the pups and pups are out hunting mostly on their own with mom and dad still hanging around the fridges and will come running if pups have any issues. At times they still get together and hunt but mom pretty tired of the pups by now. Coyotes here seem to keep close family ties all year with some moving on down the road to next good place to set up shop and some just stay close by.
Plenty of food around so no need to run the family off and in late winter will still have large numbers answer to call together.
Average of five at one time with the most being 8 or 9 coming into a call in some areas. Anytime you have more than five the extras are just from litter from year before. Coyotes love the corn fields and will somewhat scatter but once corn comes out the coyotes will be loosely packed up again, happens every year.
Here its pretty easy to find areas that coyotes like to be in but not all areas will have coyotes due to hunting pressure from other seasons going on. Some sections just get too much human traffic, and the coyotes tend to be just like the deer and move into a area that see's less human traffic. They may go back into these areas at night to feed or just ignore them completely depending on what they experienced. We have vast areas set aside for hunting but privately owned and some locations may only see one or two deer hunters only on the week end and the hunter may not be into pheasant hunting or only hunts a few days out of the year so not much pressure on the coyotes.
So, it helps to know who hunts and how often on their land and also have understanding of how they hunted their land. Many deer hunters sit in tree stands these days so not much pressure on any coyotes there. The areas that have bird hunters will put more pressure on coyotes but many learn to lay up on far end of the grass or close to where hunters walk in or just lay up along fence line during day and then go into grass to feed at night. Many deer hunters now put out trail cameras, so it doesn't hurt to stop and pick their brain little and ask if they are seeing any coyotes on the camera. Also, the smart deer hunters will not shoot at a daytime coyote passing through because it will screw up their hunt as whitetail deer catch on pretty quick to gun fire coming from a area and will lay up till dark or move less.
Calling coyotes or hunting them is like a game of chess, not checkers. You need to plan your moves way before you even go out and set up a stand and then also be ready for anything that can go wrong, always have a back up plan.
Example I set up one night and had 3 coyotes half mile away from my stand they did not want to commit for some reason (not hungry. LMAO) They kept walking parrel to my location heading north so i just watched them till they was over a hill.
I packed up and then made my way around this two mile section and stopped on a high spot on gravel road and then got out and scanned with my thermal and spotted the coyotes about 3/4 miles away by vacant grove but loafing on the road. I waited and they soon went into the grove and then i started walking down the road to close the distance and then set up when i thought i was in good spot.
I started calling with same sounds I used before on previous stand and in just a minute or two here they came, all 3 running down the road ditch or edge of field headed right for me. I sat and waited with finger on the trigger and took the closest coyote as they came. Other two turned and ran off back into section, maybe should of done a mag. dump and maybe get a second, fuck that idea!
I was using my Lucky Duck caller at time and not going to argue about it but its not as good as my WT when calling at 1/2 mile or farther coyotes, I just don't get same reactions as I do with my WT, but I'm aware of it and prepared for it.
Been watching some stupid thermal vid.s of guys useing F-P with the new and greatest sounds from MFK boys. Lots of hero pictures of guys just calling in one coyote and killing it, or multiples but still just getting one coyote, why is that if they using the greatest sounds produced today. Why are their coyotes hanging up so far out at night so they have to take a long shot or even mag. dump on them. Sure, the sounds are calling the coyotes up but they not calling many of them in.
MFK records what they call uncaged coyotes and claim they wild but if the guys wife is sitting on the ground and petting them are they still wild. MFK also did a vid. on recorded sounds using his verses sounds recorded from caged coyotes on his so-called wild coyotes and yes the coyotes can tell the difference to a point from the two. Thats about only good info I gleaned off of that but its been known for years that wild coyotes recorded sound different that caged coyotes.
One night I was out locating with Randy R. we had a bunch of coyotes howling back and Randy would point out the difference in how some of them howled. We had one coyote that sort of stuttered/nervous/shy/unsure of itself that howled. Randy could only guess thinking the coyote was afraid of the other coyotes in area, maybe got its ass kicked a few times or what have you but it was some what unsure of itself or what was there, not sure how to put it into words other than it was different. Randy also pointed out that was a sound he wishes he had recorded on a caller. A coyote showing fear in by how it howled. Thats the thing about caged coyotes or pet coyotes you don't have that little bit of fear in recorded howls. Guess you could compare it to tone of a humans voice under different situations.
Yeah, on same note everyone one plays certain sounds and has a few coyotes charge into caller, but they also have coyotes that don't, and they are the ones that interest me the most.
You take a bird dog out and fire your gun a pheasant drops to ground and that dog is on flat out run for that dead bird all day long every year it dont change. I put my running walkers out into a field and they jump a coyote and the dogs run it all day long or till they are catching it, every day every year. what they both have in common is drive to get their prey. A good sound needs to click in a coyotes head as well to bring that drive out of them, too want that rabbit or to check out another coyote, it shouldn't be a off and on thing.
