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Posted by sporterweight (Member # 189) on September 06, 2005, 08:22 PM:
Howdy Guys,
I have a rem.700 bdl sporterweight that i bought second hand in 1989,like new in the box.I wasn't very gun savvy then,and of coarse still green behind the ears.
This is the worst gun i've ever owned,barrel hits right side of stock> hard,safety leaves lasting indention in thumb,trigger "was"about 15#.
I replaced the stock with an HS Precision stock.
Adjusted the trigger nicely.Now i'm ready to rebarrel the gun and wanted some opinions.
My intentions are to use the gun as my longrange[400yd] coyote calling/stalking gun.At first i started thinking of making it a fast twist barrel gun and shooting vld bullets .After alot of thought it seemed like it wouldn't be like a 22-250 anymore,i want to stick with 55 to low 60gr. bullets.Also plan on it being Ackley Improved.
The gun has a 1-14 twist from remington,when i did some research from some of the top barrel makers they stated that if you run the bullets really fast a 1-14 twist would be good with 55gr bullets.I'm not sure here.
Also what is your opinion on barrel makes and materials,would you buy a shilen,broughton> benchrest type barrel for the use's i've stated?
Lastly ,what level of gunsmith would you use?I want the gun to shoot great but i won't be shooting it in competition,so if you could tell me how and such you'd go about it will help me alot in my decisions.
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MIKE
Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on September 06, 2005, 09:14 PM:
As long as you will not be shooting beyond 400 yards or when the wind is blowing, a 14" twist shooting the 55 bullets should do the job for you.
The difference between a good quality custom barrel and the best is only 100-150 and when you look at the total cost, that is not much difference.
Jack
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 06, 2005, 09:25 PM:
I am able to stabilize 65 grain bullets with a 1-14" twist in my 22-250 Ackley.
A lot to choose from in barrel makers, everybody has their favorite. I think there is something to be said for a three groove barrel.
This cartridge really needs a long barrel to perform up to it's potential.
Be sure to try H414 with the heavier bullets.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on September 07, 2005, 05:50 AM:
Agree with Jack and Leonard. For your stated purposes, a 14 twist will be fine. You MIGHT want to consider a 12, just to allow more wiggle room, and especially considering that you're near sea level (I assume?). But, really, a 14 ought to do you.
Definitely, get a top drawer barrel. Like Jack said, they aren't that much more in the grand scheme.
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 07, 2005, 10:02 AM:
I also agree with Dave. If you favor the heavy bullets, you can go to a 1-12 twist and it should work fine; maybe you are eliminating the ultralight bullets, but that is okay since a standard 22-250 Remington drives them as fast as they should be driven anyway? One thing's certain, the 22-250 AI is a worthy project, very good choice.
Good luck, LB
Posted by sporterweight (Member # 189) on September 07, 2005, 04:11 PM:
My thoughts were to use a 1-12 twist but after reading on Shilen's site about way fast velocities. I worried the 1-12 would over stabilize the 55gr. bullets and the accuracy might go to pot.One way to find out!!
Actually Jack i do want to shoot past 400yd.so i guess the 1-12 will allow a little more distance.
I want to give the match&middle weight vld bullets a whirl ,but keeping my fingers crossed on the full throttle 55's.
Leonard by the way the gun will be 26" barrel,i thought about 27-28 but thought 26 would already be long for a calling gun.
ME
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 07, 2005, 05:35 PM:
I would not worry about loss of accuracy if you spin the lite bullets too fast, it is more likely that some(?) of them would not hold together.
You are going to have to decide what you want to do. You will lose something, depending on which way you go, either light bullets, mostly mid range, or the long VLDs. The problem is that the 70-75 grain long range bullets are poor hunting bullets, for the most part.
Find something that works, and stick with it. In my case, my rifle's natural range of bullet weight/bearing surface length is 62-65 grain, and it does exactly what I want done.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by sporterweight (Member # 189) on September 08, 2005, 02:58 PM:
I don't have any intentions of shooting anything less than a 55 gr. bullets.I want to give the 65 gr. sierra gameking a whirl for coyotes.
Going to mail her off soon for a top notch stainless 1-12 >3 groove.
I'm going to get it parkerized?teflon'd? something>> with the hs precision stock,zeiss scope,burris signature rings,it should be fine little rifle.Thank you all for your imput!!ME
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 08, 2005, 05:07 PM:
I wouldn't pay for teflon or any other parkerizing process.
Ask the gunsmith to give the barrel a vibratory sander cross-hatch finish while chucked up in the lathe. Bead blasting is good too, but shows marks if you scrape it against something.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by sporterweight (Member # 189) on September 08, 2005, 08:37 PM:
Thanks Leonard,
I didn't realize those process's were that spendy,did a little more research this evening.
I'm not one to worry too much about the looks of a hunting gun,it'll probably get a piece of camo tape on the barrel.
Would you have the action squared? The only thing left in my mind now is how far do i want to go with the gunsmithing.Like i said i want the gun to shoot great but does that require benchrest level gunsmithing?I looked at Mike Bryant that DAA speaks highly of and Greg Tannel's sites i'm sure their first class guys.
Anyway i just kind of had it in my mind to spend around $500 and if i'm correct in all my reading i'm dancing around $750.Just don't want to put $10,000 motor in a $1,000 car kind of thing.Thanks for all the help..ME
Posted by sparkyibewlocal440 (Member # 397) on September 08, 2005, 09:30 PM:
Sporterweight,
Just received my Rem.700 chambered in .22-243 Middlested from Greg Tannel a couple weeks ago.Had the works done to it,It's awesome.You'll have to wait between 6-9 months for it and expect to pay some good money too.Nothing like a custom built rig as per your specs.I've set it up with a 14 twist, using 55 grain Ballistic Tips.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on September 09, 2005, 05:45 AM:
Whoever you choose, you can simply have the barrel fit, chambered and crowned. You don't have to get the action trued. I always do, but that's just me. Greg T. did my most recent project too, and I'm extremely pleased with it.
But, for a coyote hunting rifle, you really don't NEED that level of precision. I just LIKE having it.
You might consider someone like Ray Montgomery in Grand Junction. He does solid work, at very reasonable prices (too cheap for his own good). Pretty fast turn around too. I've got a rifle he did, and have met him and had dinner with him, great guy who I have no hesitation to reccommend.
- DAA
Posted by sporterweight (Member # 189) on September 10, 2005, 08:55 PM:
Guys i guess i'm a little wishy -washy,i called up a gunsmith Mickey Coleman in Greenville,Alabama on saturday.Also did some more search/research on twist,what size neck,3 groove,4 groove >>you get the picture.Well i think now--- i'm going to stick with a standard 22-250.Just a plain jane 1-12- 26" stainless xx grade douglas,and have the action trued.I just want it to feed smoothly and kill yon' coyote.
My main reasoning behind it is i want to build a dedicated colony varmint rifle>20 ppc.100 short<,and intend to put money towards that.
Also Mickeys turn around time is 90-100 days.>ME
Spark--That's one hot mama you had built,you should introduce it over at coyotegods!!ME
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