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Posted by yotecaller (Member # 179) on July 07, 2003, 05:37 PM:
 
I have been keeping my stands quite light so I only bring what I need.For calls I have been bringing my open reed C&G call(Made by Rich Cronk and Richard Grantham)my Brass Rhino(made by Jay) and my Songdog Howler(made by Tim Richard)and my FoxPro.So what calls do all you guys bring to a stand?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 07, 2003, 06:19 PM:
 
I just stick a couple in my pocket, I don't own a "bad" call. If I don't like 'em when I get 'em, I tinker a bit until I'm satisfied. I like to have a diaphram call with me, so that would be three. I'm bound to be happy with one or the other?

The past several years, I have started lugging a howler, so, lemme see, I guess I'm up to four, huh?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on July 08, 2003, 09:38 AM:
 
I probably get a little more carried away than most of you when it comes to calls. I carry mine in a little trifold, toiletry travel pouch. It's about 10" wide and unfolds to about 15". It has 5 or 6 small compartments made for sticking in the small shampoo and rinse bottles. That's where I place my most used calls. It also has a small fishnet zippered pouch and also another zippered enclosed pouch for a couple of back up calls.

I carry the travel pouch along with a Carlton bell in a fanny pack, worn "California style". When I get to a stand, I unfold the pouch, lay it on the ground and pull out the calls I plan to use.

Calls I usually have with me are: Critr'Call Pee Wee, Standard and a Songdog, one or two Mini-Blasters, Circe 3 in one and maybe a couple of the Modern call mini tubes in the jack rabbit voice.

Do I hear laughing?

Dennis
 

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Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on July 08, 2003, 11:02 AM:
 
I have so many calls around my neck. I look like a Witch Doctor in a old Tarzan movie. I have carried them so long I don't have to look were there at. I can put my hand on just the one I won't. Do I need them?. Hell no. But I think I do.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on July 08, 2003, 02:46 PM:
 
All of 'em. I usually carried them in a tackle box in my truck, and picked out the ones I wanted to use before heading to my seup. Then, you're sitting there thinking, "You know what call would work best right now? The one I ain't got. Dooohhh!" So, I was in the sporting goods section after turkey season closed and, by golly, they had these really nice turkey vests for sale for under twenty so I bought it. Forty-eleven pockets, and a nice padded butt pad attached to the back. Everything I used fits in a pocket somewhere so I toss the rifle over my shoulder, jump on the ATV and away I go. Can't never have too many calls with ya. Would you go bass fishing with just one lure?
 

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Posted by Purple220 (Member # 173) on July 13, 2003, 07:06 AM:
 
My most trusted and go to calls (2) are in my shirt pocket. The Tally Ho and Tweety are the pair. If I can't call a critter with those two, I probably can't call them in with anything. Still playing with the howler some, just don't have the confidence in it yet.
Bob

[ July 13, 2003, 07:07 AM: Message edited by: Purple220 ]
 

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Posted by Ernest Sandoval (Member # 156) on July 13, 2003, 11:23 PM:
 
I carry three mouth diaphram calls in a little case, which is always with me in my pocket, and a cronk howler, I'm at work right now, and I had two diffrent groups of coyotes, all up in a fuss, trying to figure out who was the third party, these coyotes have never been hunted or called, one time I had seven coyotes, sitting down with in 25yds, thinking I ate the rabbit that was hurt.
 

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Posted by Chucker223 (Member # 215) on July 16, 2003, 09:38 AM:
 
I am relatively new to all of this, but my favarite call so far is Al Lux. It has a beatiful sound and so far provided good results.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 16, 2003, 04:28 PM:
 
Welcome to the New Huntmasters, Chucker223. Glad to have you on board.

An Al Lux call? Yeah, they sure are nice. Al autographed mine, which bothers Michael McCasland no end! (hey, ya gotta ask, dude!)

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Marlowe (Member # 153) on July 16, 2003, 04:43 PM:
 
Always start out with a female coyote lonesome howl. Depending on what happens next, usually another coyote talk. When yotes are in sight, I usually switch to a mouse squeak.. If that doesn't work, back to coyote talk. I use a WT for all my fun..

Marlowe
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on July 16, 2003, 08:02 PM:
 
Marlowe, I liken your choice of sounds. That's pretty much what I do with hand calls. Can you hear any crackle or static from your WT'S speaker?
 

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Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on July 16, 2003, 08:24 PM:
 
Well said Marlowe! I bet your sounds, sound just like mine! Dont let ole Rich play with you. He knows there is no such thing as crackle and static from these great speakers. I also bet your speakers are as quiet as mine too!

How are you doing up there in Gods country? I'm going to be just east of you in Oct with a mutual friend of ours. Nice to see you here.
Steve
 

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Posted by Marlowe (Member # 153) on July 16, 2003, 08:49 PM:
 
Rich Higgins
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posted July 16, 2003 08:02 PM                   

Marlowe, I liken your choice of sounds. That's pretty much what I do with hand calls. Can you hear any crackle or static from your WT'S speaker?

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Rich,
Have been in electronics for 34 years now. I don't put up with any "crackle or static" sounds or speakers. My time is way to valuable for any of that. Don't get me wrong, I can still use a hand call. Always carry one just to give a scream now and then. Have been using the WT's now for a little over 5 years I guess. Not into numbers, but I try to get out every weekend when the fur is prime and it never fails to call them in. Sometimes the gun don't shoot straight though. Ha. Have shot alot of yotes though.
Steve, hope to see you over in Eastern Montana in Oct. I talk to Gary almost everyday. He is making a living doing what most folks on these coyote boards only dream of.. He does alot of coyotes. Just love my WT. Just had Bill update it. Some new sounds also. Awsome stuff. Can't wait until cool weather. 95 in Great Falls today. Cool compared to AZ I'm sure.
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on July 16, 2003, 09:49 PM:
 
Im with you Marlowe....I liken you caller too:) I drag my ole heavy weight WT out each calling season too, couple more years and I suppose I'll have to add wheels. Anyone who claims to hear crackle or scratch from a WT speaker is as full of **** as a christmas goose.
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on July 17, 2003, 08:16 AM:
 

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Anyone who claims to hear crackle or scratch from a WT speaker is as full of **** as a christmas goose.

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anyone who claims that a little crackle or scratch will keep a coyote from coming in, is just as full of ****!

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You can't help liking a guy that tells it like it is!

