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Posted by Barry (Member # 34) on January 30, 2003, 07:09 PM:

Does anyone know anything about the loudmouth e-caller?Is it the REAL DEAL or just hype?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 30, 2003, 08:10 PM:

I hear there's a lot of chatter over on PMS, sounds legit?

Anybody following that topic?

Good hunting. LB

Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on January 30, 2003, 09:20 PM:

At best it's still going back and forth. There's no pictures to speak of yet. Price is compareable to Foxpro but it seems we'll just have to wait for the actual release date.

Brad

Posted by WolverineAtWork (Member # 23) on January 31, 2003, 06:34 AM:

It's turned into an enormous pissing match over there. There was a picture of it at one time but it has been removed.

The thread has now turned into 8 pages of useless drivel and whining.

Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 31, 2003, 08:22 AM:

The maker called me at home a few weeks ago. I'm quite convinced that it is completely legit. We'll be seeing them soon.

- DAA

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 31, 2003, 09:35 AM:

Dave, as I recall, you and Frank Haertlein belong to a rather exclusive club? He started the ball "rolling" by driving his truck over a loaned WT caller, and then you "modified" your Foxpro, in the same manor.

I'm not serious. Hey, what did you think of Trevor wrecking his truck on a goat? Did he show you my pictures? I said he could.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 31, 2003, 10:19 AM:

Yeah, it's a rather exclusive club, even though we have an open enrollment policy [Smile]

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The Dillon's (Father and Son owner/operators of Foxpro) are going WAY above and beyond in getting my run over caller situation taken care of too, by the way. I should have a new one here next week.

I thought it was HORRIBLE that Trevor wiped out his rig! I hadn't got to hunt out of it yet. Haven't seen the pics yet, but Trevor did mention them.

- DAA

Posted by 20t-n-t (Member # 46) on February 02, 2003, 12:35 PM:

well guys its easy to keep track of the people in my club, the BBC (bent barrel Club) I'm it. But i'm sure that someone out there would qualify for membership. LOL

Hunt smarter
Slydog

Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on February 02, 2003, 03:17 PM:

Deleted, because I got a chance to talk to Mr. Spanker and he is a heck of a guy. Wish he lived closer so we could go whack a few coyotes. [Smile]

Take care all!

[ February 13, 2003, 06:00 PM: Message edited by: Curt2u ]

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 02, 2003, 07:12 PM:

Curt I applaud your efforts to A. Help dude get the ball rolling... no publicity is bad publicity...
And B. Let dude off the hook so easily, he never did provide what I would consider real proof of anything. He showed a pic of something (probably a mold) being built... but what it was for, and how he was involved with it, were not made clear. For sure they were not proven!

I am so sorry I did not come out and say this over there (but for some reason I seem to tread on thin ice over there), I thought the thrashing you took for not believing blindly you were involved with a real thing, was uncalled for and undeserved...
Folks I have met Curt personally, and I have nothing but the utmost of respect for him... he is truly a class act.

I understand the concern you have for the way it may have influenced the current marketplace, and again I think it's pretty stand-up of you to come out and admit your part in it honestly... As I have told you before "my loyalty goes with my stomach" and I haven't forgotten the fact that you fed me for a whole weekend (and well I might add).
So if ever asked I will say loudly "Curt is one hella dude, and I got his back!"

And as for the Loudmouth, I say "hurry up and wait"... we'll see if anything ever comes from it.

Many times climbing gear was supposed to hit the market soon... once a product made by one of the most famous climbers in the world, which was far superior to anything we had like it, actually got to the stage of being prototyped and pre-production units made, advertised worldwide in a major magazine, a huge website set up... and no product ever made it to market...
This could happen to our friend Spanker, I hope it does not, but it could...

My original thought when I read the Feb ___ release date was "wow, nice of 'em to make guys waste a whole fur season waiting for one". For him to get pissy about all the free prees he got and to make Curt out as the bad guy was petty, and I lost most of the respect I had for him then. How can money be more important than community? Sheesh!

