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gcsod45
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posted August 27, 2010 10:23 PM
Ok as some of you realize I am relatively new to predator hunting. I have not obtained any calls yet and due to a tight budget I am not sure when that will happen. I am looking for suggestions on calls for Coyote and other predators. Also if anyone out there have calls they might want to part with let me know what and how much at gcsod45@yahoo.com . Also for a beginner like myself is it better to use a manual call or an electronic call? Thanks for the help.
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Krustyklimber
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posted August 28, 2010 11:26 AM
GC,
If your budget is so tight you can't afford calls, you probably need to find a new hobby. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
For less than the price of a tank of gas and a box of bullets, you could purchase a fairly decent collection of mass produced hand ("manual") calls.
Allpredatorcalls.com carries pretty much everything you could need.
On this page you'll see the CritR Call - Standard model ($10.50), and the Johnny Stewart PC-3 ($8.95).
And on this page you'll see APC's super cheap closed reed Keychain Call (for just $3.95).
You could go hog wild, and add Haydel's Government Hunter Jackrabbit Distress ($12.95), from this page, and end up with a more than adequate arsenal of handcalls with which to get started.
If you left off the Keychain Call, you'd have a total cash outlay (before shipping) of $32.40.
*A trip to the local sporting goods chain store, or even Wal•Mart, might save you shipping costs.
Now some of the other users here might say you should alter this selection a bit and will mention particular calls/models I haven't, and Leonard would likely admonish me if I were to neglect to mention the highly versatile and affordable diaphram calls (like turkey and elk hunters use), but even with the addition of another handful of calls we're talking about a very reasonable investment.
I'll go way out on a limb here, and say you don't need an electronic caller, at least not just to get started, and even when and if you do get to the point of wanting to use electronically produced sounds, you won't need that latest and greatest high dollar offerings.
Buying hand calls, used, won't save you much (if anything, with shipping), but buying an e-caller used will. Electronics become downgraded with the advent of new models, and sometimes these newer models aren't all that much of an improvement (to the point that they would relegate the older models as useless).
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Krusty 
*Edit to fix links.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 28, 2010 01:39 PM
We can kick this around the campfire at the campout 'til the sun comes up, but basically, Krusty is correct in concept. I would recommend starting out with a closed reed call such as the Circe 'Trophy' model with a jackrabbit reed. Naturally, I would also suggest watching EBay under 'predator call' for a Weems 'Dual-Tone'. The Crit-R-Call 'Standard' that he mentioned is an open reed call that everyone should have at least one of. A bit harder to learn to use than a closed reed call, but well worth the trouble. Once you learn to use it you can make distress cries, howls, pup yips, & elk bugles. If you're a bit more talented than I am, it will also make passable crow caws, turkey putts, and possibly even call ducks.
Once you have a Circe, a Weems & a Crit-R-Call, you'll have all that you really will ever need. Once you call in a few coyotes though, you'll be hooked and buy every other call on the market.
Then we'll talk about electronics.............
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Dave Allen
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posted August 28, 2010 02:25 PM
I'm with Koko..
Just my opinion I think a new coyote hunter should cut his teeth on hand calls.
I don't own an electronic caller yet, but may, as I can see some advantages.
When I started coyote hunting, only 10 years ago, I bought some hand calls, work then was a 10 mile drive each way mostly on country roads, I practiced blowing those calls to and from work everyday to build my confidence.
Some folks sure gave me some goofy looks though
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Paul Melching
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posted August 28, 2010 04:31 PM
Hand calls will call the predator to you! There is nothing more satisfying than bringing one in face to face. The only advantage I have found with electronics is that I can bring the critter into the caller allowing me to get away wih a little more movement and of course the element of surprise and ambush. If you are just startig out sitting statue still is something that you will want to work on. enjoy practicing with new hand calls it'll drive her nuts thats why most do it in the car while driving alone and looking like a nut to fellow drivers. Good luck on your new adventure.
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posted August 28, 2010 06:57 PM
I can agree with a little of all that has been said! Maybe even a lot!
I make my own calls like Krusty and a few others here so the satisfaction of calling a coyote or cat in to me is what makes hunting predators even more exciting for me.
I think that hand calling a predator in will also help teach you stand location, good calling technique, scent control, and confidence.
Those are the basics to calling with either hand calls or electronics but you have less latitude for mistakes when hand calling directly to you as the sound source!
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Lone Howl
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posted August 29, 2010 05:29 PM
What they said...
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TA17Rem
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posted August 29, 2010 08:17 PM
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Those are the basics to calling with either hand calls or electronics but you have less latitude for mistakes when hand calling directly to you as the sound source!
