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Topic: KAS 2030 question
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Patterson
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posted November 08, 2010 01:28 PM
Have had the 2030 for 5-6 years now or something like that. I am happy with the callers performance. No complaints what so ever about the actual caller itself.
Tundrawookie, this may be directed mostly towards you. My only complaint (as with most WT users) is the fact that I cant interchange sounds on the caller. I like my distress sounds and call a lot of coyotes in with them. No complaint with those. The only thing I would like to do is get the Foxpro pup distress sounds onto my 2030. Is there anyway I can do this???? The only other option would be to put my WT sounds onto a CS24 but I would rather keep my WT. Third option is to buy one of the cheapest foxpros I can find and use it just for the pup distress sounds.......not gonna happen unless its a day that I am just hand calling.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted November 08, 2010 04:42 PM
Patterson this is a very good post and I hope you get some feed back.This is my kind of subject matter.Good luck and I hope you get some feedback.
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TOM64
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posted November 08, 2010 04:56 PM
FP sounds are in their own format and can't be played on other callers.
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Southern Minneesota Know it all
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posted November 08, 2010 05:22 PM
Looking at WT's webb site Bill does do custom sounds but not sure if its the same as what you want to do. You can call or E-Mail Bill and ask him youre self or if you can wait a week or two I will ask when I place my new order.. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Leonard
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posted November 08, 2010 07:22 PM
Tom, I've been worried about you, Dude!
Have you been sulking because of my Okie remarks, or no? They are not mean spirited, some of my best friends are Okies.
Good hunting. LB
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TOM64
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posted November 08, 2010 08:52 PM
Worried about me? That's touching Uncle ElBee...
I've been around just been soaking up info instead of spouting BS.
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Leonard
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posted November 08, 2010 09:29 PM
That's not acceptable. We need your insight, experience and not to mention your colloquial (regional) accent. Besides, you have a low member number, usually indicating that you are the possessor of much knowledge.
Good hunting. LB
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Andy L
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posted November 09, 2010 05:36 AM
Come on Tom, Ive been quiet too. Lets whoop it up a bit.
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4949shooter
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posted November 09, 2010 05:39 AM
Tom and Andy...I miss you two guys!
Cdog has been relatively quiet too.
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Rich
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posted November 09, 2010 06:29 AM
I had a KS-2030MS for awhile. When I removed the speaker cap, I noticed that there is a memory chip in there that looks very much like those memory chips inside of a camera. Foxpro CS-24 uses a chip like that also. I wonder if Foxpro memory chips would fit inside a WT? I also wonder if Martz would program a new WT chip with the sounds you want and sell you just the chip?
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Patterson
19.6 miles down the Yellow Brick Road from THE EMERALD CITY
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posted November 09, 2010 07:21 AM
Been around long enough to see some of the WT threads unfold and am kinda shyin away from calling Bill and asking him to put FP sounds on my WT.....although he may have read this already. His prey distress sounds are awesome and I like them better than the FP sounds but the pup distress is severely lacking. I think the coyote vocalizations sound awesome but I have no idea what im doing with them or if he has them labeled correctly.
I will take the back apart on mine tonight and check it out. Tundra......you got your ears on?? I know youve played with this scenerio. If the formats are different im sure there is a way to change them to WT format or from WT to FP. There is always a way with computers and always someone smart enough to do it......just NOT me!
[ November 09, 2010, 07:22 AM: Message edited by: Patterson ]
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TOM64
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posted November 09, 2010 09:27 AM
I'm sure it could be done but most call companies are pretty protective of their sounds. Hence the FXP format.
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coyote whacker
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posted November 10, 2010 06:22 PM
Patterson first of all FP sounds are great aren' they? 2nd they are in FPX format meaning the hardware inside the WT caller probably won't reconize them. 3rd if you bought the sounds which you can only do if you own a FP caller and Bill charged you to put them on then copy right laws are being broken.
Why not sell the WT and by a cs-24 then you can add any sounds you can get onto it yourself? The remote of the CS-24 IMO is far superior to the WT, maybe you dont need all the features but I sure like the timer and some of the others and not to mention no sound list all sounds show up on the remote.
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Cdog911
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posted November 11, 2010 05:02 AM
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if you bought the sounds which you can only do if you own a FP caller and Bill charged you to put them on then copy right laws are being broken.
I don't recall ever seeing that you have to own a Fox Pro caller to buy their sounds. Maybe that is true. I just don't recall ever seeing it and I presume that FP would sell you sounds if you want to give up your money. At the same time, once you buy them, you can do with them as you please under copyright laws. NO different than buying a CD of music, then transferring the intellectual property you purchased to your IPOD (mp3 player). Now, if you buy the sounds, reformat them or not then turn around and begin selling them as your own, you've broken the law. I'll gladly admit being incorrect on this, but doing what you want or need to do to use a product you purchased and acquired legally is not illegal.
Disclaimer: Not trashing FP as I like a LOT of their sounds and consider them to be very effective. My remarks are "in general" as they apply to copyright laws.
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Patterson
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posted November 11, 2010 07:51 AM
Coyote Whacker, ya FP sounds are great....... But coming out of anything but the CS-24 everything that ive heard sounds like crap........which makes sense since a CS24 IS a WT copy cat.....
The WT distress sounds work time and time again for me so I am kinda partial to them. I would agree with you and would be buying a CS24 as we speak if I could get a handful of the WT sounds onto a CS24. The original reason I bought the WT was for snow goose purposes. I love calling predators as well so it worked out well that the WT was by far the best callers back when I bought it.