Jeff

Posted by Jack Roberts (Member # 13) on February 02, 2003, 07:47 PM:

"How can money be more important than community? Sheesh!"

Pretty much invariably.

As Rush says; "Follow the money trail." The money trail always leads to the truth if much money is involved.

Jack

Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on February 02, 2003, 10:28 PM:

Thanks Krusty. As I've proven many times, the computer sucks for communicating and I suck at it. Live and learn I guess.

Take care

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 03, 2003, 08:46 AM:

[ February 03, 2003, 08:50 AM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ]

Posted by Redrider (Member # 79) on February 03, 2003, 08:52 AM:

Its funny how fickle people are. When Curt announced that he would no longer be a moderater over at PM the floodgates opened with praise and compliments. Then he questions one guy about being "real" and the same group starts beating him up for it. One day your a hero the next day your a zero. And for what it's worth I think Curt was totally in the right, all he did was ask, "Is this thing for real?" Apparently it is and Curt even said so, what else can you ask for?

Posted by Predator Spanker (Member # 82) on February 03, 2003, 08:21 PM:

Curt is my new buddy. A big misunderstanding

[ February 12, 2003, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Predator Spanker ]

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on February 03, 2003, 09:27 PM:

Spanker, welcome and I hope you visit often. Curt, what are you doing in Yakima? Last we spoke you were in Goldendale.

Posted by Predator Spanker (Member # 82) on February 04, 2003, 04:10 AM:

Kreust: I am sorry to see your loss of respect.
Was it all the time I wasted trying to answer questions, the fact I displayed mold pictures or the fact that I stood my ground when attacked.
I guess I tryed to appease to many. The difference is, I like to learn and speak the facts.
I don't like it when some one runs their mouth with little info to back it up.I never ran Curt down. I replyied the best way I new how. He seems to be satisifyied with that. As you know, I had no intentions of starting a Q&A discussion.
As far as the free press,I feel it done more harm as good. I didn't ask to be put in that position. Their has never been one question that I didn't answer and never a request that I denied. Hell I even told what sound chip I was using. No mater how much I give and tell the same guys seem to try and throw a monkey wrench into it.
Why don't you wait and see instead of surrounding my caller with negativity. Is that to much to ask?
I bet those mountain climing companies who clamed a new product released the info themselves.
I would have NEVER released info on our caller, this have been mentioned a doesn't of times.
It's better to have and lost than to have never had at all. People have to earn my respect! You certainly haven't earned mien. I also retract my offer to help you in any way when it comes to predator hunting. I wouldn't help a guy that talked so negative about me or my caller!
If anyone has questions and would like them answered, you can email me
Loudmouth calls@aol.com

[ February 07, 2003, 06:17 AM: Message edited by: Predator Spanker ]

Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on February 13, 2003, 06:19 PM:

For the record, me and Spanker have cleared things up. He seems like one good dude. Sorry about the hassle fellas. [Smile]

Take care all

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 14, 2003, 12:39 AM:

Spanky,

Oh bummer... [Frown]

I say I haven't had anything proven to me, and you jerk back your offer of assistance... How mature?

What help do you think you could have actually given me? Were you gonna give me a free e-caller? Were you gonna fly out here and go huntin' with me, or fly me out there to hunt with you?
Now I can't read what advise you give someone else? OK.
The recall of your offer is no more real to me than the offer was, or your e-caller is for that matter.

You haven't even shown you have the ability to help me at all... you claim to be a hunter, but what proof do I have of that? None...
You claim to have killed predators, but what proof do I have of that? None...
You clain to be making a mold, but what proof do I have of that? A photo or two of a mold for something, being made somewhere, for someone... But does that prove it's an e-caller and it's being made for you? Not to me... When I worked in a jobshop I coulda taken a picture of anything that was on my mill, and claimed it to be whatever I liked, wouldn't mean I was producin' 747s.
And that your product is 100% made in America, what proof do I have of that? Again, none... Nothing is made in one country anymore... No Korean castings in the chip bodies? Are you sure?
No materials from anywhere outside the US? I doubt it...

