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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 13, 2009, 08:34 PM:
I just watched the news for the first time in over a year they had the head of department of transpertation giveing a speach about a bill that was approved to give 700 and some Billion to the D.O.T. for improvements or replacements of roads and bridges in all 50 states.. Sounds like a good thing to me and it also means i'll be in the money..LOL
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 13, 2009, 08:48 PM:
Yeah, thats good Tim. But at what cost to the country?
Obama is all bad. Period.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 13, 2009, 09:08 PM:
I don't follow politics much, the majority votes elect someone and it don't matter how much i bitch its not going to change anything. The man is here to stay for atleast fours years and i still have my job and the future also looks good so i'm just going to go along for the ride, for now anyway..
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on April 13, 2009, 09:18 PM:
Excellent post Tim. Excellent.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 14, 2009, 12:37 AM:
Huh?
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 14, 2009, 05:36 AM:
Sounds like a democrat to me.
Hoooray for me, fuck you!!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 14, 2009, 08:39 AM:
Must be something about those "subcalibers"? They poison the mind. First, you got JohnHenry and his liberal Democratic attitude, then TA starts tweeting like a true believer.
Frankly, if this keeps up, I'm worried about Vic? And, Dave.
Good hunting. LB (just kidding)
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on April 14, 2009, 09:11 AM:
I may just be simple minded, but my country is just like a small family.
If a small family borrows and spends the money, where does it get the money to pay it back. They DON"T. Neither will the US. We will expect our kids and their kids pay the new debts, if that's even possible.
Of all the money they are spending most Americans will not see an improvement in their lives, just higher taxes. Whether you pay more to the government of just pay more for a product from a company that is paying more taxes, you ultimately pay the bill.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 14, 2009, 10:06 AM:
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I don't follow politics much, the majority votes elect someone and it don't matter how much i bitch its not going to change anything. The man is here to stay for atleast fours years and i still have my job and the future also looks good so i'm just going to go along for the ride, for now anyway..
Tim
I love ya buddy, but its just that attitude thats gotten us here.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on April 14, 2009, 01:19 PM:
Ah come on now Leonard,I'm a subcaliber guy too and I'm about as far from a liberal as you can get.
As far as the debt is concerned,I don't thing it will be much of a problem,China has leant us alot of the debt we have now, and once they start wanting it back they will just start cashing in on all the foreclosures(Homes)They will be able to overthrow our country without even raising a weapon.All legal and shit.....
So soon we'll start getting new Chinese neighbors.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 14, 2009, 03:54 PM:
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If a small family borrows and spends the money, where does it get the money to pay it back. They DON"T. Neither will the US. We will expect our kids and their kids pay the new debts, if that's even possible.
I know just how you feel. I've been paying on youre guys det for sometime.
LOL Paul..Like i said i don't follow politics very much and i don't even know what a liberal Democratic or a repulican is or the difference..
It don't pay to get all worked up over something you or i have no control over so i think i'll go shoot some Gophers or something..
But anyway look at the bright side he is creating more jobs and he is not affraid to have our troops blast a cap on a bad guy..
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 14, 2009, 04:23 PM:
Tim
lol if apathy was crime you'd a been born in the electric chair.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 14, 2009, 04:43 PM:
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Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on April 14, 2009, 05:02 PM:
Another slinkie?? LOL
Randy
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on April 14, 2009, 07:29 PM:
I look at things a little differently. If the money is going to do routine maintenance like top coatings on freeways and asphalt roads, it is simply a make work program. The maintenance should be done but not to the extent we go into debt. If some new bridges, tunnels, and freeways are needed, then I don't have a problem with some deficit spending to build these needed things now. The next generation will still be paying for them, but the next generation will also get to drive on them too. I look at NEEDED infrastructure as an investment into the future.
Don't think I like the Big O. The vast majority of his budget is simply spending. He didn't even attempt to show some leadership when congress was putting together that stimulus spending package. It was the Big O's chance to let congress go wild with our money for their stupid little pet projects; especially Nancy Shitlosy.
Posted by stevecriner (Member # 892) on April 14, 2009, 07:58 PM:
How much stuff did you leave on the guys leg that filled you fool of this bullpoop????You got robbed.
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on April 14, 2009, 08:00 PM:
4/14/2009 quote:
i don't even know what a liberal Democratic or a repulican is or the difference..
Where have I heard this before...
2/14/2006 quote:
i don't know nothing about calling coyotes... i just push and snipe.
Oh shit, print the "Anderson in 2012" signs.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 14, 2009, 08:40 PM:
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 14, 2009, 09:13 PM:
I only have one thing to say about the topic's title, and that is......