Vic, I suppose you call a lot more animals with the WT as opposed to the 512 you used for so many years, .....right?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on July 17, 2003, 10:12 AM:
 
I checked my post and really did type "liken", oh well, serves me right. Marlowe, actually I occasionally tweak some of the guys here and they happily tweak back. Good fun for most. I was sincere in my question to you concerning the WT speaker because sound from the two that I have called over were discernible as coming from a speaker. Static was clearly audible in one of them and the owner, who posts here even remarked about it. Perhaps he will weigh in.
My goodness AzHunter, substitite teacher (do your students know you talk like that), still smarting over the "ludricous" tweaking? Declaring me to be as "full of **** as a Christmas goose" is revealing. You apparently eat a great deal of Christmas goose(do search on "You are what you eat")
Tim, et tu?
Gentlemen, my only two expeiences with WT callers did not substantiate the reports from several good, successful, varminters of long experience. I do not know the source of the crackle in the speakers, dust contamination? static electricity? rough treatment? Hence my question to you, Marlowe. No offence or disrespect intended.
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on July 17, 2003, 10:16 AM:
 
Dang, and you too Leonard?
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on July 17, 2003, 10:32 AM:
 
Yes Leonard, I do call substanially more predators with my WT than I did with any other E-caller. Now; is that because I have more time in the field now that Im retired?, or is it the vastly superior quality of sound I get from it? I think so, and like they say "I think, therefore I am". The old quality of sound debate rages on I suppose, and to each their own, but Ive made up my own mind on the matter, and I think it does.
rich...am I still smarting from the spelling lesson you gave me?....naw, I thought from your curt response, you, might still be smarting from the dig I gave about your jittery,suburban, garbage eating coyote footage???? We're big boys, we'll get over it huh:)

~Az-Hunter~

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"Never take yourself more serious than your subject"
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 17, 2003, 10:41 AM:
 
I was looking through the new Cabela's Shooting catalog yesterday and came across some real high tech (machined?) solid copper bullets that were forty dollar or so, and looked again, and that was for twenty of them!

The way human nature is, I'm sure that the guy that uses those bullets will swear that they fly higher and kill better than those cheap ones?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on July 17, 2003, 10:45 AM:
 
So.....in the same vein of thought, I suppose all your NEF,Savage and Ted Williams rifles wear Tasco scopes?....I didn't think so:)
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 17, 2003, 12:21 PM:
 
Sort of, Vic. What I'm saying is that the bullets cost more and made to exacting standards. Therefore, there must be a benefit, real or imagined.

I have used some pretty shabby speakers, and some rather inexpensive machines, and the coyotes don't seem to care. I admit that sophisicated coyotes might respond to studio quality equipment, when they might ignore the cheap crap?

Hard to say if it is the quality of the sound, or the quality of the content. In other words, the WT has some killer sounds, and I don't know if it's that, or the purity of the sound that gets 'em?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on July 17, 2003, 01:30 PM:
 
Who knows Leonard?....it gets old hearing the diatribe for sure, thank god no one MAKES us use a certain scope,rifle,bullet,caliber or call. To each according to our means and desires. I remember seeing an old American Sportsman show, featuring Lee Trevino along with sidekick Curt Gowdy. They were fishing a then premier lake, Presa Novillo, down in old Mexico. They had the big bass boat,sonar,top of the line rods and reels, all the state of the art stuff a basser needs(wants). They crusie into a small inlet, where two young Mexican boys are tossing out lures they have found, off of reels made of coke cans....Lee asks them in spainish "tiene pescados?"....the grinning boys bend down and pull up a stringer of bass that would make a bass beater blush. I suppose as always, it aint what you use but how you use it?

~Az-Hunter~

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"The louder a man protests in an arguement, the less he can be believed"
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on July 17, 2003, 02:43 PM:
 
Rich, the only WT's I've personally hunted over are the "old" backpack models. Absolutely stunning sound quality, not a hint of hiss or crackle that I could detect. The way those units project a sound, to my ears, sounds so much more "real" than a horn speaker, it isn't even funny. More than once, I've actually been fooled by some of the sounds - jerking my head towards the caller to see how that animal got there undetected. Sounds like the ravens feeding etc... They sound absolutely real, and I think, actually do help call more coyotes when intelligently deployed.

That said, my friend that owns one of those old backpack models advised me against buying one of the newer units using a horn speaker. He told me that he hunted over one and that it put out very noticeable white noise during what should be silences, and put out an occasional loud pop when starting a sound. I didn't hear this myself, mind you, but the guy who told me about it is a pretty big WT fan, wouldn't hunt over anything else but his old backpack unit. Certainly, I believe him. If Vic wants to say he's full of **** , that's to be expected. Vic says a lot of crap like that. But, as he likes to say - he'd be saying it from flat on his ass if he talked to people like that in person.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on July 17, 2003, 05:31 PM:
 
I'll be damned???? to read your post daa, I'd almost swear you agree with me totally on the WTs sound system clarity? You used such adjectives as "stunning", "absolutely no hiss or crackle","more real than a horn",etc. So.....what do YOU tell someone who claims the speaker system is full of white noise,pop-crackle-hiss, distortion to the ear? there's only one thing to say.....your full of **** , right:) That aint being cocky, thats being honest, I don't make this stuff up, if it's not factual as I know it, I try not to address it.
I don't know your solution upon hearing BS, maybe you blow it off or leg hang, I don't know, but when bullshit is blabbered, someone should call it, thats what I did....swing away:)

~Az-Hunter~

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 17, 2003, 05:58 PM:
 
Yeah, Dave. If he can dish it out, we assume he can take it, and I have no doubt that he can, even if it came to a short dustup over a crude remark, or a difference of opinion. We sure get passionate about this stuff, don't we?

WT always seems to polarize the members, doesn't matter what particular aspect.

As far as anybody being full of ****, I will concede that the WT unit is arguably the best available, component wise, short of doing it yourself, and even then, you don't have his sounds.

But. There may be reasons why Rich heard what he heard. It could have been a defective unit, or something as simple as a fractured & vibrating speaker wire. A rare occurance. Doesn't mean that he's full of ****. I suppose perfection is beyond the reach of mortals, even Bill Martz?

Remember, he didn't say that the WT was a piece of crap, he merely asked a question of Mr Marlowe, an admitted audiophile.

I think we secretly love to quibble over these minor issues. Why? Because it's kinda fun....if we don't take it too seriously.