You have proved nothing to me, have you?...

And in the proccess (which has been since rectified, mostly due to Curts graciousness, in my opinion) MY friend got trampled over and made to feel really bad about it... No good deed goes unpunished eh, Curt?

If you didn't want to waste time answering questions you didn't have to... to come at us all resentful now, is petty...
Did it not get you orders for your product?
Hasn't it made your position, or gamble, seem more worthy to have the support for it Curt helped to create?
Has it made you be able to sleep better at night? I know if I were in your shoes, I would have been very encouraged by all of it, that's gotta be worth somethin'...

And if your behavior here is worthy of respect I am missing it?!?

Am I any less respectable for standing my ground, and lookin' out for my friend?

And as far as Long Cams go, I don't know who leaked the information, Mr. Long or someone else... but he swore all over the climbing BBs he was gonna have 'em out in the spring... sound familiar? Just his ads in two worldwide magazines cost him more than your whole project so far...
They eventually came out two years later fron a totally unrelated company... Which has now folded due to product recalls and liability issues stemming from the failure of the questionable units.
Not every business venture is a sure thing.
Yours is more sure because of Curt.

For that he did not deserve to be treated the way he was by you, or the other members over there at PM... regardless if you guys are pals now or not.

For the lack of appreciation you displayed, the way you, at first, let Curt take all the heat, and for the way you came, and come, off like you've been the victim, I have lost most of my repect for you... for the way you've lashed out at me, and recinded your empty offer of help, I have lost the rest of it...

Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Jeff

Posted by Predator Spanker (Member # 82) on February 14, 2003, 11:22 AM:

It's hard to respond to such an asinine post as that. As far as what I could do to help make a person a better caller, let me tell what I can and have done. I have taken hunters even in my area aloung on hunts. I show them how to work the call wind and terrain. I show them both animals and how to close the deal. When you have a passion for whatever you do, you generally get proficent at it. I bet you could show a thing or two about rock climbing. I don't go around braging or posting pictures of animals that I have harvested. All this does if give the impression of being a bragger or BS-er. Kinda like the big guy with the big mouth and the little quite guy. The big guy usually has something to hide, like his ability to be as tough as he thinks. The little guy just stays quite until such time he needs to prove himself. You see Krusty, I am the little guy who keeps quite until pushed. Then I hand the big guy his ass. Done it many a time, hence the name spanker.
Maybe some day I can talk to you, I will explain.
I also speak when I know of what I speak.
Curt admits he basicly verbally attacked me and my sincerity. He found the truth and realized the errior of his ways and corrected it. I talked both by email and on the phone for at least an hour.
Like I said to him, things happen, no hard fealings. When I offered to help you in any way, I ment it. When you ran your mouth saying you lost respect for me, it bothers me. Evidently words are something you don't take seriously, I do. And after offering help to you in any way and you saying what you did, well how would you feel.
Curt unintently made a mistake, realized it and was man enough to both retract what he said and made right by me.
I don't think you are a bad guy, just like I said about curt, I ditten't think he was a bad guy, just misinformed.
Tell you something krusty, respect means everything to me. To some people it's just another word, to me it's a way of life, like hunting and trapping.
You don't know me. You don't know what I have accomplished and have done for MANY others.
Don't judge me until such time you have your facts straight. To base total respect for or against someone you don't even know is utter nonsense. I suggest you reevaulate your values and you own self respect.

Predator Spanker

Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on February 14, 2003, 12:05 PM:

This is truly the last I will say on the subject.

Jeff (Krusty), I do appreciate you sticking up for me and all. Really. I have to say though after speaking with Spanker it was apparent to me he knows a great deal about trapping and calling. And I do truly believe his call will be a reality.

