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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 14, 2016, 02:38 PM:
Does anyone know the real deal with this?
http://www.cnbc.com/2014/12/05/remington-to-replace-millions-of-model-700-rifle-triggers.html
I have three Model 700's. The triggers seem fine and I never had them replaced. There seems to be some contradictory statements here, like the guns not being properly maintained, possible fingers on the trigger, etc.
Just wondering if I need to bother sending the rifles back...
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2016, 07:30 AM:
Look, I have no actual knowledge, but I seem to recall that they asked if your trigger was smooth or had grooves? Mine were not affected so I ignored. Unless this is a new recall?
A Remington 700 is one of the world's premiere rifles, in my book. I have always found their triggers very easy to work on.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS now, I guess I will look at the link, maybe I'm mistaken?
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 15, 2016, 10:22 AM:
I don't think that link is too helpful, Leonard.
My three guns have the grooved triggers. Not sure what that means but I will research it some more.
Thank you.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 15, 2016, 11:36 AM:
Nick, CLICK HERE
Enter your serial #s and see if your rifles are in question. This is old news, Remington switched to a more 'lawyer proof' version of the X-Mark trigger. And I think they cleaned up some of the gunk they add to keep guys from fucking with the sear engagement adjustment screw...
IF your rifles are subject to the recall, I'd sooner purchase an aftermarket trigger than send them back to Remmy!
For $100-150, you could get a Timney, Rifle Basix, or Trigger Tech to drop in there. I'd rather pay that, than deal with shipping to/fro, and waiting in between...
Good luck!
[ March 15, 2016, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2016, 11:50 AM:
That first article is hugely misleading. All that bullshit about 1946 and the guy that designed the trigger and apparently, this recall involves a much newer model?
Seems like I remember one of those firearms rules, something about never pointing a gun at something you do not intend to shoot? That would solve the problem of a mother shooting her son in the stomach, (more or less), I would think?
I think you no longer need to study journalism or be an english major anymore, in college? Just enroll in a course titled; "communication 101". Whoever wrote that first article deserves to be fired.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS only two more days 'til corned beef and cabbage! And, maybe a Shamrock Shake?
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on March 15, 2016, 12:48 PM:
LB,
The recall is on versions of the newer X-Mark trigger as Fred indicates.
I am with him...My .204 M-700 VTR is in the recall, and I am tossing around the idea of just getting a new trigger.
As I side note, I visited with an attorney for Remington about 30 days ago.
He got my name off of a website indicating I was an officer in the Kansas Hunter Ed Instructor's Association. Apparently, one of our Kansas instructors is working with Remington as a consultant, and he had to verify that this guy was indeed an instructor as some point.
I talked with him for about 15 minutes on the class action lawsuit that was brought by the family of a young man that supposedly got killed by a M700 going off when the bolt was closed.
He reiterated that they have never been able to replicate the supposed accident.
Was an interesting conversation.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2016, 01:52 PM:
I really don't have a concern, as I said above, as long as you don't point your rifle at your son's belly when you are working with the action, I don't think you will kill anybody?
But, I was sitting on stand with Rich Higgins and Gerald Stewart one time, and had a Model 700 LSSV, (I think it's called?) and was doing "something" with it and it went off. Gerald looked my way, I shrugged, and nobody mentioned it. But, yeah, it was an accidental discharge, happened when I didn't pull the trigger, but I might have fiddled with the safety? Don't remember what I did, but yes, it startled me. Of course, I keep my trigger dialed down below what they recommend, something like 1 1/2 pounds or so? But, I test it about a hundred times before I consider it safe. Slam the bolt, slam the butt on the hard ground, slap it, generally subject it to pretty substantial abuse before I trust it. And yet, it went off that one time, unexpectedly?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 15, 2016, 02:27 PM:
I've had my .22-250 M700 accidentally go off twice. I've had the gun for 30+ years and have shot more than a few thousand rounds through it. The first time I had it happen was in the early 1990's. Got out of the pickup, opened the bolt fed one out of the magazine closed the bolt and BANG. Scared the shit out of me to say the least. My Brother just looked at me like what the hell are you doing.
