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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on June 05, 2010, 09:19 AM:
 
Foxpro will offer "FOX Bang" it will work on tx-500 remote callers and will ship standard on their 2 new models, will be available for other units having TX 500 remote.

You set your preset 1 sound and when you shoot it responds by automaticly playing that sound on preset 1 at the preset volume level!!!! No need to take your eye away from the line of sight and on doubles or triple coyotes I see this as a great idea. You shoot coyote #1 and 2 and or 3 will instantly hear coyote pup in distress or any other sound you put into preset bank #1.

I will have this feature installed on my cs-24's when available, price to retro fit is not yet avilable, but should be reasonable?
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 05, 2010, 12:35 PM:
 
My Gawd!!!! They've made a call with 'The Clapper' (as seen on TV) installed. Probably a good idea but it's kind of sad to see technology replacing skill with a call. <sigh>

And no............I'm NOT down on FoxPro; I own & have been known to use an old 416.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 05, 2010, 02:58 PM:
 
At risk of drawing fire, I have to agree, Koko. I am a Minaska MAD guy, and I see the merit in the FoxBANG feature, but how far do we dumb this game down and still call someone a coyote hunter? Hell, my e-callers have features on them now that I don't use. Too old school, I guess. If my caller had a digital clock on it, I'm pretty sure it would blink 12:00 all the time. LOL

In the end, it's an interesting feature and I applaud the Dillons for their innovation. As for me? I can walk and talk at the same time and don't need all the crutches to help me get the job done. For those that do... have at it and have fun.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 05, 2010, 04:16 PM:
 
It would be kinda nice if my machine could fry some bacon and eggs. You can't throw yourself under the wheels of progress, Lance.

Right now, my caller can sign on to my Facebook page with every shot, with updates and a YouTube uplink. I mean I don't know how to utilize it, but the machine has that app built in. How cool is that? It's just nice to have; ya know?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on June 05, 2010, 04:20 PM:
 
There are many features that I don't use, but this is one that simply makes alot of sense. If you have a double in and shoot the first one whats the first thing you do? Doesn't matter even if you are a hand caller, you hammer on the old ki yi and try to get the other coyote(s) to stop. Makes a ton of sense to not have to look down or hit the remote.

Trust us Lance, We're glad your a MAD fan! But you do seem to try to dig at FoxPro every chance you get.
 

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Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on June 05, 2010, 05:13 PM:
 
After I shoot, I want my CS24 to automatically say, go get that dead coyote Mike, an then reply yessur Mr. Dan
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 05, 2010, 05:55 PM:
 
How about a feature where at the sound of the shot, a chorus of voices loudly proclaim "DAMN FINE SHOT!!!!!!" with the onset of End-Zone Dance music.
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on June 05, 2010, 06:10 PM:
 
Koko, You can load any sound or song you want to play at the sound of the shot. Your pick!
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on June 05, 2010, 08:44 PM:
 
Well... at least FoxPro vs The World comes off as a more interesting read than Andy Vs Tim.

Lord and pygmies and all that.

Krusty
 

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Posted by tlbradford (Member # 1232) on June 05, 2010, 10:07 PM:
 
I think this is a great idea too. I don't own an e-caller but slap the guy on the back that thought this one up.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 05, 2010, 11:11 PM:
 
Is a 17Predator loud enough to activate this feature? Just asking!

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on June 06, 2010, 03:24 AM:
 
Do we know how extensively this has been tested?

I am just curious as to the results...
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 06, 2010, 06:05 AM:
 
It's been my experiance that FoxPro makes pretty good stuff, and when there is a problem, they stand behind it & make it right. Your mileage may vary.
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 06, 2010, 06:20 AM:
 
Foxbang is adjustable from small calibres to large.
 

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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on June 06, 2010, 06:54 AM:
 
I can just hear the foxpro with this feature around a guy using an AR,....callin' along with vitals ala jack .....coyotes come bang....ki yi's then bang ala jack, then bang...ki yi's, bang.. jack, bang ki, bang jac...bang k..bang ja..bang ..ki yi....and so on and so on!!

Or does it only work one way..bang to ki yi and stays there?
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on June 06, 2010, 07:06 AM:
 
I asked Mike if he could make a CS24 do this last November. He said no problem.
I have not sent my call in yet for the upgrade, but I will.
Glad to see Foxpro offer this feature as standard on some of the ecalls.

Stay after them
Kelly
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on June 06, 2010, 08:49 AM:
 
Now what is Clint gonna do all day ?
sorry! Pard couldnt resist!

Actually very cool feature.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 06, 2010, 09:01 AM:
 

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Is a 17Predator loud enough to activate this feature? Just asking!

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Proably not Leonard, also what about the guys that are useing suppressures??
Its a good idea though but you don't need to respond with a coyote in distress right after the shot, you can play it a few minutes later and still have results..
And what happens if Koko lets a big fart ripp on stand while a coyote is comeing in???
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 06, 2010, 09:51 AM:
 
If the coyote is downwind when I fart......it dies a terrible death.
 

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Posted by jwelk (Member # 2051) on June 06, 2010, 11:25 AM:
 
I think it will be a good thing to have on a call.Might as well take advantage of technology.
 

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Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on June 06, 2010, 01:13 PM:
 
I want mine to play the battle hymn of the republic, just in case there are any of them illegals about. I like to watch em run.
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on June 06, 2010, 01:17 PM:
 
Using a pup in distress or the coyote death cry upon shooting the male durring denning season which a high majority is the first coyote in, will add to the pile No doubt and again not having to worry about it and making a good second shot will be great, no head movement and stay on the rifle and shotgun I see it as a positive and inovative technology.

Tim how many are using suppersors? Next all depends on how senstive FOX Bang is as even a suppressed center fire still makes noise, far more than a .22 rimfire, so hard to tell but for the majority it will be an added advantage. I guess another one of those bells and whistles Ol' Bill never thought of LOL!

Doesn't matter fox bang or E call or high quaility sounds one still has to be in the correct area, have a good setup and be able to shoot under pressure to do well at calling, so I don't see this as something eroding away calling. Hand calls will always have a place and time in calling, but just another tool in the tool box, which was a great idea IMO.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 06, 2010, 02:30 PM:
 

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Tim how many are using suppersors?

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They are not allowed here but in S.D. I know a hand full of guys useing them and more popping up around the country where legal. It seems to be the newest fad going on if you got the cash for the suppressor and the lic. to have it.
Is the sound sensor in the remote or is it installed in the caller?? If in the caller I guess they could sit closer to the caller so it can pick up the sound to trigger it..

[ June 06, 2010, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 06, 2010, 03:16 PM:
 
Alright, Cal, I'll bite.