Although I do post pics of my hunts, I usually post a long-winded story with it in hopes of offering some tips to the new callers. No bragging intended. I really enjoy seeing pics of other peoples hunts. I like seeing the country they hunt and the equipment they use, more than the coyote. A dead coyote is a dead coyote of course but with everything else added in it makes a darn interesting post I think. One particular individual that I really look forward to reading about his hunts is Silverfox. A lot can be learned from posts like his. Real world experience is invaluable.

Having said that I'll add don't believe everything you see on the web. There are a couple fellas that would make better fiction writers than anything else out there. You can stick anything you want in a pic to promote a product and make it look like it does things it does not. I would rather see no pic at all than ones of questionable veracity as I'm sure everyone would.

Anyway, nuff hot air for today. Let's drop it. Pretty please... [Big Grin]

[ February 14, 2003, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: Curt2u ]

Posted by Predator Spanker (Member # 82) on February 14, 2003, 12:38 PM:

Curt, you got my word. Good to see you keep up on things.
your new bud

Predator Spanker

Posted by Stretch (Member # 91) on February 14, 2003, 09:20 PM:

Hey Spanker...

Pay no attention to Jeff, I've heard his posts have no integrity and he likes to stir the pot when he has the chance. [Wink]

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 14, 2003, 10:47 PM:

Stretch/Mr. Cobb,

I think that should read "you believe my posts have no integrity..."

You have no more proof of this then... well I promised Curt...

Per Websters...

in·teg·ri·ty

1 : firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : INCORRUPTIBILITY
2 : an unimpaired condition : SOUNDNESS
3 : the quality or state of being complete or undivided : COMPLETENESS
synonym see HONESTY

I believe I do have integrity... and that's all that matters to me.
I firmly hold to the ethics I run my life by, even if they may not match yours. And if I don't speak honestly I don't know what?

Moderator, PLEASE do not remove this blatant and unprovoked attack on my character... Mr.Cobb should live with what he has said here. Just as I have, and Spanky and Curt should have too.

Deleting something after the fact doesn't mean it was never said! It is only hiding from the truth(IMHO).

Jeff

P.S. Mr. Cobb, your attempt to "run me off" at PM didn't work and it ain't gonna work here either... I am a bigger man than that, and I'd like very much to just bury the hatchet with you, here or anywhere else.

I've said it before, "can't we just move on?"

[ February 14, 2003, 10:52 PM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 15, 2003, 07:42 AM:

I dislike editing the posts of others, and I really dislike having to delete them.

I haven't banned anybody in well over a year. However, I strongly discourage personal attacks by anyone.

If I felt differently, we would, for sure miss out on all the entertaining posts in the Predator Hunting Forum. [Frown]

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Stretch (Member # 91) on February 16, 2003, 09:21 PM:

Howdy Leonard...

Forgot to say Hi when I dropped in... Please forgive my inconsideration... [Smile]

Jeff...

That wasn't an attack at all, can't ya see the winky smily at the end of the post? Your the one who likes them so much, I just thought I would "use your language" here... And it is disrespectful to Leonard and all the other members here at Huntmasters to bring the dirty laundry here from another board, especially PM... [Frown]

And I have no problems living with what I say, I make sure before I hit submit that all my words are spelled correctly and that I got across what I wanted to say to the best of my ability. I have no problems with you here or anywhere else, I simply perform my duties when needed on the other board, which is what I was asked to do when I was invited to become a moderator.

But regardless of how I say it you think I am attacking you, you are a little paranoid bro, why dontcha just take a chill pill and relax man. We were only kidding about the black helicopters and men swinging from ropes, remove the tin foil from your head, no one is out to get you. Really!! [Big Grin]

Now let these nice folks go about their business and stop being so damn sensitive about stuff, this is only a computer screen, there is no reason to get mad at anything you read, take it in stride and let it go. Consider the hatchet buried... As I will not respond anymore about it on Leonards board.

