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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 13, 2011, 09:14 PM:
 
Ok I sat through 2 fox-pro shows and one other where a F-P E-caller was used. I was seeing a pattern in all three shows where the majority of coyotes are comeing in or stopping short and then bugging out just as fast as they came in.. Is this normal or what to exspect when useing a F-P caller?????

[ February 13, 2011, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on February 13, 2011, 11:28 PM:
 
There is no way you could be this fucking stupid, is there? WOW!

Of course if we applied that same logic to you we could presume that every post you ever made would be retarded........oh wait.....well hell Tim, I guess your logic makes sense, FP must suck then huh.

Idiot!!!
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 14, 2011, 02:50 AM:
 
Tim, Tim, Tim, what ARE we going to do with you??

When I use my F/P caller, I exspect the coyotes to run right up the barrel of my shotgun, and they often do. Since you didn't mention what programs that you saw, I don't know who the hunters were, but I suspect that the problems that you describe go far beyond the brand of caller used.

There are at least two possible reasons for the behavior that you saw, as outlined below.

(1) Bad music in the truck. Coyotes have incredible hearing in ranges that we've only just begun to suspect. Playing 'Rap' or 'Heavy Metal' in the truck's stereo system sets up a bad vibration that can alert canines for miles and impact success. A more mellow type of music should be played between stands, such as The Beach Boys who give off Good Vibrations.

(2) The producers are testing you, Tim, to see if you pick up on the finer nuances. They are looking for the next super-star of the video coyote callers and they have their eye on you. I'd stay close by the phone if'n I was you.

Remember, we're here to help.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on February 14, 2011, 05:17 AM:
 
That does it!!!

I'm calling Bill Martz today and ordering a new ecaller. Does WT still make the "Backpack" model. I just loved the color and size of those units.

Look out Illinois coyotes... you're going to die!

Nikonut
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 14, 2011, 06:15 AM:
 
Old TA17 is a real cracker jack now ain't he?
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on February 14, 2011, 07:23 AM:
 

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Is this normal or what to exspect when useing a F-P caller?????

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The silly question does little to mask the seething jealousy that prompted it...
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 14, 2011, 07:43 AM:
 
Niko, I have a couple backpack models that I'd sell you.

Tim,
They were going to try a WT, but the thing snapped the wire on the antenna before episode 1 was filmed.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 14, 2011, 08:56 AM:
 
The answer, which everyone forgot to mention, is that the behavior is very normal, depending on who is conducting the stand, and it wouldn't matter if it was a Foxpro or a WT. The reason why they all failed to answer the question is because they were so quick to jump on the poor, innocent questioner.

This does not speak well, for our famous Huntmaster hospitality. We are unfailingly polite, regardless of how stupid the question may be.

But, go ahead, since you guys started it. You have a "Hall Pass" to hammer Tim the rest of the day.

Enjoy, El Bee

[ February 14, 2011, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on February 14, 2011, 10:07 AM:
 
Thats funny LB, the reason we failed to answer "the" question is because the poor innocent questioner didnt really ask a question he merely applied his brand of stupidity to a situation in another attempt to make his butt buddy BM look good.

Kokopelli....You know he`s going to copy that statement about looking for the next superstar, change it around a little and post it on another board somewhere.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 14, 2011, 10:39 AM:
 
Let's just break it down into even smaller pieces so TA doesn't have a stroke worrying about what FP to buy next to replace that WT.

Tim said:
"Ok I sat through 2 fox-pro shows and one other where a F-P E-caller was used."

Comment: Trying to isolate one specific variable in the situation is simply pointless. Maybe it was the camo clothing they were wearing? Maybe it was the glare off their NightForce scopes? Maybe it was the 5 man filming crew? Maybe it was the broken WT sitting beside them? Simply calling out one variable has zero merit.

Tim said:
"I was seeing a pattern in all three shows where the majority of coyotes are comeing in or stopping short and then bugging out just as fast as they came in.."

Comment: They're coming in aren't they? Stopping short of what (a decent filming shot for the kill)? Tim, would you rather they shoot them at 800 yards out and then leave the filming crew with a dot in the distance that stops moving? That's not exactly what the viewers are looking for in a predator hunting show. Good shooting is nice, but prime time footage is what they're after here.

Tim Said:
"Is this normal or what to exspect when useing a F-P caller?????"

Comment: Define "normal" in terms of predator hunting please? Is there such a thing as a "normal" response? Get out there with a crew of people and do it yourself, then let us know what your new definition of "normal" is. Coyote drives with the hot-rods and bucket-cam won't cut it either. Get some real, up close stuff for us. No fox 500 yards out sleeping in the snow either. 50 yards or less.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 14, 2011, 11:13 AM:
 
Tim, would you like to be rehired as moderator of the Consolidated Pinhead Forum?

I can prequalify members that demonstrate a lack of comprehension, and restrict normal people to "read only".

Excellent opportunity to pose this type of questions and gather responses of merit. Might even be good wholesome entertainment for us regular folks?

Let me know, Chum.

edit: Hey everybody! just for fun, see if you can get in there. Or, request the password.

[ February 14, 2011, 11:16 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on February 14, 2011, 11:18 AM:
 
You forgot the "p" in that next to last sentence.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 14, 2011, 11:19 AM:
 
You just qualified!
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 14, 2011, 11:27 AM:
 
Yep once again Tim you have proven you can't fix stupid.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 14, 2011, 11:31 AM:
 
Chad, did you get an invitation from Scott, yet? We want you to show us all your honey holes in Nevada.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 14, 2011, 01:45 PM:
 
Yeah,I did. Unfortunately That weekend is bad for me.It's my oldest boys birthday on the 19th and I have a bunch of family/friends coming in to have a big get together.Thanks for the Invite though.Man I wish I could go. Anytime I get a chance to go to Nevada calling coyotes is great but to be able to hunt with You, DAA and Scott out there would be even better.What area you guys headed too?

We were there a couple weeks ago and did pretty good for this time a year. 10 coyotes in 2 1/2 days of calling.It was a new area so we were doing alot of driving/scouting too.Should be a good spot next fall though.

As far as honeyholes go I think the whole state is one.lol

Like Blaine always says "about anywhere you go in Nevada and you're into Coyotes".lol

Save a few for me though will ya.

Good Hunting Chad

[ February 14, 2011, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 14, 2011, 02:54 PM:
 

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Comment: They're coming in aren't they? Stopping short of what (a decent filming shot for the kill)? Tim, would you rather they shoot them at 800 yards out and then leave the filming crew with a dot in the distance that stops moving? That's not exactly what the viewers are looking for in a predator hunting show. Good shooting is nice, but prime time footage is what they're after here.

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Then why bother to even carry a gun...LOL
Reason I brought it up was do to some posts awhile ago about everyone with a F-P wiseing up the coyotes. You can see it first hand by watching the last two F-P shows.. I guess maybe I got a little spoiled from watching some of Les's shows..
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on February 14, 2011, 04:29 PM:
 
Tim, sometimes I just sit here and marvel at your ability to express to the world your ignorance on so many different levels, it truly amazes me, sometimes I think your the village idiot, other times I wonder if you just stumbled in drunk from the gay bar, at one point I even considered that you might have a touch of down syndrome the thought of which terrified me that maybe I`ve been M-Fing a special needs person all these years but thats not it either. I think I know what it is....TA is just a fictitious character created by some 12 year old computer nerds who sign up under that screen name and troll all the hunting related sites for shits and giggles....it must be, nobody could possibly be this stupid or drunk........we`ve been duped by a bunch of 12 year olds!!! I guess the jokes on us guys.
 

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Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on February 14, 2011, 06:55 PM:
 

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That does it!!!

I'm calling Bill Martz today and ordering a new ecaller. Does WT still make the "Backpack" model. I just loved the color and size of those units.

Look out Illinois coyotes... you're going to die!

Nikonut [Roll Eyes]

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You'd better make sure that bm sends you one of the new "programmable" wt backpack ecallers that were talked up last year. That will really put the odds in your favor.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 14, 2011, 07:01 PM:
 
Actually, Tim really does exist. I met him about three camp-outs ago & he seemed like a decent guy. Unfortunately, once he figures something out in his area that works, he tends to think that it will work everywhere...............and as most of us know, it ain't always so.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 14, 2011, 07:26 PM:
 
Not sure if you are serious Koko but thanks anyway..

Sure everyone has a bad stand or two no big deal, what I dislike is the mis-handleing of coyotes by the so called TV experts and like I mentioned it happens on more than a few stands or coyote calling shows.. Since all of them where useing a Fox-pro this left me with the question of is the F-P and sounds actually good enough to put a high percentage of coyotes in the back of the truck.. Either the callers were'nt useing the sounds that brought the coyotes in part ways to bring them in for a closer shot or perhaps used the wrong sounds and turned the coyotes off, or maybe F-P dose'nt have the vocabulary to work a coyote.. Hmmm
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on February 14, 2011, 07:50 PM:
 
Well Tim, if thats really who you are, didnt you post up a couple video clips of you trying to call a couple coyotes, but they wouldnt come in, would they Tim, what can we conclude from those video clips of you NOT getting those animals closer?
 

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Posted by sak81 (Member # 3706) on February 14, 2011, 08:27 PM:
 
or maybe F-P dose'nt have the vocabulary to work a coyote.. Hmmm

I dunno, seems to work for us just fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YMIU6DSGCU
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 14, 2011, 09:24 PM:
 
Tim,
Ask Kelly Jackson how the FoxPro's working out for him, I'm sure he'll let you know how he handles coyotes with the thing. If you already saw that episode, he killed 153 I believe last season, probably over the CS-24 by the looks of the pictures. The sounds and the quality of the CS-24 will flat out blow the WT out of the water. How do I know????? I have them all Timmy....All of them and all the sounds.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 14, 2011, 09:50 PM:
 

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If you already saw that episode, he killed 153 I believe last season, probably over the CS-24 by the looks of the pictures. The sounds and the quality of the CS-24 will flat out blow the WT out of the water. How do I know????? I have them all Timmy....All of them and all the sounds

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If this is so why do you need to have WT sounds on youre F-P???
Yep i saw that, Kelly can really cover some ground.. So since you have a CS-24 I'm sure you have just as many kills for last year as Kelly. Right??? Or was it just to cold to be out calling last year..
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 14, 2011, 10:00 PM:
 
Tim,
I like to have WT sounds on my FoxPro CS-24 because I can. Can you say the same about your WT 2030? I like to have a mixed bag of tricks so any base is covered. You're missing out if you're just limiting yourself to WT sounds. No such luck getting 153 coyotes up here. Trappers running huge lines don't get that many wolves and coyotes combined. Kelly is a coyote killing machine for sure. But you missed the point that he knows how to handle coyotes and is doing it with a FoxPro. If you want to dismiss that, you're just high on yourself and what you think are your abilities.
The cold doesn't bother me one bit, trust me. I'll bear colder weather than any bucket-head around.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 14, 2011, 10:43 PM:
 

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I like to have WT sounds on my FoxPro CS-24 because I can. Can you say the same about your WT 2030? I like to have a mixed bag of tricks so any base is covered. You're missing out if you're just limiting yourself to WT sounds.

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Why would I want to if the sounds I have on my WT works for most if not all situations..
I have a Big Country with all kinds of recorded sounds, don't need them so I don't use them..
If a guy has some of his "own recorded sounds" they can be put on a WT no questions asked...

As for the cool-aid you been passing around on P.M. most of the members that post questions about E-callers as far as which one to get live in the lower 48 states so cold temp.s is'nt a issue for the WT or any other caller..
I seen that another member over there bought a WT, must not of gave him enough F-P cool-aid..LOL
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 15, 2011, 05:58 AM:
 
So can I blame all my misses on the gun?

I have a feeling that there was alot of editing for that video. I saw KJ miss twice and Mike miss a few running shots. I'd blame missing on the guys shooting and the handling part on the editor, I don't think it all went down like it was showed.

I'm just saying...
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 15, 2011, 06:55 AM:
 
Once you understand how videotaping a coyote hunt works, and how what you see on televison relates to that taping, you just can't stand to watch that stuff anymore.

