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Cdog911
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posted March 21, 2011 04:09 PM
Anyone here heard of them or used one before?
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TA17Rem
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posted March 21, 2011 05:46 PM
Nope!!!
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Inoculation
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posted March 21, 2011 07:02 PM
I haven't had the opportunity to use one. I heard he was the one that taught martz everything he knows about e callers??? I figured t-bag would have at least given one a whirl.
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TundraWookie
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posted March 21, 2011 08:14 PM
What in the world is a Martin Lilly? Is that a Mighty Atom's sister? T-snaggler should know about this, where are the pictures and stories?
I want one for the collection.
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Leonard
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posted March 21, 2011 10:11 PM
WTF! A collection of electronic callers? Doesn't everybody? I need to award you the CUSTOM TITLE: "MORE MONEY THAN BRAINS.
Good hunting. LB
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Southern Minneesota Know it all
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posted March 21, 2011 11:48 PM
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would have at least given one a whirl.
I got the WT and Minaska big country, don't need anymore..
Wookie keeps thinking maybe his luck would change with another new caller.. Proably has a collection of decoys as well..LOL
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Cdog911
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posted March 22, 2011 04:32 AM
Martin Lilly built high-end e-callers specifically and only for gov't gunners. $2,000 per unit. A friend of mine in ADC used one for several years and said its quality was far superior to what was available at the time, including WT. I was just curious if anyone here was familiar with one and how they stacked up against current commercial offerings.
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TundraWookie
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posted March 22, 2011 05:49 AM
T-Dongle
I have a caller that works consistently and reliably. It's called a FoxPro CS-24. I collect them for fun and to add to my sound library. Old WT's can be found cheap if you know where to look. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Cdog911,
If you get a photo of a Martin Lilly, post one up, I'm interested in what they looked like. Whose sounds did they play?
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Greenside
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posted March 22, 2011 07:39 AM
Is this a Martin Lilly?
http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/bitstream/10113/39028/1/IND44318980.pdf
O well, link not working. The caller might be called a Chuck Box. Google "Martin Lilly Gov't electronic coyote callers"
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TundraWookie
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posted March 22, 2011 07:58 AM
Thanks Greenside, that was an interesting read about the Chuck Box. No luck on the google search for Martin Lilly. If anybody knows somebody with one willing to sell, let me know please.
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TA17Rem
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posted March 22, 2011 09:15 AM
More of a scare box than it is a caller.. They did say it could be loaded with rabbit distress sounds...LOL
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UTcaller
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posted March 22, 2011 09:23 AM
Looks damn near identical to the "Mighty Atom" lol
Good Hunting Chad
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TundraWookie
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posted March 22, 2011 09:38 AM
It's better than a Mighty Spasm...it could be programmed.
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TundraWookie
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posted March 22, 2011 09:58 AM
Just got off the phone with Martin Lilly. What a great guy to chat with. Learned a bit about the history of his callers, some of the electronics used and speakers. He's still making them. Thanks Cdog911 for this post, good stuff.
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Cdog911
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posted March 22, 2011 03:22 PM
Wookie,
What did he tell you? I know nothing more than the name and I had to email my buddy X2 to get that. The subject first came up one day season before last when he and I met up at his mom's place while he and a buddy from WY in ADC were back here hunting deer. He told that the units were far superior to anything out there, specifically tim's favorite WT (his opinion, not, mine) and when I asked him about what sounds they preferred, he did say that they'd been bootlegging sounds off WT's for years and loading them on these units. Best of all worlds.
Thus, from what I was told by a professional government hunter in the employ of the federal government at the time, this "scare box" pretty much smoked anything commercially available, and he's used them all. Just saying....
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Cdog911
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posted March 22, 2011 03:37 PM
Let's see if this link works.
http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/bitstream/10113/39028/1/IND44318980.pdf
A very intresting read and consistent with my friend's work as he hammered a lot of lions in Oregon while there. May very well have been using a chuck box.
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TundraWookie
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posted March 22, 2011 04:46 PM
Cdog911,
He told me that he strictly sold to Government guys when he was making them. He said he'd build one for me, but they were $2K. OUCH!!! No remote and no sounds on them. Like you said, the buyer had to provide their own sounds. It had a 25W amp and used single or dual 12volt SLA batteries, typically 12AH rated. Heavy and built like a tank is how they were setup it sounds like. They were housed in a pelican type case for enduring extended periods of time sitting in the field. Several southwestern wildlife researchers also utilized them for their studies. The units used a compact flash card for the memory. Many output options were available to trigger sounds to start/stop, timers, camera outputs...etc. Speakers were a South American company, probably Selenium I'd wager. That's funny because the new Mighty Spasm now uses a Selenium driver in it. Being light-years ahead seems to be working backwards in this case.
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Greenside
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posted March 22, 2011 05:40 PM
Looks like it might be a early prototype of the foxpro fury before they went to the toa speakers in their top of the line custom callers.
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TundraWookie
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posted March 22, 2011 06:37 PM
If anything the TOA and Pelican type setup would be Minaska, not the Fury case setup. 25W amp is pretty powerful though, I wonder if it put 25W out with the 12v. system?
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Cdog911
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posted March 22, 2011 07:13 PM
What struck me - and I didn't find a pic of one - is that the unit seems to be applicable to calling, but that it is set up for use when there is no operator around which makes it somewhat different than what we consider an e-caller to be. I, too, kinda read through the initial description of the Chuck Box and wondered why they were reinventing the wheel, but the farther you read, the more clear their reasons for doing what they were doing became. Like I said, my friend (I don't use his name because he hasn't given me permission to do so) used them and at the same time was doing a lot of lion control work. I recall him telling me that you just knew when you had a lion in a trap or snare, even long before you got to where you could see anything. He said that there was a very unique feel to the air that you quickly learned to get the feel for.
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TundraWookie
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posted March 22, 2011 07:20 PM
Cdog911,
Martin told me that he had customers who had their callers dragged off by lions. It's definitely a different breed of e-caller. It would be interesting to know what & how the sounds played, timing of them and whatnot for various animals. It's a different strategy than any joe-blow typical predator hunter is going to use.
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Cdog911
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posted March 23, 2011 04:11 AM
Not many of us would ever think to call predators when we aren't there to do the shooting (or to stop them from dragging off our toys). LOL Pretty much a high-end version of those little devices they used to advertise in T&PC that squeaked when turned on and you hanged them around your trap sets to bring preds in close. I could defintely see their value to the control guys.
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coyote whacker
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posted March 23, 2011 04:41 AM
Natural baits work very well too and for a longer period of time. I don't think a $2,000 squawk box is needed or the better than natural baits.
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Kokopelli
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posted March 23, 2011 06:47 AM
Hell-Fire; I get paranoid leaving a trail camera out where somebody could find it, but a mega high dollar boom box making 'here I am' noise would drive me nuts with worry. Must be for the same crowd that uses Sterling traps.
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TundraWookie
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posted March 23, 2011 07:18 AM
Might need a lo-jack tracking device on one. Martin said that the guy recovered his caller after the lion dragged it down a hill. Lots of bite marks and scratches, but the caller still worked.
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