Next time was about 5 or 6 years later. I hadn't put one in the barrel on the walk from the truck to our first stand, when I sat down I slid the bolt open slowly to keep quite and brought a round forward into the barrel and when I closed the bolt again,BANG.....
Well I went home and had a friend of my Dad's that worked for Remington in the 50's and 60's take look at it. He said it was gummed up with a little bit of Hoppes. He cleaned it really well and worked on my safety.
Mine was the old style that you had to take the safety off to open the bolt. He worked on it so I could put the safety on while lifting the bolt. Haven't had a problem since. That was probably 20 years ago It is now my .22-250 Ackley Improved. I just keep it clean.......
Good Hunting Chad
[ March 22, 2016, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 16, 2016, 12:44 PM:
Interesting information.
Thanks Fred. I am thinking there were two different recalls? One with the Xmark trigger and one prior?
UTcaller's experience sounds like the earlier possible issue.
Dunno now...
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 16, 2016, 12:48 PM:
Here is some more information from Remington:
Looks like the recall involves Xmark triggers or any trigger designed by Walker that has a trigger connector:
http://remingtonfirearmsclassactionsettlement.com/
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on March 20, 2016, 08:10 PM:
I've owned several 700's and a 722 and have never had a problem with the triggers. My understanding is that it was primarily the military and police making the complaints along with individuals that tried adjusting the trigger beyond what is safe. At least that is what Remington claimed.
I have a 700 in the 7mm Rem Mag cartridge that I bought back in 1974 for hunting in Alaska. The trigger was very adjustable and it still shoots great. Right now I have 2 700's. A 700 VLS 22-250 that I regret buying because it's a heavy gun. Shoots great, tho, and a 700 Classic that I found at a gun show. It was brand new but in an unpopular caliber that they couldn't sell so I got it a wholesale price and converted it to 220 Swift. The triggers were lousy so I put a Jewell trigger in each of them.
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 21, 2016, 04:41 PM:
Thanks Moe.
I am thinking about swapping out the triggers as suggested.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 21, 2016, 05:42 PM:
On the older triggers that Chad is talking about, there is a longer piece of the safety that blocks the bolt. Just cut that portion off and the bolt can be operated with the safety on.
My dad had his 25-06 go off when he took off the safety to unload. Like Chad's his was all gummed up and needed cleaning. Those were the best triggers Remington made until you got to the 40X triggers.
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on March 21, 2016, 07:42 PM:
I erred.....I currently own 3 700's including the &mm Rem Mag that I bought in Juneau back in 1974. It has killed Sitka Blacktail Deer, Caribou. Mountain Goats, Whitetail Deer and and a couple of Ptarmigans that stood still long enough for me to shoot off their heads.
There was a TV special about the 700 trigger fiasco. I saw it about 3 months ago for the second time.
Sako is my favorite rifle but the 700 is nothing to sneeze at. My Rem 722 in 222 was one of the most accurate rifles I've ever owned and it harvested a bunch of coyotes and bobcats back in the 60's before a "friend" stole it.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 21, 2016, 08:13 PM:
Yeah I love my 700. And like I said after it was cleaned really well I have not had one problem in 20 years with it firing accidentally.
Good Hunting Chad
[ March 21, 2016, 08:14 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on March 21, 2016, 08:21 PM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjmOSAZDpfU
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 22, 2016, 03:52 PM:
Thanks for the link Moe.
Tom, I have the "grooved" trigger on my ADL. However, I can operate the bolt with the safety on.
Not sure what this means, or which trigger I actually have in this gun.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 22, 2016, 04:03 PM:
Seems like the models starting in the late 80's were able to open the bolt with saftey on. My 700 is a late 70's model that wouldn't open with the safety on. Have since had it worked on and it now opens with the safety on.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 22, 2016, 04:29 PM:
Thank you Chad.
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