Just how many times have I taken digs at Foxpro? I can recall one, which wasn't really a dig, as you call it. And, Mike and I settled the miscommunication over that shortly after I made my remarks. Other than that, I don't recall saying anything bad about them.

So, again, you suggest that I hit Mike and Steve and their product at every turn.

Any evidence to back that up?
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 06, 2010, 03:28 PM:
 
Elbee, screw the YouTube. My Ultimate One logs on after every shot to my facebook page and lets everyone knows I shot at something. Now, if I can only get it to quit talking trash on me when I miss...
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 06, 2010, 04:54 PM:
 
It's interesting how far callers have come. It wasn't all that long ago that an electronic caller played a 45 rpm record. Then there was the Johnny Stewart 512 cassette player. That was state of the art for a long time. Once the digital callers came out it seemed as though the floodgates opened.

Now we have callers with remotes that work half way across the county, volume settings that go to 'Stun', callers with decoys, and callers with mist. And let's not forget 'Studio Quality Sound' either just to be fair.

I have to wonder what we'll have in another 20 years, but one thing is for certain; progress marches along whether us old farts like it or not.
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on June 07, 2010, 04:29 AM:
 
Tim that I don't know yet, I think the remote not 100% though. I know a few guys that have suppressors and they do help, many factors though as to how much.

[ June 07, 2010, 04:32 AM: Message edited by: coyote whacker ]
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 07, 2010, 09:06 AM:
 
Got to be in the remote. They are offering it as an upgrade to any ecaller using the TX500 remote.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 07, 2010, 09:28 AM:
 
My guess would be the remote as it is consistently the sme distance from the gun whereas the caller could be hundreds of yards away. The remote picks up the report and triggers the signal for the specific slot in the caller.
 

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Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on June 07, 2010, 10:45 AM:
 
Actually, its a great idea.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 07, 2010, 07:20 PM:
 
Ok so everyone thinks it willbe in the remote, no problem with that..
Question: What if the callers partner takes a shot, will the censor pick up his report from the gun if he is below the area of the remote or even behind it 50 yds or so and shooting away from the direction of the remote or behind a side hill??? If not then the caller has to trigger his remote manualy when he should be getting his scope on a retreating coyote..
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on June 07, 2010, 07:36 PM:
 
The sensor is in the remote.
It has 5 sensitivity settings to select from.
It's a feature that you set when powering up the remote only if you want it.
The preset go-to sound of your choice can be set to whatever sound you have loaded on the unit.

If I'm the call operator and the shooter, this is a big advantage in many cases as I don't need to grab the remote after the shot and hit the preset myself.

If you don't need it there's no need to turn the feature on but it's there if you want it. Just like having 500 other sounds on your unit. They are there because it's just too cool a way to impress women after a few beers or so I've been told.

Before I had to pass my test unit to the next guy, I wanted so bad to change the FB preset to say "Your shooting SUCKS!"... but didn't.

Just make sure that when you turn the feature on that it has the preset sound you want otherwise if you miss that bear, it may cause it to come charging in faster.LOL

Yaeh sometimes I'm a little slow on getting on the yelp sounds whether electronic or with hand calls and sometimes letting the sound that brung you to the dance continue is the best bet. There's a lot of feature I haven't learned to use but this one I feel is a worthwhile one.

"The Clapper" was trademarked so FP couldn't use it. I wanted them to call it "Brain Fart Rectifier"
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on June 07, 2010, 07:45 PM:
 
Tim,
CRAP! What if, what if, what if.
What do you want pard? A guarantee the remote will work in a 5-gallon bucket of water?
I'm sure there will be situations when the pickup fails. Like when I'm in the wrong parking lot trying to locate my truck using the remoteless entry feature.
If it fails, either push the freaking button yourself or wait for your partner to holler for you to hit the preset.
Have you ever been stranded on an escallator when the power goes out?

And it's not a "censor"
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 07, 2010, 08:02 PM:
 
"Yes or no" it will work for the other shooter..
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 07, 2010, 09:30 PM:
 
lololololo l

[ June 07, 2010, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on June 07, 2010, 10:46 PM:
 
Tim,
I did yell "BANG" once and it didn't work. Must not understand my Okie accent. Maybe FB will add voice recognition on their next unit.

If you have the remote in your hands and the other shooter fires, the sensor will pick up the report and change to your preset.

I personally didn't have the opportunity to test it if the shooter was 30 feet lower than the remote. Nor did I test it with the shooter on the other side of the hill. Nor did I test it wearing full camo.

The way I look at it if my partner is lower than me, I have the advantage. I'll know what's going on in advance and be able to work the coyote effectively. If he's on the other side of the hill, however, he's on his own and not a viable part of the team. I may switch sounds at an inopportune moment in time causing great anguish but hey... He chose to go maverick.

If you work together like most callers should then there shouldn't be any problems. The way I've always played the game is to let the coyote make the mistakes. If you do your part (as a team) then everything will be peachy.

I fully realize that there will be circumstances where two huters will be mis-positioned or too far apart, but don't go blaming Bush.

The test unit had 2 sensitivity settings on it. Since that time FP added 3 more (total 5) sensitivities to the unit to cover all bases without mishap. Road noise did not set off my unit. But I will add that I did not have any Harley drive by during testing.

In simple terms I will answer YES and urge you to go buy one. That way you can report back and I can play the "what if" game.

edit to add: Leonard... please change my profile to... Noob looking for peeps to show me the ropes and their hunting areas. Must have a decent ride.

[ June 07, 2010, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: Jay Nistetter ]
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on June 08, 2010, 12:29 AM:
 
Tim,

I can see with your "pointing the speaker" theory that you don't understand one very important aspect of sound... it travels 360° from it's source (along the X, Y, and Z axes), regardless of which way that source (be it a rifle, a speaker, or your rambling yap) is pointed.

Granted, the day you find yourself hunting in a Mach 1 wind, you'll be able to say "nu uh" and I'll be wrong... I just hope to hell the wind is blowing east when it happens, so I don't have to hear you blather on about shit you know nothing about.

Hmmm, looks like I owe my algebra teacher a beer, there actually is an everyday use for triplicate linear equations, go figure.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2010, 12:36 AM:
 
Jay, did I inadvertantly lock your profile, or perhaps in a pique of anger, intentionally do so? Let me know and "we" (Imperial) can possibly rectify the injustice.

Good hunting. LB

PS K, what the hell are you doing up so late on a school night?
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on June 08, 2010, 02:47 AM:
 
I think it was quite unintentional actually.
Profiles change and grow tiresome. CCSI turned out to be a big bust as did Interview With A Coyote. I was going to delete lines 1 and 3 and add something cute about asking Jasmine at WeenoJack.com
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on June 08, 2010, 04:33 AM:
 
Tim I agree what is the point? When hunting with a partner you have the upper hand to begin with, if it works on a high sensitivty then so be it, but I'm sure fox bang was first and foremost for the loan caller and making it an advantage to them on multiples or even misses.