Good hunting....LB
 

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Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on July 17, 2003, 06:41 PM:
 
The backpack model speaker produced excellent sound quality. The older round speaker unit did also. Funny thing is they both are the same speaker! I have said it before, and I will say it again..... it is HOW the original recorded animal was recorded and then the sound tweeked in the studio that produces the excellent sound quality. Good speakers help. The current model uses a "horn" type speaker. It is a big speaker as far as size goes, but weighs almost nothing. If this speaker is used right out of the box, the sound quality from the amp in that computer in that little black bag will literally rattle that speaker. I have seen it move around on the ground at 3/4 volume. Simply wrapping the speaker with camo cloth tape takes ALL tinny tones away and it will not rattle,crackle,creek,hiss or anything else for that matter. The sound qulity is just as good as it ever was. The biggest complaint by the public of the WT was always how much it weighed. Bill got it down in weight from 15 pounds, to less than 2 pounds with the same quality sounds and guys now gripe and complain about the "horn" speaker. I say let them gripe. I have called and killed even just as many critters over the newer model as I have the older ones. It is what you are putting through those speakers that makes the difference. This is what Bill is continuing to upgrade all the time. Those sounds do make a difference to me as well. I'm glad Vic found that out too. Use one for more than a trip or two and you will become a believer as well.
FWIW
Steve
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on July 17, 2003, 07:07 PM:
 
Leonard, it's not this issues at hand I take seriously. It's the casual manner with which folks get called liars around here. Personally, that's an accusation I take way seriously.

Frankly, I'm sick of it. But, that's my problem. I'm also embarrassed for having spoken out about it (again). And I'm sick of embarrassing myself too. Better just to stay out of the crap all together.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 17, 2003, 07:43 PM:
 
Dave, I wish I could say that I cannot allow you to just up and leave over some ill chosen words.

Of course, I can't and I won't. But, we've known each other for quite a spell, and I think you know that I try to keep out of the quarrels between others. Sometimes I'm not able to control myself, but I try to remain impartial, not take sides in disputes and moderate with patience. I fail at that, once in a while.

You know that this Internet requires a thick skin, and what rubs you the wrong way might not raise my eyebrow....or visa versa.

I'm telling you, there is no other word to describe the battles I've had with Mr Carlson, in years past. I think we agreed to a truce a while back. Almost a miricle.

Rich Higgins used to become very offended by Scott Huber's attitude. I talked to both of them, and now they are such friends that it's sickening. (almost) I like to think that I helped a little with that one.

Now, I hope you don't think I'm cultivating a climate around here that is unfriendly, because you almost hint that other places are more cordial. That may be true, depending on your point of view and attitude. But, that's not my intent, and never has been. I want you to understand that I am very distressed when any of my friends have a disagreement.

You're a quality guy, in my book, Dave. Stick around, you would be doing all of us a disservice should you stay away; and it would hurt me, personally.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on July 17, 2003, 07:48 PM:
 
Always the mediator Leonard:), and of course, your right. I don't think many of us take this stuff to deeply to heart,I certainly don't. I do want it clear, that I don't think that if your not using a WT caller, your wasting your time. Otherwise I frittered away 30 years of calling time in the field:),using hand me down mouth calls and cheap e calls with tapes that eventually became scratchy and noisy. I do think it's ignorant to throw rocks at the WT caller and those who reccommend its use. Ive used the low end callers and scratchy tapes too, but at the time thats all I had, and it sufficed until I got better equipment. It would be ludricrous(grin) for me to assert that in order to be successful at calling, your best bet is to use crappy callers with loose belts and scratchy, crackly tapes or CDs. No more than I would suggest that foggy,cheap, tasco scopes, mounted on cheap rifles with lousy triggers, and cheap ammo from the cheaper than dirt catalog were every bit as good as a nice Socko rifle, with a gold ring scope or european glass, shooting meticulousy loaded ammo. Anecdotal evidence is amusing to listen to around the campfire or across the barstool, but most of us don't take it to heart, at least I don't think so? We all have our own amazing stories, hell, Ive taken an off hand shot with a colt commander at the 500 yard gong at the range...and HIT the damned thing, but that doesn't make the commander the pistol of choice for long range work. Ive seen coyotes wacked cold as a mackrel with a 22 lr, but I think we can agree that the 22 is not what we look for in a coyote rifle. I could go on and on, as Im sure many of you could. Ive obviously gone on to long now:) Ive forgot where I was headed with this diatribe....Oh yeah, the WT caller,you know, Ive figured out the crux of the whole arguement surrounding this matter. It usually gets back to the owner, and the experiences of prospective buyers...Im convinced that if Gerald Stewart had invented the damned thing, EVERYBODY would own one!
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on July 17, 2003, 08:01 PM:
 
Dave, I agree with Leonard. You would leave a large void. DAA is like E.F.Hutton, when he speaks everyone stops and listens. You are a great asset to any board you post on and I absolutely hope you remain here. BTW, I re-read your posts and don't understand the reason for embarrassment. You were rock solid as usual.

[ July 17, 2003, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: Rich Higgins ]
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on July 17, 2003, 08:32 PM:
 
I suppose this got out of hand? I must be thick skinned, none of this raises my eyebrows either, and Im not sure where the liar syndrome came from? I re-read my post and never came across the word, but you must have implied it I guess? Your a good joe DAA and have good input. I do think you need to suck it up a bit, and in turn I will watch my language, which I forget at times we all do not use behind the shed talk. I always assume we are among men, and can use four letter words as long as they don't get to vulgar, my apologies. It's been rainy and hot, and Ive spent to much time indoors on the computer. I realize Im a contentious sob at times, and think I'll be the one taking a vacation for a spell, you come on back DAA. Ive got a bunch of projects to keep me busy for a while. Catch you fellars around calling time, we'll all be much more mellow then:) later guys!

~Az-Hunter~

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" Never,ever....take yourself more serious than your subject!!!"
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on July 17, 2003, 09:29 PM:
 
~Az-Hunter~

Did I read you right? I know you didn't come right out and say it, but it sure looked to me as if you were saying that, all else being equal. Your WT would call in more coyotes than my 512.

Are you sure about that? Apache Lair makes some real fine Steak dinners, just how sure are you?

Tim
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on July 17, 2003, 10:25 PM:
 
Yeah Az-Hunter, you are a contentious SOB and you have a way of putting my teeth on edge sometimes, which probably means that I actually care about what you think and have to say. I also kinda admire the fact that you seem to have mastered your particular style of calling and are satisfied with it. I'm not even close. Your absence would leave a big void also. Hope you remain. If you don't, Camp Ludricous will play Taps on our howlers while Barney stands at half mast.
 

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Posted by pup (Member # 90) on July 18, 2003, 01:54 PM:
 
How much does one of these "WT's" cost?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 18, 2003, 06:47 PM:
 
It's one of those things where, if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it.

