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Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on March 07, 2005, 07:19 PM:
Did you get to weld a coyote with the 68 grn Bergers yet?
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on March 07, 2005, 08:04 PM:
I went out Saturday morning and got stopped 6 times in two hours by the Border Patrol. Finally said the hell with it and went home. But I did try them out on a Jack Rabbit at 180 yards. Not a real friendly rabbit round ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Sunday morning it was pouring down rain with some serious wind. So I crawled back in bed and got my hands slapped.
The boy has started driving my truck to school, and he doesn't get home from practice until dark, so I can't even go calling after work now. But I should be back in business by the weekend!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 07, 2005, 08:06 PM:
AAGH
Okay, I can't hold back. Cal, what velocity are you running with that bullet?
I don't know if I ever told you, but I used to have a 6mm Remington. I went through several different loads, don't remember the powders (normal stuff) but I do remember the two semifinalists in bullets. The 80 grain Berger and the 68 grain Berger, both the target HP, the MEF wasn't offered, at the time, which was the early 90's.
Anyway, the 68 was the winner, based strictly on accuracy and I thern sallied forth for a weekend hunt. I personally lost ten coyotes that weekend; they all fell down and jumped up and ran off, some minus body parts. Almost all were facing chest shots. Damnest thing I have ever witnessed, all shots were well within 100 yards. Didn't recover a single coyote, and couldn't switch guns, or loads, it was all I had!
I have complained about that performance on many occasions, and I admit it was probably close to fifteen years ago. Maybe I was driving them too fast? Maybe they have changed jacket material? Maybe I was just unlucky?
I don't know? But, I am very surprised to hear that you are using that bullet, like it and recommend it. BTW, don't ask me about the velocity, I probably have it written down somewhere, but where? I record loads on targets, in various manuals, inside box lids, and, in a lot of cases; on the wall in my shop...which looks like pencil scribbled wallpaper.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for you. But, I'm sure you know how I must feel, at this point? Weird, huh?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on March 08, 2005, 06:51 AM:
Leonard, I'm sure the difference is in the MEF, which stands for maximum expansion factor. One is a benchrest bullet (the one you shot) and one is a varmint bullet designed to expand. I shoot them at 3650 fps out of a 26" barreled .243. I have been totally impressed, and I may have related this story already, but I went to Nationals one year with the neighboring Govt. trapper and after I had shot 2 or 3 coyotes he couldn't stand it and asked what in the #%&$ I was shooting. He had never seen coyotes die so fast. He also has never shot any other bullets since. Between the two of us in the last 3 or 4 years we have shot several hundred coyotes in various 6mm chamberings with that bullet and the 70's. They both work. The 65's are a little light and may splash on a joint a little more. I have shot several coyotes right on the point of the shoulder and all died without taking a step. I'm not leading you astray. You really should try the MEF's. The only other bullet that I really like is the 70 grn Sierra HPBT match, but I like the Berger better. And they shoot like a house afire. They aren't a fur bullet, but I have skinned alot of those coyotes and most are salvagable. Occasionally they aren't. In the summer for denning I don't care. Also I shoot the flat base and like it better than the boat tails. They hold together a bit better. As for the 6mm, the other trapper I was talking about shoots them in both his 6mm and his 6mm Ackley.
[ March 08, 2005, 06:54 AM: Message edited by: Cal Taylor ]
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on March 12, 2005, 07:40 AM:
Bang Flop
Bang Flop
Bang Poof
( the last one was a rabbit )
How's that sound?
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on March 13, 2005, 08:02 AM:
That last one was funny Tim,
I'm just glad someone else can see the effectiveness so that Leonard can finally figure out that I'm not trying to blow smoke up his Dr. Phil.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 13, 2005, 11:00 AM:
Don't misunderstand me, Cal.
It's not that I don't believe you, I'm just marveling at the difference. I know that one bullet, shot at a certain velocity, at a certain distance, from a certain rate of twist will behave differently than another set of circumstances. I'm pointing out the wide variation.
It's always nice to see differing data. You always need to try a specific gun and load for yourself. Sometimes it works as advertised, and sometimes it don't.
Dr Phil? Who's that?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on March 13, 2005, 01:14 PM:
I truly believe that the MEF makes it a completely different bullet. They aren't the same as the ones you tried Leonard.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on March 13, 2005, 07:57 PM:
I'd have like to have tried them out a little more. But I think I'm going to be done hunting for a few weeks.
I came home Saturday a little early to do a couple of "Honey-do's" One of which was to take the wife to the store, and also into Mexico for a little produce shopping and "Just a quick look at the tile store"
The "quick look" ended up costing me almost $1,200 and my back porch in now loaded down with enough tile to redo most of the house.
But I did get my check From NAFA the other day. I averaged $18.50 on my coyotes. Now I'm wishing I'd skinned more of them. I've one more bag to ship, I hope the price holds.
Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on March 13, 2005, 10:19 PM:
If it works for you fine, but no way am I going to skin, flesh, stretch, age, and haul to market a coyote for $18.50.
Jack
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on March 14, 2005, 07:17 PM:
$10 is about my threshold price. If I don't think I can get at least $10 out of a coyote, I'm not going to drag him back to the truck, let alone skin him.
I have been getting a little pickier the last few years with what I skin. I still don't have a fur shed built. I mostly skin off of Windmills.
I've sold a number of coyotes in the past in the $40-50 range, and as much as I love selling them, I've sold a lot more than I'd care to admit for only $1-2.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on March 14, 2005, 10:41 PM:
a labor of love...Way to go Tim!!!!! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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