It will be something one can choose to use or not, just another great feature, one that has alot of merit and ol' Bill didn't think of it or I believe he would call it a bell and whistle LOL.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 08, 2010, 06:30 AM:
 

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I can see with your "pointing the speaker" theory that you don't understand one very important aspect of sound... it travels 360° from it's source

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Yes and No.
First off I have done abit of reading on the subject of sound travel and I also took a 3-day course on vibration of concrete. Both are very simular.
If you take youre caller and lay it on end so the speaker is faceing up then yes you will have sound 360 degrees that is equal in all directions. Example you stand 10 ft. in front of a gun when being fired and someone ten feet behind the gun when fired. Who's ears do you think will ring the most??
Sound waves travel just like ripples in the water if you would drop a rock in the water. If you increase the size of the rock or change its shape the ripples will be different. The ripples will be thicker or thinner, and spaced close together or far apart depending on weight and shape of the rock.. The same applys to a E-caller and what type and size of speaker you use and amount of volume and the sounds that you use... Depending on the size and shape of speaker you can also shape the sound on how it will come out and how the sounds waves travel.

Here is a visual example: Take three flash lites with 3 different size lite beams.
lets start with a flood beam, it dose'nt go very far but covers a large wide area a good example wouldbe a Dennis Kirk E-caller that uses a very large car stereo speaker. The sound from this caller only gets out there about a mile but it covers a wider area than the others.
Now take a medium beam flashlite thats not as wide but shines out a little farther an example would be one of those F-P flashlite type callers. Next wouldbe a spotlite beam which would be the WT and F-P clone of the WT. Both have more power (volume) than the other two and puts the sound out farther in front and covers a little more are than the F-P.
Depending on what calling sounds you use determins how far apart the sound wave willbe from the next and its thickness. A coyote bark for example will produce a thicker wave but will be spaced farther apart. A high pitched squeak or young cottontail will produce sound waves that are thinner and spaced closer together. Thats why some sounds work better on windy days and why some don't. With the last two callers mentioned the sound will travel farther than the first type of caller but the sound wave will also narrow down as it goes and will only be effective in a much smaller area and the louder caller will gain a little more distance over the other..
For sounds produced by other callers the F-P sounds seem to be on the higher pitch side which in turn would produce sound waves that are close together and thin (med.) The WT sounds all seem to run simular and they produce a farther spaceing but thicker waves, there are a few sounds I do have on mine that wouldbe simular to the F-P and noticed they work very well on calm days.. As the sound waves come out of a speaker they are pretty much equal till they get farther out then they weaken on the outer edges and not go as far but still stay strong through out the middle. I've played around with this quit abit and thats the reason why I broad-cast my sounds from side to side to cover more of a area and call in whats there..
 

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Posted by tlbradford (Member # 1232) on June 08, 2010, 08:21 AM:
 
Tim if you are really interested in broadcasting sound 360 degrees, I would submit that you are much better off leaving the ecaller in place and doing so with a hand call. Much less movement for the same effect. Since movement is probably the number one enemy for getting busted.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 08, 2010, 08:52 AM:
 
tlbradford; What little moument i make to broadcast the sound has'nt been that criticle. Its only done at the beginning of the stand and have no problems bringing them in by doing so. When a caller blowing on a hand call turns his head to do the same and if not wearing some sort of camo on his face is going to tip off a coyote more than me moveing a caller from side to side.
What I'm getting at is if you want more coyotes per stand or more productive stands is to broad-cast the sound more to cover a large area, less stands you have to make..
Also on a few boards I read where a coyote or two was spotted 5-600 yds or more out from a stand and the coyote or coyotes would'nt respond and just kept doing what ever it was they were doing.. I had simular happen before and on a recent hunt I had a pair of coyotes out about a mile or so and acted like they were'nt interested. So I picked up the caller and moved it slowly from side to side till I could see the coyotes react to the sound i was playing at the time. The lite breeze was out of the S-E and I had to position the caller a little more to the left and then they picked up on the sound and came in.
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on June 08, 2010, 09:19 AM:
 
Which brings to mind the FOXPRO feature called Fox Fade. With this feature there is no need to hold the caller, ergo NO movement.
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on June 08, 2010, 10:42 AM:
 
"Which brings to mind the FOXPRO feature called Fox Fade. With this feature there is no need to hold the caller, ergo NO movement."
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Uncle Jay,
Surely you wouldn't try to baffle a calling expert like TA17 with simple facts now would you?

Lord I apologize for posting that right up there, and please be with the starving pygmies down there in Africa--Amen
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on June 08, 2010, 10:56 AM:
 
TA isn't going to become a FoxPro owner anyway so who gives a shit. He's a WT guy so there is no sense in trying to explain anything to him or waste the time typing anything. It's quite simple actually TA. WT doesn't have the feature so don't worry about who has the remote or if its going to work or not!
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on June 08, 2010, 11:08 AM:
 
I understand but playing this game makes me feel waaayyy smarter than I actually am. Makes me feel like I went to college or something.
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 08, 2010, 11:34 AM:
 
Maybe he's spending too much time to listening to "Studio grade" sounds to think clearly.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2010, 11:39 AM:
 
Dang, this thread has some hot info! It's going to the printer for when I write my book. It will be in the chapter about useless bullshit.

Jay, your account doesn't have any restrictions. Never did, near as I can determine? You can change anything in your signature, so quit making it look (insinuating) like I do evil (PM type) stuff!

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on June 08, 2010, 12:09 PM:
 
Leonard still fun messing with the WT faithful though when a guy gets a chance
 

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Posted by Bomba (Member # 71) on June 08, 2010, 12:32 PM:
 
Bomba think this like Blue Collar Comedy guy... Here's your sign.
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on June 08, 2010, 01:15 PM:
 
Thanks Bomba! Glad to see you back here!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2010, 01:16 PM:
 
Where'd he come from, I thought I banned him?

Oh well, welcome back Bomba. What's shakin'?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 08, 2010, 01:41 PM:
 
Gee you F-P guys are a little sensative. All I asked was a question. Cal I own all kinds of E-calls just not a F-P, but you never know...
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 08, 2010, 01:47 PM:
 
I was going to try and stay out of this pissing contest about waving the Ecaller around, but since this thread is going in El Bee's book, you guys with your foot on TA's neck may have to give him a little slack. (Not much.....just a little) I'm pretty sure that in my video collection (hunting - not porn) I've seen Gerry Blair and / or Gerald Stewart do exactly that; hold the caller up in the "Here I am!!!" position and rotate it around a few times, then set it down beside themselves. I'm not going to argue with Gerry or Gerald. If it works for them (and TA) in their areas, that's great. In my areas, the way that I set up, it would just be silly. Your mileage may vary.