Only been around decoy dogs a few times but they do seem to get a coyote fired up I wonder if decoy dogs bark much and if so maybe that's something that needs to be recorded and played on a stand. WT has many aggressive coyote vocals but not sure maybe they too aggressive with some coyotes and a dog barking would be better. Not sure.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 06, 2025, 09:46 AM:
I heard something about the suppressor tax being dropped and at the same time some pro-gun group is suing over it ????
What's with that ???
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 06, 2025, 07:57 PM:
I haven’t seen any decoy dogs doing any barking.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 07, 2025, 06:46 AM:
Just the sight of a dog will drive a coyote nuts, especially during denning. At that point they don’t seem to care about the human, they are laser focused on that dog. It is very interesting to watch.
Of course, MY dog just wanted a piece of those three coyotes. She thought she could beat the crap out of all of them, and ruined my stand. So, I left her in the truck, next stand and she managed to lock herself in the cab by pushing the button down with the keys in the ignition! After the stand, if I had not found a discarded piece of baling wire, I’d probably still be there! And, she helped me while I carefully tried to lift the button, by excitedly interfering with my desperate actions. After that, I lost all interest in dogs on a calling stand. But I have watched others do it quite successfully.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 07, 2025, 06:51 PM:
I was just wondering about the sound of dog barking on stand but I guess TT beat me to it and came out with some sounds years ago.
But still thinking along lines of a smaller dog barking compared to what TT used. Gives coyotes another thing to look for perhaps and also get them wound up maybe. I have recording of other coyotes bark but thought maybe bark of a dog be better choice.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 08, 2025, 08:15 AM:
You saying that TT is still around? I haven’t heard of him in years?
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 08, 2025, 09:41 AM:
I could see where a barking / yapping dog sound near a spring-time den would give a coyote the hots but the rest of the year ???? ................ I dunno ??? Maybe so ... maybe no.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 08, 2025, 10:43 AM:
Yes Leonard I believe he is still around, no one has killed him yet. He is still selling his own recorded sounds but that's about all i know, don't really care anyway. He still has a small fallowing and a few still use his sounds or at least have them on their F-P.
Koko a dog is a threat to a coyote year-round not time specific. Kind of boils down to what the coyote will put up with or not. A friend uses his bird dog up in northern Mn. during winter but more as a site attractor and its a hit or miss using one up here.
I have a pair of coyotes that are close to my farm where I keep my kennel and they show up at least once a week to aggravate the dogs. Not sure if they are looking for a fight or curious or just want to play the chase game as my dogs have run them around countryside before.
On another note I have been talking to few other guys from old days that still do a little bit of calling yet and some have switched to lucky Duck caller that has the rotate feature. As most know here I always set my caller next to me and rotate it to get the sound out there in all directions, old Vic got a laugh out of it even. Well i found from others it does have some merit and does what it supposed to do and that is to bring in more coyotes per stands made and to also give you some control of how you want a coyote to approach your stand. Its not a silver bullet but does work well enough that it needs to be done on every stand if you want to put coyote in front of the gun.
Another thing was brought up about why some coyotes go down wind and some dont. For one it may have to do with what direction caller is facing and how the land is laid out. Example say you calling flat ground but have a shallow water way that runs from left to right, the sound hits that waterway and then bounces or travels in direction of the water way thus pulling the coyote in that direction. I seen this many times at night on new stand locations a coyote will follow the water way going left or right and then when it reaches the end of it, it then pops out into open and on some stands right into my scent cone. Either I change my location next time i come in or set someone up at end of the water way. I been putting my Nephew in that position and works well.
In another location I have water way that goes through the mile section north to south and the coyotes traveled all the way to the road, stopped and then thought WTF and went back into the section following water way again and never coming straight into the sound and after little time they just gave up and went back in direction from where they came so then I would have to get up ahead of them in another section and try calling them back again. Keep in mind this is one of the things I see when I use my L.D. caller and coyote is in middle of section. My WT is much louder and i see less confusion when calling in sections with drainages or shallow water ways or tree lines. Just little food for thought.
Edit to add: When i called the Dakotas I always set up at end of a drainage or side hill and called down into it, coyotes came in on a string. Difference here is I been calling across fields with shallow water ways due to how wind is blowing and now believe like others the sound is traveling up or down the water way and confusing a coyote. perhaps lack of volume is contributing to this as well.
[ July 08, 2025, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 08, 2025, 06:08 PM:
Okay. Water is seldom a factor almost everywhere in the west. Calling around a dirt tank is a waste of time.
Thanks for the info in TT. But, I don’t know him and don’t give a shit what he’s up to. From what I heard, years ago, he doesn’t sound like an honorable gentleman, so I could care less.
As for calling in 360 degrees. Nothing new about that concept; and I was doing that shit when you were still in grade school. Only, we used a Circe, and just turned 180 degrees and projected the sound away from original calling direction. Depends on wind direction, too. Anyway, it doesn’t take an Einstein to figure out calling direction, and how it applies.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on July 09, 2025, 06:21 PM:
Ok I got you to fess up on that. But why call down wind?
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