I guess it depends alot on what part of the country you are calling in. My caller is in most cases right by me when calling and there seems to be time to make any adjustments if needed without the coyote spotting me..
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gcsod45
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posted August 30, 2010 01:59 AM
Hey thanks for all the great advise on the calls. There is alot of great knowledge that I appreciate being shared with me. Krusty's info is what has me thinking the most....can I really afford a new hobby,, I guess time will tell. I guess I can take a second job as a door greeter at wal mart hey and then I could get a discount on their calls. Well if I stick it out I will try to meet yall at the campout. Happy Hunting All
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Kokopelli
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posted August 30, 2010 05:02 AM
Door greeters at WalMart get PAID????? I thought that they just got to flirt with college girls all evening. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Krustyklimber
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posted August 30, 2010 08:57 AM
GC,
Seriously though, coyote hunting doesn't have to be an expensive hobby.
A second hand shotgun or a single shot rifle (like the Handi-Rifle) can be had for about $100. Camo can be as simple as an old set of cotton duck Carhart jacket and pants, or Dickies khaki work clothes.
So, for many of us, just getting to and from someplace to call is the most costly aspect.
Even though I teased you about finding a different hobby, my real point was that calls don't have to be expensive either.
Krusty
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Alaskan Yoter
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posted August 30, 2010 11:46 AM
If you already hunt, you probably have everything ya need, except a $7 call. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Wish I could back up Nut, but I have no proof that he spins calls! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Rich
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posted August 30, 2010 01:03 PM
"I guess it depends alot on what part of the country you are calling in. My caller is in most cases right by me when calling and there seems to be time to make any adjustments if needed without the coyote spotting me.."
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I reckon you have been busted many times. The advantage of placing the speaker cross-wind of you is too large to ignore.
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Cdog911
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posted August 30, 2010 01:43 PM
"I guess it depends alot on what part of the country you are calling in. My caller is in most cases right by me when calling and there seems to be time to make any adjustments if needed without the coyote spotting me.. "
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but Cronk got you there, Tim. Seems like a waste of good money to spend all that cash on a dandy new e-caller, walk a half-mile in for your set up, then be too lazy and unmotivated to walk it out another fifty yards or so to benefit from what the danged thing was built for in the first place. LOL
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Southern Minneesota Know it all
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posted August 30, 2010 05:47 PM
LOL ! You guys just don't get it.. Maybe in Iowa or Kansas you need the caller placed out from you 50 feet or so but I don't.. Maybe you should both look deeper into how you set up youre stands and fix whats wrong, you might pick-up a few more coyotes every year...... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Rich
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posted August 30, 2010 06:34 PM
"LOL ! You guys just don't get it.. Maybe in Iowa or Kansas you need the caller placed out from you 50 feet or so but I don't.. Maybe you should both look deeper into how you set up youre stands and fix whats wrong, you might pick-up a few more coyotes every year."
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Oh WE get it Tim. Some guys will NEVER get it though. Stand-up comedian Ron White tells about how medical science can fix terrible diseases and all, but let me tell ya folks---You can't FIX stupid. You sir, will never know how many times you have been busted. Why? Hell I can't explain that one for ya. ROFLMAO!!!!!!
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coyote whacker
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posted August 30, 2010 07:07 PM
Ta17 I many times will have the caller away from me, makes sense as this is one of the biggest advanatges to an e caller in IMO. Nothing wrong in having the caller away from you as long as you don;t exspose yourself to those coyotes. In fact knowing the coyotes and terrain and caller placement can bring those coyotes in really close like feet close if one wants. Plus you can get by with more having the caller at some distance over no distance from you. Volume,realism and turning those coyotes into shooting lanes that give you an advantage are all reasons for an e caller.
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TA17Rem
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posted August 30, 2010 08:25 PM
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Nothing wrong in having the caller away from you as long as you don;t exspose yourself to those coyotes. In fact knowing the coyotes and terrain and caller placement can bring those coyotes in really close like feet close if one wants.
I've never said placeing a E-caller out from youre stand is a bad thing and I'm sure it works well for others its just that I've never had a reason to do so. I believe stand selection is more important than caller placement and my set-ups work for me. Oh yeah I've been busted by a few coyotes but not because of where my caller was placed but due to not getting my truck far enough out of site. But that was no big deal, I just move on the coyote and made another stand and finished the deal..
As for how close I want the coyote I prefer 100-200 yds.
Rich you give coyotes way to much credit, perhaps thats why you are still struggleing with youre's..LOL
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posted August 30, 2010 10:48 PM
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Wish I could back up Nut, but I have no proof that he spins calls!
You caught me again Todd!
Someday I'll get a set made and sent to Tundraville! Someday!
