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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 05, 2024, 06:25 AM:
Have any of you guys ever tried using Diatomaceous Earth in a powder bottle for a wind detector ?????
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 05, 2024, 07:09 AM:
Nope. Just use smoke or look at weather map.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 05, 2024, 10:48 AM:
Small thread of yarn tied to my suppressor cover
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 05, 2024, 11:33 AM:
The wind & thermals down this way are way to squirrely to trust a weather map. In the flat desert the breeze 'usually' comes out of the rising sun until mid-morning when all bets are off. The 'Smoke In A Bottle' works great but I'd like to refill them rather than keep replacing them. $$ ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
$$.
The yarn works but is usually missing after a couple of stands in the brush.
Paul showed me a neat trick at one of the campouts. He kept a powder bottle in the cab of the truck. At a likely spot, he'd park for a moment and then check the air movement from the cab of the truck. If it wasn't favorable, on down the road to a better spot with little wasted time.
I miss Paul. Neat guy.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 05, 2024, 04:08 PM:
No smoke in bottle here just light up cig., also looking out rearview mirror at exhaust, just see which way it goes. As for weather forecast its pretty simple here, N-W, S-W, south, S-E, and East, look at hourly forecast and it tells when and if its going to change. Roads here run pretty straight, north to south and east to west. I pick a direction and just call on left side of road or right side, swing big loop and just reverse it. 2-tracks in the Dakotas kind of same deal you call your way in on say right side then when you get to end of the trail turn around and call other side on way back.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 05, 2024, 04:26 PM:
Cigarettes ????? Damn Tim, we knowed you were kind of goofy but thought you were smarter than that. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
I survived my heart attack; how are you doing ???? Chest pains ?? Short of breath ?? Any of that annoying arm going numb thing ???
Yeah, I was invincible once too, but do yourself a favor ..................
End of lecture.
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on May 06, 2024, 04:05 AM:
I thought my weather rock had a breeze feature on it. I was wrong, it doesn't. I guess I'll have to rely on the ole wind in the face method which can or can not be reliable. Got fooled again packing that rock around with me on stands.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 06, 2024, 04:38 AM:
Walt;
For the 'Breeze' app to work on a Weather Rock it has to be suspended by a brass chain from a tri-pod with each leg of the tri-pod calibrated for Latitude, Longitude and Elevation. It's all in the Manual. Since I got a deal on a used one, the traveling Gypsies that I bought it from explained everything. A lot of Old World science involved here.
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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 06, 2024, 06:36 AM:
Ok ............. Got some Diatomaceous Earth from a neighbor who swears by it for ant control.
Loaded up an empty wind detector bottle and the stuff works awesome!!! Now, as long as it doesn't clump up when things get damp .............
I use a lot of powder. I've had stands where the air movements hit all four points of the compass. Very annoying. Others where the powder showed a rising thermal carrying scent up and above the coyote coming in from 'downwind'.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 06, 2024, 04:25 PM:
Welcome to old wives chit chat! I must be the only one that watches old cowboy v Indian battles and such. scooping up a small handful of sand, and tossing it in the air, then observing the direction of the drift seems to work passably well.
The recommended white powder, from back in my era has always been Talc or maybe Baby Powder. But it doesn't matter a whole lot. If it's windy and gusty, the coyotes already are aware and stop paying attention, and/or trying to get downwind.
Just walking to a stand, if after driving the dirt and watching in your mirror, which way it drifts, is also sufficient. If, when driving that two track and you have a tail wind, I'd try to change direction. Ever notice how every animal you see or call in is on one side, they are all on that side? I really don't understand it, other than lack of sleep or some shit, but it's true as often as not. But please do not agonize these conditions, just be grateful you aren't calling Wyoming!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 06, 2024, 05:03 PM:
Koko try wearing a Kilt! You will know really quick like what direction wind is from.
