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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on June 22, 2010, 01:22 PM:
I was all for the General and cheering him on for slamming the whitehouse. Until I read the part where he said he voted for Obama.
Fuck him. He deserves what he gets.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 22, 2010, 03:23 PM:
I didn't like that either, but I don't like the lynching that awaits him, either....or neither.
Good hunting. LB
PS I really think it helps a Presidential candidate, if he has had military experience. Didn't help Bush senior against the draft dodger. Shameful.
Good hunting ElBee
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on June 22, 2010, 06:33 PM:
Mc Crystal made two major mistakes
1) He voted for an Asshole
2) He did not follow the chain of command and now he's paying the price.
I'm sure hes a great guy and all but not real bright.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 22, 2010, 06:52 PM:
There might be other reasons?
1. He just might think Obama and crew are total idiots.
2 He doesn't want to see anymore of his men killed under his command, because of a broke dick puke like our new Commander in chief.
3. He doesn't want to resign, because then he'll be labeled a quitter. So he exposes the UPS president and retires, etc... (UPS = useless piece of shit)
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on June 22, 2010, 11:52 PM:
He still voted for the SOB Dan. He helped elect him, he can deal with what he got.
I do feel for the men over there. They needed help and didnt get it. But this fuckstick said when campainging he was pulling out so why would the good General expect any more men?
He got what he deserved.
Posted by Alaskan Yoter (Member # 169) on June 23, 2010, 03:32 AM:
quote:
He doesn't want to resign, because
....any man with that type of reputation and history won't want to let his men down, let alone see them fall way side to one of Osamas new Czars.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on June 23, 2010, 04:53 AM:
How does giving that interview to Rolling Stone make 1 soldier safer? He fucked up big time
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 23, 2010, 07:50 AM:
Unless...............He's positioning himself for his upcoming political career. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 23, 2010, 09:28 AM:
Colin Powell backed Obama too. Never cared too much for him either.
I don't know what to think about this McChrystal guy. From what I understand he is being held accountable for stuff his staff said. I would like to see barry o held to as high of standards.
[ June 23, 2010, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: DanS ]
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on June 23, 2010, 09:58 AM:
He is the president cant be sued cant be arrested he can however be impeached after that all bets are off . its good to be King
edited because I type very well
[ June 23, 2010, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: Paul Melching ]
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 23, 2010, 10:08 AM:
OK, Hypothetically
What if McChrystal is right? We all know obama is thin skinned and won't take shit from an insubordinate whiteboy even if the the guy knows way more than obama ever will about military strategy and such.
Does obama "man up" and change his strategy on "His war". Afganistan? Or continue his ignorance and kill off young American soldiers.
[ June 23, 2010, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: DanS ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 23, 2010, 10:17 AM:
I'll give you one guess. What do you think "clueless" will do? I think he will give a speech in which he will thank McC for his service, and can him. Dust himself off as if nothing happened, and continue focusing on his sorry social agenda
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on June 23, 2010, 10:17 AM:
Im sure everyting he said was true. However, he still voted for the ringtailed furbearer.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 23, 2010, 10:36 AM:
They just said on FOX that he has been relieved.
But look, I'm not sticking up for him, but better than half the country voted for him and some of them have seen the error of their ways, including him. I have not been serious in charging half of our membership with casting a vote for change they can believe in; but, I know that (truthfully) there was damned few that did. We need to correct the mistake and get these people on our side. How are we going to do that? Telling them to fuck off, etc etc.?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 23, 2010, 10:38 AM:
quote;
However, he still voted for the ringtailed furbearer.
Damn Andy, your a hoot.
Looks like the General got the axe already. General Patreaus taking over? OK I know I spelled his name wrong.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on June 23, 2010, 10:39 AM:
It's obvious that Obama doesnt give a drizzly shit about American soldiers of any color.
Hes all about social engineering and revolution why do you thik hes so fucking good at dividing us along all lines.
Just wait till he pops blanket amnesty on us through his little dyke Jane watch the rift on that one!
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 23, 2010, 10:42 AM:
When 1/2 the country doesn't pay income taxes, and probably never will, it would sure be hard to convince them that they should go to work, support themselves, etc, etc...
So they voted for the "Chosin one" who will make sure the Gov't gets bigger and takes care of them, reguardless of what it cost the rest of America.
What's the old saying , be scared of large groups of stupid people?
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on June 23, 2010, 10:48 AM:
What's the old saying , be scared of large groups of stupid people?
Hey dont bag on kalifornia like that I used to live there!
