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Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on April 05, 2003, 01:10 AM:
This season my partner and I started using our shotguns a lot more. I decided to up-grade to a 3 ½ inch chamber. I found a Remington 870 Special Purpose designed for turkey hunting. I have been shooting Federal Premium tungsten-iron BB. The gun came with an extra full choke, but I had to borrow my modified choke from my other 870 to accommodate the shot. I’m not too interested in getting into reloading for my shotgun but would like to find a lead load so I could use my extra full choke. At least so I can compare it to what I am currently using. The 3 ½ inch turkey loads available only go up to #4. I feel #4 would not be my best choice for coyotes. The next size shot available in 3 ½ inch lead that I have found is 4 buck. I always get nervous when I think of a mass of large shot accelerating to a restriction. Please forgive my ignorance. I have never really paid too much attention to shot gun loads. Do I dare force 4 Buck through an extra full choke?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 05, 2003, 04:03 AM:
Don't know the answer. It makes a difference, we agree on that part. It seems to me that the advantage in the 3½" chamber is for using a larger volume of steel shot. If you are using over 2 ounces of #4 buck, although it will fit in the shell, that may be ill advised?
Also, I use a Mossberg 835 UltiMag 3½, but it is backbored, and that helps(?) position the charge, before the choke. I also worry about using non recommended chokes, but get the impression that it is more important when using steel, rather than lead. Regardless, I'm too chicken to experiment with things I don't know about.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on April 05, 2003, 10:59 PM:
Maybe I should save my extra full choke for pheasant hunting, and then I won’t have to work so hard to keep my German Shorthair as close. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on April 06, 2003, 03:51 AM:
I have spent the last three years doing a lot of shotgun testing. I am lucky to have a large selection of chokes and shells to work with.
Keep that buckshot out of that extra full choke.
After a lot of testing. I came up with a combination. That can only be described as gruesome.
Gun. Mossberg 835 Ultimag.
Shells. 3".
Choke. Mad Max Marshmaster.
Load. Heavy shot 7 1/2
Goose. Measured 82 yards
Results. Neck and both wings broken. 13 pellets in chest.
Choke. Mad Max Marsh Master
Load. Heavy Shot # 4.
Coyote. 62 yards.
Results. Two pellets penetrated to brain. Four in chest cavity.
Choke. Mad Max Marsh Master
Load. Heavy Shot # 2
Coyote. 25 yards. Aimed at head.
Results. Could not be identified by nearest relative.( This load should not be used by the squeamish type).
Choke. Mad Max Marsh Master
Load. # 2 Heavy shot.
16"x 24" paper at 50 yards. Shot from rest.
Results. 46 pellets in paper.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2003, 09:23 AM:
Ronnie, what's the ID of that choke you are using?
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on April 06, 2003, 01:14 PM:
Leonard, It tapers from .785" to .755". What makes this choke so effective, Is it's design. It holds the wad up so the shot passes trough the choke without the wad.
I know that some of what I posted will be strongly doubted. I spent many days, With a lot of support from several factories to come up with the results. They are not biased. Because I was looking for the most effective goose and coyote load I could find. I did not care what brands it lead me to. With the dismal failure of steel shot on water fowl. Many people were interested in my results. It was a great surprise to me, That the best goose / coyote shot and choke combination turned out to be the same.
[ April 06, 2003, 04:47 PM: Message edited by: varmit hunter ]
Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on April 06, 2003, 01:18 PM:
Varmit hunter. Your post motivated me to go play. The results indicate that I need to play a lot more.
Choke. Remington Modified.
Load. BB Tungsten-Iron, 3 ½”
16”x24” rectangle drawn on a box, shot resting across my hood.
Results, 30 pellets in 16”x24” area.
1341 feet per second.
The shell I cut had 74 pellets. That’s about 41%.
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on April 06, 2003, 04:46 PM:
Brian. I am pretty sure that would mess up a coyotes plans for the weekend.
It is amasing what small changes can do for a shotgun. Ofcourse no two will ever shoot the same.
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