Ok, you may now resume standing on TA's neck.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 08, 2010, 02:00 PM:
 
Thanks Koko, but you also forgot Ed Scerry.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the f-bang if it works and it is a good idea for anyone that may have a use for it, but I don't..

Sales must be down at this time I noticed they have 4-5 F-P pitchers in this thread.

[ June 08, 2010, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2010, 02:14 PM:
 
Kinda like PM, eh Tim? You don't know who your friends are, until you start knocking Foxpro. Even if you aren't knocking Foxpro, just not praising them, you will be cut down to size. But, you can take it. Do you really stand with your speaker above your head and slowly rotate? You know, of course that in some parts, you would be rushed before you could pick up your rifle and take a seat. I guess it's okay where you see them a mile away?

I have seen Gerald do it, but it was at night so that doesn't count, koko.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on June 08, 2010, 02:25 PM:
 
Sounds like an awesome solution to a non-existent problem!

How in the world did anyone EVER call coyotes before the invention of e-callers!
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 08, 2010, 02:42 PM:
 
Truth is, booger, back in "the day", we did actually call coyotes. Nowadays, the caller calls the coyote and the guy on the remote just takes the credit. LOL You and I need to schedule a hunt this fall/winter either out around your country or back here in mine. I'll let you pick.

BTW, noticed your sig line. Did anyone think to take down the part of the sign that lays claim to Arlen Specter yet? (Man,that has to hurt...)
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 08, 2010, 02:59 PM:
 

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I have seen Gerald do it, but it was at night so that doesn't count

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Truth is, booger, back in "the day", we did actually call coyotes. Nowadays, the caller calls the coyote and the guy on the remote just takes the credit. LOL You and I need to schedule a hunt this fall/winter either out around your country or back here in mine. I'll let you pick.

BTW, noticed your sig line. Did anyone think to take down the part of the sign that lays claim to Arlen Specter yet? (Man,that has to hurt...)

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Baboon only know one way to feel accomplishment. That way to pound chest and relieve waste on others.
Others know what baboon doing but keep quiet hoping baboon go away.
Some baboon never know they are nothing more than goat.

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Bomba understand.
Goat not know garbage from food.
When full, goat need get rid of waste.
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on June 08, 2010, 05:43 PM:
 
Tim I could see benefit in your 360 with wind but on days of 5 or less mph their hearing is accute enough and if your within reasonable range they are going to hear your offering 360 or 180. Won't matter as they will point point that location very well.
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on June 08, 2010, 06:25 PM:
 
I think Fox Bang is cool. I'll use it at least some of the time.

I think it's even more cool that Bomba has returned though .

And Tim, please leave Blaine out of this. I'm not going to speak for him, ever, but I'm 100% certain he'll be pissed off about getting his name drug through this pile of baboon shit when I show it to him in a day or two...

- DAA
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on June 08, 2010, 07:02 PM:
 
Leonard,

I go to school until 7:30 pm (and this week the drop-in tutoring center is open until 9:00 pm).

I was up late, here at home, studying for the last of my finals (English Composition today, and Algebra I tomorrow), and working on the final draft of a seven page - argumentitive analysis - essay (on how ballot-driven initiatives have changed the way wildlife management policies are created in this country, and why this needs to stop, it's actually really good stuff).
*Did you guys know that PETA euthanizes 98% of the companion animals they take in?

...But, I digress...

My mind was zipping along, too much caffiene, too much stress, and way way too much algebra. So I needed something to help me sleep... Tim's always good for a yawn or two, and didn't disappoint me at all, last night.

Tim,

You could read until your eyes bleed, that doesn't mean, to me, that you'd learn shit, though.

Your "in front of vs behind the muzzle" analogy only address "amplitude", not attitude.
Sound still travels away from the source, in all directions (not just out along the X and Y axes, it goes up along the Z axis too, and fills every single point therein).

Granted, Doppler's Law does address the variablity of wavelengths, like the ripples from a pebble dropped into a stream of moving water.... but... Until the wind approaches a fairly significant portion of the speed of sound, there won't be much difference in the dispersal pattern of sound waves... it might "squish" the sound (pitch variance), to a minimal degree, but that's all.
And waving your speaker around won't "repair" the effects of this Doppler shift.

The fact that you can hear yout WT speaker when you stand behind it, only deflates your directional speaker theory... sound, unlike a focused beam flashlight, is unidirectional from it's source (like a candle's open flame... or the Sun).
Again, you're talking about amplitude, dude.

Reaching out farther, through directing of the speakers greatest amplitude, is the good reason to wave your speaker around, not to affect the overall dispersal of that sound.

Your "test" will show there is no variance in directionality, only in AMPLITUDE.

You and Sly both need to go to a lot more school (and actually learn something while you're there) before you'll qualify as sound experts in my book!

Until then, you're both shit flinging baboons.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2010, 07:04 PM:
 
A damned shame, I tell ya. Totally innocent, minding his own bidness, yet he get's drugged through baboon shit! You guys oughter be ashamed of yoreselves. Doggone it,

I'm THIS CLOSE >>>¤<<< to shutting this down! Grrr!
 

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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on June 08, 2010, 07:41 PM:
 
PETA doesn't kill 98% of the animals they take in every year, but the number is pretty high each year. can see those numbers if you google PETAkillsanimals.

And aren't higher pitched sounds more directional than lower pitched sounds. I know back in the day when I had a custom sound system installed in my pick-em up truck, the tweeters were postioned toward the occupants, and even to this day, subs are usually placed in the trunk because you actually feel those "sounds" more so then hear them, so I can see Tim's theory having some validity. higher pitched distress sounds need to be pointed toward the ears to be heard, not that I've ever done what he preaches because I don't try to call'em from the next county to start with.

Not that I'm stickin' up for PETA or Tim, just applying what I don't know about the two subjects at hand.

Carry on.......clap on ...clap off......by the way, I've gotten away with a lot of movement before and have even hade'm rush me when they saw my movement,.....so to say movement is deal killer isn't nearly as true as them hitting the human scent cone.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 08, 2010, 07:42 PM:
 
Wish I'd known that was the topic of a paper you were doing, Krusty. I'd have sent you parts of the Human Dimension Unit study the Colorado Dept. of Wildlife used to outlaw trapping. You wouldn't believe the crap storms I've gotten into with our state wildlife officials who base 60 percent of their wildlife management decisions off consensus votes in the legislature and polls, and the remaining 40% on what their own data sets tell them is happening with the actual populations. They keep telling me that wildlife management has changed since I got my degree and that, today, it's more about people management. I keep telling them that they've abandoned their principals and the only reason things have changed is because they don't have enough hair on their bums to stand up for what they know is right. We've come to something of an impasse.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 08, 2010, 08:06 PM:
 
Lets say i am a baboon so whats that make you Monkeys..
Well I guess I'll go pound my chest and look for a monkey to crap on..
 

