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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 21, 2011, 04:09 PM:
Anyone here heard of them or used one before?
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 21, 2011, 05:46 PM:
Nope!!!
Posted by Inoculation (Member # 2229) on March 21, 2011, 07:02 PM:
I haven't had the opportunity to use one. I heard he was the one that taught martz everything he knows about e callers??? I figured t-bag would have at least given one a whirl.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 21, 2011, 08:14 PM:
What in the world is a Martin Lilly? Is that a Mighty Atom's sister? T-snaggler should know about this, where are the pictures and stories?
I want one for the collection.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 21, 2011, 10:11 PM:
WTF! A collection of electronic callers? Doesn't everybody? I need to award you the CUSTOM TITLE: "MORE MONEY THAN BRAINS.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 21, 2011, 11:48 PM:
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would have at least given one a whirl.
I got the WT and Minaska big country, don't need anymore..
Wookie keeps thinking maybe his luck would change with another new caller.. Proably has a collection of decoys as well..LOL
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 22, 2011, 04:32 AM:
Martin Lilly built high-end e-callers specifically and only for gov't gunners. $2,000 per unit. A friend of mine in ADC used one for several years and said its quality was far superior to what was available at the time, including WT. I was just curious if anyone here was familiar with one and how they stacked up against current commercial offerings.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 22, 2011, 05:49 AM:
T-Dongle
I have a caller that works consistently and reliably. It's called a FoxPro CS-24. I collect them for fun and to add to my sound library. Old WT's can be found cheap if you know where to look. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Cdog911,
If you get a photo of a Martin Lilly, post one up, I'm interested in what they looked like. Whose sounds did they play?
[ March 22, 2011, 05:49 AM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on March 22, 2011, 07:39 AM:
Is this a Martin Lilly?
http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/bitstream/10113/39028/1/IND44318980.pdf
O well, link not working. The caller might be called a Chuck Box. Google "Martin Lilly Gov't electronic coyote callers"
[ March 22, 2011, 07:56 AM: Message edited by: Greenside ]
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 22, 2011, 07:58 AM:
Thanks Greenside, that was an interesting read about the Chuck Box. No luck on the google search for Martin Lilly. If anybody knows somebody with one willing to sell, let me know please.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 22, 2011, 09:15 AM:
More of a scare box than it is a caller.. They did say it could be loaded with rabbit distress sounds...LOL
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 22, 2011, 09:23 AM:
Looks damn near identical to the "Mighty Atom" lol
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 22, 2011, 09:38 AM:
It's better than a Mighty Spasm...it could be programmed.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 22, 2011, 09:58 AM:
Just got off the phone with Martin Lilly. What a great guy to chat with. Learned a bit about the history of his callers, some of the electronics used and speakers. He's still making them. Thanks Cdog911 for this post, good stuff.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 22, 2011, 03:22 PM:
Wookie,
What did he tell you? I know nothing more than the name and I had to email my buddy X2 to get that. The subject first came up one day season before last when he and I met up at his mom's place while he and a buddy from WY in ADC were back here hunting deer. He told that the units were far superior to anything out there, specifically tim's favorite WT (his opinion, not, mine) and when I asked him about what sounds they preferred, he did say that they'd been bootlegging sounds off WT's for years and loading them on these units. Best of all worlds.
Thus, from what I was told by a professional government hunter in the employ of the federal government at the time, this "scare box" pretty much smoked anything commercially available, and he's used them all. Just saying....
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 22, 2011, 03:37 PM:
Let's see if this link works.
http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/bitstream/10113/39028/1/IND44318980.pdf
A very intresting read and consistent with my friend's work as he hammered a lot of lions in Oregon while there. May very well have been using a chuck box.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 22, 2011, 04:46 PM:
Cdog911,
He told me that he strictly sold to Government guys when he was making them. He said he'd build one for me, but they were $2K. OUCH!!! No remote and no sounds on them. Like you said, the buyer had to provide their own sounds. It had a 25W amp and used single or dual 12volt SLA batteries, typically 12AH rated. Heavy and built like a tank is how they were setup it sounds like. They were housed in a pelican type case for enduring extended periods of time sitting in the field. Several southwestern wildlife researchers also utilized them for their studies. The units used a compact flash card for the memory. Many output options were available to trigger sounds to start/stop, timers, camera outputs...etc. Speakers were a South American company, probably Selenium I'd wager. That's funny because the new Mighty Spasm now uses a Selenium driver in it. Being light-years ahead seems to be working backwards in this case.
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on March 22, 2011, 05:40 PM:
Looks like it might be a early prototype of the foxpro fury before they went to the toa speakers in their top of the line custom callers.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 22, 2011, 06:37 PM:
If anything the TOA and Pelican type setup would be Minaska, not the Fury case setup. 25W amp is pretty powerful though, I wonder if it put 25W out with the 12v. system?
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 22, 2011, 07:13 PM:
What struck me - and I didn't find a pic of one - is that the unit seems to be applicable to calling, but that it is set up for use when there is no operator around which makes it somewhat different than what we consider an e-caller to be. I, too, kinda read through the initial description of the Chuck Box and wondered why they were reinventing the wheel, but the farther you read, the more clear their reasons for doing what they were doing became. Like I said, my friend (I don't use his name because he hasn't given me permission to do so) used them and at the same time was doing a lot of lion control work. I recall him telling me that you just knew when you had a lion in a trap or snare, even long before you got to where you could see anything. He said that there was a very unique feel to the air that you quickly learned to get the feel for.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 22, 2011, 07:20 PM:
Cdog911,
Martin told me that he had customers who had their callers dragged off by lions. It's definitely a different breed of e-caller. It would be interesting to know what & how the sounds played, timing of them and whatnot for various animals. It's a different strategy than any joe-blow typical predator hunter is going to use.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 23, 2011, 04:11 AM:
Not many of us would ever think to call predators when we aren't there to do the shooting (or to stop them from dragging off our toys). LOL Pretty much a high-end version of those little devices they used to advertise in T&PC that squeaked when turned on and you hanged them around your trap sets to bring preds in close. I could defintely see their value to the control guys.