The asshole actually IS ALL BAD! He wants our guns. That's all I need to know. Everything else falls into place. When they want my guns, there ain't a damned thing about them that I agree with. Gun control is at the top of my list and their list and after that, it's regulations and taxes and placating the axis of evil without preconditions and insulting our friends and bowing to the friggin' Arabs, and lying and cheating and cronyism, and welfare and handing out billions without accountability, and not paying their patriotic taxes and not paying taxes on their domestic help and (did I mention lying?) flying jumbo jets with F16 escorts between San Francisco and Washington DC every week, and tying the hands of the Navy while sending a goddamned hostage negotiating team, like the guy with the gold bars on his collar doesn't know what to do?
Okay, I'm done but that teleprompter president you folks elected just drives me nuts! What a spineless twit....everything is George Bush's fault!
I suppose my file must be overflowing, by now?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on April 14, 2009, 11:38 PM:
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When i had a talk with 2 of the three mentioned, one said he only talked on chat and it was'nt about coyotes. The other one that you supposed to of had many conversations with claims he dose'nt even know you..LOL
I will give you credit though you are the best bullshit artist on the internet..LOL
Thank you for kicking that bush for me, with the Private Message, Tim. Your professionalism is well noted.
Let's be clear here. I've spoken (literally) to Olson once and I never claimed otherwise. I have agreed and debated with him a handful of times online as early as 2005.
The extent of my dropping names with him in Kansas was this: I’ll withhold detail since we spoke confidentially. (Paraphrasing)
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On the topic of tolling with Airdales,
JRB- "If they're so good, why aren't Cal and the likes using them?"
Olson- "I've hunted with Cal… Airdales are best"
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On the topic of tolling-
JRB- "I've hunted behind two of John Henry's dogs for only one day, unsuccessfully. I have no interest in hunting in heat."
Olson- “It’s a job for me… my dogs are awesome”
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So there’s the extent of my name dropping- if he begs to differ I invite him to join us here and share. Our fundamental disagreement has always been that he paints all coyote behaviors with a wide brush. I feel some of this is unfounded by research and my limited personal experience, he feels his personal experience validates it above & beyond.
As for not knowing me, his eyes widened and he greeted me with a firm handshake when I gave my name. He specifically referenced a few points from our previous internet discussions from 07… he recollected the handler of the dogs I hunted with… so maybe the way you’re stroking him privately is clouding his memory now.
As for Roede & Huber, I clearly said: “I’ve learned a few things from Roede and taken a lot of interest in what Scott Huber has had to say over the years as well.” At no point did I ever claim to have spoken to either man, although I hope to meet them both someday. Something tells me they’re both wishing they’d never met you. I hope my outspokenness against your delusional drivel hasn’t burnt a bridge with either of them- but I’ve waded this far.
Now, am I the online bullshit artist Tim? Or, am I just an inconveniently well-spoken and diligent little asshole that you’ve crossed one too many times? You’ve clusterfucked more good coyote discussions than any 3 wannabe’s I’ve ever seen. Through your obsession in affiliating with the credible men in this sport- you’ve managed to piss off and otherwise alienate damn near everybody that’s anybody.
It’s clear that you’re the kind of guy that will push women and children down to exit a burning building. You’re the kind of guy that will drop names to build a little credibility then post private conversations to save it. You'd drop my right to own an AR15 for $12 on your paycheck. You’ll take experiences of others and mold them into your own: take sound advice and berate it in the author’s absence.
The question is, why do *I* stoop down to you when others ignore? Never argue with a fool, they say, folks at a distance can’t tell who the fool is.
I like to think I’m a reasonably intelligent guy, hopefully those that know me best would agree. So why in the hell would I participate in these discussions with you Tim? Let me tell you a secret.
I meticulously choose my battles; I do not act or react out of emotion. I write carefully, proofread slowly, and verify that what I post is what I intend to say. Weather it be a discussion about coyotes, politics or personal disagreements: you can guarantee one of two things when I have involved myself in an argument.
1) I’m wrong, using the emotion, ego and pride of heated debate to learn from a source otherwise unwilling to share. Proven wrong today, proven wiser for tomorrow.
Or
2) I’m right, enjoying the process of watching the world come to that realization against tall odds.
As the chat rooms go silent, emails go unanswered, and your threads sit idle…. tell yourself Obama can fix it.
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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 15, 2009, 05:45 AM:
LB, I agree 100%. Ive said for a long time that if a politician agrees with the 2nd ammendment, the rest just seems to fall in line. Im not totally a one issue man, but that one issue normally tells alot about the candidate.