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Posted by luckyjack (Member # 3462) on June 08, 2010, 09:16 PM:
 
"Reaching out farther, through directing of the speakers greatest amplitude, is the good reason to wave your speaker around, not to affect the overall dispersal of that sound."

I don't wave a speaker around over my head, but it sure as hell would affect the overall dispersal of the sound.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2010, 09:32 PM:
 

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"Reaching out farther, through directing of the speakers greatest amplitude, is the good reason to wave your speaker around, not to affect the overall dispersal of that sound."

I don't wave a speaker around over my head, but it sure as hell would affect the overall dispersal of the sound.

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Maybe so, but in practice, any tree or set of rocks or undulation in the terrain, even grass could affect "overall dispersal" just as much as waving the speaker around. I think we are getting off on a tangent here?

Anybody remember those experiments with Bell Labratories where they set up two pedestals at opposite ends of an oval room and showed how a whisper could be heard nowhere else but the opposite pedestal?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on June 08, 2010, 10:36 PM:
 
TR,

I don't put much weight behind those numbers, and I certainly didn't cite them in my paper.

They were gleaned from the Connecticut Sportmen's site, which wouldn't meet the requirements of "scholarly" writings (peer reviewed). And, apparently, were exagerated?

Tim's readings of mouse squeaks actually show that they seemed to be more unidirectional than other sounds he used. But considering the flaws in his testing, those results bear no more weight than the numbers I cited above.

Lance,

I had gotten stuck, early in the outlining process, and considered contacting you (and Higgins) for leads, but I didn't know where you and I were at as far as interpersonal relations, and eventually found enough to get myself going again (it was a great learning experience, in the area of research, which was part of why my dept. head/advisor had me write [an English paper] on a topic relating to my own major).

He totally digs the fact that I have a NWCO background, and actually had me do some consulting on a bird problem the school is having with the new roof that's been erected over the tennis courts.

Thanks a million for the offer, though, just the same. It's nice to know that things can change for the better.
Andy and Tim might be able to take something from that, themselves, eh?

*I finally got going so well that my 5-6 page paper quickly grew beyond 8 1/2, with 2 topics still on my outline that I had to leave out - econimic values of consumptive wildlife usage (in WA and throughout the nation), and rural vs urban voting records on hotbutton issues like predator control.
My English instructor allowed me an extra page, and gave me 10 points (possible) extra credit for it... but when you already have an A those extra points don't amount to much.

I used the fact that the WDFW has the power to overturn these policies established by "tyranny of majority", and has done exactly that with the hound hunting for cougars pilot program that is now part of the hunting regulations, to make the very point you do... they don't have the balls to tell urbanite voters to butt out, even though they have the power to.

Luckyjack,

I'll say it again... sound emanates outward from it's source, in all directions.
In some cases the amplitude is greater in a given direction, in Tim's case in particular that's where he's waving his speaker. But that doesn't stop that sound from going where his speaker ISN'T pointed.

Dispersal is infinite, barring blockage, refraction, and/or shadowing (such as Leonard's trees and valleys).

Leonard,

Since when were we supposed to stay on tangent here?

Tim's full of shit, and I'd like the opportunity to point that out, and use my new math skilz!

Krusty
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on June 09, 2010, 06:02 AM:
 
Krusty,
I had a whole spiel typed up yesterday about sound waves, frequency & amplitude last evening, as it seemed like alot of mumbo-jumbo in TA's post about "sound waves"...

Typed it, read it, proofread it, thought about it & then deleted the whole dang thing before ever hitting the ADD Reply button.

So just wanted to thank you for explaining what I was about to attempt myself!
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on June 09, 2010, 06:53 PM:
 
OK....
I owe everyone some clarifications and corrections to the FOXBANG feature.

FOXBANG is a feature incorporated into the remote and is designed for the remote operator in case the remote operator is the shooter. This is important. For the remote operator. Not for the hunting partner. This enables the remote operator to NOT have to worry about taking eyes off the target to handle the remote.

Depending on the sesitivity setting the report of a rifle fired by the hunting partner MAY set off FOXBANG. 30 yards away...probably not. That answers Tim's question (with clarity I hope).

The 5 sensitivity settings work from 22 cal all the way up. With the unit set on its highest sensitivity setting, extraneous noises may cause the remote to pick up the sound and trigger the FOXBANG feature.

My personal testing was on a test unit having only 2 sensitivity settings. Since that time, extensive testing was done by FOXPRO with all calibers and 3 new sensitivity settings were added. 1-2-3-4-5 with #1 having the most sensitivity for small arms and YES even suppressed rifles.

The setting should be set according to the remote operstor's firearm.

Would a fart set it off on setting #1? That depends on the tightness of the seal preventing escaping gasses. This situation has NOT undergone testing but I'm sure some knucklehead will attempt this maneuver. Consult your dietician and local doctor.

My limited knowledge on FOXBANG was only through self discovery after the unit arrived. I was privy to range testing using many calibers under various settings.

My role in testing was... Whether or not it worked. I did not take it hunting because as we all know I never hunt during the dog days of summer.

If you have other questions I will only attempt to answer questions I know the answer to. Otherwise we will all have to wait until I learn the answer.

Clear as mud??? yes? no?
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on June 09, 2010, 07:11 PM:
 
Jay,

Will Foxpro be incorporating this feature into the TX 200 remote?
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on June 09, 2010, 11:19 PM:
 

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Will Foxpro be incorporating this feature into the TX 200 remote?

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No. The upgrade would be for the TX-500 remotes that operate Fury, Prairie Blaster and CS-24 models.

edit: Aslo for the Scorpion X1B model and and the Firestorm of course.

[ June 09, 2010, 11:23 PM: Message edited by: Jay Nistetter ]
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on June 10, 2010, 02:45 AM:
 
Okay thanks.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 10, 2010, 04:03 PM:
 
I keep seeing ads for a device that emits an ultrasonic sound that supposedly deters dogs from barking. Dog barks. Transmitter is activated. Dog shuts up. Or, doesn't. Same technology? I figured out that they outfit the remote to pick up the gun's report. Admittedly, I'm impressed and intrigued how they retrofit a receiver device into a transmitter. I guess nothing more than a high-power transceiver, eh?

Like I said earlier, 12:00...12:00...12:00...,
That's me. LOL
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on June 10, 2010, 05:33 PM:
 
I have no freaking clue.
My techno savvy only wants to know if it works, not why. I really didn't intend this to become a commercial.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 10, 2010, 05:59 PM:
 
Just lay back and enjoy it, Jay.
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on June 11, 2010, 08:15 AM:
 
"Just lay back and enjoy it, Jay."
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He probably did that back in his younger days Leonard.
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 11, 2010, 03:46 PM:
 
Rich, I think a lot of us did that, way back then. I am pretty sure I remember those days.
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on June 23, 2010, 03:30 PM:
 
You push a button the sound comes on!