Of course, I wasn't there with Kelly and Mike, but I can all but guarentee you that any coyotes that turned tail and beat feet out of there was likely due to the extra person or people out there above and beyond what you'd normally have on a stand, and the fact that Kelly and Mike had to work these coyotes closer and to more specific spots for purposes of being able to capture the impact shot, whereas under normal circumstances, those coyotes would have been shot and killed long before that point. Most all the kills I saw had to have been within spitting distance of the gunners and I bet even ol' T-T-T-T-Timmy doesn't do that on a regular basis.

Nothing to do with the caller - everything to do with the demands of taping a hunt. Did I really have to point this out, or was it just for Timmy's benefit?
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 15, 2011, 07:06 AM:
 
Timmy boy, no kool aid being passed around, just the truth. If you can't handle the truth, then maybe you should step aside and quit trying to keep tabs on me. If it hurts your feelings every time somebody buys a FoxPro, get over it, they sell exponentially more callers than the mom and pop WT shop. The CS-24 is a better caller than the WT's, I've proven it to myself in real world hunting situations with over 6 different WT models. I know many other guys with both callers and after using their CS-24's pretty much quit using their WT's. If you can prove your WT is more reliable, bring your 2030 up here and show me. I have the exact same caller and it's broken twice in the cold. It's not that I'm against WT, it's just that I'm against gear that fails me and has lousy designs. Failure of gear in the cold becomes gear that gets shelved. I'm glad your WT works for you and that you're happy putting it in your lap and spinning around with the thing. I like to put my callers out a bit farther than that and having one that reliably works is critical. Keep on keepin' on.
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on February 15, 2011, 02:47 PM:
 
Wookie, did you say that you had all the W.T. sounds on your CS-24? I must have missed that. Any of the Unmentionable One's sounds that you like can be put on your CS-24 if you choose to, and that is the point, Tim. You can program it with the sounds you want. Foxpro does what they say they will do.

You sure don't need many sounds from other sources with the current Foxpro library though. Some of the mixed sounds that Steve has put together are outstanding.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 15, 2011, 03:30 PM:
 
Al,
I have all of the distress, coyotes, foxes, and wolf on the CS-24. There are some bird yodels that I don't have, but don't really want either. I have more WT coyote sounds on my FoxPro then Tim has on his WT...lol....Imagine that...and I can clean them up too and remove cricket sounds and background noises.

The new FoxPro sounds are definitely the highest quality around. Those new mixes from Steve are excellent.
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on February 16, 2011, 10:34 AM:
 

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I saw KJ miss twice and Mike miss a few running shots

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KJ don't miss.
Those particular coyotes were in 'the Matrix'...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 16, 2011, 12:19 PM:
 
Don't miss, never? WOW!
Is he really a TV star, like Les Johnson? Can I join his POSSE?

I'm switching, completely. I'm gonna buy a machinegun, smoke those $10 cigars and learn Okie.

Yee Hah!
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on February 16, 2011, 02:34 PM:
 
That was too easy Leonard...

You must have been close to becoming an Okie already. Did you order a "Buckethead" yet?
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 16, 2011, 02:44 PM:
 
You have to have a bottle of Aunt Jemima on hand at all times too Leonard, or you simply won't be allowed intot the Posse. You'll never be given the secret handshake, gang signs, or anything without some sticky Jemima in your pocket. The hazing begins with you haveing to drink 3 gallons of Jemima from the bucket, followed by a Minnesota Hot-Rod coyote drive and machine gun egg shoot. Good luck.

[ February 16, 2011, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on February 16, 2011, 02:53 PM:
 
Fried Okra boys... Fried Okra

Maybe some turkey fries too.
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 16, 2011, 03:53 PM:
 
I'll take a Ron's chili cheese burger with my fried okra please!

- DAA
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 16, 2011, 06:27 PM:
 
If Okra is part of it, I may never qualify?

I saw that stuff prepared but I'm not sure if it was fried? it looked like it was made with snot? But, for all I know, the snot was added to improve the flavor?

But, no shit, you have to eat an okra to be a real Okie?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on February 16, 2011, 07:23 PM:
 
Okra isn't too bad LB. Give this post a few minutes and Tim will be on here with advice as to how to fry okra.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 16, 2011, 07:25 PM:
 
A little bit of Tony Chachery's Creole Seasoning and that Okra would taste just fine.

That nice Cajun fellow got me started on the stuff at the last camp out. Love it!!!!
 

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Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on February 16, 2011, 08:55 PM:
 
Koko, glad you like it. I have heard that Tony's will make a turd taste good. I haven't tried it my self, but that is the rumor.

Leonard, if the okra looked snotty it was boiled. Even this cajun will not eat boiled Okra.Fried is another story. Man that is good eatin.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 16, 2011, 09:48 PM:
 

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Okra isn't too bad LB. Give this post a few minutes and Tim will be on here with advice as to how to fry okra

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Sorry cal, I can't help you there.. I don't eat the stuff.. But our pigs seem to like it so maybe its not that bad....
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 17, 2011, 05:52 AM:
 
Boiled okra will make a billy goat puke.

Now fried okra is great but here in okieland we fry everything, another reason we're in the top 5 in the nation for heart disease.

If'n your gonna dirty up a skillet you better add fried squash, onions and taters along with the okra. Man is it lunch time yet?
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on February 17, 2011, 05:54 AM:
 
I wish I never missed, but I do. Coyotes pairs here are starting to work the JRT pretty good.
Killed a pair I been wanting to get gone last evening after work.

Fried Okra - yep thats the ticket. Not the fish, but the veg....lol

Yall stay after them.
Kelly
 

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Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on February 17, 2011, 08:10 AM:
 
Boiled or fried guy here.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 17, 2011, 10:45 AM:
 
The odds are that sooner or later a subject would pop up and Tim wouldn't know anything about it!

Okay koko, I owe you twenty bucks. You will get it in loose pennies.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 17, 2011, 12:07 PM:
 
El Bee;
I would take it, but I wasn't the one who made the bet. Maybe it was Andy??

Rajn; Next time you make a pot of coffee, give it a couple of shakes of the Creole Seasoning in with the grounds. It doesn't hurt the flavor a bit & the look on people's faces is priceless.

Edit for speling

[ February 17, 2011, 12:11 PM: Message edited by: Kokopelli ]
 

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Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on February 17, 2011, 12:14 PM:
 
Spicy hot pickled Okra! Do about 10 pints a year. Damn near as good as pickled green tomatoes.
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on February 20, 2011, 09:06 AM:
 
We have video hunts here where only the coyotes filmed and shot on camera count and they have a new contest up north here where the filmed kills count double vs coyotes taken off camera count one. It's a challenge just for that let alone getting quality video.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 20, 2011, 12:09 PM:
 
ALERT. Personal opinion follows: That's almost as brilliant as white tips counting as two.

There could be a point for best cameraman, best director, best actor in a leading role, best female coyote in a support role, best cinematography, best foreign film, etc etc.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 05, 2011, 03:30 PM:
 
Have any of you ever visited Charles Shawley's site? He has some interesting things to say about foxpro.
http://www.scienceofthehunt.com/
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 05, 2011, 07:56 PM:
 
In a nutshell.... This guy pissed off FP and got fired by PX magazine now he`s pissed and he likes Kanati callers and badmouths FP and PX....not that interesting and his opinion is as biased as any you will find from the hundreds of stories just like his, predator hunting is big business, if you dont like that side of it, stay out of it and quit bitching.
 

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on March 05, 2011, 09:08 PM:
 
I took a look at the good doctor's website and noticed in his hunting photo section he has some pics of a few dead coyotes and a Foxpro is in several pics...

You would think with all the whining in his blog about FP he would have taken those pics down?

Who knows, maybe a pic of a dead coyote with a hated FP is better than nothing?
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 06, 2011, 08:12 AM:
 
JD, are you retarded? He was fired because of Foxpro! They apparently started the whining. If Foxpro is blackmailing, basically, PX to get someone fired because they don't like what was said about them, then it's a sad state of affairs. If you were fired because some dick hugger didn't like what you wrote about them, and it was true, you'd probably be pissed too.
Hey, it's America, if you wanna take the side of a bunch of c-suckin' brutes, so be it.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 06, 2011, 08:30 AM:
 
You guys. Come on. This guy is not worth getting all upset over.

I looked at his site and for a PhD, his web skills suck, but I'm not having a coronary over it. See how mellow?

Besides, this is so typical of what Foxpro has been doing for years, on PMS. Personally, I think it's bullshit for a company to access upper management over comments they don't like. If they are the top dog, they need to be able to suffer a few rocks thrown at them.

But, if this guy actually lost his job, I can see why he would be pissed. Even JD could understand it. (just kidding, don't jump my ass, please) It is not my understanding of how arrangements between writers and publications, but what do I know?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 06, 2011, 11:49 AM:
 
It`s OK LB, Smitherines is just pissed cause I pick on his gay buddy Tim.

Anyway slithers, No, I`m not retarded but perhaps you are, is this your first day on the planet? Of course its not, you`ve been around this stuff for quite a while so why is it that this sort of behavior surprises you? Are you really shocked by a company like FP defending their interests? Do you really think that the good doctor is telling the ABSOLUTE truth? Christ man, take a look around you and wake the fuck up. Unless you live in the mountains of Tibet and wear a robe all day you should have a grasp on how this shit works.

I`m not saying everyone will approve I`m just saying that if the good doctor thought that he could badmouth a company like foxpro while being employed by a major publication that gets paid by FP to advertise their product and do it without any sort of repercussions he`s a fucking idiot and now we have to listen to him bitch....really? You might but I don`t place any value on his bitching, he`s a disgruntled ex-employee period.

What makes him think that his opinion is so fucking important that anyone gives a shit what bad things he has to say about foxpro, I know I could care less. He felt a need to hear himself bitch and did it in an unacceptable way, now he`s pissed and unemployed, too fucking bad, honestly I would have sent his sorry ass down the road too.

Actions have consequences, I dont think FP did anything wrong, they have a good reputation for building a good caller if you expect them to condone that sort of badmouthing then YOU in fact are the retard smithers17.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 06, 2011, 01:30 PM:
 
Lol! I don't think you want to get into a verbal pissing match with me. I tend to be pretty vitriolic, plus, I would relish ripping you a new cyber asshole. Hold... Hold... Too late you were, are and will always be a complete cyber asshole.

I don't know TA Tim from fucking Tiny Tim, so, wherever you got the idea that I was sticking up for TA, just go ahead and put that back on the shelf with your home meth kit or somethin' mean and nasty and hate filled like that.

I'm a salesman. Of course I know how this shit works. But, I don't have to lay back and watch a company dry dock a bunch of fellow sportsmen just to make a buck. If you're fine with it, well...

[ March 06, 2011, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 06, 2011, 01:54 PM:
 
Yea, letting everyone know that you and Tim are gay buddys is probably going too far, my bad.

Tell me something Mother Theresa, what would happen to you if you publicly badmouthed the company that employs you to be a salesman for them? Would they "dry dock" you?

I`m sorry that you are offended by the fact that I hold no regard for the good doctors opinion or feel sorry for the fact that he has to deal with the consequences of his actions.

LB is right, this guy is no reason to get worked up, maybe you hold him in high regard, I`m sure he`s a great guy I just dont care what a disgruntled employee has to say about the company that rightfully sent his whiney ass down the road.

As far as a pissing match goes, whatever dude, if you dont want a pissing matching then STOP PISSING, you and the good doctor have a few things in common.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 07, 2011, 02:27 PM:
 
Every time you use a Foxpro a Pygmy dies. Hope you sleep well at night knowing that!
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 07, 2011, 03:33 PM:
 
Lol I never liked those little bastards anyway.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 07, 2011, 06:06 PM:
 
All I know is that I've spent the last four minutes trying to figure out how you get those backwards apostrophes. But, I found it in the upper left corner of the keyboard, beneath the "approximnately" (~) symbol. There's three minutes of my life I'll never get back, plus the one it took me to type this. LOL

And BTW, making disparaging remarks about companies that advertise with the folks you write for is pretty much like burning the bridge you're crossing while you're standing in the middle of it.

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 07, 2011, 08:46 PM:
 

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And BTW, making disparaging remarks about companies that advertise with the folks you write for is pretty much like burning the bridge you're crossing while you're standing in the middle of it.

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Tim, when you post your incoherent ramblings the rest of us hear something that resembles Charlie Browns teacher.....whah wha wa wa whah wa wa wa wah whaaahh wha wha wha whahh wa wa wa wha wah fuckin' whah

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Never watched the show, but heard that the retards like to watch it...
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on March 08, 2011, 06:03 AM:
 
my fury had no problem calling these (and a few others) in this past weekend.