I just want to put a few of the FP sounds on my WT since thats what I already own. The simple remote of the WT doesnt bother me. Simplicity rules when $hit hits the fan. The timer sounds nice but i kinda limit my time depending on how I feel about a stand, habitat, etc.
Maybe Bill will put a feature on his remotes called WildBoom that changes my sounds when I shoot so I dont have to spend a second changing the sounds......Just ribbin you FP guys. I like the CS24 alot and would have one if I didnt already have the WT. Seem like good callers, the remotes not needed but handy for sure, sound better than the flashlight models, and I like a few of the sounds. Im just not givin up on my trusty WT sound that I use 90 percent of the time when I use electronics ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
[ November 11, 2010, 07:52 AM: Message edited by: Patterson ]
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coyote whacker
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posted November 11, 2010 08:03 AM
Cdog you own the sound and can apply it to your own belongings, I believe the problem arises when someone charges you to do something with someone else's sounds. You would need a signed letter from FP saying OK for Bill M to put FP owned sounds onto another caller. You doing it in your home is a different deal, No money transaction for the sounds you paid for.
Why would FP sell you sounds that are in an FPX format? Outside of recording and then adding to another caller would be the only way for "most" to get those sounds on the caller?
I think the older FP callers themselves won't support the FP format sounds. They are high resolution sounds.
Just adding to the topic and what I know about this situation. Best bet is to call or email both WT and FP and see what they have to say.
Again their is a reason WT does not have nor ever will have IMO of course and open system caller that you can change and add sounds at your home.
Good luck patterson with your issues. By the way the cs-24 is not a copy at all they both use an after market TOA paging speaker neither designed, from there 2 totally different machines and remotes.
Don't over look the massive distress sound library from FP either they have many great distress sounds and adding more all the time, plus many are in the new FPO high resolution format, there area few real killer sounds I use a lot.
Good Day!
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Rich
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posted November 12, 2010 11:55 AM
When I owned the WT, I played the sounds I liked best into the microphone on my computer. I then used a computer program to clean up the sounds, change them to Mp3 format and loaded them on my Foxpro.
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Cdog911
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posted November 12, 2010 12:15 PM
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Cdog you own the sound and can apply it to your own belongings, I believe the problem arises when someone charges you to do something with someone else's sounds.
cw,
That's my take on that law, too. I certainly understand why WT or FP would want to protect their investment as it is sizeable. Just acknowleding the fact that as soon as someone puts something out there, there are those whose mission in life is to tweak it until they can (basically) pirate its contents to their friends. In some ways, the law makes it very easy to do that, especially when you consider current technology and how tech savvy some people are.
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tlbradford
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posted November 12, 2010 01:13 PM
I really liked Roedes quote that "CS stands for copied shit, not custom shop." I'm not arguing with him, but the CS-24 is exactly what I was waiting for WT to do before I bought an ecaller.
I am happy with a lot of the sounds so far. A few I have loaded up don't sound very good to my ear. I have to go back and look at the exact number and name, but a couple of the pup distress sounds from FP, sound like they were recorded in a small room with a lot of echo. Very realistic as far as the vocals, but sounds like they are coming from the basement. The "death cry" sounds like adult distress. Every adult that I have shot and is dying lets out a long slow cry every 5 to six seconds. To me that is the death cry. The whining over an injury is distress. All just my opinion, but I would have liked to see it labeled correctly. I didn't do my homework and preview the sounds as much as possible.
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coyote whacker
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posted November 13, 2010 11:31 AM
TL any of those that begin with C are all live animals done with high end equipment.
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Leonard
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posted November 13, 2010 12:18 PM
Okay, Cal told me that those that have the "C" are his recordings. Am I mistaken? ElBee
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TundraWookie
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posted November 13, 2010 01:11 PM
Patterson,
Sorry for the delay, I've been out killing coyotes in Kentucky with the Possum Al.
If your WT is 5-6 years old, I'm guessing it's the large 30Watt TOA speaker model. You're not able to add or remove anything from that caller, so you'd have to send it to WT to have anything put onto it and probably pay through the nose to do so. Getting the FoxPro sounds on it is not a likely chance. You can record your WT sounds into your computer and then get them onto your FoxPro. Or, if you're lucky enough to find an older, programmable WT with the sounds you want, you'll be able to just put the sounds directly onto the FoxPro. I wish I could help you more, but that's where you sit with that WT.
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posted November 13, 2010 05:14 PM
To date I think that is correct, LB. I asked Steve for some designation to the sounds that I recorded. Kind of a personal pride in the sounds I have recorded. I don't think he has anything else listed with the C prefix. And there are a few sounds that don't have the C designation that are older ones I recorded. Cals cottontail and the antelope fawn sounds are two I can think of right off the top of my head. I got to listen to most of the WT coyote vocals on a WT the other day. I am sure they work fine, but all the new FP coyote sounds are better in my humble opinion. The WT owner thought so also, but I'm not going to rat him out here. He can interject his opinion here later if he chooses. We listened to all the sounds on both callers.
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Leonard
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posted November 13, 2010 05:50 PM
Yes, don't rat him, but that's a real good hint.
Good hunting. LB
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TA17Rem
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posted November 13, 2010 08:36 PM
Maybe should of listened real close a few more times and then you might of figured out why they work so good.
I only have about 50% of my hearing and I can tell the difference and whats different about them..
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