Thanks for letting me put that on the table Leonard, I would sure hate to be the first one on the ban list in 2003... [Wink]

Now, I'm back quiet.... [Cool]

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 17, 2003, 01:32 AM:

First off we are limited to how many smilies, so some will have their names instead {wink} like this.

Mr. Cobb,

First of all as I have said before, my friends call me Krusty, we are all supposed to be friends here... so you can call me Krusty (please).

Second I did see the winky smilie (proper spelling), but if you're (you misspelled that one {razz} you are = you're) going to speak "my language" use the right "words" at least...

The wink you used there could easily have been interpreted a few ways...

I've heard his posts have no integrity and he likes to stir the pot when he has the chance. {wink}
(wink = I know this Spanky, you should listen to me)

I've heard his posts have no integrity and he likes to stir the pot when he has the chance. {wink}
(wink = Spanky shouldn't take what Krusty says to heart, he's a kidder)

I've heard his posts have no integrity and he likes to stir the pot when he has the chance. {wink} j/k
(wink j/k = just kidding Krusty)

Generally "just kiddin' Krusty" would be written "in my language", as the above, or...

I've heard his posts have no integrity and he likes to stir the pot when he has the chance.

If you are going to "speak a foreign language" at least have the courtesy to speak it right, and if you can't speak it, don't get mad at those who do for not getting your meaning...

I would sure hate to be the first one on the ban list in 2003... {wink}

By the way you use "the language", it would then seem you are joking about this too, and you must actually want to be banned from this site... which is it? You can't have it both ways...

And as far as the whole thing, you heard that? From where, are you sure you didn't make it up yourself?

Excuse me, if I seem sensitive, but when my integrity is called into question (joking or not) I feel the need to defend myself from mudslinging attacks like yours (shall I go get some quote of you from PM?). Amazingly I can do so without slinging any mud back in your direction.
What part of Websters definition do you think I don't live up to?

And in no way am I paranoid... as you have admitted your personal dislike of me and my posts on PM, and that "I'd be outta there if it were up to you", the only place I see you trying to "bury the hatchet"... is in my back!

I came here, and "my dirty laundry" was well stowed in my laudry bag... you are the one who tried to scatter it all over this place. You sure didn't hear I have no integrity here.

Where else should you and I hash this out?
If I e-mail you, you post on PM implying I have been spamming your personal e-mail... prompting a warning/inquiry from the webmaster there.
If I try to discuss it with you on the open boards there, I am a troll, and a malcontent, and my membership will be terminated by bannishment.
So you follow me here, and YOU continue to stir the pot YOURSELF... getting in your jabs before you "cut and run"...

I have had no troubles like this with anyone here... until you showed up.
And I don't think most of the members here are the "big babies" some of the guys at PM can be... as I said I haven't had any troubles here and I joined this site only a week or so after joining PM.
If I was truly a troll intent on only stirring the pot, on any website I frequent, this would not be the case.
I'm sure, if the "nice people" here had a problem, Leonard would be more than willing to let them express their feelings on the subject... something I doubt would be allowed to happen over there... where your duties as a moderator have never been used upon anything I have written.

Unless you've deleted some of my posts because you deemed them unworthy... a policy I can't believe in... and that someone over there has done to me before.

Site one example of me ever breaking the rules on any website, and I'll admit to what you accuse me of...

Paranoid or not, I believe the things I say.

Spanky,

I did not see your post until I was writing this one... please, let me respond to a couple points...

So, now you define the help you have offered, to others, in the past.

You take hunters along on hunts...
You show them how to work the call, wind, and terrain...
You show them both, animals, and how to close the deal...

You could no more do that from where you and I are, than I could teach you to rockclimb online. Which, yes, I could (and would, if you wanted to... not an offer, just a fact). Not to brag, any more than you would, but I was at the top of that game (just a fact). I won't bother to pile you guys up with a bunch of pics, either.