 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 08, 2011, 06:32 AM:
 
holey schmokies, that is some barren azz moonscape! Somebody plant a friggin' tree for a goodness sake. Or at least a shrubbery...

click here for more on shrubberys
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 08, 2011, 06:52 AM:
 
Monty Python, The Knights That Say Ni! Bring me a shrubbery! I will click the link to see if I'm right.

Yes!!

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Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on March 08, 2011, 08:49 AM:
 

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And BTW, making disparaging remarks about companies that advertise with the folks you write for is pretty much like burning the bridge you're crossing while you're standing in the middle of it.

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So lie to the readers so not to up set the advertisers.
f... foxpro!

my hand calls had no problem calling these (and a few others) my last trip south.

calls,
TLM game calls
krusty custom call
Bunham bro.



FU.. FOXPRO

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 08, 2011, 10:48 AM:
 
"So lie to the readers so not to up set the advertisers. "

George, that depends upon the purpose for which the writer is writing. I can only speak for myself, but I have always made it a point to refrain from making mention of any particular product in my articles and have been relatively successful over the past 17 years in doing so.

I'm extremely frugal in my spending habits and have never been one to buy into the latest, greatest gadget craze. I've always tried to present my material in such a way that the regular guy can go out and enjoy the experience using what he already has and not feel the need to spend money he doesn't have on things he may or may not need. Does that mean that everything available and being advertised is unnecessary? No, there are many products out there that can enhance the hunt and provide better results for you. I choose not to focus my material just on those because everything out there has 2 or more people making their own versions of it. If I include commentary about how a particular product worked for me, I do so at the expense - implied or directly - of their competitors. Pretty soon, you have product "B" bent out of shape because product "A" got what they perceived as unfair (free) exposure. In my mind, it's best not to even start down that road if at all possible. For example, I may state in an article that I dialed my scope up to, say, 12 power before taking a shot. I will not bog down my material by stating every single piece of gear and component I use, such as saying that I dialed the Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14x scope on my Remmy 700 .22-250 to 12x because doing so unfairly presents one advertiser over another whether that's my intention or not, for one, and for another, it really makes it hard to stay in the flow of the piece as a reader. If you want to know what I use, e-mail me or call me. I'll tell you, but that's on my time and not through my magazine. Does it mean I lack balls? No. It means I'm smart enough not to draw fire upon myself. I'm not a martyr and intend to continue to build on my writing for as long as the calling community will have me. Call me selfish. I've no obligation whatsoever to tell you which products I like most. I try the ones I can afford and which are within my budget, the same as I expect you to do. My tastes are different than yours, as are the conditions under which I hunt, and I expect that you're smart enough to look through the myriad reviews for products online and make your own decisions without encouraging you to buy any one item simply because I like it. I'm pretty opinionated, but I don't see my opinion as the be all, end all. My opinion suits me and that's pretty much the extent of that.

As far as being provided products free of charge, I do not do that either. Even my Ultimate One, I paid for, and told them I would accept it only by buying it or I would not be part of their project. It's called consignment and the arrangement is simple - I'll field test your product as long as you either sell it to me at a fair price, or I return it to you when I'm finished. But, understand that if I find it to be a quality piece of equipment and that it does exactly, if not more than, it is advertised to do, I'll give my support and relate that information to your prospective customers face to face and in personal correspondence, but I will not single you out in my magazine articles. If your product fails to perform as advertised or is poor quality for whatever reason, I won't trash you publicly, but I also will not mention you to others, even if pressed. I feel a very strong commitment to my readers and their respect for my personal opinion and choose not to offer my endorsement out to anyone with a checkbook and an advertising account with my publishers. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.

I write, like many writers, for specific magazines, but I still am freelance and am my own employee rather than an employee of my publisher. I have the right to speak my mind as I see fit and do everything I can to ensure that I'm never beholding to anyone. But, having said that, you don't give your boss a reason to question your loyalties or common sense either.

You walk a thin line and hope that people understand what you say, as well as what isn't said. You only have to step on a few toes to learn how to dance with finesse. Not lying - just not screwing myself out of a career either.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 08, 2011, 11:11 AM:
 
I'm trading TA in for you Lance... Hahahahahaha!
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 08, 2011, 11:32 AM:
 
It's obvious you know how to write and get your point across Lance. That was a very well written explanation.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 08, 2011, 11:48 AM:
 
Uhhhh,... thanks?, smithers. LOL (That's some scary chit right there.)
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 08, 2011, 12:13 PM:
 
Yea, it's scary. And funny! If JD's gonna cast aspersions that I'm a man whore, I might as well have fun with it. Sorry it was at your expense! Lol!
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 08, 2011, 03:11 PM:
 

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If JD's gonna cast aspersions that I'm a man whore, I might as well have fun with it.

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I think you mean " ass-persions" LOL

I was just messin with ya about being gay buddies with TA.....kinda.

You did insinuate that I`m retarded and hang out with c-sucking brutes.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 08, 2011, 03:25 PM:
 
Yep, it's all good natured ribbing. Idiot is term of endearment...
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 08, 2011, 03:28 PM:
 
It seems kinda like the popular gun magazines. When they test a firearm and do an article, they almost never say a gun is a piece of garbage. They may allude to it with phrases like, "this was an early sample, but such and such company will no doubt get it right." And that's if the writer is trying to be honest. I don't think the major gun companies will loan guns to publications that trash their product outright.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 08, 2011, 04:40 PM:
 
And I don't think this was the case with Charles Shawley. I get PX for free so I can go through some issues to see if I can find out EXACTLY what was said. He is trashing the company and their tactics, not their product, even on his site. 'cept the part where it says the moldings are outsourced, which they may be, which I'm turn would be false advertising on the part of Foxpro. IF IT'S TRUE!!
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 10, 2011, 06:06 PM:
 
Tim the FP has a good vocabulary of sounds many of them as good and better than what WT has, not bragging it is a fact!

You start this out saying that the FP doesn;t have the goods to deliver which again has no merit to it at all. If your happy with the atom continue on with it, plenty more are very happy with all the offerings and sounds from other makers.

You have to much Bill Martz floating around in your head The more you listen and believe in his self promoting drivel the less you allow your mind to learn. It gets to swelled up with BIll M;'s air to allow your ears and brain to listen LOL.

It isn;t so much the e caller or the sounds but the guy working it, no magic potions out there, just alot of common sense and trying things in areas called by others that are different.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 10, 2011, 07:53 PM:
 

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Tim the FP has a good vocabulary of sounds many of them as good and better than what WT has, not bragging it is a fact!

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If your happy with the atom continue on with it, plenty more are very happy with all the offerings and sounds from other makers.

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It isn;t so much the e caller or the sounds but the guy working it, no magic potions out there, just alot of common sense and trying things in areas called by others that are different.

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I agree, but once again you need the sounds that are required to trip the coyotes trigger. The WT has them, just have to learn to use them.. What most people don't get is Bill gives you what sounds you need to do the job, you don't have to go out and make-up new sounds or robb sounds from another company there right there on the list...

Bill or anyone else did'nt have to convince me I needed a WT, the caller did it for them....

If others are happy with other brands of callers Great,I'm happy for them...

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on March 11, 2011, 07:59 AM:
 
Since you are so learned up on the FP sounds Tim, what exactly is it that they are missing when compared to WTs sound library? I doubt you have even heard the FP sounds released in the last couple years, but correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 11, 2011, 08:08 AM:
 
The FP sounds aren't missing anything. The WT sounds are though, 8 bits (16 vs. 24).

Timmy drinks too much kook-aid from the bucket, don't ask such technical questions.
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 11, 2011, 09:23 AM:
 
Tim people add sounds because they like to and also gives them more selection and some that are not over used in a calling/locating situation. One doesn't "NEED" to add sounds but you have the option with the FP. Not married to one source and that is a nice option. Flexibility is never a bad thing!

WT doesn't offer an option for a reason Tim and it isn't because he has you covered with all the proper sounds

I would have asked the same question Cal has, what is FP missing in your opinion that wouldn't get the job done?

I can tell you they have 2 sounds that are awesome for coyotes and both are as good/ and better IMO as any WT sound in various situations. How can I say this? I have used both the FP,and WT and the reactions I get from many of those coyotes during a certain time of the year is repeated over and over again with these 2 sounds. More repeatable than other sounds I have used from the WT line up.

Tim how can you state with such a "matter of fact approach" in your postings when you have yet to use a newer FP caller with FP sounds and tried it to compair results?

Could you get a response with the WT, sure wouldn't be the same but in the end one could kill the coyotes, that is what this is all about correct? NO silver bullet or magic to the E Caller, choices is what it all boils down to.

Got you covered with unique sounds,You mean like 5 week old pup sounds versus 8 week old pup sounds? I mean really? It is OK if you want to bang the WT drum could care less, but don't fall into the trap that the WT is superior to others, I have used the 3 major brands and they all work, but they all offer something different and choices are a good thing not a bad thing. Some just offer more choices is all.

Bill has to promote his product that is how sales are made, I understand that, but to make such outlandish statements he has in the past? Sorry I'm not beating that drum for him. You keep smilin and waving though Knock yourself out.

Just know plenty of people do well using other callers than the WT. In fact if you listen to what Bill tells you, then you should be using the Mighty Atom, as it is far superior calling machine that is far above and beyond the old TOA system correct? So why are you runnin the old dinosaur
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 11, 2011, 10:25 AM:
 
Do you guys realize that you're questioning "Mr. Coyote"? You'll never win as JD pointed out in another thread. Timmy will spin and dance around and then just say that he meant something else...yada yada.

WT has some unique sounds that nobody else has, there's no question there. Trying to state that a predator caller is hindered by not having these is just ludicrious. Not being able to program the caller only hinders the hunter, since it limits what you can use. Being locked into overpriced 16bit sounds is lousy.

If Timmy really believed Muntz as Coyote Whacker pointed out, he'd have a MA-21. Also, if Timmy had some real world experience with the new FP's and sounds, we would've heard about it. Instead, we'll hear some drama about somebody he "hunted" with who had one.

It'll be interesting to hear Timmy's response to these questions. All I can say is get ready for some dancing.
 

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Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on March 11, 2011, 12:40 PM:
 
TundraWookie,I don't know man 16 vs 24 bit.I don't know if I could here a difference or not.I mean when a guy goes down to the local record store and buys a CD aren't they just 16 bit,but not sure on that.I would bet that the Fox Pro sounds as well as alot of the WT sounds kick ass.I mean if I were to here some of the new Fox Pro sounds in 24 bit a long with some WT sounds in 16 bit in lets say some sort of blind test I do not know if I could pick out one outfits prey sounds from the other.I also wonder how many guys that hang out on this site that could pick out Fox pro sounds over WT sounds.But I do think it's just fine that there is an out fit out there that does have an interest in taking prey distress sounds to the next level.I,m down with 24 bit and in fact I would like to get my hands on some of the Fox Pro sounds.Good sound starts with a good recording and ends with good mastering. If any of you guys out there that like to screwing around with recording sounds might like to check out homerecording.com you might find it to be helpful.
And just let me close this thing out my saying I.m a drinking man and damn proud of it. In fact I don't put much stock in any one who doesnt drink or rolls there self a nice fat one from time to time. All others or just to fucking Straight for me any ways.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 11, 2011, 01:07 PM:
 
Cayotaytalker,
I agree with you on the 16 vs 24 deal. It's the fact that WT tries to imply that their caller is capable of something that it honestly doesn't produce. For that matter, I play a lot of MP3 sounds in my cs-24, simply to keep the long sequences down to a manageable file-size.
If you read this:

Sampling rate- Up to 96Khz 24 bit

What do you think?

I'm thinking....24bit 96Khz. In fact it's more like 32kHz 16bit. Old news, nothing new there.

To me, it all comes down to what works at the end of the day. Bogus claims simply doesn't cut it, dead critters does. This one has been beat to death, so I won't drill into it much more. I've used really high end recording equipment and some of my sounds are in the big manufacturer's libraries. I'm still waiting for dancin' Timmy to answer the above questions.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 11, 2011, 01:43 PM:
 

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I don't put much stock in any one who doesnt drink or rolls there self a nice fat one from time to time.