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Kokopelli
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posted August 31, 2010 04:52 AM
For me, in the terrain & topography that I hunt, I want the caller to be about 20 to 75 yards away from me (depending on rifle, shotgun, bow, or atlatl) on the upwind side of me. Works for me; YMMV.
However; From some of the photos that Tim has posted of his wide open, kind of rolling hills, where a coyote can be spotted coming in from 4 or 5 hundred yards out, I would think that exposing oneself placing the caller in the 'right' spot would cost you more coyotes than bringing them right to you would. Again, YMMV.
Same thing with this holding the caller up over your head & waving it around. In my hunting areas that would be at best of no value & at worst counterproductive. In the wide open rolling hills though, it might have merit.
Just because a calling style doesn't work in all situations does not mean that it's not a valid style in certain places. Up in Krusty Korners on the Wet Side of Wash. the neat trick is to find a bend in a skid road coming off of a clear-cut & call from there. (It's the only place that you'll be able to see for 20 yards in that rain forrest.) Down here in the desert, that neat trick is pretty much a waste of time.
I don't often hunt short grass, wide open, rolling hills, but if I ever do happen upon such a stand I'll at least keep Tim's ideas in mind when setting it up.
When it comes to thinking, the only difference between a rut & a grave is the length.
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Rich
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posted August 31, 2010 05:36 AM
Coyotes can see and hear a lot better than people can. Is a hunter who walks quietly out cross-wind some fifty yards to position his caller more likely to be seen than the hunter who waves his W.T. around like a flag while said W.T. is loudly singing sad screams? Think about it.
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posted August 31, 2010 07:16 AM
Rich, old Tim is never gonna get it. I have never heard of an experienced coyote hunter who does not believe that movement on stand is your worst enemy. For a guy to want to wave an ecaller over his head with the sound coming from where he is is worse than stupid. I would bet he gets busted from so far away that he never even sees the coyotes.
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TA17Rem
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posted August 31, 2010 07:31 AM
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Coyotes can see and hear a lot better than people can. Is a hunter who walks quietly out cross-wind some fifty yards to position his caller more likely to be seen than the hunter who waves his W.T. around like a flag while said W.T. is loudly singing sad screams? Think about it
I agree but the coyotes hear pick-ups all the time driveing up and down the roads and two tracks and also hear doors opening and closeing..
The first time I hunted with Scott he mentioned that I should just close the pick-up door rather than push on it gently and make more noise. Been doing it that way ever since and the coyotes don't seem to mind. Sure they may have heard the door close but they hear it all the time from the ranchers comeing and going...
A couple of years ago I had a group of coyotes staying close to a road and they would spot anything that drove or walked into the pasture it was almost impossable getting to them. One mourning I spotted the rancher driveing into the pasture to check on his cows so I drove in right behind him and then pulled off the two track once I was past the area where the coyotes liked to hang out and made my stand and got my coyote..
When a hunter walks out to make a stand he is exsposeing himself to any coyotes laying on a hillside and most hunters also stick out like a sore thumb in their fancy hardwoods or tree bark camo, some coyotes may spot them some may not and some may not care..
When I move my caller from side to side I'm in a sitting position and have some sort of backing, they see nothing!!
When I go into a area to set up I take the weather conditions into account.
Is there snow on the ground? Has it been melting? Is it cold out (-32) ? Has the wind been blowing hard?
These conditions will dictate on how you approach a calling area and how you set up..
Example: No snow on the ground, high temps around 80 degrees. The coyotes are most likely bedded in a low area thats shaded like a deep cut drainage.
Snow on the ground and has been melting. The coyotes are bedded up on high ground laying on hill side that have no snow.
Snow on the ground and a good stiff wind. The coyotes are bedded on down-wind side of hill or at the upper end of a small drainage that empty's into a larger one and laying in the sun..
You can locate them to know exactly where they are and take into account the weather conditions and use hills for cover to move in set up and call without being seen..
My system works or I would'nt have any pic.'s of dead coyotes if it did'nt..
Think about it.............
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Rich
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posted August 31, 2010 11:04 AM
"You can locate them to know exactly where they are and take into account the weather conditions and use hills for cover to move in set up and call without being seen.."
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Why bother with that if you are gonna screw it all up when you start calling?
"When I move my caller from side to side I'm in a sitting position and have some sort of backing, they see nothing!!"
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LOL Tim, I give up. South Dakota coyotes must be blind. Just keep talking Tim, you almost have me believing you. I know that you actually manage to shoot a coyote once in awhile. Just goes to show us that even doing it wrong will sometimes work. Call however you want sir, it is a free country.
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Kelly Jackson
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posted August 31, 2010 12:09 PM
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Note: ecaller and coyotes pictured not included for this price.
Stay after them
Kelly
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