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Author Topic: Treebark Camo!!! fgf4 unknown comic posted September 28, 2010 01:43 PM              I got this in an email today... I saw it posted somewhere yesterday, too. I didn't take this pic and don't know who did but it's pretty neat! Thanks NASA! Where's KoKo???!!! IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted September 28, 2010 02:25 PM                       I've often wondered why one of the camo companies don't replicate the patterns seen in birds, specifically owls such as this great grey. The pattern on a great horned owl is similar, just more toward the browns, and would make you disappear quite well. Take the same pattern and lighten it up for rangeland, etc.. -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5440 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Kokopelli SENIOR DISCOUNT & Dispenser of Sage Advice Member # 633 posted September 28, 2010 05:45 PM                      Cool picture!!!! There's just a wee bit more to effective camo than the latest spiffy pattern. Two things that readily come to mind are position & lack of movement. Find a place with good backing where you're not silhouetted and don't move around a lot and you can wear clothes that you bought at Jimmy Buffett's yard sale. No camo pattern by itself.......even a 'Ghillie Suit' will turn you into the Invisable Man if you're skylined on a ridge & moving. Camo is just part of the package; not the whole deal. Before Chuck Adams, the noted bowhunter got all sponsored up, his regular hunting shirt was wool with a green & black checkerboard pattern. He did alright with it. For that matter, I don't recall ever seeing a picture of bowhunting great, Howard Hill ever wearing any kind of camo either. He did alright too. -------------------- And lo, the Light of the Trump shown upon the Darkness and the Darkness could not comprehend it. Posts: 8231 | From: Under a wandering star | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted September 28, 2010 06:14 PM                       Very true, and a couple thousand years of nekid i ndians are hard to argue with, too, but having said that, since some folks are hard set to make camo patterns that work better than what the other guy is making, you'd think that rather than reinventing the wheel, they might look at good ol' Ma Nature and her millions of years of R&D as a good starting point as far as patterns go. -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5440 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged DanS Scorched Earth (AZ Sector) Member # 316 posted September 28, 2010 06:36 PM                   I often wonder how a simple pattern like a deer, coyote, or a cougar can sometimes just seem to disappear in the woods. Or how all those guys in jeans and flannel shirts damn near wiped out most the deer and turkeys around here many years ago. [ September 28, 2010, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: DanS ] -------------------- futuaris nisi irrisus ridebis Saepe Expertus, Semper Fidelis, Fratres Aeterni: Often Tested, Always Faithful. Brothers Forever! Posts: 1482 | From: flyover country | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged Kokopelli SENIOR DISCOUNT & Dispenser of Sage Advice Member # 633 posted September 28, 2010 07:59 PM                      CDude; I seem to recall that camo patterns have been made in the image of duck feathers and another one of a rattlesnake pattern. I don't believe that they caught on, though. The one problem with most camo patterns is that while they look pretty good at arms length, they tend to 'blob up' into a solid human form out past about 20 yards. One pattern that did work pretty well was the A.S.A.T. camo. Not sure if it's still made or not. It was (is) a light colored open pattern that fit in with a lot of backgrounds without the blob effect. Brigade Quartermaster carried it. It was a little pricey & a lot of hunters weren't convinced that something that light colored would work. -------------------- And lo, the Light of the Trump shown upon the Darkness and the Darkness could not comprehend it. Posts: 8231 | From: Under a wandering star | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged 4949shooter SECOND PLACE HIGGINS (MAGNUM P.I.) LOOK A LIKE CONTEST Member # 3530 posted September 28, 2010 08:08 PM                    Very nice picture. My buddy wants to buy a Sam's Club special (Timberline) hooded jacket in what he says is a tree trunk color. He is new to hunting, but I think I will encourage him to get it since he doesn't seem to want to buy camo. Posts: 2274 | From: New Jersey | Registered: Dec 2009  |  IP: Logged fgf4 unknown comic posted September 28, 2010 08:45 PM              I have some timberline from Wally World... It's not bad stuff for the price. It may be a little dark for some areas but works well in shade or deep woods. If you wash it in bleach or too often it losses some of it's color. IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted September 29, 2010 05:06 AM                       The problem with camo patterns is the same as the problem with calling sounds. Too many people look for what looks and sounds good to us under the assumption that a coyote sees and hears just as we do. Not the case. -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5440 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Paul