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on May 06, 2024, 05:46 PM:
My daughter took me to Wyoming hunting antelope and I remember thinking at the time I wouldn't mind moving over there. That is til I started looking at snow fences and highway gates and said "Self!!! Better stay in Nevada." The wind was tolerable on every trip to Wildoming no worse than Nevada.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 07, 2024, 08:33 AM:
You apparently lead a charmed life, Walt. Calling coyotes in windy Wyoming requires skills I haven't mastered completely. It centers around appropriate volume for conditions, conditions which change with the frequency of like teenage girls changing clothes. The one thing you can count on is that they come romping in from a mile away, over hill and yon, so you always sit on a hill, if you have any smarts, at all. That's the thing. If you are used to Arizona distances for scanning, you won't notice that loping approach from the next county which is equal to watching ants crawling around at your feet, while standing up. Yeah, they look like wandering ants, they are so far away. I'm not always geared to be looking that far out, thinking that distance will take care of itself, and it does, unless your fifteen minutes are up and you stand up with a couple "ants" in plain sight, if you knew where to look!
Good luck,
El Bee
edit: PS, some of those ants are pronghorns, BTW.
[ May 07, 2024, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 07, 2024, 09:11 AM:
I was in Rawlings once when the wind WASN'T blowing ...... but nobody believes me.
It was the 'checkerboard land management' there that convinced me to never go back.
And the snow fences
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 07, 2024, 10:39 PM:
I've seen many of the snow fences up around Bridgeport on US395. Better than not being prepared, ya think? But, I am uneasy around snow like ko ko. But it "snows" in Wyoming without a cloud in the sky. That wind just blows last night's snow sideways. And that's what blocks the highways. It just creeps me out talking about it! Can we change the subject? What do the Peanut Gallery think about estrus chirps for calling coyotes? Got any good ones? Who says so? ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on May 08, 2024, 03:42 AM:
Nope. But one time, just out of curiosity,I tried just making what I thought was crying baby sounds without a call and sure enough called up a coyote. Never happened again after that but maybe my version of a crying baby sounded like the ever popular, with some, estrus chirp? Or maybe it just was such a horrid attempt at calling, some new of the year had to just see what was making that God awful sound.
Ahh, does that estrus chirp sound like a hooker moaning after you don't pay her? Inquiring minds just wanted me to ask lol.
Posted by www (Member # 3918) on May 08, 2024, 06:10 AM:
''I was in Rawlings once when the wind WASN'T blowing''
I think I was there on the same day, sorry I missed you.
Wyoming snow doesn't necessarily melt it blows around until it wears out.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 08, 2024, 06:48 AM:
Yeah, it was terrible; all of the locals who were used to walking leaning hard into the wind were tipping over when it stopped.
And then there are the electrical outlets in parking lots to plug your engine block heaters into.
Not 'no' ........ Hell No !!!!
Estrus Chirps ??? How passé. Today's secret sound is the Song Of The Blue Whale.
Try finding THAT one on the FoxPro playlist.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 08, 2024, 12:30 PM:
That Blue Whale stuff was proved to be farts, ko ko! I'm not disputing the effectiveness of the sound, just the origin. Throughout history, there have been people that have claimed they could render a recognizable tune with controlled farts. I did some research on the theory but it mostly sounded like duck quacks. IDK? But, it has been proved quite convincingly, that duck quacks do not echo, (thankfully), however, nobody can say why? It's just one of those mysteries of the universe.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 08, 2024, 01:06 PM:
Ok ............ ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
The Blue Whale Song I'm using is from an actual recording (possibly studio grade) of whales on cassette tape that I programed into my FoxPro 416.
This is all secret handshake stuff so don't spread it around.
Now, duck quacks don't echo because there's (usually) nothing for the sound to bounce off from & back to the listener. Flat marshes and all of that.
Thus endth today's lessons.
Next week; Low cost camo with Cray-o-la Crayons. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 08, 2024, 06:02 PM:
Hint, hint. Set up below the ridgeline and call down wind into drainage.