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 23, 2010, 11:50 AM:
Yea, I have that cross to bear too, I did a couple of years in San Berdu County.
Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on June 23, 2010, 01:48 PM:
It's official... this just posted online at yahoo.com.
"In a statement expressing praise for McChrystal yet certainty he had to go, Obama said he did not make the decision over any disagreement in policy or "out of any sense of personal insult." Flanked by Vice President Joe Biden, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in the Rose Garden, he said: "War is bigger than any one man or woman, whether a private, a general, or a president."
Ya, sure, nothing personal at all!
He urged the Senate to confirm Petraeus swiftly and emphasized the Afghanistan strategy he announced in December was not shifting with McChrystal's departure.
"This is a change in personnel but it is not a change in policy," Obama said.
Indeed, as Obama was speaking, McChrystal released a statement saying that he resigned out of "a desire to see the mission succeed."
"I strongly support the president's strategy in Afghanistan," McChrystal said.
Obama hit several grace notes about McChrystal and his service after their Oval Office meeting, saying that he made the decision to sack him "with considerable regret." And yet, he said the job in Afghanistan cannot be done now under McChrystal's leadership, asserting that the critical remarks from the general and his inner circle in the Rolling Stone magazine article displayed conduct that doesn't live up to the standards for a command-level officer.
"I welcome debate among my team, but I won't tolerate division," Obama said.
...or anyone that doesn't agree and bow down to him!
Nikonut ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 23, 2010, 02:30 PM:
So now Rolling Stone magazine is influencing American politics, again???? Welcome back to the '60s.
I predict that we haven't heard or seen the last of Gen. McC. (retired). He can now run as an outsider with military experience who 'tried' to work with the current admin. Palin / McChrystal 2012 ????? ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Edit 4 speling
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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 23, 2010, 03:27 PM:
I seriously doubt he'd run with Palin. He did vote for the "chosin one", so he's probably a die-hard liberal.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 24, 2010, 09:42 AM:
I dunno............he would definitly bring a lot to the table for the Palin ticket.
And as far as who he really voted for..........he 'claims' it was for The Big O, which makes him all the more the underdog. Somehow I'm just not getting a good visual of the 'Military / Liberal' concept.
One things for sure; these be interesting times.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 24, 2010, 10:07 AM:
Two things.
First, he admitted that he voted for Obama. No rehabilitation from that kind of fuck up.
Second, he gave an interview to Rolling Stones. What kind of idiot would not see the potential of a hatchet job?
Forget this guy, same catagory as what's his name that tried to run for President. Name starts with a W, Kosovo and Bosnia General? Loser.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on June 24, 2010, 03:03 PM:
The ringtailed one has no intrest in the war.
Yall think Im nuts most likely, for several reasons, but for one, thinkin maybe the oil spill was in inside job. But maybe it was just convenient? Soros buys a big ass chunk of Brazils oil comopany just before O bans drilling for 6 months and the rigs were ready to head for Brazil, before he was bitch slapped by the judge in La. So that one may have backfired.
This kind of shit is going on all around him. He has no other goal than to make his buddies, and himself, as rich and powerful as he possibly can. And, socialize the country to slant things where he and his ilk can retain as much power as possible even after he has been impeached or otherwise removed from the whitehouse.
Why do you think the blanket amnesty thing is coming, and yes, its coming no matter what we want or the Senate wants. He wants to dilute the vote before November.
This is the biggest scam, even bigger than whore house Gore and his global warming, ever pulled on the American people.
Im afraid that when the amnesty thing happens, there will be a war in the streets.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on June 24, 2010, 03:36 PM:
McCrysrtal is a noted stratigist no telling waht he might do.
Obama is a slimy Chicago thug hes all about Obama what a piece of shit. If he didnt have the media sucking his butt he wouldnt last long. Hes hip deep in alot of crap from Blagoavitch to Tony Rezko but he will sail along unscathed.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 25, 2010, 03:15 AM:
Andy,
10 years ago I would have thought you were a little paranoid and that this shit couldn't happen here in the good ol' USA.But today I think you speak alot of truth.And if/when the whole Amnesty thing does go down we're screwed both Socially and Politically for a while to come.
This Administration just infuriates me more and more with each passing day. My Gawd it hasn't even been 2 years and it seems like it's been 10 times that long. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
![[Mad]](mad.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 28, 2010, 11:16 PM:
Turns out, according to OReilli tonight, McCrystal is a friggin' liberal. No wonder he gave an extensive interview to Rolling Stone? What is odd, is that the reporter did a job on the General, knowing he is a member of the same political hemisphere?