That said, Jason, continue on with the public flogging. (Insert the little popcorn and beer icon...)
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 15, 2009, 09:21 AM:
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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on April 15, 2009, 10:38 AM:
You mean (This Thread)?
By posting the term "discuss" I didn't mean to imply a verbal communication. I certainly didn't mean to earn the status of "liar" with that comment. Are you anchoring your claim on this one twisted phrase, or do you have further examples of my intentional deception?
For the sake of entertainment, I'll wager that for every half-baked "lie" you can concoct on my behalf in 10 years- I can post 10 slanderous comments you've made about various members of this 1 website. From Waggoner to Shaw to Criner to Leonard to Cal to Vic to Pilgrim to Andy to Geordie and more... you've privately butchered damn near everyone reading this thread haven’t you?
That’d be hard to prove, huh? If only there were one diligent little asshole with access to pages and pages of the drivel you never intended for those folks to see. Since you had no qualms about posting Olson’s private message, I suspect you wouldn’t mind sharing your own? Just say the word and I’ll submit a query for logs posted under your username.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 15, 2009, 11:27 AM:
I have nothing to sell or hide so copy and paste away... LOL ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 15, 2009, 08:42 PM:
Bam bam makes my skin crawl. I don't even have to hear him, just to see that suave "cool" walk off AF1 gags me. I don't think the sonofabitch even has a clue. When you see him stammer and stumble thru an inpromtu speech or Q&A, your seeing the real man.....an empty fucking suit.
Just think, only three years and 9 months left to have this bumbling idiot in control.....and we think things are bad now?
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 15, 2009, 08:57 PM:
Vic, I agree 100%. I hear him or see him and I have to leave the room. I dont want to hear a damned thing he has to say. It cant be good.
He is tearing this country to shreds. And it may be damage that cannot be repaired. Im glad there are several states that still believe in states rights and have balls enough to make sure the feds know it. Im also proud to live in one of those states.
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on April 15, 2009, 09:10 PM:
I agree also Vic. I also suffer from 'road rage' when I pass a car sporting an obama bumber sticker.
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on April 15, 2009, 09:15 PM:
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 15, 2009, 09:25 PM:
Yeah, thanks Andy! How about a little sympathy for us living in The Land of the Fruits and the Nuts?
Good hunting. LB
PS just think. The Left thinks they really, really hated Bush. Well, guess what?
So, what the hell are we going to do about a totally polarized country?
Need something else to worry about? The first of the baby boomers are turning 62 and starting to apply for Social Security and beginng a process that will take 78 million taxpayers out of the workforce. In three years, you cannot imagine the burden they will have on Medicare. Yeah, except for the fact that he can perform miracles, Obami will/might have his hands full.
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 15, 2009, 11:34 PM:
Leonard, I have a little 15 acre tract of oak tree heaven here. My family has several farms in the Ozark hills, you have seen a little of it. Im sure we can make room for you should you ever feel the need to bug out.
We could always use another able bodied shooter when we seceed from the union and the fun begins.
Edit: Im probably on so many fuckin lists its pathetic. From my reserved nature on politics on the internet, to homeschooling, to weapons purchases, to growing and butchering my own food, to ammo reloading, hell, theres no tellin....
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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 16, 2009, 05:42 AM:
You know, watching the news this morning, its plain sickening.
- Fox news has picked up on the Right Wing Extremeist thing I posted a few days ago. Our Homeland Security guru, Janet Napolotano, is saying to watch returning Vets for domestic terrorism.
- Nancy Pelosi this morning said in an interview that the Tea Partys around the country were astro turf instead of grass roots. They were organized by the rich elitests and not everyday Americans.
- A CNN reporter jumped down the throat of a man describing why he was at a Tea Party, holding his child. She links Tea Party goers to Hitler. You guys should do a google search on this and see some of the things she had to say.
(Hint: Dont go to CNN looking for it...)
Thats just during the first cup of coffee this morning. The gloves are coming off. Thing is, I dont know who the opponent is for sure? Is it white vs black? Right vs Left? Haves vs Have Nots? I really dont know?
Its boiling to a head. Thats for sure.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2009, 08:18 AM:
Uh huh, and whatever it is, have you noticed the jump in gun prices?
Just yesterday, Paul was telling me that he can't find any reloading components. My grandson, in Kuwait said nobody has 380ACP ammo?
Make no mistake, Andy. The Feds will show up at your "barracaded compound" and hose y'all down in a New York minute. They will say that you fit all the profiles, beady eyes, short dick, lots of "weapons", including sniper rifles and assault rifles, and really needed killin'.
We is Fuked!