Not really, but let's say that you wanted a real good assortment of sounds, 50/60? Not sure exactly, but I am sure you could buy a good used Toyota 4X4 for what you spent, or a hell of a nice engagement ring for the misses. You decide how many coyotes that's worth.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by JLDakota (Member # 14) on July 18, 2003, 07:45 PM:
 
Couple weeks ago lucked out and picked up an "unused spare" WT (light model) from a Montana big numbers ADC pro who uses nothing but WT. 54 of the most realistic sounds I've ever heard. (no hisses or background sounds by the way) Sold a FoxPro w/remote and am tickled to be into the WT for a grand and the proceeds from the FoxPro. Obviously I got a hell of a deal on mine and haven't seen any Toyota 4x4's for what I got in my outfit. Can't wait for fall to see what my MN coyotes think of the sounds. I have to agree also with a statement Vic made awhile back in reference to comparing e-calls sounds. I've used or heard most out there now and as he said, "No comparison". Jim
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on July 18, 2003, 08:41 PM:
 
Jim,congratulations on finding a great bargain. Is that the new model with the white speaker?
 

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Posted by Marlowe (Member # 153) on July 19, 2003, 04:01 PM:
 
I have read some posts about the weight of the WT. I have not found it too be problem.

Here is the stats on my WT. My backpack weighs 10lbs., WT included. Caller is 7lbs including horn. Too break it down a little, backpack alone is 3lbs., includes pockets that have stocking hat, spare pair of gloves, carrying strap to carry out dead yotes, some emergency stuff. Horn is 3 lbs, caller is 4lbs. Caller bag contains spare batteries, hand calls. The backpack is the way to go with any caller. I sometimes walk quite a ways to do calling. It leaves my hands free for my gun and carrying back to the truck my dead yotes.



[ July 24, 2003, 06:30 AM: Message edited by: Marlowe ]
 

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Posted by JLDakota (Member # 14) on July 19, 2003, 10:41 PM:
 
Rich, Thank you for the congrats. I am pleased with the acquisition of yet another tool and do consider it a bargain. I have followed the controversy concerning the WT caller for years and knew when this one popped up, I had to own it to have a right to an opinion. I'm not up on the various models of the WT callers but the speaker is white. Complete outfit weighs 6.5-7 lbs including bag. I grew up on a farm, humped some heavy loads in Nam and regularly carry out a number of huge dry land coon and beaver during trapping season every year so I know and understand heavy. I don't feel this weight will even be a consideration and expect I will carry it in a turkey hunting back pack which contains a metal frame and a flop down seat. (Yes, my Higgins Howler will always be with and convenient) My biggest concern at this point is committing to memory the numbers that correspond to the various sounds. I took a memory course years ago that taught association of things one knows with things you don't know as one of the means to help remember,so I have to drag out the book and revisit the techniques if I can just remember where the book is. Jim
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on July 22, 2003, 02:26 PM:
 
Leonard, don't worry about me. And I apologize for creating any drama - I really regret it. I wasn't going to respond here at all, simply because I didn't want to drag it out. But I feel like not responding is disrespectful, so... And no, I don't think you're cultivating an unfriendly environment here. It just comes with the territory.

Vic, don't you worry about me either. Thick skin is a required attribute on the 'net in general, and predator boards in particular. I know that as well as anyone. If my skin gets worn thin, that's not your problem. Your input here is valued by many. Frankly, I consider myself just slightly above beginner level as a predator caller, so don't contribute a whole lot of input anyway. You leaving on my account would be unjust.

- DAA
 

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on July 22, 2003, 04:56 PM:
 
It's good to see everybodys happy.....So now I can say what I think lol. If you think a coyote, bobcat or gray fox cares about a crackle or some static when it hears dinner, you're wrong. Notice I left out Mt lion, because I'm not going to agrue with Steve Craig, he knows his stuff. A WT caller is not going to call in more coyotes then a JS caller on any given day. If you use a JS caller in NY state and I use a WT caller in Mexico, The WT caller would win hands down. If you had them both in Mexico, it would be a toss up. I can prove what I'm saying too, all I need is a JS caller and a WT caller. Would someone like to buy them for me so I can prove it?
 

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Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on July 23, 2003, 06:20 PM:
 
Ahhhhhh, gotta love the warm, cozy, atmosphere the mention of a WT brings. LOL!!!

Dave, don't apologize for squat. You did nothing.

Quote:

"Im convinced that if Gerald Stewart had invented the damned thing, EVERYBODY would own one!"

Now that is an insightful statement indeed! Hmmm, might have something to do with Mr. Stewart having more social skills and integrity in the dirt under his fingernail of his little pinky. Funny how other call makers can be successful at marketing without having to resort to bashing other available products to make theirs "appear" better. WT has a great sound library and because of the numerous "longtail" sounds available, I can see a possible advantage for calling the big cats. However, for coyotes, I see no advantage whatsoever.

As for the users and owners of a WT, I wish them only success and have no ill will for them at all. Quite the opposite in fact. But until the maker of WT can start selling his product on it's own merit, it ain't worthy of being a wheel chock for my ATV trailer in my book.

Take care
 

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Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on July 23, 2003, 06:30 PM:
 
Oh yeah, I bring a couple Critr Calls or a AP-7 usually. Tally Ho and several others. An Al Lux occasionally but they are so purdy I don't want to damage them. Got an aborted Primos howler that I use too. Kicks butt.

[ July 23, 2003, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: Curt2u ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 23, 2003, 06:57 PM:
 
Ol' Bill ain't been raising cane on the boards for years, but there's still some hard feelings out there, judging by that last post? Almost makes a guy feel sorry for him.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by varmint101 (Member # 41) on July 23, 2003, 08:47 PM:
 
Gosh, I'm afraid to say it now, but I've been having a lot of luck with my Haydel's squirrel call. It has a baby squirrel whistle and it seems to work wonders right now here in the hardwoods of Indiana. I've been taking that DS-85, my tally-ho, and Crit'R Call and it works pretty good!

Just another thought, I wish we as hunters could stick together better as a group instead of getting upset and divided on silly little things like bow or rifle, Tikka or Remington, or JS or WT. I dunno, it would be nice, but too much to ask I'm sure. Take care all. Regards,

Matt
 

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Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on July 24, 2003, 01:09 AM:
 
Feel sorry for him? Yeah right! LOL! Click on this link for a demo of what I'm talking about. The worm still turns. http://www.wildlifetech.com/pages/advert.htm Toy class? He wishes he sold as many "toys".

Does any other call maker have a bash list like this to sell their stuff? The guy even has a vacant spot ready to cut the jugular on a call that is not even being marketed yet. What a loser! If the WT is as good as claimed then I just don't see the need for the negative comments about other callers.

Talk about misleading lies. The clown claims the Foxpro remote only works to 40 yards. BS! I've complained about the Foxpro remote in the past but was able to get 100+ yards out of the old model.

Here is another "fact" while I'm calling "BS". Some of you may remember my comments to DAA about Foxpro remote reliability. Mike Dillon happened to read that statement I made and recently contacted me. He had to call back several times before finally reaching me even. Said they made some changes to the remote and would like to send me a new one. I said "sure, I'll take a new remote". He said " no, I'm going to send you a new caller, new remote, carry case and programming unit." I asked if he wanted me to send my old one back. He said "no, keep it." The new call was on my porch in 3 days.