Women screaming still working good.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 09, 2024, 10:22 AM:
Getting back to Diatomaceous earth. You know that stuff is sold in (like) 25 pound bags, right?
edit: you also know what it is? Right? It's microscopic shells of ancient little crustaceans built up in extensive deposits, miles wide and deep. It's amazing, when you think about it, how pure it is? think, like plankton, what the whales eat. It's not rare but I don't know the first place to look for it. When I was doing my own pool maintenance, I would use a one pound coffee can and dump it into the skimmer
Another thing. Baby powder is sky high $ these days. When I was playing pool tournaments, I used a lot of talc. Would leave palm prints all over the table and got in trouble, but when your hands sweat, what can you do?
These days, try to find it? They are claiming it causes some female parts cancer? Now, why women would be rubbing talc on their crotch instead of baby powder, I don't know?
I stil say, a small bottle of talc/Baby powder/Diatomaceous earth is not essential gear when walking to a stand. In fact, I think I can safely say that I've not ever done it? I faintly remember having a small plastic bottle of it around in my gear somewhere? But I am sure that I've never actually deployed it....since I never bring it on stand, because I've never left the house with it.
So, that tell you how important it is to my strategy. But I have mentioned several times that misting, at night is a sure fire way to detect the exact path of scent in the air as it travels, bumping into bushes and rocks and trees. It is amazing how the mist holds together in a ribbon, flowing with the wind current.
That's why I always got a bit incensed reading about so called "scent CONES" spreading like a teepee as it leaves your stand location. That shit never happens, it's definitely a ribbon, not a friggin' cone!
Excuse the mini rant!
Good hunting. El Bee
[ May 09, 2024, 11:12 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 09, 2024, 05:11 PM:
scent cone, more like a wave of blackbirds flying south
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 10, 2024, 06:10 AM:
I GIVE UP!
Not really.... Good observation, Tim! Thanks!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 10, 2024, 11:25 AM:
Ribbon of Blackbirds ......... No problem IN A STEADY BREEZE.
But ....... What I often run into is a breeze that wanders. It will be in my face and then a few minutes later in my ear and then back to my face. Depending on terrain and thermals this shifting breeze is going to carry that ribbon with it possibly in a cone shape.
Therefore; once you can determine a quarter of the compass that's 'downwind' and disregard it ..... that's where the coyote will show up.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 10, 2024, 02:41 PM:
How about those dust devils? Seems like eastern California and southern and central Nevada has epidemics of dust devils, there are times you have to wait for them to pass, like a train. Except, they don't follow any direction or straight line. But, I could just sit and watch them all day. Never happen at night, come to think of it?
That's just it. I feel an overpowering sense of freedom or something while out in the middle of Northern Nothing, Nowhere Nevada. Crack a beer and just watch that big nothing! And feel like you own it! Other than that, it's hard to explain.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 10, 2024, 04:34 PM:
We have some pretty impressive dust devils over this way, too. A few years ago one got my car-port so yeah, they can do damage.
They are cool to see, though. Maybe not as cool as Monsoon Lightening or the fall colors up on the Rim but still cool.
Edit to add; That Diatomaceous Earth stuff has got to be the BEST ant medicine I've ever used and it's not poison. Win / win !!!!
[ May 10, 2024, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: Kokopelli ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 10, 2024, 05:34 PM:
Early fall sitting in a duck blind the redwing black birds be all flocked up and working their way south stopping every so often when the come to a marsh. There be like a thousand birds in a flock. The flock can be couple 100 yards long and about 40 feet wide and as they fly about following the leader they weave to left or right and up and down just like a scent cone or stream.
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on June 14, 2024, 08:03 AM:
I found a new wind detector while cleaning ashes out of the fire pit. Guess how I discovered it.
Yup got down wind of it and a gust of wind got it and me. I had to hose off.
When I was big into kite buggies down in Vegas we would be out on the playas and looking to find dust devils and the associated wind gusts to fly into.
We could take off like a rocket and actually get some speed going. Those land sailers did the same but sometimes would get tipped over. You gotta be quick with both kites and landsailers sometimes to not get tossed out and drug about.
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