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 16, 2009, 03:30 PM:
Nobody has 380 ammo. Not online, nowhere that I see. I went into a local gun store 2 days ago and they had 5 "boxes", no labels, of 50 rd ball. Limit 1 per customer. I bought one for my mom, thats what she carries. I dont know what the big deal is on 380?
I got quite a bit of reloading supplies. Thing is, Im afraid to shoot. Not knowing when or if it can be replaced, its just sitting there. And thats really not fair to my boys. They live for guns and hunting. They love to shoot. I used to turn them loose with their 22s and a 550 value pack. Now they get a box of 50 and thats not very often.
Pisses me off to no end.
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on April 18, 2009, 10:41 PM:
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For the sake of entertainment, I'll wager that for every half-baked "lie" you can concoct on my behalf in 10 years- I can post 10 slanderous comments you've made about various members of this 1 website. From Waggoner to Shaw to Criner to Leonard to Cal to Vic to Pilgrim to Andy to Geordie and more... you've privately butchered damn near everyone reading this thread haven’t you?
Jason, I would be interested in seeing this. If you dont want to post it, email it to me. It seems I have an intrest?
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on April 19, 2009, 11:23 AM:
TA - how can a gun owning working man with even half a brain support O'Sama????
380's must be like fat women and mopeds - nobody wants to be seen riding one but they'll damned sure get you to where you wanna go if you'll just hop on.......
So I've heard, anyway.....
Stores here in the center of the country are sold out of everything, especially 22LR.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 19, 2009, 11:33 AM:
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how can a gun owning working man with even half a brain support O'Sama????
I don't support Obama and never voted for him. I was just pointing out a few things that he has done so far that to me is'nt all bad..
i read some garbage on another site that stated Obama was not going after our gun rights but after those that supply weapons to the Mexican drug cartel.. Like i said in the beginning i don't follow politics to much, it just gets people all worked up over nothing.. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2009, 03:13 PM:
Yeah, but what false and nasty rumor have you been spreading about me, your most ardent and frequent protector? Come clean, ye varlet! Let's hear all about it, be contrite; and perhaps I will again be merciful?
Or, must I learn details from Jason before you've had a chance to 'splain?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 19, 2009, 03:35 PM:
LOL Leonard. I'm not sure what it is but with Jason imagination i'm sure it willbe a goodone.
Maybe when Andy gets the low down he can fill you in as well..
You've always treated me fair so what ever it is it should'nt be to bad.. What ever you do don't make me sit in a corner with Paul... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on April 19, 2009, 05:00 PM:
If your brain had any control over your mouth, you wouldn't have anything to hide... and you wouldn't have gone back and edited the last 6 post you've made in this topic alone. Unfortunately, when your ego and credibility are under pressure: you just start typing frantically.
That "corner" is a perfect place for you Tim. You can prove your ignorance in coyote discussion under the illusion that you're being taken seriously. Despite everyone in that crowd knowing what a clueless dipshit you are, the moderation team will save your throat to prevent an ugly scene like this. I'm glad Leonard, among others, share my sense of humor.
It may also be noteworthy that 4 guys took on extra USER-ID's on Midwest Predator just to have anonymous chat sessions with you Tim. You're so damned blind, you think *I* am your problem.
I'll be your huckleberry.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 19, 2009, 05:38 PM:
Not my corner , I earned it , worked hard for it , and am not sharing it with anyone!
Paul
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 19, 2009, 07:00 PM:
I edited my post cause i was asked to. But i still proved my point you are just a lieing azz-hole. I new about youre little games on youre site ( Mid-West home and garden) thats why i don't have anything to hide. You can ask New berry about that,to prove my point i mentioned youre name often on chat, just baiting the rat, hell you even lied to him and he is one of youre Mods.. Members donate to youre site to help cover exspenses and you take the money pay whats needed and go buy more hunting toys with the rest..Hmmm
Awhile back you jumped on Krusty about being worthless and not haveing any real jobs and such and yet you are liveing the same life as him. You have'nt held a job down for as long as i've known you for no longer than a year or little more. Talk about worthless..
Most guys go the certain sites to read the forums , you on the other hand go to youre's to read there P.M.'s sent to other members. Sure the webb is'nt private but you just so happen are in the habbit to dig a little deeper than most and do it often..
I've always been me and no one elsle and have never tried to hide it, on the other hand i'm finding out the real you..LOL
P.S. At least Krusty tries to make a life for himself by doing odd jobs and trapping but you are worthless as coyote scat..