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Posted by Brad Norman (Member # 234) on March 11, 2011, 02:07 PM:
 
Fat girls need love too. Plus, they enjoy it more because they don't get it as often.

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on March 11, 2011, 03:21 PM:
 
Richard I dont drink or smoke I wake up each morning knowing thats about as good or bad as Im gonna feel all day! Kinda like it that way....
The difference is I get to remember all the fun I have and never wake with a hangover or someone
I dont know.

p.s. I do love a pinch of Redman.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 11, 2011, 03:27 PM:
 

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Since you are so learned up on the FP sounds Tim, what exactly is it that they are missing when compared to WTs sound library? I doubt you have even heard the FP sounds released in the last couple years, but correct me if I'm wrong.

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Bill has to promote his product that is how sales are made, I understand that, but to make such outlandish statements he has in the past? Sorry I'm not beating that drum for him. You keep smilin and waving though Knock yourself out.

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Since Bill is banned from most sites you don't see him promoteing his caller or putting adds in any hunting rags. The name ***** itself to anyone who wants a great calling unit....

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 11, 2011, 03:34 PM:
 
Tim,
Tell us what sounds you seem to heavily rely on then that FP doesn't have? I have all of them, so I can compare them and see if the one's you're using are that much different sounding than the competitions. I'll have my MA-21 for sale next season with a ton of sounds on it, so keep your eyes opened Tim, it could probably up your game.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 11, 2011, 03:46 PM:
 

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Tell us what sounds you seem to heavily rely on then that FP doesn't have? I have all of them, so I can compare them and see if the one's you're using are that much different sounding than the competitions. I'll have my MA-21 for sale next season with a ton of sounds on it, so keep your eyes opened Tim, it could probably up your game.

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It depends alot on the coyotes I'm calling to, some times 1 or 2 sounds sometimes more..
You said youreself you have all of them so compare them to what you have on youre F-P..
As for the MA-21, No Thanks.. I'll buy one from Bill if I decide to upgrade...
 

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That tells us everything we need to know about your "experience" with FP

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 11, 2011, 03:59 PM:
 
Nut up bitch!! The man asked a simple question, what sounds do you use that all others pale in comparison? Put up or shut up, throw down Timmy, show your hand, its no secret weapon Timmy, other people have WTs too so save some face and produce something besides your normal bullshit. Lets see what the master uses, I`m sure we will all be amazed, right.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 11, 2011, 04:01 PM:
 
double post

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 11, 2011, 04:03 PM:
 
Tim if you think a 5 second sound bite from the FP site does any of the sounds justice well then sorry man

The CS-24 is far louder and different sounding than an fx-5 for sure!

Tell me how you can tell a general run of the mill coyote calling sound to one needed for those extra spooky coyotes? Have you seen the list of sounds in the FP offerings? Checked out all of the coyote sounds in the mark II offerings? Really? All run of the mill sounds hey

So you haven't used any of the FP sounds to actually try and call coyotes, yet you know they won't work in your area???? How is that possible Tim? If you have the experience and expertise how is that possible?

You then state: I'm not a ADC trapper but when I do go out west calling I like to call in whats there, rather than drive around and look for coyotes that are more ready to come to a call. The sounds on my WT allow me to do this most of the time..

Didn;t you just state calling out west as Cal does so many coyotes most have never heard a caller?

Tim I can tell you aren't much of an ADC guy because if you where you would know that their aren't alot of coyotes around sheep men because their tolerance for them is very low in most cases and your working the same ranches over and over annually, keeping the coyote numbers suppressed at key times to promote more lambs going to market.

You realize that many areas in your state of Minn has a very high coyote density and even places further East than that do you not? Try Indiana sometime and see what the coyote numbers are like there.

Do you have more issues calling to coyotes in these areas, sure for various reasons, but don't think for a moment that the WT is the reason for what success you do have, specially when you have yet to try a FP, you down play what it can do without ever using the sounds or the machine?

Better off to talk to what you know about and not what one doesn't IMO of course.

You ever think Bill was banned for comments he made? I do!

My point being Tim say I bought an atom and say it could be programmed with other sounds and say those other sounds called in coyotes as well as what WT offers, what happens to his sound sales??? Ta Dah they go DOWN!!!! Hence the reason WT will never have an open caller on the market! If the WT sounds where so superior wouldn't the best proof in the pudding be allowing others to add sounds to show the customer base how better off they are with the WT sounds?
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 11, 2011, 04:14 PM:
 
PS If you think OL Bill M can hold a candle to guys like Cal and other good ADC-men as far as coyote knowledge goes you been on the BIll M kool aide list for far to long. Guys that pursue coyotes year round in various situations have more knowledge than some can even comprehend.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 11, 2011, 04:14 PM:
 

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The man asked a simple question, what sounds do you use that all others pale in comparison? Put up or shut up, throw down Timmy, show your hand, its no secret weapon Timmy, other people have WTs too so save some face and produce something besides your normal bullshit

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You then state: I'm not a ADC trapper but when I do go out west calling I like to call in whats there, rather than drive around and look for coyotes that are more ready to come to a call. The sounds on my WT allow me to do this most of the time..

[QUOTE]You then state: I'm not a ADC trapper but when I do go out west calling I like to call in whats there, rather than drive around and look for coyotes that are more ready to come to a call. The sounds on my WT allow me to do this most of the time..

Didn;t you just state calling out west as Cal does so many coyotes most have never heard a caller?

Tim I can tell you aren't much of an ADC guy because if you where you would know that their aren't alot of coyotes around sheep men because their tolerance for them is very low in most cases and your working the same ranches over and over annually, keeping the coyote numbers suppressed at key times to promote more lambs going to market.

You realize that many areas in your state of Minn has a very high coyote density and even places further East than that do you not? Try Indiana sometime and see what the coyote numbers are like there.

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I was refering to S.D. where I do most of my calling. The area is'nt as big as where Cal is and also see's heavy traffic of callers every year, and is less populated with coyotes than the Eastern half of the state.

(Like I said before "I'm not a ADC trapper" so stop refering to me as one.)

As to the comment about the trappers working sheep units. Do the trappers not take the same number of coyotes from year to year??? And dosent the area not fill back in once the breeding pair is removed???? Also to my understanding Cal dose'nt just work sheep units, correct???? Thus fresh ears...........

Yes I'm aware that there are places in Mn that have higher coyote numbers and I'm also aware that they are easier to call.
Most of these areas are to far for me to drive everyday so I don't call them like I used to years ago..
Yes Indiana has good numbers and the callers that I know of that are doing very well use WT callers...

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My point being Tim say I bought an atom and say it could be programmed with other sounds and say those other sounds called in coyotes as well as what WT offers, what happens to his sound sales??? Ta Dah they go DOWN!!!! Hence the reason WT will never have an open caller on the market! If the WT sounds where so superior wouldn't the best proof in the pudding be allowing others to add sounds to show the customer base how better off they are with the WT sounds?

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Thats not the case. The problem is guys with a few bucks to spare will by his callers just for the sounds. Why????? Look on P.M. there are a few guys that have done this already with the help of Wookie.. They bought the older WT's to robb the sounds off of for some reason.. Maybe cause they are better..

P.S. to youre P.S.

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To my understanding some of Bill's customers are in fact ADC men. And this is where some of his knowledge comes from, from input or results that they themselves have had by useing his product....

I was missing a piece to the puzzle and Bill was nice enough to help me out. And you know what!! The info was pretty dam good and put a few more difficult coyotes in the truck...
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on March 11, 2011, 05:54 PM:
 
Boy, the host has only been gone for hours and it's already come to this.

Tim, I was impressed with your reply preceeding this one. I don't wanna put words in your mouth, but it's almost as if you left some room for Foxpro products not to be complete junk. Way to mix in some moderation!

Something funny though, I have heard exactly the opposite of what you have heard regarding the quality of sounds. A certain guy from WY came up with some new ones within the last year or so, and believe me, they ain't junk.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 11, 2011, 06:06 PM:
 
Jim they are not complete junk and I'm sure they work well for those that use them and like all the bells and whistles..
All I'm saying is they fall a little short on vocabulary thats all...

I'm not trying to sell anyone a WT or am I looking to buy a F-P.

Speaking of Wyoming I also know a guy thats lives out there. He owns a couple F-P and bought a WT a few years back.. He E-mailed me one day asking for a little help with his WT. He seemed to be a pretty nice guy so I decided to help him out on useing the WT.. I shared a little info with him and now he is killing more coyotes than he has done before and he also now prefers to use his WT over the F-P's that he owns.. There mustbe a good reason why....
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on March 11, 2011, 06:14 PM:
 
I knew I shouldn't have, but I just couldn't help myself.

Bless the pygmies and stuff.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 11, 2011, 06:46 PM:
 

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He seemed to be a pretty nice guy so I decided to help him out on useing the WT.. I shared a little info with him and now he is killing more coyotes than he has done before and he also now prefers to use his WT over the F-P's that he owns.. There mustbe a good reason why....

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Who is this mystery man? Show us where he contacted you, I`ll call him tonight and explain to him that your integrity is at stake and we just need to ask him a few questions, whadya say Timmy, or will it just be more of your vague bullshit?

If you're willing to share closely guarded insider secrets with this guy why not share it with all of us? This would be your big chance to shut me up, to prove that you are in fact the real deal and finally get the respect that you deserve..........so how bout it? yes? Lets get this done, the sooner we do this the quicker I can start apologizing for calling bullshit on you.

I`ll be waiting Timmo.
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 11, 2011, 06:56 PM:
 
Tim, all Bill has to do is format his sounds to a file like FP does. Nice try covering for the REAL reason he will never have an open sound system, Money,Money and did I forget Money.

He knows you buy his closed system caller you have to comeback for sounds.No other choice.

FP sounds don't sound so good, again you baseing this off of what? 5 seconds on your puter and what some guy says? To make an informed opinion one needs to use the product Tim.

Tim you call on or very near to the ****** *********** do you not? The same place where little to no predator control takes place, the coyote numbers there are very high compaired to sheep ranchers. Your main control tool there is mange. Yet still alot of coyotes.

NO you slow down the encroachment of breeding pairs if you remove them at the right times of the year and from the right areas.

Tim go down by Douglas,WY and see how many coyotes you call in and kill in a week, then get back to me with your opinion ok?

Your going to have more coyotes in areas of cattle and good habitat because their needs are different than the sheepmen. The sheepmen have a longer window of issues overall.

When your calling in the fall and early winter your calling to the highest population of the year when your calling in the spring and summer your calling to the lowest point of the population and those that have made it through the fall and winter.

Tim get a chance listen to what your missing you might even suprise your self

Yep OL Bill I will never forget the time he stated he could run out coyote pairs from their territory with his caller and sounds
 

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Who is this mystery man? Show us where he contacted you, I`ll call him tonight and explain to him that your integrity is at stake and we just need to ask him a few questions, whadya say Timmy, or will it just be more of your vague bullshit?

If you're willing to share closely guarded insider secrets with this guy why not share it with all of us? This would be your big chance to shut me up, to prove that you are in fact the real deal and finally get the respect that you deserve..........so how bout it? yes? Lets get this done, the sooner we do this the quicker I can start apologizing for calling bullshit on you.

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FP sounds don't sound so good, again you baseing this off of what? 5 seconds on your puter and what some guy says? To make an informed opinion one needs to use the product Tim.

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When your calling in the fall and early winter your calling to the highest population of the year when your calling in the spring and summer your calling to the lowest point of the population and those that have made it through the fall and winter.

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Yep OL Bill I will never forget the time he stated he could run out coyote pairs from their territory with his caller and sounds

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Depends on how big there terr. is and the coyotes you are calling too.. I have done it here myself due to not knowing what I was calling to and the size of the area they where held up in made it difficult to get in and call them.. This worked to my advantage though. The coyotes ended up moveing into a smaller section to where we could go in on foot and hunt them...
I'm sure this would'nt work out west in the areas where coyotes have larger terr., they would just move back deeper into it is all...
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 11, 2011, 07:38 PM:
 
And one more thing you toothless dink, Andy just had surgery, the funny thing is that I hunted with him just a few days before he was scheduled to go under the knife & I`ll bet we hunt again before summer. I doubt you could hold a candle to Andy when it comes to hunting and knowledge thereof. Of course I don't think he has any double secret ultra awesome special coyote sounds on his caller so you probably got him there.