You push a button it gets softer or louder!

You push a button it changes the sound!

If it does that 99%of the time I'm happy

Those are the three things I NEED it to do. I can decide the rest. If it doesn't do those things I don't carry the SOB.

If all I need to do is punch a button when and if I want a sound after I have shot one of multiples it hasn't been a problem.

Hoping it's going to work off a sensor in hunting conditions is putting more faith in it than I would have in it. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I kind of like having that control when I think I need it. It's on a lanyard around my neck it's not to hard to find.

What if it doesn't come on when you want it to. Is the remote in the FoxBang mode locked and the feature have to be turned off to get the regular remote features to work? I guess you could try shooting again!!

I guess if the finding of the remote and getting sound to come out of your caller quicker after the shot is an issue, you would find value in this. I thought this was one of the selling points of this new remote, it's ability to play sounds with the preset feature quickly after the shot. I've got that on the WT remote, never use it.

Should sell some callers and get some cash for the updates thou. Adding more coyotes?

Hats of to FP and the marketing staff, looks like it is working.

But then I'm a WT guy, who gives a shit!!

I would like mine to play, NICKELBACK'S "I WANT TO BE A ROCKSTAR"!!!
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 23, 2010, 05:07 PM:
 
You could do that with a Foxpro, Randy (lol).
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on June 23, 2010, 07:17 PM:
 
You know what Al, years ago had they had the sounds or the volume I may have owned one.

I am quite happy with my long term useage of the WT and have no need for additional sounds. The sound libary, remote, and volume have filled my needs and expectations.

I understand the excitement the FP users must be seeing with the additions to it's libary and developement of it's callers. They must be seeing an increase in responces etc. vs, the old sounds and callers. Good for FP and their following.
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 24, 2010, 06:42 AM:
 
Randy, I am pleased your experience has been good with your W.T. unit. You are obviously a good hunter and seem like a guy anybody would enjoy hunting with. Foxpro has come a long way and there is a lot to be pleased with. Good hunting at ya.
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on June 24, 2010, 01:09 PM:
 
Randy my understanding is you will be able to turn that function on or off, it won't always be on.

Yes I feel it will add coyotes as your going to be more accurate and ready for a quicker 2 nd shot by not having to remove your cheek from the gun stock or look down at the remote. You set what sound you want and it comes on, will be very handy and will offer them no movement what so ever on your part. If it is 40.00 or more then too much 20.00 or less then a great deal.

FP has come along ways and WT has nothin on them anymore, I have heard the atom next to my Cs-24 and I can tell no differance. Remember I have used both the WT sounds and FP and Minaska so I can make a informed opinion. Meaning I have seen the reaction from all 3 sound brands. Also FP has 2 of the best sounds I have ever used and they flat out work and on that 2nd coyote you should see the reactions from them when you play the X factor sound!!!!! Really amazing and consistant reponses. Brings them out of hidy holes really well for the plane too as they could attest to that!

Just more technology everyone has a choice to use it or not. Just one company is quicker to come out with inovation than others I guess?

As far as responses never had an older FP caller, I know what they do now as of the time I became an owner and that is what matters. FP is moving full speed ahead while a "certain" company drags it's feet on the notion of allowing an open system or not, we all knwo the reason to drag it's feet but will the pressure get to this company or not is the question. I just find it ironic the answer so far has been working on the software to protect it's sounds LOL, FP has done that a few years back, light years ahead is changin to lightyears behind LOL.

Randy plus of you want nickleback on your atom you need to send it to "Doctor feel good" to hook you up with a 10.00 charge I'm sure. With a FP you could have say 100 songs of your choice on there in a matter of a few mintues, could have 40 call sounds and then nickelback and lady gaga if you like

Plus by next year Ol Bill should be having a solid run on more sound sales as with the WT sounds now added on (3) 5 and dime type caller offerings before long everyone will have the WT sound liabary to choose from meaning new sounds to be needed in areas of high use.

Admit it after reading my post it had to make you laugh just a little didn't it??????? Just givin ya a hard time. I know your just smilin and wavin at us poor lost FP souls

[ June 24, 2010, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: coyote whacker ]
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 24, 2010, 11:50 PM:
 
Where I do agree that Technology is a great thing most of the time,I do think it does get alittle ridiculous sometimes.Foxpro is definitely on the cutting edge when it comes to new gadgets for this and that,but unless you're a field staffer you will always be spending money trying to upgrade to the newest and greatest thing they have to offer.

Case in point when the state of the art FX3 came out I bought one.Great unit for 400 bucks but not more than a year later they offered the FX5,better remote more sounds yada yada yada,so I upgraded for only 200 bucks,thought that was great.But a year later a new and better unit came out but had a new and better remote again and wasn't compatible to the FX5 so if I wanted new Technology from Foxpro I gotta Pay for it.

And Just about every year they come out with something new and better but again you're going to pay for it.So I have just decided even though theres alot of great ideas out there,My out dated FX5 still calls coyotes pretty well and I can never stay on top of the game unless I mortgage the House.LOL

And what's really interesting to me is that my $8.00 hand calls still seem to call a hell of a high Percentage of the coyotes I kill every year

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 25, 2010, 08:05 AM:
 
IMO, Foxpro's being progressive does not cause any of the customers a problem. I had a FX-3 that I upgraded to a FX-5 for $200.00 and considered it money well spent. I still think the FX-5 and its remote is a great unit and will serve its owner well for many years. The advances to FHSS technology, Foxbang, The Jack Attack, and an improved sound library are typical of a company who is doing its homework. The members of the Field Staff help evaluate the advancements, helping Foxpro and their customers. All in all, its a win win situation.
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on June 25, 2010, 09:12 AM:
 
LB, I know you don't do the whole advertiser bit here, but you sure are missing out with Al. You need an advertising czar.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 25, 2010, 10:50 AM:
 
Yeah, well. That's the deal. Al, or anybody else can hustle Foxpro, or anybody else. It's a simple reaction to the many misdeeds of PM. Huntmasters does not have a moderating staff to badger and delete anybody that is not a paying sponser, etc. I'm hoping that it makes PM look petty and chasing a buck?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 25, 2010, 10:55 AM:
 
Hell, Leonard, I couldn't be an advertising czar. I don't like Miller Lite.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on June 25, 2010, 11:03 AM:
 
Elbee, I swear, if someone doesnt promote Miller Lite in the next couple posts, Im gonnna be this close to shuttin this thread down.

All these companies free loadin with advertising and a good paying customer not mentioned...
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on June 25, 2010, 11:26 AM:
 
Don't worry Andy, I've got your back Yo..