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Posted by stevecriner (Member # 892) on April 19, 2009, 08:01 PM:
TA,
Actualy Coyote Scat is pretty important in the fundementals of scouting for canis latrans. Scat often shows the signs of a coyote presence and what the said coyote has been feeding on previously. Sometimes scat will let you know if they are foundering on grass hoppers or berries over the meat of their prey. I consider scat very important and i dont think i would say "worthless than coyote scat". You know one thing though,,,scat always tells the truth. Not poking just lettin ya know. Oh by the way ,,,I heard you were in the ranchin,,,I mean farmin business.
PS I tried to sound scientific so you could use it in your book you might write someday.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 19, 2009, 08:13 PM:
AAh Steve i figured you would show up sooner or later. You want to play too??
Actualy its pretty worthless it just tells you a coyote was there at some point in time.. If a coyote had berriers in its scat what you gonna use to call it in with a Berry call or the worthless Mac-daddy call??? I'm past the looking for scat game i just go out and locate. You should try it sometime! Its alot better than spending youre day looking at shit.. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on April 19, 2009, 08:22 PM:
Tim, the problem with the “Sling shit & hope something sticks” approach is that you’re not controlling the tempo of this discussion Tim. Let’s take a deep breath and see what, if any, of your post remains to be remotely credible.
First, who asked you to edit a post, much less 6 (now 7) in a row? I was not aware that anyone here cared what you had to say: much less thought it was worthy of review. I’m assuming you were “dropping names” again, grasping for that network of folks who continue to step away from you slowly.
Secondly, I've been an engineering manager for the same company for the last 2 years. When I met you, months prior to taking this position, I was filming hunts fulltime for 3 companies as well as one that I own. (which I still do part-time) To be clear, you have never known me to be unemployed. Understood? I have probably out-earned your entire household since I graduated college. I say that in the most humble possible way, with my middle finger in the air and a grin on my face.
The issue of “donations” with MPH has never been out of necessity, it has been about community. Donations are spent on membership functions like the one we’ll host in July. A dozen men are privy to the finances of Midwest Predator, only one donation of $20 or more has been made in the last 12 months and that was by a moderator. The other $1,500 + that it took to operate the site, print advertisements and host events in that timeframe was provided from my checking account. MPH has grown at a rate that ensured it would never cover the majority of its own expenses, much less shown a profit. You’re welcome.
You do not have the brain capacity to call a coyote consistently, much less bait ME with your actions. I have told you, Newbomb, Andy and the rest of the world the same information several times. Our chat logs are attainable through OFFICIAL ADMIN REQUEST. If it were as simple as copy & paste, you’d be chewing on your tongue right now. I attained 24 hour logs on TWO OCCASIONS in the last TWO YEARS, both of which revolved around you burning someone’s house down or stirring up an emotional woman. Yes, 2,300 members in nearly 4 years of operation and you were the center of both chat room concerns. Congratulations.
Our service provider is still working on delivering me 3 years worth of chat logs posted by your user name. Keep your fingers crossed and I’ll keep replying to the requests for copies until the logs arrive.
The privacy of our members couldn’t be any higher, any past or present administrator or Eve technician can verify this if you’re concerned and you know how to contact both. Your conspiracy theory that I’m overlooking your life comes from the fact that damn near everyone you communicate with has lost all respect for you in recent months. You are a slow learner Mr. Anderson. I cannot view your chat room antics, but I’ve had them recited to me over the phone numerous times. I’ve never viewed your private messages, but I’ve had them relayed to me in a dozen emails.
If you feel that anything in your above post still stands a reasonable shot at being taken as credible, please bring it to the surface again and we’ll revisit it. Otherwise just jumble together another illiterate reply, squeeze in a few smiley faces, and edit it twice to make sure you’ve got enough emotion jammed in.
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Steve, you'd sound even smarter if you copied and pasted tips from a pet-care website and try to sell it as your own coyote knowledge.
(Link to Tim's Knowledge of Coyote Fur)
Link to Pet Place's Cat Coat Care Tips
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Yes, the sky is falling.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 19, 2009, 08:46 PM:
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The privacy of our members couldn’t be any higher,
If this is true then why are you requesting back logs from youre chat site of conversations between a group of members. Sounds like an invasion of there privacy as well as mine. Don't you think. When you do post this info be sure to include the others in the conversation as well..
Anyway know worries here so paste away.
Oh don't forget the conversation we had one nite about you and youre friends running into the mens room to look at other peoples shit. ( Goofy bastard) LOL
And most of all don't forget the one about what you and a few buddies did with a 15-16 Yr. old girl. I don't remember the exact age but i remmber you said she was a youg run away or something alog those lines or she was from the colonies.. Not sure on the exacts but when you get the back log you can fill in the details..
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Steve, you'd sound even smarter if you copied and pasted tips from a pet-care website and try to sell it as your own coyote knowledge.