LMAO....You are without a doubt the biggest douche noodle I've ever come across. LOL
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 11, 2011, 07:43 PM:
 
JD YOU BEEN A ASS MOST OF YOURE LIFE WHY WOULD i WANT TO HELP YOU OUT WITH YOURE CALLING PROBLEMS..
Maybe next year or the year after you will figure it out, then again maybe not.. In the mean time I'll just keep on doing what works for me...
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 11, 2011, 07:46 PM:
 
I've met Andy and a hunter he is not. His heart is'nt in it... As for the surgery well you can figure out what I have to say about that...LOL..
 

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JD YOU BEEN A ASS MOST OF YOURE LIFE WHY WOULD i WANT TO HELP YOU OUT WITH YOURE CALLING PROBLEMS..
Maybe next year or the year after you will figure it out, then again maybe not.. In the mean time I'll just keep on doing what works for me...

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Since you are close with Andy and he is such a good hunter did you ask him how he did on the big buck in his back yard..

I'll save you some time. Andy decided to stay home on the couch cause his kids basicly told him to get fucked and they were'nt going hunting with him.. So then the guy that lives next door shot it...LOL
Then he has the balls to come on here crying about how some guy shot his deer... According to Andy the guy shot it from the road I guess which was'nt good.. But if he would of been out there maybe he would of had a chance...
You know the old saying: You snooze you Lose..

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Thats not true unless Andy was lieing before.. He said he did'nt like me cause one time I told him just before the camp out that his "Heart was'nt in hunting".. I told him that hopeing to get a fire going under him so he would make it to the camp-out, at the time I thought he was kinda cool.. But hey we all make mistakes even me..

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 11, 2011, 09:50 PM:
 
Tim, you are talking straight out of your ass. Your account of events is fascinating to say the least.

I wasn't asking for your help ass nugget, I was calling you out, which you handily avoided with more of your bullshitish drivel.

I know what happened with the deer, the neighbor shot it from the road, another reason to hate you road hunters.

Are you trying to tell me that you were on a mission to be inspirational to poor Andy? Thats fucking priceless!!!!LMAO

Your delusions are growing stronger aren't they. Just remember Timmy, the truth will find you out.

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 11, 2011, 10:26 PM:
 
WTF! You got a wife.. Whats his name?? Poor kids mustbe adopted huh????
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 12, 2011, 04:49 AM:
 
Tim he wasn't meaning he could scare them back in somewhere, he meant vacate the area for a period of time! I will make you the same bet 500.00 if you can get them out of an area when they are killing livestock to feed pups, if they don't come back to kill you get 500.00 if after your black magic is performed they do you owe me 500.00. Like I said great way to end issues, just tell the rancher I'm going chase these here coyotes away, so they don't kill your livestock anymore

It doesn't take a great machine or sounds to shy coyotes back away Tim, there is no magic in that!

AS to the rest Tim it sounded as your responses where word for word from the great ones website

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 12, 2011, 05:17 AM:
 
found this pic on the web of TA and his new hunting buddy, yukking it up after a hot day afield with the secret sounds...
It was taken by a security cam at a Holiday Inn Express last night, outside of Deadwood, SD...



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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on March 12, 2011, 06:30 AM:
 
LMAO!!! Tiger blood!
 

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Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on March 12, 2011, 06:30 AM:
 
TundraWookie,thanks I will read up on that stuff. I have known that sennheiser mics are well thought of for along time now. Of course a guy should purchase the best gear he can some mid range gear could be used to capture some useable recordings as well.
My setup is more like a studio,one mic stand and three mics along with two pieces of out board gear. It did not take me all that long to hit a bit of a wall I can only have a few sounds I can make with a hand call.The only direction I have left to go in is to gear up and get out in the field and capture some live sounds.
 

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Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on March 12, 2011, 09:21 AM:
 
TundraWookie,I took a look at the Sound Devices 722 nice very nice recorder.At $2,495.00 I,m sure it was worth it. And I thought the $888.00 for the Tascam HD-P2 was a bit over the top.
The mics I have is a matched pair of behringer C-2's and a studio MXL-2008.The Tascam HD-P2 recorder is more my speed.
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on March 12, 2011, 10:12 AM:
 
LMAO!!! Tiger blood!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 12, 2011, 10:14 AM:
 

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It doesn't take a great machine or sounds to shy coyotes back away Tim, there is no magic in that!

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Did'nt say it did. I was just agreeing to what Bill said...
Don't know about out west but here you can pressure a coyote enough to get it to move out of a area for a time. One of the reason why some guys can't call them in or the coyotes are not in the area where they saw all the sign...A caller moves into a area and makes a stand and gets to agressive with the sounds he uses.. As you know it has to do with a coyotes comfort level and here its pretty low.. Move into a area with higher numbers and more cover with big sections and the comfort level increases...
By reading the forums two of the most used sounds other than rabbit is pup distress and challendge howls. Both sounds do work from time to time but they also scare more away than what they call in.. But thats ok cause it leaves more coyotes for the rest of us that know better...
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 12, 2011, 11:46 AM:
 
Do you think you can walk on water too Timmy? Too bad you don't have all of the WT Coyote vocals or else you'd really think you were something special. Then we'd have to hear you toot your horn about those beyond spooky spooky coyotes that you think you could call. Actually, it's too bad that you don't have the new FoxPro sounds on the WT or else you'd really have something.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 12, 2011, 12:08 PM:
 

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Yes I have walked on water a few times after it has rained, walked across a few frozen lakes as well..

How do you know I don't?? I know quit a few guys with the older WT's and some have had them before you even heard of one..
What youre post tells me is you don't know how to use the coyote vocals cause if you did you would know you don't need all of them that WT has to offer to call in the difficult coyotes...

"No magic sounds, just need to know how and when to use them"
Still learning myself but I can see I'm a little farther up the ladder than you...LOL

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 12, 2011, 12:25 PM:
 
Up until about a year ago you were a self proclaimed road hunter, Scott and Randy showed you some stuff and now you claim that you're a self made man and know more than most.

When you make reference to "knowing quite a few guys" who do this or who own that or who hunt a certain way.....how many is "quite a few guys"? and where are they? Surely at least ONE of these mysterious "quite a few" are on the web and could verify some of what you say. Please tell them to stop by share their experiences with us.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 12, 2011, 01:28 PM:
 
Timmy,
I have a cache of old WT's with coyote sounds they don't even offer anymore. Well...they offer the sounds, just diced up into several $ounds.

If you had a clue about AK, you'd realize that there are wuffs here and coyote vocals aren't the key ingredient to calling coyotes. I've used them (vocals) and had minimal success doing so, but not as much success as prey distress sounds.

Trust me Timothy, I have more WT coyote sounds than you do. Post your list online here and I'll post mine for you and we'll just see who has more. I'd wager you $1000 I have more than you do. Put your money where your mouth is if you doubt it. Mine are all open source .wav files. Don't be shy, you don't have to tell us what your "magic" sounds are.

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You do realize when you're walking in the rain you're actually on the ground? If you doubt this, lift up your foot and check out what's under it.

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 12, 2011, 01:54 PM:
 

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You must have me mixed up with Andy or someone else. Those that know me know that I have been calling coyotes since the 80's and redfox prior to that.. And yes I also hunt coyotes by other means wether it be shooting from the road (Legal here)hunt and stalk, or group hunting.. I don't limit myself to different ways of getting them. Just like others, some call coyotes and use trap and snares, some use dogs and some use snow-machines or airplanes.. Some guys limit them selves to just hand calls or like me use both hand calls or E-callers.. As others also know I don't hunt them just for the satifaction of killing something so I can beat my chest, I don't hunt them to protect someone's deer or cattle or sheep, I hunt them for the hides..
Thats kinda why I hung out on J.H. board, we have simular interests but they went a little overboard on that site.. (Too much cool-aid)
Yep Scott and Randy fed me a few bits and pieces and stressed on things that I was takeing for granted, I new about certain things just did'nt think it was that important at the time.. They also gave me little tips and left it up to me to figure the rest out which made calling coyotes more exciteing.. As for the rest I picked up from the coyotes, you would be surprised what you can learn from listening to them and watching there body language...
As for my coyotes at home I figured out pretty much on my own..

As for the last remark. Why should I!! I don't need anyone to speak for me.. You would think a few picks of a few dead coyotes wouldbe enough that have been taken at different times of the year...
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 12, 2011, 02:06 PM:
 

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If you had a clue about AK, you'd realize that there are wuffs here and coyote vocals aren't the key ingredient to calling coyotes. I've used them (vocals) and had minimal success doing so, but not as much success as prey distress sounds.

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Yep! I also call in a majority of my coyotes with prey distress when calling in the Dakotas and then there are times when prey distress sounds just are'nt enough when used by themselves..

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 12, 2011, 02:43 PM:
 
You don't even know how to use a bullet puller. How do you expect us to believe that you know how to use an electrical device correctly?
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 12, 2011, 03:21 PM:
 
No problems useing an electrical device. Can even operate a minaska E-caller.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f208/TA17Rem/08%20coyote/IMG_1448.jpg[/IMG]]
 

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This season he seems to be doing better so the advice he got from Roede must of helped along with the instruction he got from Q and I believe Scott gave some advice as well but can't say for sure...

As for cleaver Gary he just a big fucking fraud. Everything he preaches about shot-gun tatics you can get off the net. or from anyone thats used a shotgun for hunting.. But like anything else it just boils down to personnel preference and how much time you spend behind the trigger on one.. You go out and shoot five seperate groups with a shotgun useing same loads and if all five pattern exactly the same then perhaps I'll listen to him.. But you know what!! Its not going to happen due to the fact that a shot-gun is unable to shoot the same pattern over and over.....Its not a rifle its a scatter gun for those that can't shoot a rifle very well at coyotes up close..
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 13, 2011, 06:11 AM:
 
Tim the more you talk the less I can tell you really know about coyotes at this time of year, not a slam just the truth from my view point.

Time stated: Its not a rifle its a scatter gun for those that can't shoot a rifle very well at coyotes up close..

Tim that was a silly statement really was. Hunt in areas of cover, real cover and other times of the year and you would see a shotgun will add coyotes to your take that you can't get near as easy with a magnafied scoped rifle. NO larger field of view than your own 2 eyes Tim.

Silly thread really you keep using WT and others will do the same with the FP CS-24 and their sounds, life goes on and all are happy.

Good hunting to you! Just keep smilin and wavin Tim.

If I may offer some advice nothing more or less, drop the Martz persona and you can have a better life. Be happy you are doing what you love to do Tim and be a kind and considerate person.

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 13, 2011, 09:02 AM:
 
Tim,
Honestly, I don't need your help with what coyote vocal use. I've read and watched the same kool-aid pumping WT video you've watched. The methods in there simply are not consistent here. You should listen to the advice these guys are giving you here and just cut your losses now. Anybody could see that there are some really experienced veterans on this forum and you're not one of them.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 13, 2011, 09:25 AM:
 
It must have been really hard to tell, tim, because I don't recall having any struggles with my coyotes for a number of years so any interpretation of my posts to that conclusion must have been part and parcel to the delusional rantings in your mind. LOL Pictures of piles of dead coyotes are, in your mind, struggling? LOL I've tried to post pics of coyotes here if for no other reason that that this is a hunting board, specifically a coyote hunting board and it seems that all too often, we talk less about hunting and waste more and more of our time trying to get the wheels back on the rail after dealing with distractions, i.e., you. We should call you "timmy tangent". LOL

I certainly would never want to take anything away from Randy or Quinton, but my conversations with them the past three years or so have been more of a personal nature rather than seeking advice. Both of these gentlemen are top shelf coyote hunters, both are more than willing to share their insights into coyotes and calling coyotes when asked, and we have shared our personal observations about the coyotes in our respective areas, but as much as I respect both of them, I do not rely on them to make me better at what I do. In fact, and I'm sure that those who have shared a stand with me - whether that's been in Kansas, the plains of Colorado, the Rockies, or the Nebraska sandhills - will attest to the fact that I am more than capable of holding my own when calling coyotes - anywhere. I don't, as a rule, offer up much in the way of unsolicited advice on the web anymore simply because what I know and how I'm willing to share it is the product I sell to my publishers. They pay me for my experience, my experiences and my commentary on that and in exchange, they get what their readers regard to be sound, legitimate advice. Through something of a peer review process, I am still here, after all these years, writing away and happy to have the respect of my peers, as well as a small compensation for my efforts. My advice, and my opinions and information are worth what my readers seek as represented by their continued subscribing, and by what my publishers pay me for them, as are yours.