In any case, it's good riddance and now he's retiring, also good for the Army. They said he turns off FOXNews in his HQ. And, virtually the entire Armed Forces watches FOX. So, he was a square peg in a round hole and maybe that explains the exasperating rules of engagement he concocted? Fuck him!
Good hunting. LB
PS he even LOOKS liberal, in a John Kerry sort of way!
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on June 29, 2010, 06:59 AM:
How in Hell does a liberal get to be a General??
Chesty Puller must be doing some serious RPMs in his grave if this is what the military has come to.
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on June 29, 2010, 10:55 AM:
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How in Hell does a liberal get to be a General??
Obviously the same way Colin Powell did...maybe he's not exactly as liberal as this dude, but Powell was known as the 'Peace General'. One of my good friends is a retired Lt. Col. in the Marines, and said that Powell was a 'paper warrior', not a real warrior.
As far as I am concerned that SOB has the blood of all of the Iraqi Kurds on his hands that Saddam annihilated.
When Schwartzkopf said we needed to take care of Saddam in Desert Storm 1, Powell told him to shut his mouth and submit his resignation.
Then the Kurds begged Bush 41 to support them to overthrow Saddam, 41 said he would, then was talked out of it by CP--unfortunately, the offer of non-support was not relayed to the Kurds planning the coup. They left the Kurd's asses flappin' in the breeze and Saddam killed them by the thousands.
'Ol CP showed his real spots when he endorsed the ringtailed furbearer for president IMHO.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 29, 2010, 11:27 AM:
Yeah, agreed. Powell's not one of us. He has no future. I don't understand why Bush made him Sec of State?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on June 29, 2010, 11:40 AM:
If Powell would have let us take care of Saddam and save the Kurds in the first go around in Iraq, there is no telling how much better the situation would have been today. Stopping short was a huge mistake and huge turning point, IMHO.
How could you not have know that McChrystal wasnt a liberal? He said in the famous interview he voted for the ringtailed one.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 29, 2010, 11:56 AM:
I've heard from too many officers say that Colonel can be reached by merit, but getting a star requires politics. I believe Colin Powell was all politics and affirmative action.
IMO, Bush appointing him, was his stupid reaching out being a "Uniter" bullshit. Another major fuck up like his old man appointing Sutter to the SCOTUS.
It is funny watching the liberals eat there own young "so to speak". Wondering if the fallen General will team up with the other Liberal General Wesley Clark, and run for the Democrat primaries.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 05, 2010, 01:59 PM:
(another point of view, via email)
The General and the Community Organizer
by Paul R. Hollrah
Channel-surfing from ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN through MSNBC and Fox News, the inside-the-beltway pundits had a field day trying to get inside the heads of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, General Stanley McChrystal, and McChrystal’s top aides. The one thing common to all of the analyses, by the most famous and highly-paid talking heads in the Western World, was that they are all wrong… dead wrong. What is certain is that they all owe General McChrystal and his senior aides an apology for assuming that they are lame-brained numbskulls.
The facts of the McChrystal case are not in dispute. General McChrystal and his senior officers allowed a reporter for Rolling Stone Magazine, Michael Hastings, to have almost unprecedented access during an extended stay in Paris. The extended stay was due, in part, to an excess of atmospheric ash from Iceland’s Eyjafjallajokull volcano, keeping the McChrystal party grounded for days.
In an interview with CNN, Hastings reported that he had a tape recorder in his hand most of the time and that McChrystal was “very aware” that his comments would find their way into print. He said, “McChrystal and his people set no ground rules for their conversations, although they did ask that some parts of their conversations were off the record.” Hastings subsequently published a lengthy profile of General McChrystal on June 22, titled, The Runaway General.
As Hastings wrote in his profile, McChrystal thought that Obama looked “uncomfortable and intimidated” by the roomful of military brass during their first meeting. Of their second meeting, an advisor to McChrystal quoted the general as saying that it was “a 10-minute photo op.” He went on to say, “Obama clearly didn’t know anything about (McChrystal), who he was. Here’s the guy who’s going to run his f_ _ _ing war, but he didn’t seem very engaged. The Boss was pretty disappointed.”
As General McChrystal flew from Afghanistan to Washington to face Obama in the Oval Office, the almost unanimous opinion of the talking heads was that the comments made by McChrystal and his staff were off the cuff and inadvertent. But to believe that is to totally ignore who these men are.