Now bear in mind there wasn't a dang thing wrong with my old one. I could live with the couple instances my remote glitched out. 99.9% of the time it worked dandy.

I tried the new call he sent me. I used a laser rangefinder to measure and easily got 233 yards out of the remote. Could of went farther but I ran out of room and was in the yard across the street from the high school by then! I have nothing to gain by praising the Foxpro. In fact I'm a bigger fan of handcalls than e-callers to be honest. But that 40 yard crap is just that...a load of crap.

One thing that impressed me about Mike Dillon is he never once had a negative comment to say about any other caller available. He even went as far as to praise some of his competition. Another guy that has more integrity in his toe jam than BM.


Don't waste you're time feeling sorry for him Leonard my friend. I could post a couple of his e-mails I received from him to help get over that if anybody wants.

Being banned from virtually every calling board does put a damper on the "cane raising" I suppose. Please don't think I'm being disrespectful to you Leonard. I'm not. I really enjoy your board. But as long as Bill has that page full of "BS" on his website, I'm sorry but I have to tell it like it is when the subject of his "Legend in his own mind" caller comes up.

Good hunting
 

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Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on July 24, 2003, 01:22 AM:
 
One last WT lie to clear up. Unlike their lie page claims, with the new FP you have complete remote control, ability to change sounds, preset volume levels, play, pause and stop instantly, and it is digital.

Loudmouth will be the same I believe.

Take care
 

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Posted by Predator Spanker (Member # 82) on July 24, 2003, 05:36 PM:
 
Hey Curt,
Look at it like this. Anyone who needs to bash the other guys to make himself or his product look good, is obviously suffering from an inferiority complex or just simply has something to hide!
Cool story. My boy was wrestling in a tourament where the kids entering were entering an expedition match. This is a balls to the wall match with the guys that just didn't seem to get enough during the main team tournament,entered in.
Age was from 12 to 14 at 95 to 100 lbs. My boy was barely 12 and 95 lbs even and the kid he was up against was 14 and 98 lbs, 3 days shy of fifteen I come to find. I noticed hair on his legs and arm pits which had me worried.
The other boy walked up to my son while he was worming up with his team mates and told him that he was my sons worst nightmare and that he was going to kick his butt. My son never said anything to me or his coach. The whisle blew and my boy almost 3 years younger than his opponent proceded to hand this kid his ass. You could see the fire in his eyes. Everytime he just about had him pined he would let him up. I'm throwing a fit when the coach sait wait Wayne, leave him alone Daniel has things under control, besides the match dosen't count for team points and something going on here. The kid was way stronger than my boy that was obvious, but every time the kid made an aggressive move my son used it against him.
At one point the kid got in a single. My son pushed his head down with his arm pit and grabbed his chin, with his left arm he got in an under hook. As the kid was chasing my boy backwards, my son fell backwards and throw the kid over top of him and held on to all but pin the kid when he again let him up.
The match ended with my son wining by pining the kid with a front reverse head lock and still had him beat 14 points to five and the five were from my son letting this kid up. Basically he wanted to make the kid pay for his words. The other boy refused to shake hands and stormed out of the gym.
My boy told me that move over the back thing was called a Russian machine gun. He also told me he knew he was a chump because of his big mouth.
I always said,the guy with the biggest mouth has the most to hide.
In the end we are all accountable for what we say and do.
Take care.
Wayne
 

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Posted by jerry (Member # 195) on July 25, 2003, 08:12 PM:
 
I have called with three models of the w.t. caller, and it wasnt for just a day or two , hell i used the heck out of them , I found there was no diffrence in numbers of animals called in ,NADA . you w.t. guys can talk about tremendous results all day , i have been there and done that with a w.t. caller , it aint no silver bullet . and the sounds dont produce any more animals then any other caller i have used .I have also noticed that B.M. isnt the only call maker to talk trash about his compitition .there are some boys up in PA. that have more class then that, and some who dont . when its all said and done , everyone knows who sells the best callers ,who sells the most callers , has the biggest following , and has the best customer service and reputation, the most models , and build to the feed back they get from their customers requests. Jerry .

[ July 25, 2003, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: jerry ]
 

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Posted by JLDakota (Member # 14) on July 26, 2003, 06:54 AM:
 
Jerry,
Would you if possible provide some quantifying background for your statements above by relating the approximate number of stands personally made with various WT callers vs the referenced other callers and approximate numbers of animals called with each. Numbers always help provide me with the probable validity/credibility of statements or claims being made when talking trapped or called critters. Thank you Jim
 

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Posted by jerry (Member # 195) on July 26, 2003, 08:03 AM:
 
JL , I sure wish i could , there have been several times now that i wish i had documented the stats of all my calling , perhaps this season i will start to do this very thing . But hey , if i had had better sucess with a w.t. dont you think i would be shouting out the benefits of that caller ??? and i would have bought one by now . LOL. pretty much anyone that has been on these forums for long have seen my hunt reports , and pictures every season . I.E. the proof is in the pudding , I show pictures , Pretty hard to dispute that . fall is coming , and when the fur is ready ill be posting again , Jerry .
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 26, 2003, 08:06 AM:
 
JL, I understand, completely, what you are getting at. It's easy to make claims, etc.

However, your question of Jerry is unreasonable. I make various claims, from time to time, on these boards. This isn't a court room and we aren't swearing on a stack of Bibles.

When you get right down to it, it's opinion. It's all opinion. It's always been opinion.

I don't document numbers and dates for my own purposes, and I can't provide any for your benefit, either. That doesn't mean I'm blowing smoke. Your claims cut the same way with me.

I do not happen to buy the "sound" argument, but I'm willing to listen to your opinion. The only way I'd consider using one of Bill's machines is if he gave me one. I'd certainly never buy one from the man.