(Link to Tim's Knowledge of Coyote Fur)
Link to Pet Place's Cat Coat Care Tips
What does it matter where i got the info from? Someone asked a question and i copy and pasted the answer. No different than you quoteing from some coyote study.
And if you or others looked at the writting they would know it was'nt me. No big deal here..
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Posted by stevecriner (Member # 892) on April 19, 2009, 08:53 PM:
Jason Ill work on that.
And TA,, quote:
I'm past the looking for scat game i just go out and locate. You should try it sometime! Its alot better than spending youre day looking at shit..
I hate it we cant like give you some kind of transplant to make you realize very important stuff. You ought to just give some of your mentors a call sometime and askthem questions and listen to there answers. Im sure they would not tell you to forget the structure of the simplicity in a coyote stand and just locate. I understand the power of locating but there is more,Al won 3 world championships and I know the last two wins(the back to back ones)was won on a place that does not howl out good. But hey there was sign. The first day we hunted the world we were in a spot that we located through the week prior and located I bet 30 or more howlers in a 28 mile stretch in one night consitantly. We only kiled 6 that day and then our second half day(before 10:30) we hunted a spot that located well and only killed 3. It was a disapointment in my book as good as our stuff howled out but their are just to many factors. I think I will tell you friend to friend your cuttin yourself short everytime you go over their, or call them up and learn one tactic and just preach and use that one tactic. Your like a kid with a new pair of Nike shoes, their the best until you get your Adidas. But with all this said you will at least have a good pair of shoes,,,,,,,,,,,,for a while. Then you wear them them out.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 19, 2009, 09:11 PM:
Yes Al won three contests from what i read. I also read somewhere he was hunting behind locked gates. Hmmm That can make a big difference..
As far as calling i use what works well in the area i call, i also have a wide range of tatics that i use and i adapt to each stand. What tatics i use won't be mentioned on the webb but you can go look at some of my posts and see my results from last winter. It ain't Texas and i don't live in the area i call in so i think i did well on a personnel level and next year should only get better..
Another dead horse Jason has been beating on was about when i first joined his site and i did ask a few question on calling coyotes but they did'nt tell me anything i did'nt already know...
[ April 19, 2009, 09:16 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on April 19, 2009, 09:12 PM:
Because you requested them, dumbass.
On page 1 of this discussion, you pasted private messages typed by Jamie Olson in hopes of bailing yourself out of a tight spot. I asked you if you'd be so willing to share the chat logs attributed to your screen name. You agreed, but ignored my challenge of showing a single mistruth on my behalf.
In the request I submitted to our service provider, I noted that you wanted me to obtain them. If that has changed, please let me know. Their privacy policy requires a reason for sharing logs. I didn't request post made by other members: only those posted by TA17rem between January of 06 & January of 09.
Everyone knows I've logged into that chatroom less than 5 times in the last 12 months. I'll go back and request my logs as well.
If I wanted to look at a big pile of shit or listen to a girl scream, I'd just start another discussion like this and watch you squirm and squeel. At this point logic, dignity, reality and truth have escaped you. But hell, I guess we knew that when you praised Obama.
Posted by stevecriner (Member # 892) on April 19, 2009, 09:16 PM:
AL didnt hunt behind locked gates. Was you or anybody else that wonders this aware of the lie detector test that are given at the contest. They are real. That is one thing you cant take from Al is his wins and it wasnt just a contest it was the world TA. By the way i would'nt hunt around your house either if I was you. The coyotes are way to smart.
edit for SP
[ April 19, 2009, 09:21 PM: Message edited by: stevecriner ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2009, 09:35 PM:
Whatever, but just to be clear; I didn't request TA to edit anything? And, if I would have, and I can count on one hand, when I have, over the years, and still have several fingers left over.......I would have done it publically and above board. I do not like chat or private messages and don't allow those features on Huntmasters. Anything I have to say to somebody is an open communication and viewable by anyone, members, lurkers, even the "unknown".
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on April 19, 2009, 09:54 PM:
Awww hell, now he's editing his post to make them entirely different than they were before!?! I guess that's one way to avoid the ten-count a little longer. What is that? 9 of his 10 posts edited in this thread alone? Pathetic cowardess.
Tim, in your earliest interactions with me on the MPH chatrooms you were introduced to Wildlife Technologies, locating coyotes, hunting crosswinds and using vocals on stand. I can only imagine the additional insight/direction guys like Shaw, Geordie, Q and others gave you in those chats as you continued calling with NO kills. You know, back when you were admittedly clueless about calling and we all sincerely tried to help?