Now, having said that, I do not presume myself to be the apex predator within these circles. I know a lot of hunters who are better at this than I am, present company excluded, but who couldn't string two words together if they had to. That's where we are different. The good Lord gave me two ears, one mouth, and the ability to write for a reason. Everyone has their own story to tell. None of us knows everything there is to know about the coyote - present company included - but each of us, through our own experiences in the field, owns our own little piece of the puzzle. If you have the ability to remain objective and be a good listener, you'd be amazed at the pearls of wisdom you can glean from even the most benign conversation. For anyone - even you - to state that they don't learn anything from the experiences of others is simply absurd, smacks of your own ignorance, and is very clearly a sign of some sort of disconnect in your mind. At least, by comparison, you make the rest of us feel better about ourselves. LOL

One thing remains certain - I've yet to have to pay anyone for what I can just as easily learn on my own. My trips to hunt elsewhere have been through the generous willingness of others to share the hunting experience with me, and the friendships borne of mutual respect that have been forged in those experiences. To pass off those you've had to pay for tutelage as your supporters and friends is not a bit unlike taking a whore to prom and telling everyone she's your girlfriend.

As far as Scott, and again, not to take anything away from him, the sum total of our interaction the past several years has been a single e-mail I sent him addressing what I felt were some interesting observations of packing behavior as it relates to long-term strategies when calling. He replied with his own insights which, though interesting and very informative, were more general observations about coyotes and coyote hunting and offered no commentary on how I might better approach the situations I'd seen. Of course, I hadn't asked for his help because I didn't then, nor now, feel that I needed it, and he appropriately and respectfully didn't offer any. Just two guys talking about coyote calling and coyotes. It does happen, and with not so much as a dime exchanged between the two.

Your perception and interpretation of the world around you is truly interesting, tim. Assuming that your view of coyotes is similar to how you view yourself and others, I'm truly shocked that you call and kill anything. Hell, I'm shocked that you even know your way back home at the end of the day. LOL
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 13, 2011, 09:25 AM:
 
You are rude pestilent little children. TA does what he does and gets the job done, his way, in his area. He has opinions. So do you and I do to. If you don't like his posts, don't read 'em.
There is s function on here to Block User's Posts. I suggest you use it.
I have Opinions and theories and real life experience about calls, sounds, hunting techniques etc. But, I don't express them much because of douche bags questioning the minutia and not the meat.
TA, doles out advice, take it or leave it. If you don't think you can learn something from someone that has been calling for fewer years than you, you ARE a pompous ass know- it- all

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 13, 2011, 09:37 AM:
 
Heck, smithers. If we blocked out tim's posts on all the boards he goes to, the predator hunting boards would pretty much just power down and fall over dead.

Either way, how do I block his posts? I'm not finding the "mute" button.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 13, 2011, 09:58 AM:
 

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Tim.... I locate them at nite and also drive around each section dureing the day.

Me......This is the part where you shoot out the window, yes?

Tim.......I don't have to shoot out the window, I get a better rest off the hood of the truck..

Me......You just told the entire hunting community that you locate at night and then run the damn coyotes with the crew during the day.

Tim.......Yes, started doing that last year. Just another way of getting them. I also locate for when I'm going to call them as well..

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 13, 2011, 12:58 PM:
 
You got banned at PM because you use a WT? Please explain how that one went down. There are a lot of WT users on there that haven't been banned. What really happened?
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 13, 2011, 01:32 PM:
 
Come on tundra wookie, everyone knows if you use a WT others are so jealous at the amazing success had, that No one allows them to post on any sites because of all the great attributes of such a wonderful and amazing product. They have to keep the other caller companies in business so they just ban WT users period!

I thought everyone was privy to this information

It has nothing to do with content of post's, language or tone nothing at all. A pure and concise undoing of the best pure and simple.

[ March 13, 2011, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: coyote whacker ]
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 13, 2011, 02:06 PM:
 
Man oh man... they better do something about the WT advertiser on there then, cause that could get ugly.
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on March 13, 2011, 04:58 PM:
 
but each of us, through our own experiences in the field, owns our own little piece of the puzzle. If you have the ability to remain objective and be a good listener, you'd be amazed at the pearls of wisdom you can glean from even the most benign conversation.

true words of wisdom .up untill last year i was a TRUE rookie at calling coyotes. i spent some time with BradT. and have also talked with JamieO and Randy R. these guys do it for a living and i learned a ton form asking them ??'s . they've been very willing to help me along and i truly thank them. i've called in and killed 5 times more coyotes this year than any other year and could have not done it without picking the brains of these guys and LISTENING to what they told me. these guys ai'nt bullshitters and i took there word to heart and it upped my killes x times. Tim. i'm not gonna jump on the band wagon and trash you. you've killed alot of coyotes and i respect the hell outta that. just TRY to understand that sometimes it better to say nothing than something . i will say i DO like the WT's coyote sounds over the FoxPro ones.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 13, 2011, 06:40 PM:
 
Ok so I went over to the F-P site and checked out there sounds again.. I'll admitt they have some good sounding coyote howls but it looks like most of them are just females howls. They could use a few more male vocals along with some younger coyotes. There is kind of a big gapp in the vocals with other types of howls missing..

I noticed they removed the Bill Austines female invite so I assume they did'nt buy the rights to it.. Hmmmm

I checked out the rabbit sounds and will also admitt one of them provided by Cal sounds really good but useing it on windy days maybe a big factor ...
I could'nt help but notice that they also have one of Ed Sceery's rabbit distress sounds, wounder if they bought the rights it or maybe just borrowing it till Ed finds out..Hmmm
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 13, 2011, 06:45 PM:
 
Since Cal's coyote sounds are from real coyotes, I suspect that they'll do fine. As far as using Ed Sceery's sounds without rights, bold accusation on your part. Maybe you don't recall the multi-year shit storm between Fox Pro, Hunter's Specialties, Minaska and pretty much everyone else making and marketing e-callers and what all of them had to do to allow access to one another's libraries so that they could routinely review the other guys' offerings for copyright infringements. Making sure that the sounds they offer are legally offered is a priority with everyone and I seriously doubt that your assertion will be met with much humor on their part.

You honestly can't man up and admit you might have made a mistake without throwing a back handed remark in there somewhere, can you?

Rather than me harping on the continued problem, allow me to suggest a solution. You should have stopped with,

"Ok so I went over to the F-P site and checked out there sounds again.. I'll admitt they have some good sounding coyote howls."

You keep saying you neither asked for or need anyone's help. Trust me, you need help. Further allow me to point something out to you. I don't know how closely VHA and the Mr. Coyote Contest work with major players in the industry, like, well, Fox Pro, but if you keep talking crap on them, you're likely to find out when FP comes knocking on their door asking them why their guy is out saying the stuff and making the accusations that you're saying and making but it truly pains me to see you lighting the bridge pilings beneath you while you're standing in the middle of the bridge. Whether you realize it or not, your accepting that award associates you with their organization and they have to be regretting their decision by now.By the time you get finished, you'll not only be less than nobody in the calling community, you'll have gotten yourself black balled, if you haven't already. Again, just trying to help you out here.

[ March 13, 2011, 06:57 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 13, 2011, 07:00 PM:
 
Tim, you are a First Class Fucking Ass Hole.

I don't think you are actually supid enough to believe your own bullshit. Foxpro, stealing copyrighted sounds? You know it's not true. But you throw it out there anyway.

Fuck You. Very much. You sorry piece of shit.

If I ever see you in person, know this, I'm gonna punch you right in your fucking tit.

- Dave Affleck
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 13, 2011, 07:12 PM:
 
I checked out the rabbit sounds and will also admit one of them provided by Cal sounds really good but using it on windy days maybe a big factor

Tim, not with the CS24 or Prairie Blaster

Loud man Loud

That is the one thing that irks me with OL' Bill he does a comparison test with something not comparable LOL. Again a reason for doing so, he knows the difference would be nill if he compared apples to apples.

That would be like one AMP maker compairing the arrtibutes of their 200 watt amp with the competitors 50 watt amp, pure drivel is what most educated people would see. Would that hurt or help their sales wasting time on such a comparison?

[ March 13, 2011, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: coyote whacker ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 13, 2011, 08:08 PM:
 
I did'nt say they are stealing anyones sounds, I said they must of borrowed them with out the owners permission..

I mentioned a few month's back that they had one of Bill Austines sounds female invite. Someone must of tipped them off or gave a heads up on it and I see its no longer available...
Now tonight I saw and heard one of Ed's rabbit sounds, If you have ever heard one of Ed's live rabbit recordings you would know there is no other sound out there like it..
I understand that people send sounds in all the time to F-P hopeing they can use them, well in this case someone is claiming Ed's sounds as there own and F-P is useing it as far as I know with-out permission..

I know cleaver Gary did the same at Minaska a few years back, he changed the sound somewhat but was still the same signature and people at both ends were'nt very happy about it..

Any way I'll be getting in touch with Ed and if he gave them permission to use it then no worries right????
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 13, 2011, 08:20 PM:
 

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I don't know how closely VHA and the Mr. Coyote Contest work with major players in the industry, like, well, Fox Pro, but if you keep talking crap on them, you're likely to find out when FP comes knocking on their door asking them why their guy is out saying the stuff and making the accusations that you're saying and making

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As far as I know F-P was'nt a sponsor for the Mr. Coyote, Nikon was though and I tried to give them a good repore on there scope but most people that have never tried one said they were'nt any good.. As far as being black balled what they going to black ball me from???
I don't sell anything and I don't do the pro-staff gigg either. I do one calling contest and shooting contest a year as a invite nothing more.
"I seems awhile back it was ok if Wookie came on here and other sites just to bad mouth WT which is ok, but not ok for me to speak"..
Have you noticed its mostly the same guys that jump on here with the wrong conclusions...

So I admitted F-P has a few good sounds "whoopy"
Do you honestly exspect me to say they are better than what Bill has on hand...
Some are as good from what I can hear but no there are not any better, but then again dose it really matter.. I have no plans to go out and buy one and if I happen to win one in a contest i would just sell it or give it away...

[ March 13, 2011, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on March 13, 2011, 09:24 PM:
 
Wait, this can't be the end. I didn't see a snappy reply to Dave's post. I must have missed it, that's the only explanation.

All things considered Tim, that was a resounding endorsement for Foxpro. Far beyond anything I ever expected, regardless of what you honestly think. Are you actually trying to collect some credibility? Big first step, my man, HUGE. But listen Dick Tracy, don't you suppose that if FP was stupid enough to "accidentally, kinda, sorta borrow" a sound without authorization, someone within the industry, maybe even someone you hold in high regard, would have thrown the flag a loooong time ago. I'm sure Ed will be happy you called and are looking out for him anyway.

A word of advice, even if you suspect something like that, it's not a good idea to say it on the WWW without proof. That sort of thing tends to piss off the people being defamed. This is a pretty small and tight group, so you might be OK. If you posted that at other forums, I suspect a hand slap may have been in order. You might get one anyway. Good news is that anyone who knows you, or of you, realizes that it's just another misstep on a long trail. See the above credibility reference.

Actually, the more I think about it, if I was the one you are "insinuating" could possibly have done something they shouldn't have, and considering the history, I'd do it just to teach you a lesson and slap you down a bit. Some humility sure wouldn't hurt. But even acknowledging you would infer credibility...tough choice.

Somebody lock Tim's edit button, lol.

Man, LB is gonna get bent when he sees what fun he missed, lol.

edited to add more

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 13, 2011, 09:51 PM:
 
Timmy boy,
What FP rabbit sound do think FP is illegally "borrowing"?

Do your homework on the WT stuff I said and you'll see that it's correct. They've used MP3 sounds when they advertised CD quality, the sounds have been digitally edited (copy-paste)...and so on. If you doubt this put your money where your mouth is.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 13, 2011, 10:05 PM:
 

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Timmy boy,
What FP rabbit sound do think FP is illegally "borrowing"?

Do your homework on the WT stuff I said and you'll see that it's correct. They've used MP3 sounds when they advertised CD quality, the sounds have been digitally edited (copy-paste)...and so on. If you doubt this put your money where your mouth is.

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Don't worry Wookie its been taken care of.
As for the rest dose it really matter as long as the sounds work just as good if not better than everyone else's...