So, it's all moot. What ever blows your skirt up. But, it's fun discussing it, ain't it?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by JLDakota (Member # 14) on July 26, 2003, 10:56 AM:
 
Jerry,
I have been following several if not all of these type forums for several years and am aware of your strong feelings for your FoxPro units. I have seen probably all the pics you have posted and most likely read most of your posts referencing your successes. I was unaware of your extended use of the WT which is why I asked the question. I purposly stated "approximate" in an attempt to assure you I wanted what ever your memory would provide not documented records. "My Bad" as my kids used to say. I should have more clearly stated what I desired. Your recollection was that there was no difference in the ability of various callers to pull in animals so I felt that what ever experience provided that insight I would benefit from knowing. As to your statement about whether you would own one if you thought it was better, I don't know. I have seen many people over the years attempt to use a lesser gun, trap etc. just to prove it could be done. It was usually an ego thing. As for the WT, I would expect there has been so much emotional dialog over the years that the opinions held by many have nothing to do with the caller, but with Bill and feeling people have about him. As is often the case I see people without experience with callers parroting the views of popular forum sages who's posts they follow on a regular basis. With time most objectivity is lost. It is the real world objective comparison of the callers I'm intersted in not some verbal war that never ends. I would appreciate any additional insight you would be willing to share either on this thread or in private. Thanks Jim

Leonard,
I don't think based upon what I wrote above that I am being unreasonable at all. I asked for more info involving "approximations". Detailed records are not required but strong opinons should be able to be backed up with something that lends credibility to the statement whether that be a statement of mine, yours or anyones. I know that Jerry is a strong advacate and user of the FoxPro so I don't question his thoughts on its capability to call animals. Proof is in the pudding as he put it. Plus I owned and used one for a couple season. Depending on how much he used the WT would give me a feel for the amount of weight I should personally give the statement that they are equal or the same in capability.

As to you personally buying the "sound" thing not making a difference, I feel you have a right to that opinion based upon what you've experienced in your part of the country, your animal numbers etc. You may not be right but you have the right to the opinion. LOL I don't yet have a right to an opinion on whether the WT sounds make a difference but will in a season or two. I do know that to "my" ears and in "my" part of the country I won't fret about having to take the WT instead of the FoxPro.

Now if you and Danny would just quit spinning yarns about the old days and come up here and kill some of these easy MN coyotes I could get back to trapping fox after a time. Thanks for providing the site Leonard, I appreciate it. Jim
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 26, 2003, 11:19 AM:
 
JL, did I ever tell you the one about the time I was using an eight track tape deck, and it was all wound up so tight that the brakes were on, and all it did was go "erk" and "skrud" at irregular intervals, depending on how we tilted the cartridge?

Well, if I did, bare with me while I go down memory lane, once again, in my almost futile "attempt" to prove my point.

After thirty or forty minutes, without success, something made me look back down the road behind us. We had called up a nice bobcat, who was standing right on the centerline of the blacktop, intently focused on our repair efforts.

Moral of the story....it doesn't matter. Also, there is no way to "measure" response or success. Enter: opinion.

Thanks for the compliment, always appreciate a kind word.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by JLDakota (Member # 14) on July 26, 2003, 01:24 PM:
 
Leonard,
That cat only leads me to believe that you had a "target friendly environment" which to my way of thinking allows your premise (for your part of the country) that sound doesn't matter. I have no way of understanding the possible numbers of animals you had or have in the SW but bits and pieces of info I've gleaned tells me that the coyote and cat density in some of the areas your clubs were banging had to be huge. Is this midwesterner envious of your good fortune to have a mother lode at your disposal? Of course, but I I count my blessings where I can. This just doesn't happen to be one of them. LOL Our coyotes, whose numbers increase steadily, do not yet seem remotely interested in showing themselves or committing suicide on a regular basis when we make weird sounds or screech some reasonable facsimile of an animal in distress. No one said it should be easy but sometimes it seems simply ridiculous. That is the reason I picked up a WT when the opportunity presented itself. I know what the other callers bring in my area and I don't wish to go to my grave not knowing if the WT sounds will make a difference.

I'm hoping response can be measured. I will judge that by using the WT exclusively in the same areas I have trapped or called in coyotes on a yearly basis. I know these areas to be carrying more animals each year and I know they have been exposed to both hand calls, JS and FoxPro by both myself and many others. They are also chased with hounds, 4 wheelers and snowmobiles on a regular basis and shot at by every bird or deer hunter they encounter. Somewhere down the line I will also have a right to an opinion on sound. Jim
 

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on July 26, 2003, 06:46 PM:
 
Yarns? since my name was brought into this, I have a right to defend myself Right? Leonard and I know some things about what works and what doesn't work. I personally don't think a WT caller is going to do any better than a plain old cassette. Now how do I know that you ask? I have personally seen two guys turn in 46 coyotes on a weekend hunt using a plain old cassette. When WT shows me they can beat that number, I'll believe them. Leonard speaks of the old 8 tracks, they also called in big numbers of animals and he is right in my opinion. Coyotes, bobcats and fox don't care about stereo, dolby sound and the rest of the high tech sound system boom box stuff out there on the market, (it's only a money making scheme). Ok, I just defended myself lol. Good Hunting.
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on July 26, 2003, 07:57 PM:
 
Jerry,

I'm with you buddy. Those who claim the WT can and will call in higher numbers of predators are only fooling themselves, and the unfortunately gullible new hunters who haven't yet learned better.

You'd think that some of those people who tout the WT as a superior caller, would be having some of pictures of themselves with some of these dead lions and coyotes.

I know how many coyotes and cats I can call in a day with my JS 512, if a WT is that much better, don't tell me, show me.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 26, 2003, 09:23 PM:
 

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I know how many coyotes and cats I can call in a day with my JS 512, if a WT is that much better, don't tell me, show me.

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So says one of the boys living right in the heart of the target rich environment.

Maybe it is a regional thing?

Good huntiong. LB
 

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Posted by JLDakota (Member # 14) on July 26, 2003, 10:56 PM:
 
Danny,
I'm not disputing what you, Leonard and your club members did with the audio tapes and 8 tracks. The numbers (which I know can be verified) that were harvested by your clubs from your areas, Mexico and parts of the SW during that era 20-30 years ago are mindboggleing for someone from my part of the country. My question to anyone in the coyote utopia is this. Are those same kinds of numbers still being taken by the clubs and if so are they still using tapes and cassettes or have they been hooked by the money making tech stuff being marketed? If they are not being taken in huge numbers, is it because the animals are no longer there or is it because they aren't as easily convinced to come in and die as they were years ago? It's reasonable for me to expect there are still animals in the areas you and Leonard have referenced as being all shot out. Could you expect to take your trusty cassette callers/8 tracks and harvest numbers of animals from those areas? If not, welcome to coyote hunting as we in my country and many states east of me enjoy it.

Tim,
Some of the people who purchase WT's do so because they can, they consider it just another tool and choose to formulate their opinions on a particular tool based upon experience gained by using it. They may in fact not be gullible new hunters but instead experienced in hunting and trapping most of what the lower 48 has to offer.

I would expect that if Steve Craig chose to post large numbers of pictures of lions and or coyotes he has called with his WT's he could, but obviously doesn't see the need.