That is not to say that your desire to do so is (or rather was) not sincere, it just isn't possible (not even if you were to offer it again).
This is a "Virtual World" and as much as we'd like to, we really can't go "anywhere in the world".

You can't hold the call in my mouth, you can't go hunting with me, you can't shoot my gun for me.
We could have discussed them, but no more, and only (like I tell new climbers) when we are comfortably at home... not when the real pressure was on... (although a signal on a laptop might be easier for a hunter to get and it is possible we could speak while I was in the field, but it would be cheaper to fly one of us to the other).

I now have a passion for predator hunting... so I guess I will eventually get better at it, with or without you, your help, or your e-caller.

Which if you had asked my opinion of whether or not I THINK it exists, I would have told you "yes I do!"
The issue was whether or not you had provided ME with total proof... beyond the credibilty of MY friend...

...who , I believe, would take my out in his truck, and blow his call for me, or play his machine, and probably even let me use his AR so when it came time to close the deal I'd have more than one shot to do it with.

He would have done it long before he or I ever met you too, so it has nothing to do with what has transpired between you and I, I also believe.

Curt and I built a respect for each other the old fashioned way... in person over a picnic table (just a fact).

I did work in a couple machine shops that made plastic parts for the airplane and boating industry... so I did recognize the parts of the mold, as resembling the c.g.g. that Curt had originally posted. So I believe it exsists, and what you say about it being your worthwhile project, but I still dispute proof.

Respect is a fragile thing... and it can easily be detroyed. I for one am sorry that had to happen to the respect that we had for one another (assuming you had any for me).
But the cool thing about respect is almost no matter what damage it has sustained it can often be as easily rebuilt... take you and Curt for example.

You both said bad things, both said you were sorry, both deleted the bad things like they never happened (leaving big holes in the story), and now you respect each other again.

It really can be that easy.

At least you and I are not tied together with 150' of rope, and it will take two more days to get off this wall... and our cooperation is imperative to our safety. [Wink]

As mentioned this is just a computer and those of us without compulsive disorders {lol}, can just turn it off and walk away...

I am the little loud guy, that only gets louder when you beat on the little monkey cage.
But I generally don't throw any feces from my cage either, I'm sorry you saw my perception of the facts as negativity aimed at you.
I don't believe I made any judgement calls about you personally, or about your e-caller as a viable product.
I made the calls I did make, with the proven facts you provided me...which are actually few and far between.

I have done a lot of searching within myself lately about my values and the position I portray to hold to. I've suddenly had a lot of problems with people online.
And I believe I have, and am worthy of, self respect... if not the repect of my peers here as well.

Your explaination has earned you the return of at least some of my repect. {nod}

Albert Einstein said, "In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity."

I would like to think these difficulties are an opportunity for me work this out with both of you gentlemen.
And that I can be man enough to rise to the challenge!

Jeff

Now I need to go pack my gear... Red says I need to huntin'... and he's right... we're leaving in the morning, I'll be back on Tuesday so you'll have at least one day of peace on your your boards...

The first coyote/cat that comes in will be named Mr. Cobb, and the next Spanky...

just kidding!

Posted by Predator Spanker (Member # 82) on February 17, 2003, 03:27 PM:

Krusty: I never had a gripe with you. I truly could not understand what your problem was with me. I did nothing remotely out of order.
I repeatedly explained my situation with our caller,And yet every time I turned around I was still be ridiculed. I will not sit by and let anyone slander me without a response. I just can't and won't lay down for anyone. And I will 100% of the time admit when I am wrong or out of order. I am also man enough to let bygones be bygones as in the case with Curt. I don't want any hard feelings with you. But you have to understand I do take things to hart. I am one of those people who can't just turn the other cheek when something is said about me that I feel to be negative.
I live a different kind of life style. When I have a problem with someone I confront them face to face. I am new to this Internet stuff.
A pissing contest can easily start with no way out. A faceless adversary you could say.
Tell you something else, A friend recently visited us from California. She booked a flight about 8 months ago. It cost her $568.00 for a round trip ticket. I have over the years helped quite a few guys out calling. I have one guy Phil Hicks flying here in March from Oregon for calling/trapping instructions. I made him the same offer I made you almost a year ago. I am not charging him a dime, good guy, friend of a friend.
Talking to him I come to find his Uncle has a sporting goods store and wants to carry our caller. Like I always said, what goes around comes around both bad and good.