Some 2-1/2 years later, you've re-invented yourself under the wings of a couple South Dakota specialists, killed a dozen coyotes, and you've been vomiting the same regurgetation all over these forums since.
You talk about these "trips" as if they were succesful. Your entire season could be surpassed by a decent weekend for many of us Tim... and we're hunting states that don't have populations justifying government oversight or sprawling land access.
The cold hard truth is this: there is no post count, no number of forum memberships, and no quantity of autographs on your rifle that can make you a credible source for calling coyotes.
The problem with you, as I see it, is simply that you've ungratefully attacked most of the folks that have helped you along and generaly degraded the credibility of every discussion you join. You often disagree and argue with the folks who taught you the terminology: and you have no in-depth experience because it's all regurgetation of what someone else TOLD you.
The internet is full of unsuccesful callers, no issue there, but there are few folks more venemous/selfish/antagonistic and two-faced than you. You've made many folks question why they even visit these sites: when even a guy like you can access a keyboard and clog up a topic.
It'd be a fine day in predator hunting discussion forums if sites would get together and unanimously pull your plug.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on April 19, 2009, 11:05 PM:
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Paul Melching; Not my corner , I earned it , worked hard for it , and am not sharing it with anyone!
Paul
Uh,... Paul, I hate to break this to you at this late date.... But Leonard told me several years ago to go piss in the Corner... Sorry about the smell buddy
And for anyone interested in the moderating capabilities on this board. Leonard only had one Moderator. My wife can Edit a post in the Members Forum ONLY. And it has been done three times to date. Each time it was the post of an ugly old fart, who hates the 17 Remington. And of the three times we screwed with his posts ( making him love the 17 Remington ) only two people ever noticed. ( Leonard said I was way to subtitle )
As for Leonard asking anyone to Modify their posts. He will tell you if he did or didn't. Ol' Lenbo may be a cranky old fart. But I'd not only trust him at his word, I'd trust him with my life. That's something that I can say for damned few people in this world.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2009, 09:28 AM:
Wow. High praise, I hope I deserve it? Thanks Tim. LB
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 20, 2009, 08:07 PM:
Oh for Krist sake!!! I can`t take it!!!
Tim, Jesus loves you man!! The rest of us think you`re an asshole!!
You started a political thread & then proceeded to tell us that you know absolutely nothing about polotics.....WTF!!!!....asshat!!!
With every post you make you look like more of an asshat than before, your idiocy knows no bounds. You know nothing, period, yet you continue with your self important babblings. I`m astounded that anyone bothers to humor you with a reply, including myself.
ASSHAT!!!!!
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 20, 2009, 08:39 PM:
I've always thought the same about you so i guess that makes us even.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2009, 09:55 PM:
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What do Obama & TA17Rem have in common........both are clueless asshats!!!
yeah, when you put it like that, I guess I can't argue with the title of the thread? "Obama not all badd" but, is poor old TA all badd? Come on, his mama loves him, even if he can't kill a called coyote if his life depended on it. Or so I hear, from those that have hunted with him? Except, Unknown kept putting him down where he never got a shot! That's just plain mean!
Good hunting...and might as well stir the pot like everybody else? LB
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 20, 2009, 10:23 PM:
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Come on, his mama loves him
It would be arrogant & presumptuous to present that assumption as fact, I would definitely contact the woman to verify it first.
Posted by stevecriner (Member # 892) on April 21, 2009, 04:14 PM:
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Except, Unknown kept putting him down where he never got a shot! That's just plain mean!
Yah we all know the down wind side aint were to expect a coyote to come from. I feel bad for that. You know what is funny though ARshaw will fight your butt to set in the same spots.He must be ate up,huh?
Posted by coyotehunter (Member # 3282) on April 25, 2009, 02:10 PM:
"Thank you for kicking that bush for me, with the Private Message, Tim. Your professionalism is well noted.
Let's be clear here. I've spoken (literally) to Olson once and I never claimed otherwise. I have agreed and debated with him a handful of times online as early as 2005.
The extent of my dropping names with him in Kansas was this: I’ll withhold detail since we spoke confidentially. (Paraphrasing)
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On the topic of tolling with Airdales,
JRB- "If they're so good, why aren't Cal and the likes using them?"
Olson- "I've hunted with Cal… Airdales are best"
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On the topic of tolling-
JRB- "I've hunted behind two of John Henry's dogs for only one day, unsuccessfully. I have no interest in hunting in heat."
Olson- “It’s a job for me… my dogs are awesome”
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So there’s the extent of my name dropping- if he begs to differ I invite him to join us here and share. Our fundamental disagreement has always been that he paints all coyote behaviors with a wide brush. I feel some of this is unfounded by research and my limited personal experience, he feels his personal experience validates it above & beyond.