I plan on pickin' up a sixer after work tonight
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 25, 2010, 12:29 PM:
 
Whew, thanks Dave. You be a lifesaver!
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on June 25, 2010, 01:28 PM:
 
Damn, that was a close one, thanks Dave.

All of you stop and pick up some cold Miller Lite and dont forget your Aunt Jamima syrup!
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on June 25, 2010, 01:36 PM:
 
I'm going to a Cross Canadian Ragweed concert later tonight, I'm sure someone there will be drinking a Miller Lite.
 

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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on June 25, 2010, 02:46 PM:
 


 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on June 25, 2010, 03:07 PM:
 
Where are they playing tonight Tom? I have seen them a couple times. Good show. Throw in some Jason Boland and Reckless Kelly....now your talkin.

[ June 25, 2010, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: CrossJ ]
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on June 25, 2010, 03:29 PM:
 
Ive tried alot of stuff over the years, but never Cross Canadian Ragweed. Is it expensive?
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on June 25, 2010, 05:37 PM:
 
Sounds to me like a CCR concert is a tough place NOT to have fun at.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on June 25, 2010, 08:37 PM:
 
Ok, true to my word I picked up a sixer of Miller Lite after work. I ate dinner, made a post, ran a errand, then finally cracked open a cold Miller !


Proof I'm not a phony ! and showing total support for our newest sponsor
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 25, 2010, 08:51 PM:
 
Does it taste great, or is it less filling?

[ June 25, 2010, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on June 25, 2010, 09:06 PM:
 
LB, I'd have to say its the best of both worlds I just killed my 1st, one more and I'm done, gotta' work tomorrow

(Edit) photos do add 10 lbs

[ June 25, 2010, 09:09 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on June 25, 2010, 10:56 PM:
 
Sorry for the late reply Geordie, I was on my way out when I posted. They were at Winstar casino down by Thackerville. If you get a chance you'd better see em again pretty quick, talk is this is the last tour. Hard to believe it's been 15 years. It was my second time to see them, the first was down on Texhoma, that was wild! Me and the wife took our oldest daughter and son in law down there for her birthday, had a blast.

Anyway, I didn't see anyone drinking Miller lite, seems this Bud something has alot of paid or unpaid promoters down there, crushing the competition. Come to think of it though, I didn't see any Fox Pro stuff either so it must not be the PM boys.

One other odd thing worth noting, a dear friend of the band, didn't catch his name, came out on stage and had a few words to share. He started off by saying he wanted to see some titties, then he brought his girlfriend on stage and proposed to her. He must have forgot she was with him and the proposal was the only way to salvage the night. Keep him in your prayers...
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on June 26, 2010, 06:06 AM:
 
Tom thats hilarious. LOL

Dave, thank you so much. I believe you deserve a personal sponsorship. We will have to talk to than and see if we can work that out.
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on June 26, 2010, 09:30 AM:
 
You need to try some Cross Canadian Ragweed Andy. Probably my favorite band/music ever. I found a new second favorite also in Blackberry Smoke. If you like any of the old southern rock like Molly Hatchet you will love Blackberry Smoke. You can listen to alot of their stuff on the web.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 26, 2010, 10:29 AM:
 
Doesn't anybody like Barry Manilow and Harry Connick Jr.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on June 26, 2010, 10:32 AM:
 
Yeah, I like that kind of music alot Cal. Ill have to check it out.
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on June 26, 2010, 01:03 PM:
 
Dave we used to call those big cans SILO'S a long time ago.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on June 26, 2010, 01:26 PM:
 
ElBee, my wife likes Barry, never heard of Harry but I take her to Vegas every year and buy her a front row (or close as I can) ticket so she can watch him and I can go on to the casino.
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on June 26, 2010, 04:01 PM:
 
I wouldn't piss on Barry Manilow if he were on fire!
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on June 27, 2010, 06:46 AM:
 
Geordie, you got a new email address?? If so send me a pm to get it. What I have was returned.

I will say those Barry 8 tracks playin in the old muscle cars, back in the 70's used to be the deal closer, chicks dug it.

AAAHH the good ole days!!! Life was so much simpler.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 27, 2010, 08:49 AM:
 
Yeah, but nowadays, you don't even need a deal closer. All your latent talent going to waste. And, who knew I could have banged those hot teachers, in high school?!!! Never even occured to me, at the time. Ah, progress; and change we can believe in!

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 27, 2010, 09:08 AM:
 
Yeah, Leonard, with your James Dean looks and the right attitude, you could have nailed those hotties.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 27, 2010, 09:12 AM:
 
Actually, Al. I'm not complaining too much. But, knowing then, what I know now, I would have been awesome, but I'm too humble to talk about it.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 27, 2010, 09:59 AM:
 
LB, you de man!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 27, 2010, 11:32 AM:
 
I'm okay, you're okay.
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on June 28, 2010, 03:09 PM:
 
posted June 26, 2010 04:01 PM
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I wouldn't piss on Barry Manilow if he were on fire!

Aint that the truth.
 

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Posted by oslo (Member # 3517) on July 28, 2010, 11:15 AM:
 
I think the "Fox Bang" is a slick idea, just wondering how well it will work.

On a side note. I am certain that Al Woodard thought of the idea first, One hopes that the Fox Pro boys are not trying to capitolize on
THO's (The Hopeless One) idea. Just think of agony that this could cause. First his bonker design and now the "Fox Bang" This coming after the Homosexual jokes hit a smidge to close to home for Al on FnF. When will it end?

[ July 28, 2010, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: oslo ]
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on August 02, 2010, 01:20 PM:
 
Well we shall see how well it works I sent off my 15 w cs-24 today to get the added feature. Should be back in 10-14 days.
 

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Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on August 02, 2010, 02:58 PM:
 
What is the charge for the new feature?
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on August 02, 2010, 06:18 PM:
 
More than I thought 85.00, sounds like new parts in both the caller and remote are needed. I want to try it on 1 cs-24 before I outfit both, if it works as well as I hope then it will be worth it if it helps my double or triple kill rate by a few coyotes a year.

Talling with a friend and co worker who uses a different brand uh um, WT he thinks this is a great improvment as well, we both have the thought process the quicker you can get to the sound after the gun report the better off one is for that 2nd or third coyote. They have crappy short term memories, but adding that alomosy instantanious sound should make a seeable differance and keep one more accurate, by tracking those extra coyotes in the scope and waiting for a stopped shot.
 

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Posted by luckyjack (Member # 3462) on August 03, 2010, 09:46 AM:
 
Gizmos, doohickys, whizbangs, bells, whistles, foxbangs, recalls, presets, resets, post sets,
scent sets. Where's the chrome?

$$$$$$$$$$$$

Give the Dillons credit. I wonder what the Foxpro business is worth.
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on August 03, 2010, 12:35 PM:
 
$85!!, does that come with a tube of FOX LUBE!!!!