Yep this shit should keep Leonard busy for a spell...LOL

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What FP rabbit sound do think FP is illegally "borrowing"?

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Maybe its one that you sold them..
If it is indeed what I think it is someone's going to loose a little money...

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 14, 2011, 05:13 AM:
 
You can't just answer a question without fancy foot dancin' can you? I guess it comes naturally though when you put your foot in your mouth all the time. Rather than just try to apologize for your wild accusation, you put more wood on the fire by saying "If it is indeed what I think it is someone's going to loose a little money". Wow!!
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on March 14, 2011, 05:42 AM:
 
Not that it matters, and I can't believe I'm going to respond to Tim again, but Foxpro paid well for the rights to some of Austins sounds. Then after working to develop thier own real coyote sounds they were dropping all sounds made with a handcall. I still have a couple of the Austin sounds that I use regularly, because they work well, but Foxpros goal was to move away from all the sounds that weren't real live coyotes. As far as the Sceery sounds, Tim have you heard the term "slander"? I'm not speaking for Foxpro, but it would seem to me that in a case like this, they would have a case? They simply and quickly prove you wrong and the sue you out of your other tooth!
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 14, 2011, 06:07 AM:
 
Dave, Thank you for putting into words so perfectly what so many of us have wanted to say.

This is one of my favorite quotes from another board.

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Arguing with Tim is a complete waste of time. He is without a doubt one of the few times it's OK to disregard the message and just kill the messenger.

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Cal, actually it's "libel" and Timmy is in it deep at the moment, your assessment of the situation is accurate, all they have to do is prove him wrong. But to take his last tooth....damn, that's harsh

 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 14, 2011, 06:34 AM:
 
Tim posted: Do you honestly expect me to say they are better than what Bill has on hand...

NO Tim because even if you thought they where, I doubt anyone would hear it.

Tim I have stated in the past that at one time WT had the best sounds out there, that was factual at the time but technology and times change and some are catching up and some sounds are taking over those of WT, things do not stay static they are always changing and those that want to be the forefront of an industry will change to make their products better, not a bad thing but a great thing for the consuming public.

Cal put it very nicely they are getting away from non 100% live animal recordings because some have bashed them for not having such, a few years back, so now they do have them and you want to insinuate they have stolen sounds? That is a reach.

A also agree with Cal I have some recorded sounds made from mouth calls that I still use why? They work so what difference does it really make as long as the coyotes like them.

What we hear and think of a sound can be totally different that what they hear and think of A sound, wind,humidity,temp, location and sound manipulation due to geographic changes all play into it. Bottom line is, if it works it works.

Don't forget that in areas of heavy e caller use some of these so called lower quality sounds can be just the ticket. Easy to figure out why.
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 14, 2011, 08:14 AM:
 
Just FYI for anyone interested...

TA sent me a note with the rabbit sound he's accusing Foxpro of stealing. It's L50 Scream-n-Rabbit.

I've recorded a lot of rabbit sounds for Foxpro myself, but haven't ever kept track of which ones are which in the library. Thought it would be just too damn funny if this was one I recorded though. So I called Steve Dillon a few minutes ago to find out if it was me that recorded this sound.

Steve checked his records real quick and it turns out that he recorded this one himself. On May 24, 2006. Fully documented of course, Foxpro inc. owns a registered copyright on it and all that good stuff.

I asked Steve about the Austin coyote sounds too. It's exactly like Cal said, they took them down because too many people were complaining that they weren't live animals. He said that if there were enough guys wanting them again, he could put them back up though, Foxpro still owns those sounds. But even if they don't get added back to the library, I'm sure that anyone who really had to have them loaded on their caller could just call Foxpro and ask. They are always real good about working with customers like that.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 14, 2011, 08:46 AM:
 
I just got home and somebody without any balls sent me anonymous email telling me that I am doing great harm to the environment by allowing TA to post on Huntmasters.

But then, you guys wouldn't have any fun. El Bee
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 14, 2011, 09:07 AM:
 
Tim's answer of "its been taken care of" is probably the only apology we'll hear too. You give all predator hunters a bad name TA rimjobber.
 

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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on March 14, 2011, 09:23 AM:
 
DAA, I'm not familiar with the lingo behind Foxpro's newer sound titles although I have heard samples of most of them and hunted behind quite a few.

I don't think anyone really believes Foxpro would try and steal or remaster a competitors sound but I am still curious about something.

I recently saw a video on the NPHA forums where a guy talked up the Foxpro unit before & after his hunt... and used sounds strikingly similar to WT sounds throughout the scene. He seemed comfortable behind the camera and very confident in the Foxpro brand, so I couldn't imagine him using WT sounds given the context of his clip... which appeared to be promotional.

This left me curious if the two companies were now marketing recordings of the same species that were so VERY similar. Obviously a duck can only quack so many different ways, no harm there, I just wonder if some specific sounds are going to start getting a lot more air-time around my coyotes?
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 14, 2011, 09:25 AM:
 
"I just got home and somebody without any balls sent me anonymous email telling me that I am doing great harm to the environment by allowing TA to post on Huntmasters."
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I don't believe that Tim is harming the environment. He is only making enemies for himself.
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 14, 2011, 09:29 AM:
 
"TA sent me a note with the rabbit sound he's accusing Foxpro of stealing. It's L50 Scream-n-Rabbit."
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I wonder if that is the sound that a guy tried to steal from Foxpro but it didn't work out well for him.
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on March 14, 2011, 09:59 AM:
 
Oh, please let him stay Leonard! The entertainment value is worth the aggravation, to me anyway.
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 14, 2011, 10:12 AM:
 
I'm with Cal.Give him more rope...Please.....lol
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on March 14, 2011, 10:12 AM:
 
Posted by JRBhunter:

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I recently saw a video on the NPHA forums where a guy talked up the Foxpro unit before & after his hunt... and used sounds strikingly similar to WT sounds throughout the scene. He seemed comfortable behind the camera and very confident in the Foxpro brand, so I couldn't imagine him using WT sounds given the context of his clip... which appeared to be promotional.

This left me curious if the two companies were now marketing recordings of the same species that were so VERY similar. Obviously a duck can only quack so many different ways...

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Sounds more like a promotion for the NPHA to me! Seems a duck can only quack so many ways!!!

Nikonut
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 14, 2011, 10:17 AM:
 
Rich can you E-mail me youre phone number and do you have the sound in question on youre caller?????
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 14, 2011, 10:33 AM:
 
Why do you need to hear the sound Tim? YOu can't play it on your WT anyways.
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 14, 2011, 11:08 AM:
 

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I just wonder if some specific sounds are going to start getting a lot more air-time around my coyotes?

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Tim's answer of "its been taken care of" is probably the only apology we'll hear too.

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...my question was, is the new Foxpro library offering sounds that are *THIS* similar to WT's?(LINK)

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I just watched the video. I'm not completely sure, as I'm really not all that familiar with either the Foxpro or WT sound libraries, but I don't think that is a Foxpro sound? If I had to guess, I would say that's the WT snowshoe?

Is that what you are trying to say? If so, then, yeah, it does sound like the guy in the video put a WT sound on his Foxpro.

But, the way you have phrased it, as if this sound came from the Foxpro library, seems like you are implying that Foxpro had something to do with it. Which, I'm sure they didn't, and, actually I resent the implication, frankly.

I've got sounds on my Foxpro units that didn't come from their library too. Just happens that I recorded them myself, but, you can put Jimmy Hendrix playing the Star Spangled Banner on your Foxpro if you want to, or WT sounds if you have them.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on March 14, 2011, 03:22 PM:
 
Dave,

I'm typing this message with my middle fingers... so maybe it won't come across out-of-context! LOL! (Kidding - Relax)

I was not implying anything about anybody or any company or any technique... remove all consideration of implications before you proceed reading this post.

I'm trying to be clear that my only curiosity surrounds the quantity of electronic callers being issued to the masses with sounds that STRONGLY RESEMBLE the ones I've been spoiled by. Foxpro is going to issue exponentially more sound lists than any Cass Creek or WT combined. If that is not a WT sound in the video, it sounds A LOT like one being used by a guy promoting FP calls. If it is a WT sound being used on a Foxpro then my give-a-shit about the whole topic just deflated and I’ll crawl back under my rock.

I'm a big fan of the recording option on the FP’s, spoke to Steve Dillon about it extensively back in the summer. If not for the "remote quirks" reported by several trustworthy sources here and elsewhere, I'd own a CS24 already. Good unit & some great sounds. I’ve had the pleasure of shooting a few critters out from under guys that were kind enough to run their CS24 on a stand.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on March 14, 2011, 03:28 PM:
 
JRBhunter said,

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My apologies to all that deserve them!

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Good enough for me! Apology accepted...

On second thought... hell no!!!

Has anyone recieved their NPHA newsletter yet???


Nikonut

Edited by Nikonut to replace rude context.

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 14, 2011, 07:10 PM:
 
Thanks to Kelly Jackson I was able to hear the "full version" of the scream-n-rabbit and will admitt that I was wrong and I "Apologize to F-P" for makeing the assuption that they borrowed it.........................
 

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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on March 14, 2011, 07:14 PM:
 
Wheewwww... it occured to me that I should've read the thread and it's direction before I posted my thoughts on the bunny sounds in that video! It seems some guys have gotten pretty serious and heated here before my arrival: I certainly wouldn't have touched this topic if I'd realized the background in earlier pages. I guess there is a downside to surfing topics on a 4" cell phone screen and ignoring a large volume of posts simply based on who the author was.

I came into this thread with DAA posting "Just FYI for anyone interested..." at the bottom of page 7. That post peaked my interests about the sound from the video and I figured WHAT BETTER PERSON TO ASK? My mistake. I can see where that may have been construed as throwing fuel to the fire in this context but I honestly didn't realize the toxicity of this thread until about twenty minutes ago when I revisited posts back in page 7 and earlier.

I never intended to imply anything toward FP or WT or any individuals involved therein.

To think a company would steal/pirate sounds from a competitor in today's world and offer them to the same niche' market is pretty crazy... I'm surprised anyone considers that realistic. Sounds are floating around there everywhere and I never meant to imply that the one in that video was improperly harvested or misrepresented.

I still won't pretend to have read 10-15% of this thread, but now that I see the direction it was headed upon my arival... I regret throwing my hat in the ring with such a poorly worded and obliviously loaded question!

My apologies to all that deserve them!
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 14, 2011, 09:28 PM:
 
Tim, there's really only one question left to ask and I know everyone else is dying to know as well, was Cal right? Did FP sue you out of your other tooth?
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 15, 2011, 07:07 AM:
 
Humble pie at it's finest....No tooth needed.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2011, 08:19 AM:
 

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It,s about this time in every one of Tims threads that he starts the "TA two step" first he downplays his offenses then he trys to change the context of his statements then he suggests that everyone else has totally misunderstood his good intentions and when that doesn't work he will resort to going back and editing his posts or completly deleting them and replace them with those damn smiley face emoticons, I`ve seen him do all of these things before, multiple times.

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Question: who is the assnoodle that invented anonymous emails? And, who is the type of assnoodle that uses such a service?

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Probably invented by a small balls geek hiding behind a screen name somewhere in cyberspace!

Whomever sent that should be the one banned... spinless asshat for sure!!!

Nikonut
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 15, 2011, 11:39 AM:
 
Judging by the words ass noodle and dude being used in the email, I suspect it is TA's arch nemesis...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2011, 11:56 AM:
 
GULP! You can't mean.....you know? He ain't normally shy, why, why WHY would he resort to this type of thing to get his point across? And, has he ever said ban Tim? I don't remember seeing that?

Good hunting. LB

K irist! Higgins actually posted?
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 15, 2011, 02:10 PM:
 

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udging by the words ass noodle and dude being used in the email, I suspect it is TA's arch nemesis...

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You must be referring to Tim, he IS his own worst enemy.

there is one thing I can assure you of, I have not now nor have I ever resorted to anonymous emails or any other form of girlish gossip and whining, I have NEVER asked any moderator or board owner to ban Timmy T-bag from their site. I did at one point consider writing a letter to Al Gore and getting him banned from the entire WWW but I was drunk........don't judge me, you've all done the same thing.

Anyway DUDE, Tim is an ASSNOODLE, at least the author of the email got that part right.

I wonder where he is, maybe at the dentist?