As for not knowing me, his eyes widened and he greeted me with a firm handshake when I gave my name. He specifically referenced a few points from our previous internet discussions from 07… he recollected the handler of the dogs I hunted with… so maybe the way you’re stroking him privately is clouding his memory now."
Well, hello eveyone. Seems like my name is being thrown into this arguement and I am not sure how that happened. TA, I am not to impressed for you taking a PM out of context and posting it on a public forum. I got baited into to the conversation and certainly was not aware it was going to be posted here. JRB my apoligies for that. JRB as far as me wide eyed at the mention of your name I guess I am going to tell you straight up I would not know you in a crowd. You may have me confused with someone else. I do not believe I have ever talked (at least knowingly) to you on line before. I probably did meet you in Kansas along with about 1000 other guys. As far as my dogs and Airedales being best........well I do own a very good Airedale (1) and have owned several other cur and cur/crosses. As far as other guys useing Airedales well.........most if not all dorn dogs have terrier in them and they started out as a Airedale way back in the day. You two continue with the name calling but please keep my name out of it. If you want to talk coyotes with me great but this paraphrasing and taking things out of context just makes me look bad.
Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on April 25, 2009, 04:52 PM:
JRB as far as me wide eyed at the mention of your name I guess I am going to tell you straight up I would not know you in a crowd. You may have me confused with someone else.
I don’t believe you or I would’ve known each other in a crowd back in August. Thanks to our face-to-face in Kansas, and this thread, we’d probably be “more likely” to know each other now. I recognized “Coyotehunter.net” on the banner (from discussions about listing my IPC event) and I noticed that tall lanky hat-wearing partner of yours (Brad) from his photo on NODAK where I’d just posted about coming to Kansas days before. I introduced myself accordingly. Despite Tim’s twist, this is not a popularity contest or a team-building exercise.
Hell, I’ve been telling folks you were from MN and moved to ND to do ADC work. Now I see you’re listed in WY, my mistake. I don’t *KNOW* you and never intended to suggest such on a personal level. The paraphrasing and context shifting can get out of hand very quickly in this written media.
On that OK forum Tim simply referenced your website and regurgitated some of your den locating experience as his own, that’s how you (by proxy) came into the picture. I saw in his plagiaristic writings, a parallel to the one thing you and I couldn’t agree on in Kansas. The proximity of denning pairs in the East versus the West. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that Tim had cuddled up to you (the way he does) and was trying to drive a wedge (again-typical). Had we not disagreed on this very topic, and he not referenced it in a similar context, I would've never taken the bait on his name-dropping. He struck gold with that BS.
TA is a unique character. He strives to belong somewhere, to rub elbows with those he looks up too, appear knowledgeable, and to divide us all into teams. I have no problem believing that you were baited into the private conversation and your words were slanted and tweaked to fit his agenda here. No doubt. That’s how he is.
As for all that talk about dogs, again the context is getting blurry. I don’t know shit about dogs, don’t care too, wouldn’t argue the finer points of tolling with a dumbass of TA’s caliber much less a professional. The topic was “Name Dropping” and I cited both situations in which I used someone’s name… both times (to my recollection) were in a discussion about Airedales & Tolling. My questions were honest and humble in KS, I have never been argumentative or opinionated about tolling dogs. I don’t know shit about them- so please don’t assume that my above quotes are questioning or instigating anything! You know dogs, I don’t, and we used people’s names while talking about it… that’s the extent of things. For the record: our referenced disagreement was about territorialism and denning in the EAST.
Your involvement here, Jamie, is precisely the type of situation that burns my ass about TA’s existence on these forums. He plagiarized you on the OK board, misled and baited you in private messages on your site and then threw you under the bus here on Huntmasters. He has done this EXACT thing to a dozen guys on 3 dozen forums. I believed that I was somehow the only person that saw this shit happening, but recently I’ve learned that most of the predator calling world is now on the same page. I don’t want to be the guy beating a dead horse, or sitting on a bandwagon, so I’ll just step away. For now.
Posted by coyotehunter (Member # 3282) on April 25, 2009, 05:50 PM:
Thanks, I just wanted to clarify that I was not part of this thread behind the scenes. The PM was an off-the-cuff statement that I should not have made and was not aware of the risk of it being posted in such a way. It is hard to have 100% agreement with everyone on such a diverse subject as coyotes. Never and Always just do not apply. I am reminded of that fact almost daily. Now with some people............well, you be the judge. Like my mom always says, "once they show you who they are, believe them."
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