Tell you what, you bring that JS512 up to MN and show me what you can call in a day. If you can call in coyote and shoot it, I will damn sure walk out and get it, skin it, "put" it up, and send it back to AZ with my congratulations. PS. Bring extra batteries for the JS as our cold has a tendency to drain 'em. Good evening gentlmen and good shootin' Jim
 

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Posted by jerry (Member # 195) on July 27, 2003, 08:02 AM:
 
JL , two years ago i used the back pack , and the newer w.t. caller for two months , ( not both at the same time as they were borrowed units).The most productive sound i found was the coyote food fight . ( it was very productive for hung up coyotes) other then that one sound i didnt see a diffrence in the w.t. sounds in being able to call in predators any better then a J.S. Fox Pro , hunters buddy , Etc. I have used every e.caller that i can think of , my first was an old J.S. ( with 8 d cell batteries) . When i first found out about the w.t. callers, i thought alot like so many others have ( its the silver bullet) since useing one in the real world , i have learned that its no better then anything else . the reason i promote the fox pro is as i stated , customer service, reliability , and it produces , easy to carry etc. Just as leonard , and danny stated ,studio sound quality is not an issue . I have nothing against Bill Martz,But i sure dont think he should chart such an unfair comparison of other callers on his web site , if you have used the ( other) brands of e,callers you know how much B.S. that chart is . I just think there are better callers then the w.t. out there for the money .perhaps in your neck of the woods you will have better luck useing a w.t. . I wish you the best of luck . Lord knows we all need all the advantage we can get . If calling with a w.t. boosts your confidence , then maybe that will be the advantage you need . Good callin , Jerry .
 

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on July 27, 2003, 08:31 AM:
 
JLDakota, the animals are still there in big numbers but nobody goes there anymore. Those places are so secret, Leonard and I will take them to the grave with us lol. The state of Nevada used to put out some big numbers of coyotes but between the state goverment, the cattlemen and a million new predator hunters, it just isn't what it used to be. I believe the market for predator hunting is huge and it's making tons of money selling things you don't really need. With all the new guys reading all the EXPERT'S opinions on the best camo and cover scent to have, all of us old guys are sitting back shaking our heads. Funny thing about many of those experts is where they are from: Tenn, Alabama, NC, Penn, NY, etc. I find that very interesting. You may also note that many of the things they are trying to sell also come from the same places. JLDakota, I'll admit it makes for good conversation lol, Good hunting to ya.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 27, 2003, 08:56 AM:
 
Hey, Danny. Aas one old fossil to another, quit living (what?) thirty years in the past!

Can you believe it, can't be done these days, those numbers are ancient history, we wiped them all out?

Okay, that's fine. Just goes to show who knows what, and who don't know what we're talking about?

Got any old "yarns" you want to rerun?

You know, I got a proposal just the other day. In response to a friendly challenge from Tim Behle, the suggestion was made that we film a hunt in Arizona. I'd do it one weekend and the crew could go where ever Tim wanted to hunt on the following weekend.

Actually, it wouldn't be fair or polite to Tim; who is a good guy.

However, the only thing it might prove to the "yarn doubters" is that we could still do it, if there was a valid point in doing it? I'd even use some old museum piece, like my home made Motorola 8 track player, and Tim could borrow Vic's WT. Still wouldn't be fair. Besides, I finally tossed it, a couple years ago.

Yeah, maybe we're just pulling your internet leg, it's like potting buffalo from a choo choo train; never happen again, right?

Again, don't take this stuff serious, we're just kidding around, having fun.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by JLDakota (Member # 14) on July 27, 2003, 10:57 AM:
 
Jerry,
Thanks for the insight as to your experiences with the WT. I appreciate your sharing. I would ask one more question of you relating to your use of the WT. Did you use the canine talk sounds (various howls) in addition to the fighting over food sound?

I also had that JS with the 8 D cells. Talk about (in my opinion)a clumsy heavy unit and all the extra batteries one had to carry to keep it working in our north country. Gave it to a youngster at a trapping convention some time ago who said he wanted to call crows.

The issue that still remains for me is that with a few exceptions, yourself being from Wa. being one, the people who keep telling me that any sound will do, base their opinion on what works or used to work when they were active in the "target rich environment" which I'll generalize and call SW (country from Tx to Ca). I respect each of their opinions on how to harvest coyotes in their back yard but unless I have missed it in posts over the years (totally possible I might add) night hunting was a part of their success(which we can't do) and not one of them has ever called coyotes in MN. I welcome corrections to the contrary. I have seen posts over the years inviting the SW callers to come show those of us from MN to Maine just how inept we are, but have never heard of anyone taking them up on it. Some of the offers I saw referenced paying the "instructors" way. Surprises me that if a coyotes a coyote and sounds don't matter, someone from the SW should be willing to grab their 8 track or tally ho, come see some different portions of God's country, and show us the error of our ways.

The other thing that keeps me wonderng is guys like Vic, Steve, Marlowe, Gary Strader and many others who could use anything they want for their recreational calling or to make their living choose a WT and say the sounds definitely do make a difference. Jerry, that is why I chose to get my own WT, use it and make up my own mind about sound. Will it help my confidence? Maybe, but in my mind I will be eliminating a variable and confidence will or will not be there as a result of the experiment/exprience with it. I will have a right to an objective opinion as to whether sound does or doesn't mean squat in my area.

Danny,
I don't begrudge you taking your honey holes to the grave. You found 'em, their yours to keep. I have some fishing holes and trapping spots that I feel the same about. I expect I will give them up down the line to some deserving young person, but it will be when I feel its appropriate.

I would ask you for clarification on your point about how the government, cattlemen and the million new coyote hunter has made it "not what it used to be". Do I hear you saying its not as much fun to call when they aren't easy like they used to be and you have to work harder for them? LOL Like I said in another post, welcome to coyote hunting as the rest of us have it.

I agree that the the marketing of calls, camo, videos etc is a biggie and yes, much of the stuff unnecessary, but there are millions of sportsmen and women out there with disposable income that want to be entertained and wanna be successful callers like you guys they read about on the forums. They are willing to separate themselves from their money so the marketeers are willing to oblige them. By the way Danny, the reason the wannabee experts are able to get away with duping us fools is because you and Leonard are taking too many secrets to the grave. LOL Have a good day and good shootin' Jim
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on July 27, 2003, 11:59 AM:
 
Jim, I do like your style. I hope you share your experiences and your opinions of the relative efficiency of the WT as they develope. I'm especially interested in your opinions of the effectiveness of the coyote vocalizations. When are you going to begin hunting over your's?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 27, 2003, 12:08 PM:
 
What Rich said.
 