[ January 01, 2012, 02:34 AM: Message edited by: JD ]
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 15, 2011, 02:17 PM:
 
Over 15 hours and absolute silence from Tim on this thread. What gives, out hunting with the crew?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2011, 02:19 PM:
 
Thanks for clearing that up, JD. Not for me. Not for a minute did I think you would send me anonymous email.

I have to come up with a custom title that truly does you justice; Ass Noodle Jumper.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 15, 2011, 02:23 PM:
 
Still here J-Dtree. Did you miss me already???
I took a little time off and went to the car wash to wash the coyote blood out of the bed of the truck and also scrubbed the burnt powder off the hood. I should of used more wax..
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 15, 2011, 02:27 PM:
 
That sounds kinda gay LB, I'm gonna send anonymous emails to everyone if you give me a title like that.

Timmy T-bag!!! Wheeew!! I thought maybe those FP guys had you tied down and were pullin your gold tooth, I don't have the words to explain how it feels to see that you're still alive.....wait a minute, yes I do......"dammit!!!"

I hope you didn't shoot the side mirror off your truck while on a calling stand today.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2011, 02:36 PM:
 
Thanks, Tim. I could tell that he was getting worried that he ran you off. The truth of the matter is that JD needs you as someone to rag on. I think it's called a "symbiotic relationship"? It means that you need each other.

He NEEDS you, man! Think of the implications!

Good hunting. LB

He wrote me a month ago, or so. Said he would go easy on you, if I thought he should? I said whatever. I don't give a shit. So, he didn't. But, when I think about it; I think he really wants to be your friend? In Missouri, ass noodle is a term of endearment. edit: in gay bars

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 15, 2011, 02:42 PM:
 
I feel like I need to take a shower after reading that nonsense LB, yuk!!

I'm not from Mo. your thinking of someone from Mo....Andy? I think Andy wants to hug him with the left front tire of his truck.....I don't know who you're thinking of.
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 15, 2011, 02:43 PM:
 
I will say this is the most open predator forum I have been a part of!!!!!!

Long live FOXPRO and ALL the conspiracy's

Man I needed a laugh here lately

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2011, 02:49 PM:
 
Oops! My bad. I should have said Nebraska. If it's only good for yuks, that's okay too. But, damn it! Admit it. You derive a curious pleasure from yanking his chain....and rightly so.

I certainly hope "take a shower" ain't some GAY SPEAK for drop the soap?

lol. I crack myself up. El Bee

edit: same for "yanking his chain"

edit: besides, NE is very close to MO. It's in the same general direction, can't be very different?

[ March 15, 2011, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 15, 2011, 03:04 PM:
 
I worked down in Neb. years ago, could'nt help notice there were alot of married women hanging out in most of the bars without there husband's..
Perhaps I met J-Dtrees wife and she mentions my name in her sleep or when they are doing the dirty deed and thats why J-D takes so much interest in my posts...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2011, 03:24 PM:
 
Gotta be the reason. Yup.

Who said this man was a clueless asshat?
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on March 15, 2011, 04:10 PM:
 
anyone ever feel that bump when you hit the Minnesota state line coming from the West or the East? That is your IQ hitting bottom once you get into Minnesota
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 15, 2011, 04:18 PM:
 
Bring ladder boy back...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2011, 04:40 PM:
 
Dang! Ya got me there! If I believed my own bullshit, I'd reinstate Fruit Loops just for the controversy and the "entertainment value".

The problem with that is: Tim leaves me pretty much alone, and Ladderboy as well as NASA yanked my chain much too often. That's a big mistake. You can throw rocks at me, chastise me, take me to task, call me names, all that stuff.....but if you KEEP DOING IT; tell me, what's the only TOS that matters on HM?

Right, said Fruit Loops! "I KNOW"

The answer to the question is; "Don't piss me off". Something he was good at and did frequently. My compliments also to Tom Turner, who enjoyed poking at HM management, frequently. (meaning me) So I spoiled their fun, and make no mistake, for that type of personality, it literally KILLS them to be silenced.

Being such a soft touch, I reinstated both of them, TWICE! Am I such an idiot? (don't answer that)

But, smithers has a point. If you want fun, let all the goofballs back in. Many message board administrators have concluded that those folks aren't worth the hassle.

In this case, Tim says stupid stuff, but as long as I'm not the target, he's safe. Well, reasonably safe.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 15, 2011, 04:46 PM:
 
It must be. After all who would go to such lengths to follow me around the net looking for me or sites that I post on..
Some even go to great lengths reading all my posts looking for a shread of dirt they could use against me.. Not much there except alot of bad grammer..
I think most members that have been around know how I hunt coyotes here it was'nt a big secrete..
J-Dtrees mind really wonders, wonder if he's yanking his own chain as he types..
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 15, 2011, 04:51 PM:
 
I'll still have a little respect for you Leonard thats why I try not to bother you personnely..
Besides you are older than me...
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 15, 2011, 05:07 PM:
 
I think that TA loves the back and forth and so does JD. They both totally get off on the argument. I like to argue and talk shit but at some point it just gets boring. You two have taken it to an entirely new level of absurdity
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2011, 05:15 PM:
 
THAT DOES IT! ONE MORE OLD FART COMMENT AND I'M PUNCHING YOUR TICKEY!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 15, 2011, 05:24 PM:
 

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I think that TA loves the back and forth and so does JD. They both totally get off on the argument. I like to argue and talk shit but at some point it just gets boring.

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nobody wants to hear about what you "SECRETE" while road hunting

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Just alot off burnt powder and spent brass..
I get more shooting done on live targets in one month than most get in a year or two..
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 15, 2011, 07:32 PM:
 
I haven't had a single drop of alcohol in about 12 yrs. I'm just on a much higher plane than you mere mortals. So piss off you twat.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on March 15, 2011, 09:46 PM:
 
"Piss off you twat!"

Now that sounds like a good start to a song...

here is the music track so sing along!

Titties, Twats and Beer
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 16, 2011, 09:47 AM:
 
Leonard is a Pin HEAD!!!!

Now THAT'S funny. It ain't right, but it sure is funny.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 16, 2011, 10:13 AM:
 
I may be a pinhead, but I'm still better looking than you. Not by much, but it makes a difference, sometimes. I'm not sure you remember what I'm talking about?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 16, 2011, 12:21 PM:
 
Leonard and Mr. Cronk...

You are both handsome charming young men. Bahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 16, 2011, 12:28 PM:
 
Thank you, smithers. I was going to ban your ass, but now I've changed my mind. Yes, I look young, but I'm actually a senior citizen. Hard to believe.

Good hunting. LB

PS yeah Chad, too bad you got something more important going on.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 16, 2011, 12:45 PM:
 
Ban me!? Haha! Yea, I've done soooo much more than TA and JD's circle jerk show to deserve that.
I'm tame compared to some of these loonies.

I've got a Special Permit!

[ March 16, 2011, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 16, 2011, 01:15 PM:
 
That's right, you do have that special permit. And, you thought it was worthless.

JD and Tim, let me see how to 'splain it to a special permit holder? First, they both hunt.....sorta. Second, they are both from back east whereas you are from the upper midwest. Third, there is no rhyme nor reason for how management handles different individuals. Fourth, where the hell do you go for months on end and suddenly parachute in and post regularly? Have you been serving time, or what? The dentist? Kinda weird, but okay, glad to have you and your alleged wit. which as you admit, is because you are basically a space cadet.

Anyway, never mind. I was just yanking your chain. And, boy! does it work! Hang in there, Sunshine.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 16, 2011, 01:26 PM:
 
Leonard,
Remember that photo of you and I having lunch in Omaha? My wife has shown it to at least a dozen different women, and asked em which guy was more handsome. They all pick me. ME I say. ME.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 16, 2011, 01:43 PM:
 
Smitherines, check with your pharmacist and see if he has anything for your A.D.D. You gotta pay attention, these useless threads move fast, I type slow but obviously that's not helping.

TWAT .......That's it?!? That's all you got!?! Fucking amateurs!!!

BTW....I'm just pokin at ya, got no beef, yet, I just don't like putting those gawdammed smiley faced emoticons at the end of every post to let people know your "mood" or whatever the fuck those things are for. You know these things that Two Tooth puts after every sentence....

Oh wait......I just realized that you and T-bag have something in common....Those gawddamned emoticons!!!

[ March 16, 2011, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: JD ]
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on March 16, 2011, 02:15 PM:
 

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Oh wait......I just realized that you and T-bag have something in common....Those gawddamned emoticons!!!

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DAMN!!! Now I'm in the same common as TA... DAMN!!!!! I guess I need to start misspilling thinks nuw.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on March 16, 2011, 02:20 PM:
 
TA must have found some titties... he's being awefully quiet!!!

Emotioncondoms added fer efect.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 16, 2011, 02:26 PM:
 
Sorry about that Niko.. Was out doing a little killing this afternoon... I suppose I'll have to get a labtop.. Did I spell that right?? Ah who cares..
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on March 16, 2011, 02:49 PM:
 
6minutes... not bad TA!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 16, 2011, 02:56 PM:
 
Since you like horsies I got something for you over on NPHA. Look under hobbies thread..
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 16, 2011, 03:00 PM:
 
Leonard, I bought a new house in November of '09 and I have a wife and two kids to keep me busy. I've been monitoring but not posting hunting and not killing. Like they say, absence makes the heart grow fonder. Which I think is complete bullshit judging by the way you heartless bastards act. : ( @ )( @ )

I don't take any of you serious unless you show up on my doorstep with keyboard in hand.

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 16, 2011, 03:08 PM:
 

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Was out doing a little killing this afternoon.

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Was it a pint or a fifth?

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Doubt you could even come close on youre guess...

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Oh suh-NAP, JD. Now THAT'S a comeback. Wondering if you can pick yourself up after being beeotch slapped with that one. LOL

Good one, tim! No, really.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 16, 2011, 06:18 PM:
 
Was'nt ment to be a big comeback.. Maybe you should get youre head looked at..
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 16, 2011, 07:47 PM:
 
Ten pages on this thread and the only valid information is that Smithers showed us how to draw boobs with the keyboard???????

(@) (@)

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 16, 2011, 09:44 PM:
 
You mean, "useful" information.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on March 16, 2011, 09:55 PM:
 
I thought the tittie song was useful!!!! Made me smile!
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 16, 2011, 09:59 PM:
 
Yea Lance, I'm still spinning after that one. ouch.

I dunno Koko, I'm not even sure you can call that valid, I mean those are some strange lookin boobies although when it comes to boobs I have to agree with Ron White when he said........."once you've seen one set of boobies.............you wanna see em all"
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 16, 2011, 10:12 PM:
 
Holy shit! Ron White said that? I thought I was the only one?

Good hunting. LB

PS actually, I'm not a whole lot interested in fake boobs. I think women are making a big mistake with the implants.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 16, 2011, 10:36 PM:
 
Now we're finally getting to some useful information, those fake boobies are weird, real tatas rule!! That doesn't mean I don't want to see a fake set.... or all of them, I'm just saying a set of real lactation stations is where it's at.

Those are big words.....someone explain this to T-bag please.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 17, 2011, 06:07 AM:
 
These are more JD's speed... (.)(.) or he's into .!.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 17, 2011, 12:05 PM:
 
" Maybe you should get youre head looked at.. "

OMFriggin'G!! He's on FIRE!!!
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on March 17, 2011, 05:16 PM:
 
good friggen lord. i log on to several different boards and i ai'nt NEVER seen on that gets de-railed as this one.!!!!!. if i ever post something that someone does'nt agree with, go ahead and say you don't agree but personal attacks would have me say "bring it on", no emotiacons need!!
 

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Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on March 17, 2011, 06:06 PM:
 
I like personal attacks. They get to the heart of the matter fast. T-bag says some off the wall shit that's hard for a real predator hunter let slide. There are sites for those that don't like the controversy, predator pussies comes to mind.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on March 17, 2011, 07:39 PM:
 
It's hilarious, bearhunter! This thread died after three pages. I posted a link 2 weeks later and revived it for 8 more pages of trifling and incendiary TA-F-17 strafing runs with tiger blood and speedo gear. We're all big boys here! We act like friggin' teenage girls sometimes but it's all the fun in the world. Douche... (insert smiley)

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on March 17, 2011, 09:04 PM:
 
Relief is only one left click away brochacho.
 

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