General McChrystal and his top officers are not simple-minded, knuckle-dragging brutes. To the contrary, they are intelligent, thoughtful, highly educated, patriots… graduates of West Point and other fine universities… who are dedicated to duty, honor, and country. To think that such men would be so careless as to speak unflatteringly of Obama, Biden, and other top administration figures, in the presence of a reporter for a notoriously left wing publication, defies logic… at the very least. To think that men who are trained to be careful and deliberate in everything they do, could do something so careless and so unguarded is simply beyond comprehension.
I would argue that McChrystal and his aides knew exactly what they were doing.
From the day that he became the handpicked “spear carrier” for Obama’s unique brand of warfare… playing at being Commander in Chief while playing to his far left constituency… McChrystal’s life had been one of constant frustration. After telling Obama exactly how many troops he needed to carry out his mission, Obama dithered for months before deciding to give him just half the troops he requested. McChrystal could not have been happy about that.
The Obama team insisted on new Rules of Engagement designed to reduce collateral damage (civilian casualties). Obama’s ROE required that U.S. troops must be able to see the enemy with weapon in hand before they were allowed to return fire. One videotape circulated on the Internet showed a platoon of Marines pinned down by enemy sniper fire. But since the enemy was firing from some distance behind the open window of a building, the Marines could not actually see the weapon being fired. Although they were taking deadly fire, they were prohibited by the ROE from putting small arms fire or an RPG through the window opening.
Under Obama’s politically correct ROE, our soldiers and Marines were required to fight with one hand tied behind their backs. McChrystal could not have been happy about that.
A strict new interrogation policy, dictated by Attorney General Eric Holder, required that prisoners must be delivered to an Interrogation Center within twenty-four hours of being captured or be released. A great deal of actionable intelligence was lost as a result and battle-hardened enemy fighters were returned to the field to kill Americans. McChrystal must have found that to be incomprehensible.
But the greatest insult to our troops in the field, and to the officers who lead them, may be a new battlefield medal designed by the Obama team. It is called the Courageous Restraint Medal and is awarded to soldiers and Marines who demonstrate uncommon restrain in combat by not firing their weapons even when they feel threatened by the enemy. Would we be surprised to learn that the preponderance of these medals were awarded posthumously? McChrystal must have found that to be an insanity.
I suggest that, having his best military judgments subjected to the White House political sieve for nearly a year and a half, McChrystal decided that he’d had enough. And when he announced to his senior staff that he was prepared to retire they decided to push back… to make the most of a bad situation. It was clear that, if McChrystal were to simply take off his uniform and walk away, his retirement would be page-twenty news for a day or two before the mainstream media and the American people forgot all about him.
They had to make the most of his retirement because it provided a one-time opportunity to show the American people, as well as our enemies and our allies, that the man who claims the title of Commander in Chief of the U.S. military does not command the respect of our men and women in uniform. To make the most of that opportunity they had to choose their messenger very carefully.
They knew that, by openly showing their disrespect for Obama in front of just any newsman, they may not attract the attention they desired. Like any astute observer of the MSM, they knew that most reporters would turn on their own mothers if it meant a good story. But they could not take a chance that a mainstream media reporter might suffer a rare pang of conscience when confronted with the prospect of ruining the careers of some of the most senior officers in the War on Terror. They had to fix the odds as much as possible in their favor so they chose to use Michael Hastings and Rolling Stone Magazine.
During the long hours that General McChrystal was in the air between Kabul and Washington, Obama knew that he had just two choices… both bad. He could declare McChrystal to be an irreplaceable asset in the war effort, give him a public reprimand, and send him back to Kabul. Or he could fire McChrystal, sending a clear message that, at least in his own mind, he was the Commander in Chief.
In the former case, he was certain to appear weak and ineffectual… a man not totally in charge. In the latter case, he might at least win a few rave reviews from the Kool-Ade drinkers in the mainstream media. He chose the latter of the two options.
But what is now lost in all of the hand-wringing and speculation is the fact that McChrystal and his people have succeeded in doing exactly what they set out to do. They wanted to plant the seed in the minds of the American people that Obama is not up to the task of being Commander in Chief and that he does not command the respect of the men and women of the uniformed services… from the newest Private E-1 up to the top four-star generals and admirals.
That seed is now firmly planted and it cannot be unplanted.
From this day forward, no one will have to tell the American people that Stanley McChrystal is a true warrior, a man’s man, and that Barack Obama is nothing more than a… community organizer. Well done, General!
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on July 05, 2010, 05:28 PM:
They ought to give 'Courageous Restraint Medals' to all of us that didn't vote for that bastard to have to endure his regime!
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