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on July 27, 2003, 12:15 PM:
 
JLDakota, the Nevada thing is something I have personally noticed over the last 10 to 15 years. It's not a case of the coyotes getting any smarter. It's a case of the state of Nevada charging every hunter $2 more on their hunting license to kill coyotes. That along with Government hunters shooting them from the air by the thousands, plus locals and out of state hunters killing them by the thousands ( I'm an out-of-state hunter lol ) There just aren't the amount of coyotes in Nevada that there once was. We could argue till the cows come home about callers, sound, equipment etc. It really doesn't matter, it's what a person believes in. And as you know, I don't believe it really matters if you use a WT caller or a JS caller. I do believe it matters where you use them vs the amount of animals called. I think you'd agree to that one lol. Who really cares, just go hunting and get a coyote. Good Hunting.
 

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Posted by JLDakota (Member # 14) on July 27, 2003, 06:37 PM:
 
Rich and Leonard,
Thank you for the kind words. I have been blessed to have met, been influenced by and associated with some tremendous people in my life. I wouldn't trade my experiences both good and bad with anyone. How we look at life, relate to and treat people is usually a choice. It works for me.

You can be sure I will share my thoughts and opinions on the equipment when common sense tells me I have something of value to add. I too am interested mostly in the canine sounds. One of the problems I have is establishing a priority to call. I normally trap from mid October til the first of the year and then put up my fur to send to Canadian auctions. My calling coyotes has usually begun about Christmas time. Beings my calling productivity over the years has always been fair to marginal at best, it has never been a priority with me, just been something I do when I'm burned out from trapping and putting up fur. I must attempt to prioritize the fall and winter months differently this year to get WT time. Life is choices and I have to make some.

Danny,
I am unable to totally grasp the meaning of your last post but did pick up on the fact that the $2 add on to the Nevada license displeases you and the coyote numbers are no longer worth spending the time to pursue. I have no arguement with your stands or opinions of what works in your area because as stated previously, you formulated them based upon your experiences over many years in your "TRA". It works for you there. My basic disagreement is with the notion that beings it works in your area it automatically works in mine. We agree to disagree as they say, and that's fine. Have a good evening Danny, and good shootin' Jim
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 27, 2003, 07:37 PM:
 
JL, can't speak for Danny, but as far as I'm concerned, I never speak about what I don't know. I only know what has worked for me at present and in the past. I only know about those places I have hunted, and although I spent the first twelve years of my life in Minnesota, I never hunted coyote there, so you have me at a disadvantage, no denying that.

I tend to think that a coyote is a coyote, however; and it is difficult to understand that the animal that I'm familiar with, is so discriminating in Minnesota. Of course, you explain your circumstances very well.

I understand about the pot shots and the road warriers, and why a coyote might be a lot more shy, in certain places, than in others.

As far as the need to charge sportsmen for coyote control in the State of Nevada, that subject has been thouroughly sliced and diced, and if you have missed the agrument, it's not all that germain to this discussion. Take our word for it, it's BS, and the hunting has suffered.

That's about all I have to say here, sorry to keep butting in.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by jerry (Member # 195) on July 27, 2003, 10:23 PM:
 
JL , dont have much time its late and i have to head out of town for work in the morning , Yes i did use the other coyote vocalizations , pups 10 weeks old , male challenge, male howl , female howl , i am sure there were more but i really cannot remember . the male challenge got a few responces , but none ever came in , now when i use a mouth blown howler i get coyotes that come in , the female howl , when used with the male howl did work for me a few times . ( nothing to brag about as i can do the same with a howler, not studio quality by a long shot) . I am sure you will have sucess with the w.t. I personaly just didnt like the weight , and a little conversation i had with Bill Martz really turned me off from his product , i wont offer any information on this site about this conversation , as i see no need to slam anyone. But that conversation made up my mind about owning his product . Jerry .
 

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Posted by JLDakota (Member # 14) on July 28, 2003, 09:49 AM:
 
Leonard,
First, I don't consider any comments one makes on here butting in. As we read posts we often have a reaction to them and to my way of thinking the appropriate thing to do is reply while its in our mind.

I have alluded to the fact that I feel my coyote game is different and requires a different approach then is used successfully in the SW.

Leonard, I also believe a coyote is a coyote but think the environments they live in can make them as different in mode of operation as Californians and Minnesota no coasters. I think (yes, I know that's a potentialy dangerous thought) that although we know we have coyotes in MN in ever increasing numbers, our actual numbers pale in comparison to probably any areas of the SW. Our urban sprawl from the Twin Cities has put the majority of our coyote in close proximity to people on a daily basis because hundreds of thousands of people want their 2-5 acres in the country and with our freeway systems are willing to commute daily in excess of 100 miles to have their dream. Add to that the sportsman population that live in the Mpls/StPaul area that are all reading the same rags, reading the same forums, getting the same Cabelas cataogs and want to have a piece of the Wiley action. They all attempt to find coyote calling areas within 100 miles of where they live. Private land permissions and bunny hugger attitudes limit areas which one can get on to hunt. Add to that the recreational snowmobiler and ATV riders. Anyone want to venture a guess as to how many Minnesotan's own two or more of each? Many of them take vacations during the week to enjoy their sport and get away from the crowd. During their "season" any piece of ground (farmland or forest) not occupied by a house is often thought by them to be theirs to use as they see fit. Laws governing them up to this point have meant nothing. Any coyote bounced out during their travels is fair game to be chased and often run over in name of sport. With snowmobiles that can exceed 70-100 mph, there is nothing they can't run down in a short time. Like I have said previously, society and our sportsmen and women want to be entertained and will go to most any means to make that happen. Add to this the hundreds of thousands of deer and bird hunters and I believe you get the picture. I feel the MN coyote is forced to live a more stressful lifestyle and therefore reacts with more reserve and suspicion.

It's not my intention to whimper for sympathy. I choose to live in MN so if I'm to become proficient in the calling of coyotes in this state I want the best tools and any possible advantage I can lay my hands on. Committment and experience and a continued priority to learning my coyotes better will ultimately allow me to prevail.

As to the topic of Nevada's tax on the sportsman I believe I remember something about it but it didn't stick with me. We in MN pay so many taxes to live here that I quit worrying about taxes years ago. I think I read a week or so ago that they had just decided to raise all our fishing, hunting and small game license fees a significant amount because there wasn't enough money in the State's budget to do the things it and the people want done. It never ends. Good shootin' Jim
 

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Posted by JLDakota (Member # 14) on July 28, 2003, 12:04 PM:
 
Jerry,
Thanks for the feedback to my questions. On the male challenge, would you attribute their answering but not wanting to come in to the call sound to the sound being too "old dog" sounding? Is your hand howler male challenge higher pitched and younger sounding as the say? What do you feel is the reason for the difference in the two howl successes you realized? Thanks again, Jim
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on July 28, 2003, 04:09 PM:
 

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So says one of the boys living right in the heart of the target rich environment.

Maybe it is a regional thing?

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