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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 23, 2011, 04:41 AM:
Natural baits work very well too and for a longer period of time. I don't think a $2,000 squawk box is needed or the better than natural baits.
[ March 23, 2011, 04:42 AM: Message edited by: coyote whacker ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 23, 2011, 06:47 AM:
Hell-Fire; I get paranoid leaving a trail camera out where somebody could find it, but a mega high dollar boom box making 'here I am' noise would drive me nuts with worry. Must be for the same crowd that uses Sterling traps.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 23, 2011, 07:18 AM:
Might need a lo-jack tracking device on one. Martin said that the guy recovered his caller after the lion dragged it down a hill. Lots of bite marks and scratches, but the caller still worked.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 23, 2011, 08:30 AM:
At the risk of demonstrating my stupidity, I don't get it?
Never mind attracting animals to a remote location, and feeling it in the air, this shit gets into mental telepathy, which is probably illegal?
Can somebody describe, (perhaps explain) the theory, purpose and application in a single concise paragraph, or less?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 23, 2011, 08:54 AM:
If I were wanting to hunt predators that were not in a legal area to hunt, for example Denali National Park, I could see the benefit of a system like this in combination with baits and traps. By doing homework on a pack of wolves, a person could in theory time when a pack would be into or close to a specific area. Have the caller set out for a week or more and have the timer setup for sounds to go off. Once the curiosity of the pack is piqued, they could in theory go out of their safe haven of the park boundaries and into an area where they could be taken. Just a theory....Maybe that's not the type of response you were searching for Leonard. Some of these pro's here probably have a better idea of use.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 23, 2011, 09:05 AM:
I don't know but would'nt a call lure be cheaper and just effective??????
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 23, 2011, 09:17 AM:
If the winds in an area never or hardly ever blow towards the area you want to draw out predators, wouldn't the call lure be ineffective? Having a very loud speaker setup to project a sound into a specific area would get their attention as long as they're within hearing distance. On a -30 to -40 day, a loud speaker would rattle into the hills many miles I'd wager. Good enough for a pack of wolves to hear.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 23, 2011, 01:21 PM:
I would surmise that since many of the techniques employed by these people are vetted through experience and research, they must have a reason. The article to which that link takes you explains some of those strategies.
Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 23, 2011, 02:45 PM:
Cdog I would surmise the opposite!!!!
How much of an attraction would a calling box have over all in a period of time??? I have tried the smaller ones for bobcats and they aren't worth the money as I seem to catch those cats in others sets.
Many animals want to have the smells and visual of the prey, outside of just A sound. Most are going to take a swing thru and if there eyes and nose don't tell them then they are on the way.
I have had much better luck with draw stations, IE: Larger bait stations to draw in animals from an area that is more conducive for my trapping,snaring, calling, m-44's or aerial hunting. I don't know many ADC guys using a 2,000 caller to make a draw stations that has any longevity to it.
You add the large and natural baits and the sounds will follow, meaning crows, magpies, eagles, hawks etc, making the noise to attract the predator. Your adding far more stimuli to a bait station than just A sound from a "BOSE" quality outfitted caller.
Our Dept does plenty of MT Lion trapping, tagging and the such and a well placed draw station of natural bait is far more conducive to results than a squawk box with out doubt.
Tim a "CALL" lure is good for feet not the distance of a bait station or sounds combined. Natural sight, smell and sounds together will out produce in many areas just 1 of the 3 for alonger durration of time.
The bait station allows you to pull the critters to your best location and keep them there milling, feeding and interacting far longer for sure!!!!!
Sorry but seems like to me an exseonsive gimmick more than anything, if you trully have a lion that you need rid of in an area you use a good set of dogs to track and tree or setupon the fresh kill with equipment.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 23, 2011, 03:30 PM:
Well, in my view, and a limited knowledge of the theory, it works, but not for very long, so I'm still not getting it.
I have a couple of battery powered tones that will bring a cat to a certain spot, while we pursue other routes. Later, we swing back and a cat is poking around the location. How long he remains is a deep subject, but I think it is measured in minutes and hours, not days and weeks.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 23, 2011, 04:01 PM:
Good information, whacker. I'll have to defer to your experience on this one as my interest goes only so far as being just that - an interest. What you say, based upon real deal time on the job, makes sense.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 23, 2011, 04:19 PM:
I'd never argue that a Chuck Box or Call Lure would outdo a serious bait station. If that were the case, bear bait guys wouldn't mess around with hauling tons of stinky stuff into their stations. Trappers wanting to maximize success here love to find a big moose or caribou kill and just snare the area like crazy. It sounds like the benefit of the Chuck Box would be right up a researchers alley. Being able to put the thing out for extended periods with output devices would be ideal for researchers wanting to capture data on the creatures they're trying to study without necessarily scaring them away. Maybe they should just get a bucket and gallon of Aunt Jemima.
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