Predator Spanker

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 17, 2003, 04:04 PM:

Just so you know. I have yet to create a list of rules for this Board. If needed, or whenever I get around to it, I can assure all contributors to this thread, you have not approached the type of behavior that would warrant sanctions. I don't like to see discord, but if you feel that you need to quarrel, the level we have , so far, is just fine.

I understand the desire to go public with certain issues, but some of this hashing things out, could better be done, via e-mail. I know that I'm totally lost, on the issues, and probably others are, as well. But, as I said, you have to do a certain amount of public posturing.

I'm confident that you fellas can reach an accommodation. I think I can detect it happening.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 17, 2003, 05:43 PM:

Leonard,

Thank you! Your understanding on this issue is greatly appreciated, I will not hash any more of this out here...

If Spanky and I have any more discussions on this I will keep mine in the e-mail format you have requested that I use... hopefully Spanky will do the same

With Mr. Cobb, however this does not seem to be possible... as Bob (webmaster) over at PM has informed me, any "harrasment" of Mr. Cobb by e-mail will be considered "spamming" and my membership there could be terminated...

And since (and before) the point when Mr. Cobb felt he had the "last straw" from me I have done nothing to provoke him... I have in fact since said nice things about him, and his generousity in sharing his e-caller plans... offered my apologies repeatedly... and requested over and over "we move on"...

My wife says I should "just give up... he'll never be my friend, no matter what I do..."

She's really smart!

Generally, the way I know BBs, these things are often best worked out by Private Messages... but over there (PM) they don't use that feature (or didn't)... Do we here?

For me it is way less about desire to "go public", than it is about trying not to overstep any rules on other sites. Covering my own *ss, if you like.

As I stated I was told (basically) that if I sent anything to Mr. Cobb personally, anywhere, and he was annoyed by it my membership on PM could be terminated... so I cannot deal with him privately.
When attacked "in public" I generally fight back "in public".
Sorry... something I need to work on...

Not that I really care, if a bunch of guys who don't like me kick me off their website... it's just a precident I don't want to set.

As usual "ask me about what I know, and I'll tell ya!" I could provide you guys with a bunch of links to a bunch of pissy flame wars, so you could be as informed as I am, but why bother...

This is the last I will respond to this here... If anyone has anything they'd like to work out with me on this... my hotmail is jeffsavoie768@hotmail.com (this is my private permanent address, I may be getting rid of AOL). I'd be glad to send e-mails back and forth... but only if a reply is requested...

Jeff

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 17, 2003, 07:31 PM:

Well, if that evil one has threatened to drop the hammer on you, you aren't annoying me, so I guess you are free to work it out by the channels available, including this one.

Of course, it is possible to just put someone on ignore. I'm not above it, myself. John Henry and I have not talked in around three years, or so?

The private messages are a feature I have available, but I don't like; very few ask about it. As far as policy, and features, I like simple stuff. You seem to manage very well with the funny little yellow critters.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on February 17, 2003, 09:22 PM:

Whaaaat?? You and JH ain't tight Leonard? Here I thought you guys were going calling all the time. heh heh

BTW, kudos to you for not having a knee-jerk environment here Leonard.

Posted by brad h (Member # 57) on February 19, 2003, 02:43 PM:

Hey Krusty, you a member of coy. gods? JH's bunch?

Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 19, 2003, 03:00 PM:

No Brad, I am not...

Why do you ask?

Funny I should see this question right now... I am looking at that site in another window as I write this.

Jeff

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