The snake oil sellers of the old west would be proud!!
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on August 03, 2010, 12:48 PM:
 
Lucky jack I don't know what FP is worth but am glad to see an american company leading the calling industry. Hard times they keep people employed making good product for all americans.

Randy R no lube that I know of is needed to make fox bang work. I'm hoping it is done to bring to chamberlain to mess with!!!!

Some things are bells and whistles, but other things I feel has good merit and can add critters, this is one I feel will add critters. I feel as well as some others who don't even use a FP caller that this has real merit the quicker one can have that sound play after the first coyote is shot the better for the 2nd or third and more accurate one will be without having to do added movement and better tracking of the coyote.

Besides I would say one can spend the 85.00 on fox bang or pay 10.00 per sound thru another call maker with a 60.00 min order

So I pay 2.00 or less per sound so saving 8.00 per sound equates to the ability to afford fox bang.

I mean really a differance between 3 week, 8 week or 10 week old coyote pups at 10.00 per sound? do they come with a bottle of 12 week old lube?

Gotta give ya hard time randy.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 03, 2010, 01:51 PM:
 
(Chuckle chuckle) When I bought my FoxPro 416 w/remote one of the selling points for me was that for an extra $50.00 I could buy a gizmo that let me program my favorite sounds into the unit off of my tape collection. I had faith in my 'proven' sounds......all of those new noises that came with the unit I wasn't so sure about. I don't know if you guys with the new & improved units have that option, but I can change sounds while sitting on my tailgate if I want to. Handy. Even handier was programing one of my often used sounds at three different volume levels. I can start off at low volume, give it a few minutes and jump to the next channel; same sound, just louder. If the wind comes up, I can go up one more channel to the 'stun' setting with the same sound. Toward the end of the stand, I can downshift thru the channels to lower volume. Works for me / your mileage may vary.
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 03, 2010, 02:41 PM:
 
"Even handier was programing one of my often used sounds at three different volume levels."
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Wow Koko, THAT really sounds handy! Back here in the world of Grandpa's, we just turn the volume up or down on our remote control. Bwwaaa-Haa haah. Andy is about to shut this thread down I think.
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on August 03, 2010, 03:01 PM:
 
the old 416 won't play 24 bit, can't hold 500 sounds to begin with, doesn;t have near the volume or the newer calls. The new tx 500 remote allows you different ramp settings for volume, meaning each push up or down can change it by various numbers.

I like the new remote far better than the older style FP remotes, plus I love the timer on it, very handy to know how long you have been there and when the coyotes come in.

No different than computers many advanacements, then at some point things will slow down, no doubt about it. I look for those things that offer real advantages and the fox bang seems like a winner to me. Time will tell.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 03, 2010, 03:49 PM:
 
Rich;
Yeah, the volume can be changed that way but it just seems easier to jump channels to pre-recorded volume levels. Not to worry about Andy shutting down the thread; as long as it contains the word FoxPro. He's still trying for his sponser's patch.

CoyoteDude;
No doubt that the newer units have all kind of neat features. The problem for me is that I tend to find the simplest thing that works for me and then stick with it. I'm still shooting Zwickey broadheads on 2213s and wearing woodlands camo with a treebark vest. It's worked well in the past, so no reason to change.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 03, 2010, 05:05 PM:
 
OMG! Treebark? Seriously?
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on August 03, 2010, 05:21 PM:
 
yep I shot cedar and then made the switch to alum arrows back in the mid 80's and 2 years ago the carbon and you know what? each has been an improvement in performance for me. Zwickeys, me and my dad used the glue ons on our cedar shafts then we made the switch to bears with threaded shank and thought we had the world by the nuts, until razorbacks came along LOL. I have shot muzzys for 12+ years and see no reason to switch.

Each to his own but simple means different things for different levels and age groups, my kids do alot of "simple" things on the computer that I don't find so simple, but when they get in their 30's simple will be the latest and greatest technology of the times. All relative.

I'm a kings camo fan and before that 15+ years in predator camo as I lived close to the guy that invented it in SGT Bluff, IA got really good deals some free stuff back then.

I rmember the first tree bark I ever wore my mom bought the fabric and sewed me up some nice pants and a shirt LOL. Went to the army outlet in WI and purchased some traps and some genuine tree bark in a camp shirt, OH BOY!

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on August 03, 2010, 05:24 PM:
 
Koko,

If you could see the just like new tree bark camo suit I bought on E Bay, you would turn green with envy.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on August 03, 2010, 09:44 PM:
 
Did someone say TREEBARK!!! Love the stuff!
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 04, 2010, 08:21 AM:
 
Yeah, TreeBark's good stuff, but Rich should see the really neat TigerStripe jacket that I got in a thrift shop a few years back.
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on August 14, 2010, 07:21 AM:
 
Ok received caller back with foxbang. The draw back is that I thought you could get it to come on after the mute button was pushed, you can't!

So if your calling and have a pair of coyotes comming you need to volume down the sound you are using to 0 on the remote.

My calling style is to see the appraoching coyotes and stop them or make them work by pausing the sounds, if you hit mute/pause then it won't come on, not the way I thought this would work the remote must be active for foxbang to work, I talked with a Mike at FP and I'm hopefull the enginnering staff can get this to work in the manner I think would be more effective for many callers.
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 14, 2010, 08:00 AM:
 
This might not work, in other words it might be a stupid idea, but... I'm wondering, if you could just create a preset at 0 volume and hit that preset instead of mute, to accomplish the same thing. Then the unit would still be in preset mode, not mute mode, and Foxbang would work as you had hoped? Hitting a preset button is easier than mute anyway, for me?

I haven't played with it at all yet, myself, so excuse me if I'm just totally off in the weeds here.

I agree with your thinking on the feature either way though, would be more useful if it just worked whether in mute or not. I'm sure they'll do what they can on that, Foxpro is a great company in that regard - they DO listen and DO try to improve and add stuff based on customer feedback all the time. But knowing a little bit about how such things work (on the programming side), I think it might be pretty hard to do without re-programming a bunch of other, seemingly unrelated stuff. That mute mode apparently applies across everything, changing a primary property like that touches everything, which often makes it harder to do than it might seem. The guys that do that kind of stuff at my work talk about it like putting your finger in a dike to stop a leak in one spot, but then five other leaks that weren't there before spring up in five other places.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on August 14, 2010, 08:14 AM:
 
DAA - that should work. I have tried it with a coaxer preset real soft and at the shot it will change to your number one preset and sound level.
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on August 14, 2010, 08:17 AM:
 
That is how I set mine up, with Preset 0 on silence. It works fine that way.
 

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