Melching Radical Operator Forum "You won't get past the front gate" Member # 885 posted September 29, 2010 05:20 AM                   Jimmy Buffett's Garage sale -------------------- Those who value security over liberty soon will have neither ! Posts: 4188 | From: The forest ! north of the dez. | Registered: Jul 2006  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted September 29, 2010 08:57 AM                   I wear ASAT. I bought them several years ago. They are mesh and I bought them big, the pants I have to pull up to my belly button and the top hangs way down and loose. It blends in everywhere I have ever hunted. I have had several hunting partners say they lost me on stand, and they watched me sit down. I just wear that and hunch over a little and Im hid good. -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Paul Melching Radical Operator Forum "You won't get past the front gate" Member # 885 posted September 29, 2010 09:46 AM                   I really like the look of nat gear no matter what country your in you look like a rock. I only own one longsleeved tee shirt in that stuff. usually wear something different top and bottom trying to break up the human form not outline it. The desert shadow stuff really makes a fashion statment too! Oh crap I like it all just a slave to fashion.lol -------------------- Those who value security over liberty soon will have neither ! Posts: 4188 | From: The forest ! north of the dez. | Registered: Jul 2006  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted September 29, 2010 11:01 AM                       I saw a reproduction German helmet in a Haloween store the other day. Man, that would be the fashion statement of the season! How the original buckethead has evolved in such a short time. When ya got a good product, it sell$ itself. Camo? Yeah, I wear it but I think it is vastly overrated. Any pattern is good enough, and I frequently do as does Paulsie, I mix and match everything but the socks. Yahoo! LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32361 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Krustyklimber prefers the bunny hugger pronunciation: ky o tee Member # 72 posted September 29, 2010 02:15 PM                    "...you'd think that rather than reinventing the wheel, they might look at good ol' Ma Nature and her millions of years of R&D as a good starting point as far as patterns go." These guys had it down, a few years back, using moths as the base pattern, then they had to go muck it up and add a bunch more stuff on top. But even a fool like me knows the best camo in the world won't hide you if you can't hold still, and if you can hold still you don't need the best camo in the world. Even a blink, and that owl would "come to life" in spite of the killer camo job. Krusty Edit to fix link [ September 29, 2010, 02:17 PM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ] -------------------- Think about how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of them are stupider than that! Posts: 1912 | From: Deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged 4949shooter SECOND PLACE HIGGINS (MAGNUM P.I.) LOOK A LIKE CONTEST Member # 3530 posted September 29, 2010 03:37 PM                    Here is a new pattern from Scentlok. http://www.scentlok.com/scentlok-latest/scent-lok-vertigo-%E2%80%94-more-than-a-revolution I saw Ted Nugent wearing it on one of his shows, when he was on a black bear hunt in Alaska. It really stuck out in the foliage. It might be okay after the leaves fall, while hunting out of a treestand. Posts: 2274 | From: New Jersey | Registered: Dec 2009  |  IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted September 29, 2010 04:18 PM                       " I just wear that and hunch over a little and Im hid good." That hunching over is what blew the disc in my back, andy. My physical therapist's husband is a caller and hunter and she's gone out with him and knows the pose. When we eere ID'ing the cause of my "accident", she had me assume the position. Then, she showed me how I'd hurt myself. Sitting on the flat ground with your legs crossed in front of you puts incredible strain on your lower back. Lean forward and you multiply that torsion. Blow a mouthcall repeatedly and every time you inhale and blow into the call, you ram all your guts into that lower back and cause even more strain. I sit on a 4-inch thick pad now and it does make a world of difference. If you have problems with your legs going to sleep on stand, you are doing to yourself exactly what I did to myself. If you already have lower back problems and don't change the way you sit, you're toying with a very painful time bomb. -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5440 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted September 29, 2010 04:20 PM                       "...the best camo in the world won't hide you if you can't hold still, and if you can hold still you don't need the best camo in the world." That pretty much sums it up. LOL -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5440 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted September 29, 2010 05:03 PM                   IMHO, Scentlock is about as big of a scam as ever pulled on hunters. NOTHING will MASK or HIDE a MANS SCENT! If you dont dope the wind right, your busted. -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted September 29, 2010 05:03 PM                   IMHO, Scentlock is about as big of a scam as ever pulled on hunters. NOTHING will MASK or HIDE a MANS SCENT! If you dont dope the wind right, your busted. -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged 4949shooter SECOND PLACE HIGGINS (MAGNUM P.I.) LOOK A LIKE CONTEST Member # 3530 posted September 29, 2010 05:07 PM                    You feel so strongly about scentlock you had to post it twice? lol. I don't use it myself. Thought the camo was unique though. Posts: 2274 | From: New Jersey | Registered: Dec 2009  |  IP: Logged fgf4 unknown comic posted September 29, 2010 05:25 PM              I've always believed that an open pattern is better camo. Without negative space you are a solid object... key word is "object"! Any movement or changes in that object will instantly trigger the flight response in most prey animals. I've always had negative space between my ears but I still have trouble sitting still! IP: Logged DEL GUE SECOND PLACE: Mad Bomber lookalike contest Member # 1526 posted September 29, 2010 08:43 PM                    Yep, a lot of that stuff 'blobs up' from a distance. The other prob that I face is that in FL things stay green most of tne year, and a lot of these camo company's are oriented towards brown. I need stuff oriented towards green. I bought some Wally World stuff last year for a deer/turkey hunt in GA, and almost bought some more of it y'day, but I stopped myself. I have preferred the tiger stripe for down here, and think I'll stick with it, although I have an open (very open, regrettably...the air whistles in one ear and out the other) mind and would entertain something different, if different meant 'better'. -------------------- "I never could find no tracks on a woman's heart." - Bear Claw Posts: 588 | From: FL | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged Kokopelli SENIOR DISCOUNT & Dispenser of Sage Advice Member # 633 posted September 30, 2010 01:08 PM                      Del; Bear in mind that most animals are, to some degree, color blind. It's entirely possible that what we see as green & brown may be seen as a solid mono-tone grey by the critter of the hour. Nothing wrong with sitting still in the shade in front of good backing and wearing Tiger Stripe camo ............. or a really loud Hawaiian Shirt. I even heard that during last year's deer season, that somebody actually killed a deer while wearing Blaze Orange. Since the fur market seems to still be down, just wear whatever you want & see what happens. You might be surprised. For that matter, instead of taking the first high percentage shot that the coyote gives you, see how close you can get it to come in to. You might be double suprised. -------------------- And lo, the Light of the Trump shown upon the Darkness and the Darkness could not comprehend it. Posts: 8231 | From: Under a wandering star | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted September 30, 2010 01:41 PM                       Let's be careful, koko. I'm telling ya, this monochrome shit does not fly too high, w/me. I don't know exactly how you see blaze orange, nor do I know how a coyote sees blaze orange. For all I know, what I see and identify as blaze orange, you see as morron? I'm positive that a mule deer can pick out blaze orange sitting on the side of a hill. Whether he sees the same thing I do, or a shade of blaze monochrome, I can't say, but it doesn't make much difference; they see it and know what it is, wiggling around, or not. A good argument for wearing some version of camo, as far as I am concerned? Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32361 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged DEL GUE SECOND PLACE: Mad Bomber lookalike contest Member # 1526 posted September 30, 2010 03:55 PM                    In reality, where I am anyway, it's pretty much a Catch-22. I hunt mostly public lands, and while if I'm not deer hunting I technically don't have to wear any orange, walking to and from a stand a man has to have a death wish not to wear orange. Now once on stand, with your back to a tree, a man might well take an orange vest off and do some calling. And in small game season after Jan 1, then I'm not inclined to bother with a vest. Sometimes it seems kinda weird to get all cammied up to make yourself invisible, then put on an orange vest. Kinda like a whore putting on her sluttiest, skimpiest outfit, and then going to church and confession...seems like a contradiction in terms. As for wearing whatever and remaining motionless, that's for sure the truth. I've had deer walk past me 12' away, stop and stare straight at me, and then wander off. But another key factor in such close encounters is avoiding eye contact. Prey doesn't like to look eye-to-eye with something. You gotta have the wind in your favor, too. Lots of factors. It's just that if I'm gonna wear cammo, it only makes sense (to me) to try to use something that blends in somewhat with the terrain I'm hunting in. If I wear a Hawaiian shirt, then I wind up downloading Jimmy Buffett into the Foxpro and all I wind up calling in are Parrotheads! -------------------- "I never could find no tracks on a woman's heart." - Bear Claw Posts: 588 | From: FL | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged

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